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綜觀當下的割裂及孤寂,想要做一系列以以上為題的訪談記錄。

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最後發表的篇章必會匿名,不帶任何個人及或組織的名字或連繫。訪談的發表將獨立成章,現階段暫未有將不同訪談剪輯成 feature 的想像。所有篇章將以匿名 的形式在網上公開,亦沒有籌辦任何實體放映的想像。如有人打算以她們籌辦任何放映活動,將以智識共享4.0的態度歡迎取用。但所有知情人士必須承諾不以任何形式向任何人士提及或表達所有在這計劃中的人或組織的身份或名字。

這計劃並無特定完成的時間點或受訪人數量的考慮。如有曾受訪者有興趣的話,十分希望會有曾受訪者加入而組成更大或更擴展性的持續。

想做這件事的目的只是想要摸索那,互相看(聽)見、分隔但連結、獨而不孤,的感覺。並無進一步具體組織或推進任何具體論述的想像。

Stayed‧Lived on‧What's up

Reviewing the current divisioning and loneliness, we would like to do a series of interviews on the above topic.

Hoping to keep the original sound and taste of the interviews, the contents will be published without unnecessary trimming. The contents to be published will definitely be agreed by the interviewee. The final decision on the form of publication will be in accordance with the inclination of the interviewee. Video, audio, text, image blur/covering/substitution, voice change, text only only, pseudonym/nameless, are all acceptable.

The finalized publication will be anonymous and would not carry any connections to any individual or organization. The interviews will be published individually by themselves, editing the interviews the different interviews into a feature film has not been considered for the time being. All the interviews will be published online anonymosly and there is no plan to organize any in-person screening. If people would like to use them to organize any screening activities, it will be welcomed in the attitude of CC BY 4.0. But all people who had knowledge of them must promise not to mention and/or reveal the identities or names of the people and/or organizations involved in this project in any form to any person.

There is no consideration on a specific completion time and/or numbers of interviewees of this project. If any interviewee should be interested, we very much hope that there would be people who have been interviewed to join us to form a bigger and/or a more extended continuation.

The aim of this is just the wish to try out and find that feeling of; mutual understanding (listening), seperated but connected, alone but not alone. There is not considerations of any further organizing and/or furthering of any specific discourse and/or rhetoric.
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00:00:30主要都係圍繞住呢幾年落黎香港人嗰啲去留或者所謂流散或者
00:00:50繼續毀身於此嘅時候嗰啲狀態佢了解啦
00:00:54如果冇問題就正式進入個討論啦
00:00:58咁首先第一部分呢就喺呢三四年喇
00:01:05我諗係呢段時間落黎
00:01:07有冇曾經出現過呢啲問題呢
00:01:10咁首先第一部分呢就喺呢三四年喇
00:01:17我諗係呢段時間落黎
00:01:19有冇曾經考慮過離開香港啦
00:01:23如果有嘅話又或者如果冇嘅話
00:01:29當時考慮咗嘅範圍或者考慮咗嘅具體仔細嘅討論會係點呢
00:01:39我覺得我自己由最初幾肯定唔會走
00:01:50到近期我未去到一個180度嘅轉變話我而家走呀咁樣
00:01:58但係近期會多咗啲猶豫嘅
00:02:04咁大概個諗法就會係譬如話
00:02:11一九年嘅時候喺社會運動嗰個處境裏面
00:02:15我自己本身燃鍋急唔心嘅
00:02:18咁所以見到身邊嘅朋友有啲好趕急咁樣離開啦
00:02:26有啲亦都相信係帶住有好多唔同嘅情緒諗法呀
00:02:32去到某啲地方適途好嘅時候報個平安嘅時候
00:02:37先至知道嗰啲朋友離開咗啦
00:02:41咁當刻我對我自己嘅一啲諗法嚟講就係
00:02:46第一即係走嗰個點解係自己啫係咪
00:02:51真正嘅問題似乎係喺啲有權力嘅部分地方政府出咗啲問題
00:02:59唔係我出咗問題啦
00:03:01走嗰個都唔應該係我啦
00:03:03或者我更甚嘅仲有兩個小小嘅因素就係
00:03:08第一畢竟過往喺一啲公民社會上面嘅活躍或者參與裏面嚟講
00:03:16雖然唔叫成功啦
00:03:19咁但係有啲嘢都叫做付出過咁樣
00:03:23咁覺得呢個地方係屬於自己
00:03:28所以變咗嗰個諗法就係
00:03:32即使我哋冇辦法逆轉到
00:03:36或者即使我哋一路眼見一九二零二一咁樣
00:03:42開始陸陸續續一啲公民社會有一個好大嘅變化
00:03:47解散啊零散化啊或者唔活躍啊等等嘅嗰啲嘅趨勢一路見到都好啦
00:03:55咁第一就係對我嗰陣時嗰個諗法都仍然係好堅定唔走嘅情況
00:04:04就係第一曾經都叫做
00:04:08喺呢個範圍裏面叫做係付出過啲
00:04:14咁所以即使知道嗰個大環境轉差都好
00:04:20我唔可以話佢都話作為一個見證咁樣嘅咁嘅講法
00:04:26但係我自己覺得黑惡即使嗰個地方差都好
00:04:32其實我都需要去面對或者需要去去承受
00:04:37有少少咁樣嘅諗法之餘
00:04:40咁另外一種狀況就係我估我都唔諱言嘅
00:04:46就係過往我做好多地方地區嘅工作街坊嘅工作
00:04:51呢啲地區工作街坊嘅工作
00:04:54亦都令到我會去諗嘅另外一樣嘢就係
00:04:58即係一個階級同資本嘅問題
00:05:01即係話如果你有多啲嘅無論係現金嘅資本
00:05:06金錢上面嘅資本或者文化上面嘅資本
00:05:09你嘅流動一定係會畀一啲比較基層嘅街坊係回答
00:05:16咁你都曾經同一班即係比較基層嘅朋友共事過
00:05:22即係好老實講如果要去數或者要去計咁樣
00:05:33其實你可以走到嘅能動性一定係畀一啲基層街坊更大
00:05:43咁喺咁嘅情況之下就係諗
00:05:46咁都係要即使真係要轉差或者甚至乎去到一種環境好差
00:05:54對我嚟講我第一個諗法都唔係走
00:05:58而係都真係想留喺度
00:06:03唔知有冇咁嘅一日亦都唔知有冇咁嘅機會
00:06:06即係唔跳轉有人要去即係嚟搵我話要幫手嘅時候
00:06:12咁我都希望我個人都仲喺度
00:06:16你話你話幫如果啲太多啲咩都好
00:06:20咁你話喺情感上嘅支援
00:06:23少少都總好過要透過WhatsApp或者電話
00:06:27或者一啲視像通訊咁去處理
00:06:31咁種種呢啲嘅因素暫時先
00:06:36即係後一九嘅情況之下
00:06:39其實我都幾堅定就係唔想走
00:06:47或者亦都唔會考慮走
00:06:50咁直到幾時呢直至到開始
00:06:54我嘅Partner就做咗一啲嘅準備功夫
00:07:03包括捉返啲咩BNO
00:07:08嘗試去了解嗰啲離岸戶口係點樣運作
00:07:17我當時都仲係好唔想去處理
00:07:22或者好唔想去做類似嘅嘢
00:07:26咁有啲類似叫做虛應故事
00:07:29即係我Partner會叫我做十樣嘢
00:07:32可能我做咗一兩樣
00:07:34但係有啲Progress
00:07:36但係嗰啲又冇新嘅嘢
00:07:38舉個例咁樣
00:07:39當一刻我記得咁上下時間
00:07:42同時間我第一我冇去跟一窩蜂咁樣去捉嗰個所謂BNO
00:07:50第二就真係咁啱得咁橋
00:07:53我嘅Passport係到咗期
