What were the disagreements between Justice (R) Shahid Jamil Khan & EX Chief Justice Amir Bhatti?
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What were the disagreements between Justice (R) Shahid Jamil Khan & EX Chief Justice Amir Bhatti? | Inside News
What were the disagreements between Justice (R) Shahid Jamil Khan & EX Chief Justice Amir Bhatti? | Inside News
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00:00Do you think there are some problems in the court?
00:03Because you had a fight with the Chief Justice, who was your Chief Justice.
00:08I had a fight not only with Ameer Bhatti, but also with Qasim Khan.
00:13Before him, there was Shamim, he was a decent man, he didn't confront directly.
00:19But here, something is going wrong in the High Court.
00:23I used to sit for tea and also used to speak in meetings to address these things.
00:29But when you address a person who is in front of the Chief Justice or any other Helm of Affairs,
00:39whether they are our politicians, or our bureaucrats, judges, or general,
00:45when you address someone and say that you are doing this wrong, it is very difficult to digest that.
00:50What was he doing wrong? You also had a fight with him.
00:53He ruined the system to save his son-in-law.
00:57Is this correct?
00:59You might remember that there was a clip in which he took the name of Mr. Nakhvi.
01:07He was Mr. Mohammad Khan Bhatti.
01:10The principal secretary of Mr. Parvez Ilai.
01:13He was absent for a while.
01:15He suddenly appeared and made a clip.
01:18In the clip, he attributed a specific role and said that he does this and that.
01:25This is how the High Court is being managed.
01:27This is what the Chief Justice's son-in-law is doing.
01:29At the end, before the clip ended, he asked,
01:32do you have any connection with any other judge?
01:35He said, one of my witnesses is with Jameel.
01:37His son and my son are classmates.
01:39One of my witnesses is with Gareem.
01:41The clip ends there.
01:43He didn't attribute any role to me.
01:46He just said that we have a connection.
01:48That clip went viral.
01:52It was sent to my sisters, brothers and relatives.
01:55Who?
01:56People.
01:57When you played the clip,
01:59no one was commenting on it.
02:02They were forwarding it.
02:03They were forwarding it.
02:04I was also very surprised.
02:05Did you think that it was against you?
02:07Was this name given to him?
02:08I don't know.
02:09What was behind it?
02:11But I think that Shahid Kareem and I,
02:15if we had to pass an order against the government,
02:21we used to do it openly.
02:25In many cases, he was in front of me.
02:29He was a respondent.
02:30He used to try not to file cases.
02:32So probably, I am not sure,
02:35probably, this name was given to him
02:38so that the next clip could be about him.
02:41That was the time when the politics of clips and videos were taking place.
02:48You know that.
02:49That was the time.
02:50So, our country's system was running on that.
02:53There were audio leaks of breaths as well.
02:55Yes, there were breaths as well.
02:56So, maybe that whole system…
02:58I mean, the buildings were even on the hands.
03:00It's amazing.
03:02Our system was running on audio and video.
03:05After that, I also filed an order.
03:06Then, in the tea, I said to Mr. Bhatti,
03:09I said, you and me are not important.
03:14Important is Lahore High Court.
03:16Lahore High Court is being defamed.
03:20They are doing this by taking the names of its judges.
03:22You may be able to remain silent in this.
03:25I will not remain silent.
03:26The person who has made this video,
03:31and the person whose video this is,
03:33they have to come before the court
03:35and tell what is the truth in this and what is not.
03:38I said this in the tea.
03:40I said, if you don't do it, then I will take action.
03:43I will take action on this.
03:45Then, she sat in the AC meeting.
03:47On that, she stated,
03:49that we will ask the Chief.
03:51Mr. Bandyal was the Chief.
03:53Then, I got a message.
03:55Two judges came to me and told me that
03:58the Chief has refused.
04:00That now is a very sensitive time.
04:02So, you should not do anything like this.
04:03What is sensitive time?
04:04Sensitive time means,
04:05whatever you know,
04:06cases like this have been filed in the Supreme Court.
04:09There is a tension.
04:11No one understands better than you.
04:13What do you want me to do?
04:15I want to know what is that sensitive time?
04:18Now, the sensitive time of Pakistan,
04:21an article is being written in Harvard.
04:24I think after 200 years,
04:25our next generation will also be going through a sensitive time.
04:28They will also be going through a sensitive time.
04:30Pakistan has never come out of a sensitive time.
04:33But, this fear is also there.
04:34People sitting in important places,
04:36when they become victims of this fear,
04:37that this is a difficult time,
04:39this is a sensitive time,
04:40just so that there is inaction.
04:42We should not do anything.
04:43This is the reason.
04:45These are the things that I have written in this article.
04:48That you are living your life in a ring.
05:01You will not react for any reason.
05:05You will not call a spade a spade.
05:08You will not speak the truth.
05:09The biggest illusion of our country is that
05:12we lie from morning till evening.
05:16Top to bottom.
05:18And we are not ready to speak the truth about anything.
05:22It is true that
05:25to take the decisions of our choice,
05:27benches are fixed.
05:29Cases are fixed in front of benches.
05:30Benches are made like this.
05:32Look, Kashif Bhai,
05:35one democracy,
05:38if there is a focal point in our constitution,
05:43which we see,
05:44which the whole constitution revolves around,
05:46that is democracy.
05:48And through democracy,
05:50the state,
05:51which has three pillars,
05:53Judiciary, Executive and Legislature.
05:55This is our constitution.
05:57Now how will these three pillars work?
06:00Until you make institutions in these three pillars.
06:04Judiciary has to be an institution.
06:07Never?
06:08I doubt.
06:09Then why do you doubt?
06:11Institution is not because the constitution says
06:14High Court is the judges and Chief Justice of the High Court.
06:18When a High Court decision comes,
06:21then they will sit in the High Court and make its rules.
06:25The constitution has given this power.
06:27In those rules,
06:29the policy decision will be made by the High Court.
06:31Its execution will be done by the AC,
06:35Administrative Committee through Chief Justice.
06:37This is our system.
06:39Here, all the institutions in our country,
06:43with the arrival of its head,
06:47the complexion of the whole institution changes.
06:50One judge takes it to another.
06:52One Chief Justice comes,
06:54scraps everything and throws it away.
06:57He brings a new policy.
06:59When he goes,
07:00in every department,
07:02I am not just talking about Judiciary.
07:04But specifically Judiciary,
07:06because you are active with it.
07:08Now the Chiefs who come here,
07:10they come and run it like this.
07:13That is, the bench,
07:15I personally,
07:18as a lawyer,
07:20now I am not a judge,
07:22my view is that practice and procedure,
07:25this is against the independence of Judiciary.
07:28This is my view.
07:30Though the Supreme Court has offered,
07:32but I, as a lawyer,
07:34How is it against?
07:35First they take the decision from one Chief Justice,
07:37and give it to three people.
07:39This decision should have been made
07:41by the Supreme Court,
07:43the full court,
07:46how to structure the discretion of the Chief Justice.
07:50No outside power can do it.
07:52No outside power can do it.
07:54This is my interpretation in the Constitution.