The Congress party launched a 'bail buddhi' campaign to counter PM Modi's 'balak buddhi' comment about Rahul Gandhi. They shared posts and memes calling Modi 'bail buddhi', suggesting he "talks nonsense." We discussed with spokesperson of Congress and BJP over the matter to understand, is the jibe justified or the politics have gone way too far now.
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00:00Hello and welcome to this special broadcast on One India. Balak Budhi versus Bahl Budhi. Now,
00:06this has taken over not just the social media space but also the debate tables and the
00:13to and fro between the Congress party and the BJP. What started with the comment of Balak Budhi
00:19from the Prime Minister Modi in the Parliament against Rahul Gandhi, now the Congress for 24
00:26hours or so have been training its guns. So, back on the Prime Minister and Balak Budhi is
00:32what is doing rounds. So, joining us on the debate is Shyam Prasad Meghaji from Indian
00:36National Congress and Alok Watsi from the BJP. Shyam Prasad Meghaji, let me begin with you first.
00:44There are responses, there are measured responses and there are some responses which are
00:52at times below the belt. What prompted the Congress to go for the jugular of the BJP?
01:00See, Pankaj, good evening to you. See, simple thing is
01:13So, where is the issue?
01:17Where is the issue?
01:18So, Balak Budhi in your opinion is not a derogatory remark.
01:23Where is the issue? Okay. So, now we are talking about
01:31maryada in the political language. We are led by a Prime Minister, we are led by a leader
01:39who speaks very nice language. We are a society, we are learning from our leader.
01:44Did the public discourse happen on the language?
01:54Oh, now Mr. Narendra Modi can't take a punch on his chin. So, then it is a problem, right?
02:06I hear you.
02:14Sir,
02:23what's the problem? And the Congress is saying it's the taste of their own medicine to the BJP.
02:28Is that so?
02:31Are we talking about calling the Prime Minister
02:37Bal Budhi, the campaign that Congress is running? Yes.
02:41I'm very astonished and very surprised.
02:46The Bal Budhi has made the Indian economy the fifth largest in the world.
02:53The Bal Budhi has built 11.4 crore toilets. The Bal Budhi makes 8.21 kilometers
03:02road per day. The Bal Budhi has given 5 lakh insurance coverage medically to
03:1040 crore people of India. The Bal Budhi has made 4 crores homes and building another 2 crores.
03:22The Bal Budhi has stabilized the economy that last month 15,300 new industries have enrolled
03:32in India. The Bal Budhi has gone to Russia and told Putin in his own country in plain and simple
03:40terms that war is not the solution to the ongoing situation. The Bal Budhi has got all the Indians
03:50freed from there who are being who are lured by the agents from India and made to fight in war in
03:56Ukraine. If all this has been done by a Bal Budhi, then I think Bal Budhi is a very, you know,
04:05promising remark for somebody. And the Bal Budhi has run the government 10 years unblemished
04:14without even one scam anywhere. But unfortunately that is not what Congress is counting on. Congress,
04:21if you look at the series of social media posts that have come up, are based on the faux pas,
04:28on the mistakes, on the claims, and possibly which were not delivered.
04:33Shyam Prasad Mekhaji, to list a few of the claims and campaigns. Obviously, it comes out as a
04:38response to the jibe at Rahul Gandhi for Balad Budhi, but Rahul Gandhi's fiery speech in the
04:44parliament is something that made many think, even Rahul Gandhi's biggest critique would have said,
04:52a changed man. So the question here is, was that the trigger point, the Balad Budhi comment, or was
05:00this thing building up? Because after the elections, after the drubbing in elections
05:04for the Congress, although numbers went up, how was the plan to counter BJP in the days to come?
05:11With this?
05:13No, no. See, Congress will never take trigger from any of such jibes, very simply.
05:23You know, how many jibes they took at Rahul Gandhi, how many insults they heaped on Rahul Gandhi and
05:30Congress party. We don't react to such things. Our job is to talk to the people of the country,
05:38talk to the government that is in power. We speak truth. We talk about the issues of the people.
05:44But at the same time, in politics, sometimes you need a little bit of satire, you need a sense of
05:50humor. These things will happen. But the important thing is, see, our friend Alokji was talking about
05:58Prime Minister going to Russia and telling Russia that war is not the solution. Wow!
06:05What am I supposed to do? Should I clap? Does it require a Prime Minister of 140 crore people
06:13to go and tell somebody that war is not the solution? While he is there in Moscow, Russia
06:18was bombing Ukraine. That is not our problem. See, Prime Minister of India goes and works out
06:25a best thing for India. Talk about that. Don't try to divert people, talk things that are far
06:33from the truth, over exaggerated and also bring entire thing into one individual as if the entire
06:42country is waste. Stop that narrative. So again, it boils down to the fact that how BJP and Congress
06:51are pitted against each other and as opposition parties, they would question anything that the
06:55ruling dispensation does. Alokji, if we talk about the language, this is not the first debate
07:03that is happening, not the first discussion that is happening on the language in the political
07:07fraternity. Then there have been lots and lots of...