00:07:57咁因為按程序
00:07:59你先搞個Passport再處理BNO
00:08:02咁跟住我就即係虛應故事
00:08:05所以十步做一步嘅話
00:08:07我就搞返個Passport
00:08:09但係做BNO嗰班又全部都冇理過佢
00:08:13或者佢叫我影相咁樣
00:08:15咁我就影相
00:08:16影完相就跌入牢牌睇
00:08:20所謂十步做一步
00:08:23咁我又冇乜錢
00:08:25咁即係搞乜嘢嚟過去戶口
00:08:29當時對我嚟講
00:08:31即係剛才提嘅
00:08:33感情以至到實務上面
00:08:37都係冇諗過做
00:08:42咁又直至到幾時
00:08:45即係人有三衰六旺咁樣
00:08:51咁有段時間我喺香港就失業
00:08:56冇工作做
00:09:01再配合埋身體上又有啲唔舒服
00:09:05咁打算休養一段時間
00:09:08咁於是就起身咗另外一個討論
00:09:12喂你反正都係錯
00:09:15喺香港又係錯
00:09:17過到去邊度somewhere都好多係錯
00:09:21咁不如你做作為先頭部隊
00:09:25你飛咗過去先
00:09:27我Partner就話提供哂所有資金
00:09:31你去摸咗條路
00:09:33咁然之後呢
00:09:35佢認為合適嘅話
00:09:37就後招人
00:09:40咁我對呢一個咁樣嘅說法
00:09:44甚至會直頭係反感
00:09:47即係我自己覺得
00:09:49喺咁嘅社會環境社會氣氛
00:09:52已經夠唔理想
00:09:55咁本來就應該係繼續
00:09:59相遇已沒
00:10:02咁應該係更加
00:10:04即係大家會再close啲
00:10:08大家會再互相support多啲
00:10:11咁飛咗去咁即係點呢
00:10:15咁對我嚟講
00:10:16我都唔係好接受到呢啲咁嘅諗法
00:10:21或者講法
00:10:24咁跟住
00:10:27再遲啲呢個已經係差唔多去到
00:10:30二二二三咁上下
00:10:34去到二二二三嘅時候
00:10:37就其實覺得有啲
00:10:40點講呢
00:10:42有少少set嘅
00:10:45set嘅意思係乜呢
00:10:47即係話我本身我都本來
00:10:50就算本地logo都好啦
00:10:52我都唔算一啲
00:10:54好social或者對一啲朋友
00:10:57好緊密一定要keep住update嗰種狀況
00:11:00我都唔係嘅
00:11:03咁但係二二二三嗰段時間
00:11:05即係嗰種離散感係一種好強
00:11:10知道好多朋友走咗
00:11:13但係睇上我
00:11:14我感覺到就係嗰段時間開始
00:11:20就係陸陸續續有朋友
00:11:23喺唔同地方嘅settle上面
00:11:27遇到啲阻滯
00:11:31或者有一啲困難
00:11:33至少冇佢心目中所想嘅咁如意先
00:11:38但係睇上我嘅理解就係
00:11:40即係唔係一個短暫嘅情緒
00:11:42一去到話唔適應嗰種
00:11:45我估有啲部分嘅朋友已經去到
00:11:47settle咗年幾兩年咁樣
00:11:50嗰啲嘅狀況
00:11:52咁而我都幾深信嗰種嘅
00:11:56唔如意或者甚至乎唔暢順
00:12:00嘅嗰種狀況係真係非常之真實
00:12:05咁我嗰刻就即係點講呢
00:12:09即係即係其實我都有嗰種量難
00:12:12即係一種就係都好關心
00:12:15咁點呀咁咁有冇嘢可以
00:12:18雖然離開好遠嘅地方
00:12:20有冇嘢可以幫下手呀咁
00:12:24即係雖然都知道係純粹係真係虛寒文言
00:12:27我實質以嘢幫手
00:12:29但係即係方面又係咁
00:12:31即係話我想關顧下有啲朋友
00:12:33都真係遇到或多或少嘅阻滯
00:12:37或者困難嘅時候
00:12:38咁我呢度有冇嘢可以傾傾下
00:12:43講下甚下咩都好呀咁樣
00:12:45咁咁呢個係第一種諗法
00:12:47但係又第二種諗法
00:12:50又又又令到我好detached
00:12:55嘅就係即係會咁
00:12:57其實人哋嗰種狀況
00:13:00你又有時我知道有啲嘢真係好
00:13:03好好好subtle
00:13:05咁其實你又唔係真係咁咁掌握
00:13:08又咁咁了解咗喎咁樣
00:13:11咁所以其實我亦都冇
00:13:14即係有猶豫過一輪
00:13:16即係亦都冇好主動擔當呢啲所謂
00:13:19即係嘗試去聯絡人
00:13:22有冇嘢要幫手梳理下呢啲咁嘅角色
00:13:26即係嗰種嗰種兩難就係咁
00:13:28但係就知道
00:13:30例如喺啲社交媒體見到好咁樣
00:13:34咁可能都係一啲即係處一粒兩句呀
00:13:39放心啲呀慢慢嚟呀咁樣
00:13:44咁就咁就
00:13:51咁我又會令到我又諗
00:13:56諗緊第二樣嘢就話
00:13:58如果當其時我選擇咗
00:14:00即係同
00:14:04大趨勢咁樣一齊去
00:14:07去去去走去移民嘅時候
00:14:11咁樣其實我又會唔會
00:14:13喺嗰啲即係support朋友呀
00:14:17或者係至少係
00:14:23處一粒呀
00:14:25咁樣又會有多
00:14:27多少少嘅一啲空間或者身位呢
00:14:32咁樣閃過下
00:14:34但係又冇冇好認真嘅
00:14:37當然啦即係其實可能
00:14:39即係而家咁樣樣
00:14:41而家2024嘅時候又望返轉頭
00:14:44話唔定你嗰一刻選擇就飛過去
00:14:46你仲差過仲大鑊過啲朋友都未定呀
00:14:50咁樣唔知啦
00:14:54喺呢度我想了解多少少先
00:14:56就係你你可唔可以有冇可能
00:14:58比較仔細啲描述下
00:15:00當時你睇到喺
00:15:02其他地方嘅朋友
00:15:04佢哋遇到嗰啲困難
00:15:06大概會係啲咩範圍
00:15:08係啲政府政策啦
00:15:10但係具體生活啦
00:15:12定係社群啦個人層面
00:15:14但係可唔可以描述多少少
00:15:16嗰啲困難
00:15:18咁真係
00:15:20我自己就係分幾集嘅
00:15:24完全全全係
00:15:26即係社交媒體
00:15:28特別係facebook嗰啲
00:15:30其實有啲朋友都講
00:15:32
00:15:34特別
00:15:36唔願意
00:15:38或者好down好dark嘅時候
00:15:40我都唔會出嗰啲post
00:15:42出嗰啲post都
00:15:44畀我decent
00:15:46或者係相對
00:15:48比較好
00:15:50一出嚟嘅時候
00:15:52就會有十幾廿個like
00:15:54睇到啲like都係開心嘅
00:15:56即係有一種
00:15:58真係嗰種
00:16:00嗰種裏面
00:16:02即係點講呢
00:16:04真係要去到
00:16:06相對private嘅
00:16:08但係我就唔係
00:16:10one to one
00:16:12其中有個人
00:16:14既係facebook
00:16:16post咗啲好開心嘅嘢
00:16:18但係都會係
00:16:20比較close嘅群組
00:16:22whatsapp裏面都講
00:16:24你估我真係咁開心咩
00:16:26可能
00:16:28有啲一句半句
00:16:30咁呢啲朋友就係
00:16:32其實感覺上相對熟
00:16:34又知道佢
00:16:36有啲事
00:16:38但係佢過咗去係點
00:16:40你又
00:16:42幫到啲乜嘢或者啲點
00:16:44你知道佢平時以往
00:16:46可能係香港係好能幹嘅
00:16:48好開朗嘅
00:16:50好積極嘅
00:16:52佢過到去都
00:16:54有好多唔同嘅嘢
00:16:56咁於是你就會諗
00:16:58關心下佢
00:17:00定係點
00:17:02呢個又係重複
00:17:04頭先嗰啲唔同形式嘅友誼
00:17:06呢種一種
00:17:08咁有另外一種
00:17:10就真係相對係
00:17:12好experience嘅
00:17:14知道都大鑊㗎啦
00:17:16嗰條界線就直頭係
00:17:18喺facebook都
00:17:20新都書都攞曬嘅
00:17:22
00:17:24唔如意嘅
00:17:26可以包括
00:17:28工作
00:17:30或者經濟狀態
00:17:32但係普遍嚟講呢啲都
00:17:34相對
00:17:36易處理嘅
00:17:38有時係嗰種
00:17:40好強嘅孤獨感
00:17:42有時
00:17:44就會覺得嗰種好
00:17:46強嘅
00:17:48人喺嗰邊
00:17:50日日夜夜都追住
00:17:52香港嘅新聞電視
00:17:54但係又
00:17:56又唔係高興嘅
00:17:58又唔係開心嘅
00:18:00就會令到佢自己
00:18:02喺嗰邊嘅狀況又更加
00:18:04down
00:18:06因為事實上大家都明
00:18:0821到24
00:18:10基本上冇乜
00:18:12好過或者開心過嘅
00:18:14所以如果佢
00:18:16繼續
00:18:18又唔想甩
00:18:20但係又
00:18:22不斷咁
00:18:24自己睇啲唔開心嘅嘢
00:18:26就會係咁
00:18:28所以就
00:18:30呢啲就
00:18:32試下
00:18:34會唔會真係做多啲啲
00:18:36除咗facebook
00:18:38至少回起上嚟嘅時候
00:18:40會回帶
00:18:42短啲啲嘢之外
00:18:44或者真係知道佢都仲未
00:18:46接到香港嘅電話嘅
00:18:48即係講多少少
00:18:50
00:18:52就唔夠做嘅都
00:18:54都真係第二啲
00:18:56咁但係我哋都未去到
00:18:58未去到
00:19:00不如搞個時間試著下
00:19:02或者真係
00:19:04真係
00:19:06傾幾句
00:19:08咁又
00:19:10因為頭先嗰啲考慮
00:19:12去到呢度就停咗
00:19:14冇成日做呢啲
00:19:18但係都有啲
00:19:20直接嘅
00:19:22通訊嘅
00:19:24有嘅
00:19:34我估
00:19:36我真係敢講嘅
00:19:38我唔會
00:19:40嗰啲好緊密
00:19:42即係正常
00:19:44EVEN喺香港都唔會
00:19:46何況去咗外國嘅朋友
00:19:48即係好緊密嘅
00:19:50咁所以可能我
00:19:52嗰種寄遠
00:19:54扯近
00:19:56或者調返轉
00:19:58有一段距離
00:20:00嘅情況之下
00:20:02可能我
00:20:04能夠
00:20:06
00:20:10我即係咁樣講
00:20:12我唔係
00:20:14大部分人一啲好close嘅朋友
00:20:16而我都會
00:20:18出下聲或者
00:20:20say hi 或者畀個like
00:20:22咁樣樣對
00:20:24佢哋嚟講係一個
00:20:26我唔知道
00:20:28即係
00:20:30少少介乎係
00:20:32conversation同埋外一陣嘅
00:20:34中間嘅嗰啲位置
00:20:36而唔令到佢會覺得
00:20:38容易spot到
00:20:40係呀係呀
00:20:42咁所以我就會覺得
00:20:44可能真係有啲位置
00:20:46但係又
00:20:48又講得唔深入
00:20:50又講得唔多
00:20:52或者我嗰種support
00:20:54都可能係
00:20:56由幾粒字到
00:20:58三十零四十字
00:21:00即係咁樣嘅
00:21:02狀態
00:21:04係呀係呀
00:21:06
00:21:08不過呢個
00:21:10點講呢個
00:21:12呢個真係好複雜嘅
00:21:14即係如果
00:21:16越靠近
00:21:18一九年嘅時候
00:21:20就講嗰種
00:21:22叫做
00:21:24國際線
00:21:26有啲朋友走都走得
00:21:28唔安樂或者去到
00:21:30其他地方
00:21:32覺得係一定
00:21:34係要做返啲嘢
00:21:36因為人都已經走咗
00:21:38咁要做返啲嘢
00:21:40去幫返香港
00:21:42跟住
00:21:44就有啲
00:21:46
00:21:48唔同嘅極端
00:21:50有啲就話即係會不斷咁
00:21:52講香港講香港但係因為
00:21:54個人本身就
00:21:56唔在嘅時候可能有啲嘢係
00:21:58唔判或者嗰種
00:22:00即係講嘅內容裏面
00:22:02可能有啲嘢都唔係好準確
00:22:04但係有啲都真係知道係關心
00:22:06特別我
00:22:08
00:22:10我appreciate
00:22:12但係我又覺得個感覺
00:22:14又好
00:22:16令到自己唔安樂
00:22:18平時都有啲事件
00:22:20應該係
00:22:22嚟自社工
00:22:24註冊局
00:22:26好粗暴嘅情況之下
00:22:28就改動社工註冊局
00:22:30嘅一啲條例
00:22:32二讀三讀
00:22:34咁我
00:22:36估量嘅即係香港
00:22:38嘅大部分嘅
00:22:40社工
00:22:42朋友應該
00:22:44都覺得件事係好唔妥
00:22:46或者條戲都係好唔順
00:22:48咁但係
00:22:50第一
00:22:52即係
00:22:54呢件事或多或少都
00:22:56相信係影響緊自己嘅同事
00:22:58亦都感覺到嗰種好
00:23:00強嘅
00:23:02無力啦因為政府係一種
00:23:04咁強勢嘅
00:23:06情況之下要去處理
00:23:08條條例
00:23:10情況之下咁樣
00:23:12香港反而
00:23:14係喺本地裏面係
00:23:16淨到不得了
00:23:18包括
00:23:20包括代議士
00:23:22即係社工界嘅代議士
00:23:24喺好多重要嘅場合
00:23:26都係唔夠膽講嘢
00:23:28咁但係
00:23:30但係就得意嘅
00:23:32地方就係近期
00:23:34就係知道有
00:23:36一啲移居
00:23:38咗喺外地
00:23:40嘅朋友發起一啲
00:23:42聲明同聯署
00:23:44就要畀返
00:23:46即係將要
00:23:48審議呢啲草案嘢
00:23:50唔同嘅立法會議員
00:23:52去知呢件事係
00:23:54有幾唔錯
00:23:56有幾大鑊嘅
00:23:58
00:24:00我見到
00:24:02即係突然間又見到
00:24:04好多喺外國
00:24:06過咗外國嘅
00:24:08朋友突然間即係多咗
00:24:10即係對香港
00:24:12咁關心啦多咗啲
00:24:14聯繫啦又
00:24:16組織緊一啲嘅東西
00:24:18咁反而
00:24:20我自己都覺得真係
00:24:24真係好
00:24:26
00:24:28令到自己嘅情緒up and down
00:24:30嗰個情況就
00:24:32係第一即係香港
00:24:34真係條件唔順之外
00:24:36好似真係覺得唔多嘢
00:24:38可以做到咁
00:24:40咁第二就係
00:24:42嘩係喎過咗外國嘅朋友
00:24:44可以再良薄啲
00:24:46講其實本身都唔係
00:24:48已經唔係好關佢事嘅
00:24:50佢都幫手出下聲喎
00:24:52咁我哋係咪又要
00:24:54做啲嘢呢
00:24:56即係呢啲
00:24:58有好多呢啲
00:25:00令到自己都係
00:25:02up and down
00:25:04嘅情緒
00:25:06我只能夠講
00:25:08就係有啲情緒
00:25:10咦如果
00:25:12香港
00:25:14如果佢之前離開咗
00:25:16你會唔會係其中一個呢
00:25:18會唔會投入係呢啲
00:25:20即係所謂聲援香港
00:25:22我估計會
00:25:24我估計會
00:25:28咁所以
00:25:30係囉
00:25:32頭先都講緊話
00:25:34即係近年
00:25:36即係我估都係配合住
00:25:38自己嘅啲生活狀態
00:25:40即係自己嘅生活狀態
00:25:42近期啲
00:25:44都真係你當係
00:25:46二四嘅打後
00:25:48好粗暴
00:25:50又係唔算太
00:25:52如意
00:25:54唔算太
00:25:56暢順
00:25:58咁又見到
00:26:00即係當然
00:26:02即係如果
00:26:04逐個逐個朋友傾
00:26:06咁樣樣咁我知道仍然有啲
00:26:08朋友都係唔係好如意
00:26:10或者仍然嘅困難
00:26:12都未如意
00:26:14完全係解決
00:26:16或者settle
00:26:18咁但係又調返轉講
00:26:20咁係喎又
00:26:22好具體喎
00:26:24真係做到啲嘢喎
00:26:26或者有啲
00:26:28重要時節
00:26:30咁樣樣有啲地方都仲係會
00:26:32keep住有
00:26:34集會喎
00:26:3623條
00:26:38我估香港
00:26:40最大部分嘅人
00:26:42都會表示歡迎
00:26:44喺咁嘅情況之下
00:26:46唔會有
00:26:48另外嘅聲音嘅情況之下
00:26:50咁就調返轉
00:26:523月23號
00:26:54咁就雪清
00:26:56世界各地都
00:26:58去訪23號
00:27:00咁好似又
00:27:02又真係好似係咪
00:27:04人喺外面嘅情況之下
00:27:06個空間係咪真係
00:27:08真係叫做
00:27:10大咗啲呢
00:27:14咁其實都會有諗呢啲問題
00:27:22咁呢樣嘢
00:27:24足唔足以trigger你而家
00:27:26再去思考呢個
00:27:28去留嘅問題
00:27:30佢係一種
00:27:34牽引你
00:27:36去外面嘅
00:27:38其中一種
00:27:40拉力
00:27:42咁但係呢種拉力如果純粹
00:27:44咁講
00:27:46又未
00:27:48足以
00:27:50令到我
00:27:52完全180度
00:27:54轉變
00:27:56咁我聽日就
00:27:58搞唔同形式嘅
00:28:00嘅移民
00:28:02又未去到
00:28:04咁樣
00:28:06佢係一種
00:28:08點講呢
00:28:10當然
00:28:12佢仲未去到好具體嘅拉力
00:28:14要我走
00:28:16但係佢係有少少
00:28:18點講呢
00:28:20佢又存在
00:28:22即係會間中會撩下你
00:28:24撩下你
00:28:26令你會留意到
00:28:28令你又會去
00:28:30以為好擺低咗嘅嗰啲問題
00:28:32突然間又去到思考下
00:28:34咁都係囉
00:28:36即係都係
00:28:38嗰種up and down
00:28:44ok
00:28:46其實有個位呢
00:28:48再早啲嘅
00:28:50你睇下你上唔上位
00:28:52適唔適合回應
00:28:54因為早啲嘅時候你提過好多
00:28:56似乎有好多都係因為你
00:28:58你partner都曾經提出過
00:29:02關於離開嘅考慮
00:29:04咁你用咗個方法去
00:29:06拖延戰術
00:29:08我理解係
00:29:10咁但係
00:29:12我唔係想
00:29:14暫時未進入嗰啲討論之前
00:29:16會唔會
00:29:18我想有冇機會可以了解
00:29:20你partner想
00:29:22離開嘅
00:29:24令佢想離開嘅動力
00:29:26或者會係一啲咩因素
00:29:28佢嘅考慮係點
00:29:30可唔可以分享下呢部分
00:29:32我估都係
00:29:34政治上嘅空間
00:29:36同埋