07:23So both Congress and the BJP have been targeted by each other. Do we need to actually take a
07:31look at what we speak? Because time and again this question is raised,
07:35somebody else says something else. So where does it end?
07:42If you talk about that, according to me, the entire politician should be sent to some
07:50reform home and they should be put to a rigorous language training. Believe me,
08:00it has gone down to the last step. Come from any party, I'm from the BJP, okay,
08:08but come from any party, time and again people have used words, they have used juggleries, they
08:14have gone into verbal gymnasium, coining words which cannot be even thought, you know, think to
08:24be told. And we have been taking that since years and years. It's at the lowest ebb.
08:32At the lowest ebb. Absolutely.
08:36That is the stark truth. Who will refrain them from using such words?
08:43Who will refrain them? Tell me.
08:45I think there are two people responsible who can actually call them to the task. One is the people,
08:51the voters, and second is the media. But unfortunately, let me admit here that many
08:58a times we see that even in most informed debates also, one sided story comes to the picture that
09:06unhone kaha toh humne kaha, toh dono hi justified hai. But this cannot go down because of generations.
09:12Maine aapko kya kaha? Is hamam mein sab nange?
09:20And in Sanskrit, it is called kobar kaha chhota pradhi.
09:26A tulsi leaf, whether it is big or small, if it is put in something, it is called prasad.
09:35Yaha bhi chhota ya bada, kaunsa language use kar rahe hain? But aap derogatory language use
09:39kar rahe hain? Aap parliamentary language use kar rahe hain? Aap below the belt hit kar rahe hain?
09:46That's what I wanted to know from Mekha ji. Mekha ji, this election of 2024,
09:51the results on 4th of June, was an eye opener for many. And whatever the BJP or the other parties
10:02would say, but the performance of the India Alliance was above satisfactory to most people.
10:08I know that the party themselves knew that they were going to do better. Now, taking on the
10:14government, do you think that it was necessary ki aint ka jawab ham patthar se hi de, agar unha
10:21ne baalak kaha, toh ham bail kehate hain. Sammaan ki baat aapne zarur ki. Lekin, agar ham dekhe
10:25general perception, toh haan, woh kahe na kahin below the belt dekha jaa rahe hain.
10:30See, as I told you, as a party, we in the Congress, we won't react to these things,
10:38we will focus our stuff, as you have seen in the elections itself. See, Prime Minister Narendra
10:44Modi and the BJP were constantly trying to provoke Congress into reacting to what they would
10:53say and do. We never. We stuck to our people's agenda. That's what we do in our politics also.
11:03Our politics is about asking this government to conduct the census, make it a cost census,
11:10to do something about growing income disparities, come up with a good budget
11:17in the next budget session. These are our priorities for the government.
11:23We don't react to any, some jab they took at us. They took hundreds of jabs. Every day in media,
11:32some BJP pravakta will come and talk something about Rahul Gandhi and Congress party.
11:38We are not worried about that. We are not in the business of
11:49but sometimes it will happen. Continuously when it happens, I think BJP needs to
11:56up their levels of sense of humor. Stay with us, Mekhaji. Alokji, talking about
12:02the language, talking about the stage from which things are spoken, Rahul Gandhi was in Manipur
12:10for the third time. There, I have seen him. I've been following him in Manipur for the all three
12:17visits that he did. He has time and again said that he is not there to do politics and he has
12:23never made any derogatory remarks against the government or the people of the country or for
12:29that matter, prime minister. He said that situation hasn't changed and prime minister
12:34should take time out and visit Manipur. In this scenario, sir, where we have a very
12:41sensitive situation in Manipur, do you believe that this catfight or war of words between the
12:52two biggest parties of the country is going to help that cause of Manipur and also when would
13:00BJP or the prime minister take cognizance in person of the situation in Manipur, sir?
13:09See, Manipur is still not
13:13100% within control, but the situation there has improved from what it was.
13:23But let me tell you one thing. Congress gentleman is here. In 1973,
13:33760 deaths took place in Manipur when it went into a turmoil. And it took them two and a half years
13:41to get things straightened out. You see, there are many factors which are there to, you know,
13:50ignite the Manipur issue. The neighboring border also has infiltrations. They are also
13:58time and again trying to, you know, disrupt things there. But rather than doing politics on it,
14:05we should all unitedly try to solve the problem. Let me tell you one thing. That one
14:10says that I'm not there for politics, but it is only for politics that he is there.
14:17Like, I'll give you a glaring example. What happened in Patras is Baba Rampal.
14:26Has any party had the courage to speak against him? Till date?