00:29:40作為佢一種
00:29:44被政府需要
00:29:46重點整治嘅行業之一
00:29:48嘅一種狀況
00:29:50佢會感覺到工作氣氛
00:29:52都會轉差
00:29:54喺咁嘅
00:29:56情況之下
00:29:58佢係有
00:30:00一個幾大嘅
00:30:04嘅諗法其實真係
00:30:08會離開香港
00:30:12不過之後又遇到
00:30:14有其他嘅一啲狀況
00:30:16所以佢
00:30:18就講緊
00:30:20點講呢
00:30:22心態或者精神上
00:30:24其實佢哋一路都係
00:30:26望住我
00:30:28但係因為有種種嘅
00:30:30基本
00:30:32屋企情況
00:30:34等等
00:30:36你個腳仍然
00:30:38都冇辦法離開香港
00:30:44我唔理解
00:30:46多啲都係
00:30:48家庭嘅需要
00:30:50
00:30:52嗰個家庭嗰個因素
00:30:54其實係其中一個會
00:30:56令到佢考慮嘅一個
00:30:58你話被迫
00:31:00又好或者要留喺香港
00:31:02處理角色培養嘅事
00:31:04呢個因素係
00:31:06佔大多數
00:31:08如果唔係佢
00:31:10佢應該
00:31:12比個更
00:31:14佢已經飛走咗
00:31:16其實你哋
00:31:18兩位之間有冇
00:31:20發生過啲具體嘅討論
00:31:22或者嗰啲
00:31:24雙方嘅論點
00:31:26係點
00:31:28走同唔走
00:31:30其實
00:31:32我又覺得未去到論點
00:31:34即係我估
00:31:36我估大家對現時嘅
00:31:38香港有一定嘅觀察
00:31:40咁其實嗰種
00:31:42其實
00:31:44我只能夠咁講
00:31:46走同唔走都有佢
00:31:48合理性
00:31:50我哋冇喺呢啲地方
00:31:52裏面搞錢
00:31:54或者其實佢都知道
00:31:56個總體嗰個
00:31:58取向係想嘗試
00:32:00盡量留低
00:32:02所以絕對唔係喺呢啲
00:32:04環節裏面
00:32:06而係好快就進入咗
00:32:08角色培養嘅嗰啲
00:32:10我係咪都要咁講呢
00:32:12嗰啲叫策略考慮
00:32:14頭先嗰啲
00:32:16話掉咗我過去
00:32:18人質先
00:32:20遲啲先至過嚟
00:32:22淨係點
00:32:24咁嗰啲
00:32:26有時就
00:32:28真係當
00:32:30
00:32:32點講呢
00:32:34我哋冇因為嗰啲嘢
00:32:36好大嘅拗調
00:32:38因為純粹
00:32:40純粹策略嘅部分
00:32:42好難講話邊個優勝
00:32:44但係有啲嘢
00:32:46聽落就
00:32:48少少啞耳
00:32:50或者會唔高興
00:32:52咁我哋都有表達
00:32:54
00:32:56咁有啲
00:32:58其實因為呢個都
00:33:00相對於喺其他生活
00:33:02條件討論嚟講
00:33:04相對又唔係一啲
00:33:06唔係一啲好
00:33:08慢慢
00:33:10時間
00:33:12摸到
00:33:14取向
00:33:16
00:33:18
00:33:20好似
00:33:22放低
00:33:24冇拼
00:33:26因為都
00:33:28真係都不少嘅
00:33:30有啲身邊嘅朋友
00:33:32當然
00:33:34兩種極端都有
00:33:36有啲朋友
00:33:38一路話唔走唔走
00:33:40可能都因為
00:33:42近期嘅一啲變化
00:33:44咁突然間就話
00:33:46喂食飯啦
00:33:48我路易走
00:33:50有嘅
00:33:52又有啲種嘅
00:33:54但係又調返轉
00:33:56又見到
00:33:58又另一啲朋友
00:34:00話走話走話走
00:34:02準備好曬
00:34:04撳機票
00:34:06
00:34:08遇到各式各樣嘅
00:34:10狀況
00:34:12咁樣
00:34:14暫時要將嗰個計劃推遲
00:34:16或者甚至要
00:34:18各自嘅都有
00:34:20我覺得呢啲就要去到
00:34:22真係好
00:34:24會去到
00:34:26好personal
00:34:28真係
00:34:30佢願意同你講嘅形容
00:34:32唔知佢每一刻嗰個諗法
00:34:34或者考慮點解佢有咁大變化
00:34:36咁呢個就真係要
00:34:38好深入咁去傾
00:34:40但係我想講
00:34:44近排
00:34:46真係都算係
00:34:48近排我又
00:34:50又sense到呢啲
00:34:52180度變嘅
00:34:54呢啲case
00:34:56喺我身邊
00:34:58就多咗嘅
00:35:02
00:35:04的確其實呢啲
00:35:06決定或者思考都真係好personal
00:35:08真係好個人
00:35:10因為每個人
00:35:12無論自己諗法或者背負住
00:35:14嘅需要考慮嘅東西都唔同
00:35:16好難
00:35:18咁即使講啲所謂
00:35:20180度我覺得
00:35:22咁無嘢咁個時代
00:35:24即係好多事情
00:35:26一路發生緊一路變緊
00:35:28咁人都係生活
00:35:30一個時代裏面
00:35:32好難完全
00:35:34唔受周圍嘅影響
00:35:36亦都唔係咁樣嘅人
00:35:38
00:35:40唔同嘅時候需要考慮
00:35:42或者發生嘅嘢
00:35:44令你要再考慮
00:35:46我覺得呢啲又唔係一啲
00:35:48好咩嘅事情
00:35:50其實
00:35:52我唔知可唔可以咁樣歸類
00:35:54我接觸嘅
00:35:56個案
00:35:58唔可以
00:36:00
00:36:02量到有一種
00:36:04判斷
00:36:06但我自己個觀感
00:36:08
00:36:10又係用
00:36:12推力拉力去做
00:36:14判斷
00:36:16其實
00:36:18心態上
00:36:20嚟到今天嚟講
00:36:22依然係有好多人好想走
00:36:24能夠令到佢
00:36:26180度變嘅
00:36:28嗰啲可能係有啲
00:36:30比較
00:36:32條件性
00:36:34經濟性或者物質性
00:36:36居多
00:36:38真係行唔通
00:36:40咁樣嘅情況
00:36:42而樓嘅狀況
00:36:44用我咁樣講
00:36:46可能係被迫地
00:36:48樓低
00:36:50但係又調跟住
00:36:52原本嗰種好
00:36:54好唔想走
00:36:56突然間好想走
00:36:58就好明顯係
00:37:00一種社會環境
00:37:02轉變氣氛
00:37:04嘅一啲因素
00:37:06又令到佢
00:37:08原本都覺得
00:37:10仲可以留喺度
00:37:12而家已經
00:37:14去到頂上
00:37:16真係要走
00:37:18嘅情況
00:37:20但係我有少少咁嘅觀察
00:37:22即係純粹力
00:37:24都係分好多唔同嘅
00:37:26一種嘅情況
00:37:28分會唔會好操作
00:37:30但係其實可能
00:37:32歸根究底
00:37:34唔需要顧及
00:37:36條件考慮
00:37:38其實都係啲人
00:37:40傾向
00:37:42簡單嚟講啲現實問題
00:37:44如果解決到嘅話
00:37:46都係傾向地
00:37:48離開
00:37:52你一路返去嘅時候
00:37:54嗰啲
00:37:56講法基本上
00:37:58或多或少
00:38:00包括咗第二部分
00:38:02想了解嗰啲
00:38:04留低嘅決定
00:38:06或者有冇啲反覆嘅思考
00:38:08但係就住呢一樣嘢
00:38:10你會唔會有啲嘢覺得需要
00:38:12想再補充
00:38:14我比較相信
00:38:16留低同埋
00:38:18離開嘅朋友
00:38:20特別係
00:38:22以往係
00:38:24公民社會裏面比較活躍嘅朋友
00:38:26我自己都覺得
00:38:28呢一陣嘅人
00:38:30係無論
00:38:32身處喺邊度都係想
00:38:34想做啲嘢
00:38:36咁如果係
00:38:38咁嘅話
00:38:40我只係能夠講
00:38:42其他人我唔敢講
00:38:44因為我想講我自己嘅
00:38:46嗰種狀況
00:38:48
00:38:50而家係咪完完全全
00:38:52冇空間去
00:38:54做嘢未必
00:38:56但係環境上
00:38:58同氣氛上
00:39:00甚至可以做到嘅嘢就
00:39:02比以前少
00:39:04咁呢一種
00:39:06我形容為
00:39:08比較壓抑嘅一種
00:39:10狀態或者情緒
00:39:12有時候會
00:39:14都成為少少嘅推力
00:39:16係咪他方嘅
00:39:18熱量會遠啲
00:39:20外面
00:39:22做香港嘅嘢係咪
00:39:24會容易啲
00:39:26甚至乎
00:39:28我哋喺香港好耐都冇
00:39:30百姓嘅嗰啲
00:39:32一呼百應嘅氣氛
00:39:34
00:39:36喺外面
00:39:38係會好啲咁
00:39:40我覺得呢啲對我嚟講
00:39:42係會
00:39:44會思考嘅同時
00:39:46我都仍然都係講緊
00:39:48我都唔係一種
00:39:50策略考慮計算嘅人
00:39:52但係我估呢一種
00:39:54令到我思考
00:39:56仍然用返頭先嘅示範
00:39:58我都相對覺得係準確
00:40:00up and down 嘅嗰種其實係情緒
00:40:02唔係一種實質上
00:40:04實際上講緊
00:40:06大家一齊稱下
00:40:08好理性嘅
00:40:10我而家付出緊喺公民社會
00:40:12嘅嘢係零至一
00:40:14外面嘅人係三
00:40:16係咪三大過一
00:40:18所以我就要過開
00:40:20唔係呢種
00:40:22嘅動勢
00:40:24但係嗰種
00:40:26即係
00:40:28即係
00:40:30本應係好關自己事
00:40:32或者
00:40:34突然間有好多想當年
00:40:36以前嘅時候我就咁咁咁咁咁
00:40:38做咗好多嘢
00:40:40我而家都冇位
00:40:42諗唔到有咩可以
00:40:44
00:40:46純粹情緒
00:40:48發洩
00:40:50又覺得
00:40:52又好似冇意義
00:40:54好似
00:40:56相反
00:40:58人哋嘅一啲
00:41:02聲援
00:41:04或者係一啲比較集體啲嘅
00:41:06聯署
00:41:08所以
00:41:10所見到嘅
00:41:12都唔係抱有嗰種話
00:41:14係咪呢啲力量等於
00:41:16可以左右大局未必
00:41:18我哋都唔係咁諗呢啲嘢
00:41:20但係係咪會
00:41:22係咪都起碼
00:41:24只要都起碼都講到
00:41:26我條氣唔絕
00:41:28但係講緊我條氣唔絕
00:41:30嗰句說話唔係出自己嘅
00:41:32人哋幫我講
00:41:34呢一種
00:41:36嘅心態
00:41:38情緒
00:41:40
00:41:42嗰種
00:41:44實際上
00:41:48嗰種
00:41:50處境
00:41:52問題
00:41:54最少暫時
00:41:56都仍然係
00:41:58暫時嘅決定
00:42:00留低喺香港
00:42:02留低喺香港
00:42:04生活有多層面
00:42:06咁我想了解下
00:42:08就住呢個繼續
00:42:10生活落去
00:42:12有冇一啲咩
00:42:14想像
00:42:18或者甚至乎
00:42:20打算
00:42:22嘅東西
00:42:26我覺得
00:42:28而家香港
00:42:30嗰個變化嘅嗰個複雜
00:42:32複雜性
00:42:34有都係呃你嘅
00:42:36即係話我估
00:42:38留低嘅朋友
00:42:40都有好多嘅講法
00:42:42咩韜光養晦
00:42:44咩等待時機
00:42:46咩盡做
00:42:48任何一個空間
00:42:50其實都仲係有啲咩
00:42:52發揮
00:42:54我自己覺得
00:42:56眾多呢啲講法
00:42:58裏面嚟講
00:43:00就住而家香港
00:43:02
00:43:04我只能夠講變化都幾快
00:43:06同埋
00:43:08同埋真係
00:43:10對家
00:43:12我特別係想講
00:43:14招數真係有啲
00:43:16有啲層出不窮嘅
00:43:18情況之下
00:43:20我自己覺得冇一種狀況
00:43:22係完完全全
00:43:24描述晒嘅
00:43:26我覺得其實任何人
00:43:28無論留得低嘅朋友都係
00:43:30其實係袋住幾張刀
00:43:32睇下邊一張刀
00:43:34灑起嚟感覺上好睇啲
00:43:36或者係
00:43:38係ok啲嘅時候
00:43:40就用邊一種
00:43:42而唔係一種好好
00:43:44整體上
00:43:46如果嗰種以往嗰種
00:43:48即係譬如
00:43:50以前討論嗰啲咩躺平咁樣
00:43:52咁我又覺得唔係喎
00:43:54其實而家都
00:43:56大家仍然係香港都係做到嘔
00:43:58不過唔係
00:44:00唔係嗰種以前
00:44:02
00:44:04點講呢
00:44:06好能夠有氣氛畀你
00:44:08會見到
00:44:10成個公民社會
00:44:12郁緊嘅嗰啲嘅
00:44:14嘅狀況
00:44:16即係我唔係
00:44:18想處理嗰種所謂
00:44:20social impact
00:44:22咁但係我又反過來
00:44:24如果你純粹用
00:44:26時空
00:44:28或者點
00:44:30一來就咁啲人
00:44:32二來可能位置又轉咗
00:44:34又升咗又好乜都好
00:44:36三來就係
00:44:42後疫情嘅情況之下
00:44:44而其實我知道有一啲
00:44:46有一啲嘅
00:44:48NGO
00:44:50甚至有啲氣氛係
00:44:52嘗試講緊要
00:44:54追趕返
00:44:56以前嘅嘢
00:44:58我見到而家其實係
00:45:00大家應該
00:45:02如果你論呢個
00:45:04生活質素上面嘅
00:45:06條件
00:45:08work life balance
00:45:10我自己覺得
00:45:12而家可能係
00:45:14比緊喺19年前仲差
00:45:16我自己覺得
00:45:18特別係咁樣留低嘅人
00:45:20你講緊係
00:45:22work life balance 比以前更差
00:45:26呢個唔單止係
00:45:28講緊政治上嘅東西
00:45:30唔單止
00:45:32我覺得係
00:45:34即係而家嘅工作更加
00:45:38多同埋
00:45:46我自己覺得都有少少所謂
00:45:48量上嘅變化
00:45:52而家我見到啲人嘅忙
00:45:54唔係
00:45:56一樣嘢嘅忙
00:46:00而係可能係基於
00:46:02後疫情嘅情況之下
00:46:04你嘅工作嘅
00:46:06投入
00:46:08我真係講緊工作嘅投入
00:46:10但係唔係單一嘅工作
00:46:14我當係似係
00:46:16嗰種selection嘅
00:46:18狀況先
00:46:20當你要selection嘅情況之下
00:46:22你嘅每一個
00:46:24selection出嚟嘅工作
00:46:26都要求緊你
00:46:28做某啲嘢
00:46:30其實你係會比
00:46:32之前嘅所謂
00:46:34相對一個一份
00:46:36正職嘅嗰種
00:46:38忙係我覺得係不能言喻
00:46:40其實係會
00:46:42我覺得係
00:46:44因為質量上嘅變化
00:46:46所以其實如果我覺得
00:46:48啲人去
00:46:50你問我
00:46:52我感覺到有啲身邊嘅朋友
00:46:54其實係比
00:46:5619年前嘅嗰種狀況
00:46:58仲差咗
00:47:02我見到有啲朋友係咁
00:47:04即係更加日做夜做
00:47:06係喎
00:47:08呢個會唔會係
00:47:10其實有冇一份長工
00:47:12長工同呢個sexual
00:47:14即係所謂邪光族嘅
00:47:16本質上會出現
00:47:18會唔會係呢
00:47:20會出現嘅
00:47:22分別
00:47:28咁講啦
00:47:30我又係用嗰種
00:47:32即係理性或者你用好scientific
00:47:34咁樣去計算工作量
00:47:36嗰樣嘢呢我唔識處理
00:47:38咁但係我自己
00:47:40你嗰種selection
00:47:42本身可能基於個朋友
00:47:44究竟係佢
00:47:46好自願嘅selection
00:47:48定係話先
00:47:50因為社會環境氣氛條件
00:47:52就變咗
00:47:54變咗selection
00:47:56變咗個結果
00:47:58嘅情況之下
00:48:00咁你係一種
00:48:02成個社會環境氣氛係
00:48:04相對positive嘅情況嘅以前
00:48:06你可能
00:48:08都係捱
00:48:10但係你捱得係起勁啲
00:48:12積極啲
00:48:14咁同你而家係selection
00:48:16分咗去
00:48:18四五個唔同嘅job
00:48:20咁但係都係捱
00:48:22可能
00:48:24實際上工作量
00:48:26如果純粹數學上同以前
00:48:28可能係一樣
00:48:30但係你再要疊加上去嘅
00:48:32就係嗰種社會環境氣氛唔同咗
00:48:34咁你可能
00:48:36你捱嘅時候
00:48:38你可能花多咗時間去
00:48:40信多咗兩句呢
00:48:42我唔知
00:48:44我自己講
00:48:46覺得
00:48:48今日嘅質素
00:48:50比以往差
00:48:52我覺得係會夾雜埋
00:48:54呢啲個人嘅因素
00:48:56
00:48:58咁個社會氣氛係會影響人嘅
00:49:00各方各面
00:49:02嘅生活嘅
00:49:04咁人始終係個社會裏面生活
00:49:06上真係隱居嘅啫
00:49:08好難受影響嘅
00:49:10
00:49:12但係呢種
00:49:14情況有冇發生係你自己身上
00:49:18
00:49:20即係嗰個
00:49:22社會氣氛導致嘅工作
00:49:24情緒
00:49:26或者
00:49:28自己喺
00:49:30工作上
00:49:32善處一啲方法或者出路
00:49:34等等嘅情況之下
00:49:36我自己覺得
00:49:38總體上
00:49:40係個人係
00:49:42個人係差咗嘅
00:49:44即係
00:49:46可能係真係會
00:49:48悲觀咗
00:49:50啲嘢
00:49:52唔夠
00:49:54唔太
00:49:56放膽去投入得太多
00:49:58出路
00:50:02出路上
00:50:04即係個人係會比較
00:50:06單啲
00:50:08好似好快咁
00:50:10覺得好諗唔到啲
00:50:12Alternative
00:50:14同以前嗰種
00:50:16雖然都冇乜Alternative
00:50:18但係都會願意去試下你嗰種
00:50:20狀況
00:50:22Energy level
00:50:24係低咗
00:50:26
00:50:28如果頭先咁講就
00:50:30某一程度上雖然你唔係
00:50:32Selection都有嗰種
00:50:34氣氛
00:50:36影響導致你嘅
00:50:38一定程度嘅悲觀或者一定程度嘅
00:50:40動力