14:33Rampal, or whatever his name is, that Bhole Baba,
14:38where 1,023 people died. Has any party till date except Mayawati? Because Mayawati was hearing
14:46that he's weaning away his mass vote. Because he belongs to schedule caste. Besides him,
14:55besides him, has any party, even the Congress,
15:01has there spoken a word till date against him? No, no, listen, let me complete.
15:07There Rahul Gandhi goes and says 2 lakh is very little, a meager amount for,
15:12you know, giving to the people. It should be increased. In Karnataka, 65 people died
15:19consuming illicit liquor. Not a single Congress
15:25leader went there. And have they given them 50 lakhs or 25 lakhs as compensation?
15:34What happens in your state, you are silent about it. What happens in other states, you are,
15:40you know, shedding tears.
15:49Sir, but in your opinion, Alokji, do you think that all the calamities,
15:55if we throw in a few of the rail accidents also that have happened,
16:00can all of them be looked at with the same yardstick? Here, you know, in this case of
16:06Hathras, you and I all know the details, how many people are supposed to come in, how many came,
16:11what was the preparation done. Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath, very immediately he went there,
16:17met the injured people in the hospital. Rahul Gandhi also went there. So, political, you know,
16:23placement was there. But again, this is a question of law and order also, and that Baba also,
16:28who is in question. Law is taking its own course there.
16:31But what I'm trying to tell you, has anybody had the courage till date to speak against the Baba?
16:39Who are you challenging, my friend? Who is the stupid Baba? We will speak against him.
16:46Who are you challenging? That fellow who brings in lakhs of people and asks them to rush for his
16:54father Dhooli. He is a criminal. He should be arrested. Are you happy now? I'm telling you from
17:01Congress. Very thankful to you. Very thankful that you have spoken such a thing. But nobody
17:08from the top has had the courage to speak. Why not? We get the courage from the top.
17:14I'm telling you very simply, one question I'll ask you, Pankaj. So much of news coverage about
17:19this Hathras incident. Everybody talks about stampede. What is the trigger for the stampede?
17:27What is the media saying about it? Why is media silent? Stampede happened because
17:35there was a tiger from behind, because there was fire. Why did the stampede happen? Tell me.
17:41According to Baba, somebody was carrying poisonous gas. According to Baba,
17:49somebody was, some people were carrying poisonous gas and they sprinkled it there. So it happened.
17:55But the actual fact is, the people went there to pick up the mud. Yes, yes, the mud.
18:03And that so-called Baba actually in his sermon told that you collect this mud and your problems
18:11will be gone. He should be in jail. But I'm grateful to you. I congratulate you. I thank
18:18you. I salute you that you have had the courage to say this, but nobody till date has the courage
18:24to say what you are saying. Right.
18:42Sir, this thing happens. Let me tell you, this is a very similar thing. Baba
18:47is away from all the limelight for the next three, four days of the stampede when 160 people are
18:53killed. Likewise, there was a Porsche, you know, hit and run case in Pune, where a teenager was
19:02captured, but he was also let go. So the high and the mighty have always found, recently in
19:08Maharashtra also, one Shiv Srinath leader's son was involved in a hit and run case. Now they have
19:14been. That BMW. Yes, yes. So the question here is, Mekhaji, that whereas the political will is there,
19:22but there is always a vote bank politics going on. Unfortunate as it may, but playing politics
19:29on the lives of the people is not accepted. And that's what Rahul Gandhi was also saying,
19:35when he goes to, in that same light, when he goes to Manipur, this is not political opportunism,
19:42because had it been so, he would have spoken loud and clear and had trained his guns from
19:47Manipur also. That way I'm saying, and as the leader of the nation, Prime Minister Modi's visit
19:52there is imminent, has to take place. Depends when does he. Final question to you. Going forward,
20:03the numbers have increased in the parliament. We are seeing tit for tat response in the parliament
20:09and more informed opposition. How are you planning to corner the government
20:19in the subsequent budget session that is going to happen? And what would be your
20:22demand to the public, sir? Very simple. Yeah. One thing you pointed out is,
20:31this is after the election results, the scenario in the house is different,
20:35the numbers simply because the numbers are stacked, different this time. As a political
20:42party, we stick to the simple things, we don't have strategize too much, we don't do some sort of a
20:52psychological game planning in the background like BJP. We are simple political party,
20:58this is Congress party, we will do our people's politics, we will question the government,
21:04we will raise the debates that are required on the people's issues
21:10in our political discourse. We will stick to that and if the government gets rattled
21:16and comes hard at us instead of addressing the issues, so be it. Everybody is looking at what
21:23is happening. See, for example, you see a simple thing, notice, I have nothing against our friend
21:30Alok Vastaji here. But when you look at what he is speaking about, he speaks about in 1973,
21:37what Congress did. What did Congress do in Karnataka? See, I take this example because
21:44this is the typical BJP kind of response. One is chronologically, they'll go back 50 years,
21:51they'll shift the geography. Issue is happening in my home, you are talking to me about somewhere
21:58in Kashmir. That is the typical way of BJP's politics. We want to bring the politics of the
22:05country back into people's issues. We want the people to talk about the paper leagues. We want
22:12the people to talk about jobs for our youth. We want the people to talk about siksha and swastika.