00:50:42Energy嘅嚇惶
00:50:44咁呢個具體
00:50:46可能係
00:50:48發生喺工作上都影響到工作
00:50:50咁有冇一啲
00:50:52嘗試
00:50:54有冇一啲方法
00:50:56或者有冇一啲諗緊
00:50:58去處理呢種狀態嘅
00:51:02有冇一啲已經practice緊
00:51:04或者考慮緊去嘗試
00:51:10好難講
00:51:12不過
00:51:14點講呢
00:51:16係咪有啲
00:51:18叫做
00:51:20我估嗰個唔係
00:51:22我完完全全
00:51:24靠我自己
00:51:26好主動能動咁樣
00:51:28去作出
00:51:30某一種嘅回應
00:51:32或者一種改變嘅狀況
00:51:34唔係咁
00:51:36但係我自己覺得
00:51:38由成個社會
00:51:40因為喺咁嘅環境之下
00:51:42有啲嘢係
00:51:44寬容咗
00:51:46如果用以前嘅指標
00:51:48以前嘅指標
00:51:50係求其咗
00:51:52或者係標準
00:51:54係低咗
00:51:56我舉個例子
00:51:58譬如話
00:52:00以往
00:52:02譬如
00:52:04民間社會好多時都會
00:52:06鍾意搞seminar
00:52:08咁搞個seminar之後
00:52:10跟住就會大家
00:52:12都唔夠看嘢
00:52:14冇咗道理
00:52:16白坐咗一日
00:52:18咁好多時都會咁
00:52:20但係而家
00:52:22就因為真係
00:52:24一啲所謂
00:52:26有啲質素嘅
00:52:28seminar
00:52:30相對真係少咗好多
00:52:32咁於是大家就會
00:52:34對嗰啲seminar嘅期望
00:52:36就會好
00:52:38自動好古怪
00:52:40怪地調節咗
00:52:42例如話
00:52:44咁多人難得
00:52:46有骨為奴嘅機會
00:52:48已經好好
00:52:50唔使理佢
00:52:52講乜嘢
00:52:54真係
00:52:56幾耐冇試過咁
00:52:58咁我
00:53:00如果我
00:53:02刻意地用以前嘅標準
00:53:04嘅話
00:53:06唔係
00:53:10但係而家
00:53:12冇辦法
00:53:14真係成個社會環境
00:53:16嘅轉變
00:53:18又導致
00:53:20某程度上
00:53:22又寬容咗
00:53:24寬容咗嘅意思
00:53:26即係如果用以前嘅講法
00:53:28即係標準真係低咗
00:53:30咁但係大家又會相對地
00:53:32係會
00:53:34接受到嘅
00:53:36所謂寬容咗嘅意思就係咁
00:53:38即係真係會接受到
00:53:40咁就ok
00:53:42咁樣
00:53:44咁所以
00:53:46邊啲嘢有得選擇
00:53:48邊啲嘢有得揀
00:53:50究竟係咪做到嘢
00:53:52係咪做唔到嘢
00:53:54我唔能夠完全
00:53:56完全唔能夠用一種
00:54:00時空上嘅對比
00:54:02更加唔掩蓋
00:54:04其實都要警戒自己
00:54:06咁樣比較係
00:54:08同一個
00:54:10而家呢個moment
00:54:12同一個moment上面嘅市場
00:54:14我知用唔用我咁樣講
00:54:16同一個moment上面嘅市場
00:54:18上面嘅比較究竟係點
00:54:20我只係能夠講
00:54:22寬容地
00:54:24多咗一個空間
00:54:26個個做
00:54:28咁而家
00:54:30肯做都已經好過無做
00:54:32咁我
00:54:34實同意嘅
00:54:36咁所以變咗
00:54:38返返去
00:54:40自己即係
00:54:42身處係呢一種
00:54:44大環境裏面
00:54:46我只係能夠講
00:54:52同以往嗰種好
00:54:54唔使點諗
00:54:56衝咗做咗先至算嘢
00:54:58嗰種狀況
00:55:00而家多咗
00:55:02兩三成嘅
00:55:04某啲嘅情緒
00:55:06或者佢嘥咗
00:55:08你一啲嘅
00:55:10能量
00:55:12其實為咗呢啲咁樣嘅
00:55:14up and down
00:55:16嗰度嘅情況
00:55:18其實佔咗兩三成
00:55:20我估
00:55:22
00:55:24其實係咪叫影響嘅
00:55:26咁相對於以往
00:55:28嗰種失足
00:55:30狀態
00:55:32或者至算嘅
00:55:34嗰種狀況
00:55:36而家係咪真係咁
00:55:38係咪咁嘅收穫
00:55:40咁係咪有
00:55:42有效果
00:55:44係咪想做啲咁嘅嘢
00:55:46即係有時候
00:55:48都唔使點樣誤會
00:55:50其實係同同事之間嘅討論
00:55:52都好難討論
00:55:54咁嗰啲又係會
00:55:56間接都係影響到
00:55:58嗰啲
00:56:00大家嘅嘅嘅判準
00:56:02或者大家攞住嘅
00:56:04嘅情
00:56:06可能係而家裏面
00:56:08大家真係好唔一樣
00:56:10或者亦都唔需要一樣
00:56:12喺咁嘅情況之下
00:56:14就真係嗰啲嘢
00:56:16就真係純粹
00:56:18反彈返嚟自己食曬
00:56:20即係自己食曬
00:56:22自己好內部
00:56:24嘅糾結
00:56:26
00:56:28情況之下
00:56:30係多咗
00:56:32好簡單咁講
00:56:34好直率咁講
00:56:36冇以前做嘢咁爽
00:56:38咁但係當然呢句說話
00:56:40背後要解拆
00:56:42咩叫唔爽嘅時候
00:56:44就好複雜嘅嘢
00:56:48咁所以
00:56:50唔算話自己
00:56:52冇努力
00:56:54又冇辦法話有一種
00:56:56完完全全回應
00:56:58將來可以點做
00:57:00嘅一種狀態嘅一種
00:57:02說明或者策略
00:57:04咁但係就
00:57:06係喺
00:57:08
00:57:10戀事社會環境氣氛
00:57:12好似你做啲嘢
00:57:14相對好寬容
00:57:16係咁㗎啦做住先啦
00:57:18咁嘅一種
00:57:20嘅狀態之下
00:57:22你又覺得好似有
00:57:24啲啲位可以繼續再做
00:57:26但係再做下
00:57:28做下會係點又唔知
00:57:30咁嘅一種狀態
00:57:34唔好介意我做一個
00:57:36唔係好寬容嘅
00:57:38追問
00:57:40因為你頭先就
00:57:42好幾次提到寬容啦
00:57:44但係去到咁上下你又會提到
00:57:48同你之前嘅一啲習慣
00:57:50可能有啲
00:57:52轉變啦
00:57:54又提到
00:57:56同啲同事就住某一啲嘢
00:57:58想進一步嘅討論似乎有啲困難
00:58:00跟住你又有啲
00:58:02糾結啦咁我可唔可以
00:58:04理解
00:58:06其實你描述嗰種寬容
00:58:08係一種而家
00:58:10好喺你眼中嘅
00:58:12相對普遍嘅一啲
00:58:14所謂大圍或者社會氣氛
00:58:16而未必
00:58:18係你自己個人
00:58:20心裏面係幫下嗰啲
00:58:22場景嘅
00:58:24感覺
00:58:26即係
00:58:28其實你自己
00:58:30係咪仍然
00:58:32覺得嗰啲場景或者嗰啲
00:58:34做法係有佢不足嘅地方
00:58:36
00:58:38需要討論
00:58:44我會
00:58:46我會真係答
00:58:48係囉即係如果唔係
00:58:50唔使咁多
00:58:52即係即係梗係有一種
00:58:54落差你先至
00:58:56
00:58:58咁多
00:59:00甚至要去嘗試觀察下
00:59:02自己嗰種嘅情緒係
00:59:04嚟自一種點樣嘅狀態
00:59:06我覺得我今日
00:59:08好難咁描述到
00:59:10我喺一個咁複雜嘅
00:59:12處境裏面嘅嗰種
00:59:14狀態嘅一啲恩友
00:59:16我已經覺得佢已經好勁
00:59:18我對我自己寬容下先
00:59:20咁但係
00:59:22但係我想講嘅就係
00:59:24如果你冇嗰種
00:59:26好大嘅落差或者點樣
00:59:28其實你唔會諗嗰啲嘢囉
00:59:30我只能夠
00:59:32但係喺咁嘅情況之下
00:59:34點解諗咗啲咁嘅嘢
00:59:36咁咪就係因為有落差先
00:59:38有嗰種面額
00:59:42似乎暫時嚟講
00:59:44再總結落嚟就係
00:59:46嗰啲呢啲討論
00:59:48似乎都唔多機會發生
00:59:50而嗰啲鬥機又存在
00:59:52或者嗰啲情緒
00:59:54又存在
00:59:56咁有冇一啲你自己嘗試
00:59:58去點樣handle佢
01:00:00或者
01:00:02點樣去面對佢嘅
01:00:04方法或想像
01:00:06咁你都
01:00:08總要繼續活下去
01:00:10總要繼續咁你都會繼續返工
01:00:12嗰啲工作都係繼續會出現
01:00:20case by case
01:00:22好難
01:00:24就係
01:00:26繼續做
01:00:28我覺得
01:00:30而家有啲嘢
01:00:32俾以往寬容咗嘅時候
01:00:34
01:00:36可能有啲嘢真係容忍你
01:00:38可以拖下
01:00:40咁嗰啲係乜嘢嚟
01:00:42咁當然係要揀選啲唔死得人嘅嘢
01:00:44去拖
01:00:46咁所以我唔知道
01:00:48即係冇乜一種
01:00:50好單一描述
01:00:52嘅一種總體上面嘅策略
01:00:54不過
01:00:56如果你手頭上有幾樣嘢
01:00:58有啲你都知道
01:01:00明知
01:01:02以前你一定唔會做嘅
01:01:04而家焗住要做嘅
01:01:06咁你焗住佢做嘅時候
01:01:08條氣梗係唔焗
01:01:10唔焗氣唔焗嘅時候
01:01:12梗係有個方法就係話
01:01:14咁咪拖下先啦
01:01:16或者冇咁高嘅priority
01:01:18睇下遲啲日都多啲
01:01:20儲夠能量嘅時候
01:01:22先至應付嗰啲嘢
01:01:24咁總有一啲咁樣嘅
01:01:26strategy
01:01:28係每日返工都會處理
01:01:30咁但係嗰啲係唔係
01:01:32一個總體上面
01:01:34嘅策略
01:01:36唔係嘅
01:01:38咁咪所以
01:01:40嗰幾樣嘢裏面
01:01:42可能你總有一兩樣嘢
01:01:44會覺得自己做起嚟
01:01:46會起勁啲
01:01:48會爽快啲
01:01:50會想嘗試
01:01:52做多啲或者會
01:01:54諗到一啲同自己講
01:01:56會有意義嘅原因咁樣
01:01:58咁嗰啲嘢又會做得快啲嘅
01:02:00
01:02:02唔識答
01:02:04係咪呢種
01:02:08好勉強好勉強
01:02:10就係一種
01:02:12阿QD嘅處境
01:02:14繼續再做落去
01:02:16呢個我唔知係咪一個
01:02:18總體嘅
01:02:20嘅回應咁樣
01:02:22但係如果唔使因為要一啲咁
01:02:24generalize嘅
01:02:26嘅點樣
01:02:28面對將來
01:02:30工作嘅一種方法
01:02:32我就覺得
01:02:36其實而家要諗嘅嘢
01:02:38可能比以往可能多咗
01:02:40以往可能
01:02:42唔係好需要太過
01:02:44或者以往比較
01:02:46不時
01:02:48處理自己情緒嘅部分
01:02:50而家要deal with自己情緒嘅部分
01:02:52可能多咗
01:02:54係咪
01:02:56運動後嘅創傷
01:02:58我覺得而家有啲嘢簡直
01:03:00係subtle到
01:03:02都唔能夠再叫做運動嘅時候
01:03:04咁可能嗰個
01:03:06嗰個比喻或者嗰個講法
01:03:08又唔係但係
01:03:10真係要
01:03:12要處理返
01:03:14好好咁樣樣去
01:03:16去處理返自己嘅
01:03:18一啲
01:03:20情緒或者留意
01:03:22返自己嘅啲狀態
01:03:24事實上又真係多過
01:03:26以前好多咁
01:03:28明白
01:03:30的確係嘅
01:03:32
01:03:34關於個人意志情緒
01:03:36同埋情緒呢啲討論係
01:03:38而家比
01:03:40以前豐富多
01:03:42
01:03:44你覺得呢一部分有冇
01:03:46成為你嘅一啲
01:03:48有冇幫到你嘅辦法
01:03:54
01:03:56好難夠話
01:03:58好難講話呢啲叫做
01:04:00幫到我
01:04:02但係
01:04:04
01:04:06多咗呢個範數嘅
01:04:08Alert
01:04:10係要處理嘅
01:04:12即係你Alert咗就要處理
01:04:14應該係咁
01:04:16我只係能夠開始越來越
01:04:18接受到
01:04:20如果嗰個部分係要處理嘅
01:04:22真係要花一啲Energy去處理
01:04:24
01:04:26明白
01:04:28頭先你好快咁提到
01:04:30我唔知係飄過定係真係
01:04:32提到有一個
01:04:34有意義嘅部分
01:04:36即係啲工作上面
01:04:38如果有啲自己覺得可能
01:04:40有意義嘅部分就可能會
01:04:42墮力啲呀之類嗰啲
01:04:44呢啲方唔方便
01:04:46可以描述下
01:04:48你覺得嗰啲
01:04:50你口中嘅有意義嘅部分
01:04:52大概會係一啲咩範疇
01:04:54或者一啲咩方向嘅事情
01:04:56或者東西
01:04:58或者嘗試
01:05:00
01:05:04容我好
01:05:06試下好無斷
01:05:08咁樣去諗或者去講
01:05:10嘅一啲
01:05:12狀況呢就係
01:05:14而家做嘅嘢
01:05:16同我以前做嘅嘢係
01:05:18好唔同
01:05:20
01:05:22或者而家做緊嘅嘢
01:05:24其實係我以前無諗過
01:05:26會做嘅嘢
01:05:28
01:05:30
01:05:32係咁嘅情況之下
01:05:34如果我用以前嘅標準
01:05:36去嘗試度我而家
01:05:38
01:05:40做緊嘅嘢呢
01:05:42其實嗰啲係
01:05:44一啲無乜
01:05:46成效
01:05:48或者可能
01:05:50會去到好低
01:05:52好低先至
01:05:54
01:05:56咁如果係咁嘅話呢
01:05:58
01:06:00我頭先講嗰啲
01:06:02相對有意義
01:06:04等等嘅嘢其實
01:06:06都必須要經第一個步驟
01:06:08其實去嘗試說服自己
01:06:10而家一個新嘅
01:06:12context嘅情況之下
01:06:14可能嗰啲嘢都仲係會
01:06:16有啲意義嘅可能嗰樣嘢
01:06:18都係值得做嘅呢
01:06:20其實都先經咗個
01:06:22第一關係咁
01:06:24
01:06:26咁有啲嘢係會說服到自己
01:06:28有啲嘢說服唔到自己
01:06:30咁個paradise就係咁樣
01:06:32咁所以
01:06:34嗰啲
01:06:36形容為有意義嘅嘢
01:06:38其實
01:06:40用以前嘅標準
01:06:42或者用以前嘅眼光
01:06:44其實都唔會做
01:06:46
01:06:48
01:06:50
01:06:56好具體或者
01:06:58
01:07:00講得出嗰啲係咩嚟
01:07:02有啲難
01:07:04因為其實我覺得
01:07:06有啲可能都係同工作崗位
01:07:08
01:07:10我試下咁樣
01:07:12引申另一個問題就係
01:07:14嘗試進入但係又不進入
01:07:16
01:07:18我唔知我得唔得試下
01:07:20如果真係唔方便亦都可以
01:07:22取消呢個問題
01:07:24嗰啲
01:07:26以前唔會paradise
01:07:28嘅東西
01:07:30而家有部分
01:07:32思考過之後行量過之後
01:07:34都會去嘗試嘅
01:07:36
01:07:38如果
01:07:40咁樣返轉頭去諗嘅時候呢
01:07:42你會覺得以前冇去paradise佢
01:07:44
01:07:48嗰啲人唔需要
01:07:50具體地唔需要
01:07:52定係
01:07:54喺當下嘅
01:07:56環境裏面
01:07:58被忽略咗
01:08:00如果有時間
01:08:02倒退返嚟
01:08:04因為有
01:08:06各式各樣
01:08:08喺時機或者策略上
01:08:10係需要
01:08:12有其他嘅工作去
01:08:14occupy
01:08:16咁所以
01:08:18而家好似我類似呢啲
01:08:20我暫時咁樣講
01:08:22唔計好
01:08:24很後勤式嘅一啲工作
01:08:26係以往嘅
01:08:28我嚟講我派嘅
01:08:30paradise係好
01:08:32好低嘅
01:08:34就因為
01:08:36以前有機會去做
01:08:38認為
01:08:40更加多
01:08:42可以影響到社會
01:08:44改變嘅一啲
01:08:46方法或者策略
01:08:48咁所以而家就係話
01:08:50喂調返轉
01:08:52有啲嘢都做唔到
01:08:54唔會做
01:08:56無論係社會環境
01:08:58咩都好咁樣
01:09:00咁所以就
01:09:02你問係咪選擇
01:09:04或者pick up到
01:09:06頭先都去講唔講法
01:09:08以前唔做
01:09:10而家可能都係要做
01:09:12咁當而家可以去做嘅時候
01:09:14咁可能我頭先都講
01:09:16第一係咪說服到自己
01:09:18咁說服到自己
01:09:20做嘅時候
01:09:22做得起勁啲啲
01:09:24都係要做
01:09:26都係有用嘅
01:09:28都係對社會有影響
01:09:30咁就係做得起勁啲
01:09:32咁調返轉
01:09:34未必係
01:09:36咁容易
01:09:38說服到自己
01:09:40但係可能係社會環境條件
01:09:42都真係要做嗰啲嘢
01:09:44咁嗰啲咪拖下先
01:09:46即係我頭先講
01:09:48嗰個描述係咁
01:09:50明白
01:09:52但係其實我
01:09:54更想處理嘅應該係
01:09:56假設
01:09:58假設
01:10:00以你而家已經有嘅
01:10:02知識嘅
01:10:04經驗嘅
01:10:06帶返去
01:10:082003年嘅你
01:10:10你覺得而家
01:10:12都有啲
01:10:14意思可以去
01:10:16處理嘅一啲
01:10:18東西
01:10:202003年嘅你其實係
01:10:22唔需要
01:10:24定係當時冇諗到
01:10:26定係
01:10:282003
01:10:30即係你發生
01:10:3220年前
01:10:40即係有少少似月光布盒
01:10:42可以返返去以前
01:10:44你會唔會揀而家
01:10:46做緊嘅嘢我會答你
01:10:48唔會
01:10:50係因為佢唔需要
01:10:52唔係唔需要
01:10:54而係
01:10:56如果2003
01:10:58嘅時候
01:11:00太多嘢可以
01:11:02做太多嘢可以
01:11:04試樣樣嘢都覺得
01:11:06好好玩
01:11:08或者
01:11:10有一啲
01:11:12成功感
01:11:14係嚟自
01:11:16嗰種
01:11:182003年嘅嗰種
01:11:20創新或者一啲
01:11:22新嘗試
01:11:24其實
01:11:26如果