22:19Instead, we are talking about 1947, Modi did that. 2047, Modi is going to do that.
22:29And we are going to talk about
22:33what kind of, these are good things, right? If you're not great about my country,
22:37I'm happy. I'm happy. But how long? How long will I just hear empty words, empty good things?
22:49Hello, ji. How do you see it? Our friend from Congress, Shamsad Mekhaji, is mentioning about
22:55what about me, examples that have been given. That is one way of tackling and cornering the
23:02opposition parties that I know. Given the fact that we are entering into the budget season,
23:12very soon, 23rd of July, we have the union budget. There are lots of hopes and aspirations
23:17clinging with the BJP government. From your side, what prudent measures do you think that this
23:26third term of Prime Minister Modi would keep in mind, so that the backlash or the expectations
23:32are met? Let me tell you one thing. Focus in this budget,
23:40TD now, again to further improve the infrastructure. And there will be rapid growth
23:50in this sector, which is going to now, since the runway is almost near completion, there will be
23:59a plethora of jobs offering. Already it has started. Last month, 15,300 new companies
24:09have registered in India. And this shows a positive sign that the economy will be now
24:18in a trajectory mode to keep further propelling and take the economy to higher states.
24:24Already the growth rate is 7.6%, as described by various economists of the world.
24:34In their opinion, we have the fastest growing economy.
24:37I'm so sorry, Alokji, I'm stopping you. This is absolutely true. What happens is,
24:43if we go back to November of last year, when Ram Mandir was being constructed, final touches
24:51were being given, and January it was starting, I was there in November. So we could see it on
24:55the ground that the general perception was that the airport is built, the temple is built,
25:01the roads are widening, so jobs will come from it. But look, it was the opposite.
25:07And now the way the roads are falling, or the water is filling up somewhere, the water has filled up
25:10at the railway station, so this balancing act, which I was talking about the backlash,
25:16we are not in a hurry to develop, but we need sustainability also.
25:22It was a sorry state, Ayodhya in particular. Things were done in a hurry. And
25:32the administration really killed us there. They did not pay proper compensation.
25:40The shops which were made were highly priced. And also underhand payment demand was very high.
25:50So all this led to the debacle that happened there. But otherwise, let me tell you one thing,
25:57that people working in those areas near the temple, there has been many fold increments in their
26:04income. Today he is selling 25,000 flowers because of the influx of the tourists.
26:13And told that about a lakh people who were there every day. I don't know,
26:16now it may have decreased or whatever it is. They go there every day.
26:24The hotels there are full. It's very difficult to find a hotel there.
26:28Things have improved, but I told you the reason for the debacle, that the administrative machinery
26:38really, really took us to a very bad spot. And because of their doing. Otherwise,
26:45there was no reason for us to lose there. Well, that's a debate that has been done and
26:50dusted. But yes, it's an eye-opener. That's why I said, Mr. Mekha, you wanted to make a
26:55final comment, then we close the show. No, very, very simple thing is, see,
26:59Alokji, because things were happening hurriedly, right? Why were they hurried? That is the question
27:05people need to know, right? Why were they hurried? Because somebody want to show it off as
27:11Maine Ram Ko Laya. That was the reason for the hurry. Why did the stampede happen? Why did they
27:18hurry? But that's okay. Losing or winning one seat here and there, see, I don't give it a big thing.
27:29Like a lot of media is doing, just winning IHJ seat, some symbolic value. That's not the simple
27:38thing. The entire Uttar Pradesh, you guys have lost. That is the major message. Okay, we all
27:45have our different ways of reading the people's mandate. We will do that. But at this point,
27:52let's focus on the people's issues. We bought the constitution as the
27:59central pillar of political discourse. Let's not go back to Ramalaya. Let's not go back to
28:08some hoary past. Let's not go back to Jawaharlal Nehru. Let's have our discourse based on the
28:15constitution and its values. Let's make the discourse about the people's issues,
28:21making the lives of the Indians better. Point taken. Point taken, Shyam Prasadji.
28:27And we will definitely keep an eye on the parliamentary proceedings and the political
28:32proceedings in general. Alok Basit, thank you so much. Shyam Prasadji, thank you for taking
28:37time out for One India. We really appreciate your time and inputs here. We will be back with another
28:42pressing issue on the political front with the faces that you see on the screen and even
28:49others as well. Thank you so much for watching.
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