01:11:28假設將我而家
01:11:30做緊嘅嘢搬返
01:11:32去2003年嘅話
01:11:34仍然都係一個非常之
01:11:36
01:11:38嘅態勢
01:11:40甚至諗都唔會諗嘅嘢
01:11:42如果你問我
01:11:44而家呢個咁作
01:11:48咁但係個社會都唔需要
01:11:50有人做
01:11:52梗係
01:11:54ok嘅
01:11:56不過嗰個唔係我
01:11:58如果你放緊2003
01:12:00年嘅話
01:12:02咁你講緊嘅呢啲嘢係
01:12:04過往呢廿多年
01:12:06你多唔多見到
01:12:08或者感受到周圍
01:12:10有人喺有地方
01:12:12有群體喺度處理緊呢啲
01:12:14
01:12:18咁講啦
01:12:22有嘅
01:12:24有嘅
01:12:26有啲人會
01:12:28做類似嘅工作
01:12:30會做得好
01:12:32清晰嘅
01:12:34所以如果你話將個時空
01:12:36放緊2003年嘅時候
01:12:38咪好呀咪做囉
01:12:40
01:12:42不過嗰刻嘅
01:12:442003年嘅我唔會做呢啲嘢
01:12:48而家呢
01:12:50你見唔見到周圍
01:12:52有好多呢啲事情
01:12:54發生緊
01:12:56接收到
01:12:58少咗嘅
01:13:00少咗嘅
01:13:02而個情況就係
01:13:06第一就係
01:13:08要經歷一個
01:13:10說服自己要做類似嘅嘢嘅情況
01:13:12第二就係
01:13:14正正係少咗
01:13:16
01:13:18所以
01:13:20你唔會做
01:13:22嘅時候
01:13:24
01:13:26都係本著
01:13:28摸著石頭過路嘅情況之下
01:13:30就係試下
01:13:32咁又做唔做到啲嘢囉
01:13:34
01:13:36我覺得就係成日好
01:13:38一般嘅啫或者我唔係
01:13:40好擅長做呢啲嘢嘅
01:13:42有人做我又唔抗拒
01:13:44咁2003年
01:13:46就唔使搞呢啲咁嘅嘢啦
01:13:48咁但係而家就
01:13:50就係囉諗下囉
01:13:52做囉
01:13:54我再verify下
01:13:56你講2003年唔使搞呢啲咁嘅嘢
01:13:58係你唔需要去搞呀
01:14:00定係個社會唔需要去搞
01:14:02社會
01:14:04都容讓
01:14:06有啲嘢存在嘅
01:14:08係呀
01:14:10
01:14:12我唔搞嘢咩得
01:14:14Ok
01:14:16最後第四部分都係一啲
01:14:18睇下你會唔會有啲
01:14:20message會畀其他朋友
01:14:22咁但係before進入嗰度之前
01:14:24你會唔會有啲整體overall嘅嘢
01:14:26想分享下
01:14:28
01:14:30關於去留嘅問題
01:14:32關於
01:14:34去留嘅思考
01:14:36關於留低咗之後
01:14:38繼續
01:14:40職業病啦
01:14:42即係好慣常將
01:14:44我自己生活嘅大部分
01:14:46同工作嘅大部分都連結
01:14:48所以就變咗咁樣
01:14:50咁但係我覺得
01:14:52去留嘅同事其實係
01:14:54除咗個人意願
01:14:56同埋一種工作嘅狀態
01:14:58以外
01:15:00其實仲有其他一啲
01:15:02因素嘅
01:15:04即係家人
01:15:08仲有一啲
01:15:10感情
01:15:12嘅嘢其實係
01:15:14纏繞埋一齊嘅
01:15:16不過只不過
01:15:18可能頭先太過慣常
01:15:20講緊因為工作嘅
01:15:22歐陽丹同事嘅時候
01:15:24思考呢個問題嘅時候
01:15:26留低兩年
01:15:28
01:15:32咁呢個都係最大嘅
01:15:34補充
01:15:36工作
01:15:38以外
01:15:40個人情感或者
01:15:42家庭嘅部分有冇嘢
01:15:44可以分享
01:15:46其實你頭先就
01:15:48中間提過啲嘅
01:15:50但係你自己個人嘅
01:15:52家庭
01:15:54你自己個人嘅角度
01:15:56就好似我嘅店員
01:15:58因為我
01:16:00比較
01:16:02我估
01:16:04如果真係去到嗰一刻
01:16:06譬如唔知因為咩原因
01:16:08突然間我真係要走
01:16:10咁我估個家人
01:16:12特別係即係我媽媽
01:16:14嗰個情況我覺得
01:16:16都係需要
01:16:18傾下
01:16:20但係因為我
01:16:22體上
01:16:24係選擇咗留低嘅
01:16:26情況之下合乎我
01:16:28家人嘅意願同埋
01:16:30心願咁樣嘅話
01:16:32其實我哋就冇乜點解剪開嗰個肚
01:16:34嗯嗯
01:16:36家人連問
01:16:38都冇問
01:16:42咁但係我估又係嗰個
01:16:44狀況直至到我真係有
01:16:46一個好鮮明嘅
01:16:48狀況我諗住要走啦
01:16:50或者我真係要開始出格呢個討論
01:16:52咁佢點會唔明智
01:16:54ok
01:16:56你都唔算好清楚佢哋嘅
01:16:58諗法
01:17:00佢哋嘅諗法
01:17:02我比較清楚就係留低
01:17:04咁所以佢留低嘅話
01:17:06咪就係冇嘢
01:17:08咁即係佢哋覺得
01:17:10需要呀應該
01:17:12或者留低係好啲呢
01:17:14個原因
01:17:16其實都係照顧
01:17:18或者嗰個
01:17:20關係上
01:17:22會唔會已經有一啲具體需要出現
01:17:24暫時未
01:17:26
01:17:28呢個都真係每一個人都需要
01:17:30需要思考
01:17:32需要處理嘅問題
01:17:34ok
01:17:36咁就我覺得
01:17:38差唔多啦
01:17:40咁最後你會唔會有一啲
01:17:42message想畀返一啲
01:17:44已經離開咗嘅朋友
01:17:46另外就係
01:17:48仍然留低係香港嘅朋友
01:17:50或者你覺得整體嘅都得
01:17:54
01:17:56想唔想
01:18:00我覺得
01:18:02我原本
01:18:04我諗緊嘅嘢都係有一啲
01:18:06
01:18:08外面嘅朋友
01:18:10
01:18:12想提供一啲
01:18:14鼓勵
01:18:16但係
01:18:18我唔知道我突然間都變一
01:18:20輪即係
01:18:22談完一輪之後
01:18:24我估
01:18:26我估都係咁
01:18:28我估無論留低
01:18:30或者係外國嘅朋友
01:18:32都係複雜嘅
01:18:34所以
01:18:36其實都真係會有一啲
01:18:38大家共同嘅
01:18:40狀況或者需要
01:18:42
01:18:44係囉鬥長命
01:18:46照顧自己好啲先
01:18:48
01:18:50希望自己係一個好少少嘅
01:18:52狀態裏面
01:18:54tackle唔同嘅
01:18:56subtle嘅問題又好
01:18:58咩都好咁樣
01:19:00咁其實
01:19:02無論係呀即係
01:19:04突然間覺得兩邊
01:19:06無論對外對內
01:19:08都似乎而家都係真係幾
01:19:10唔同嘅
01:19:12即使大家面對嘅嘢
01:19:14好唔同嘅
01:19:16咁真係
01:19:18處理好自己
01:19:20情緒呀
01:19:22狀態呀
01:19:24有啲嘢唔急嘅
01:19:26咪好啲狀態先
01:19:28處理
01:19:30有啲嘢
01:19:32係而家
01:19:34無論
01:19:36外國或者香港
01:19:38有啲嘢都
01:19:40急唔來
01:19:42我自己都覺得係
01:19:44可能係相反
01:19:46我近期嘅領悟
01:19:48都係
01:19:50有啲嘢
01:19:52其實係可以放慢少少
01:19:54去處理
01:19:56咁樣
01:19:58係囉
01:20:00所以對自己
01:20:02即係剔班出嚟嗰啲空間
01:20:04係對自己好啲先
01:20:06
01:20:08可唔可以稍為
01:20:10elaborate呢啲
01:20:12可以放慢少少
01:20:14個可以係咩意思
01:20:16係一個迫於無奈
01:20:18其實佢應該要
01:20:20可以放慢少少
01:20:22處理
01:20:24迫於無奈
01:20:26呢個狀況
01:20:28我估香港同外國都
01:20:30係食人
01:20:32實係
01:20:34都真係幾迫人
01:20:36咁但係我覺得
01:20:38個種狀況
01:20:40又未去到
01:20:42話完完全全
01:20:44係被迫嘅因為
01:20:46我估無論香港定外國
01:20:48都好面對嘅嘢
01:20:50實在係太大
01:20:52同太複雜
01:20:54唔到你唔慢
01:20:56或者亦都冇辦法
01:20:58好短速地有啲
01:21:00所謂一袖而袖嘅
01:21:02所以
01:21:04係囉
01:21:06所謂嗰種放慢啲
01:21:08取而代之
01:21:10我就覺得係照顧好
01:21:12自己嘅狀態
01:21:14呢一種狀況
01:21:16作為你
01:21:18即係對其他嘅
01:21:20嗰啲決定或者
01:21:22事工緩慢嘅一個
01:21:24條件
01:21:26我自己覺得
01:21:32
01:21:34
01:21:36
01:21:38
01:21:40
01:21:42
01:21:44
01:21:46
01:21:48
01:21:50
01:21:52
01:21:54
01:21:56
01:21:58
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