The Committee on Women, Children, Family Relations and Gender Equality inquiry into reports of human trafficking, scams and other alleged crimes involving POGOs of Mayor Alice Guo of Bamban, Tarlac.
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00:00In Alice Guo's testimony, she is the daughter of a housekeeper.
00:05The housekeeper's name is Amelia Leal.
00:09So here in the birth certificate, it shows that the housekeeper was diagnosed four times.
00:13The point here is that I see a pattern with this family.
00:17Especially her father, who was giving false information.
00:24Now, he is giving a fake document.
00:27Considering the emerging evidence, even here in the hearing,
00:30in Alice Guo's nationality, what penalties might she face?
00:36Is deportation also an option?
00:40If Mayor Alice Guo and the other foreign nationals respondents are charged,
00:46they will face the maximum penalty of life imprisonment.
00:55Pending the case in court, they cannot be deported.
01:00But assuming they are convicted and served the sentence,
01:05they can be deported if they are a foreign national.
01:09If convicted, service of sentence in the Philippines is a prerequisite
01:15before their deportation to their countries.
01:19If you can answer this question,
01:23now that there is a move to cancel the birth certificate,
01:25and I'm very optimistic that it will be canceled
01:29with the amount of evidence pegging her birth certificate,
01:34I can see that it will be canceled.
01:36What will happen to Guo Huaping?
01:39I read that, sir, it might be additional evidence in the co-warrant proceeding
01:46that will be initiated by the Office of the Solicitor General against Mayor Alice Guo.
01:52But will she still be left in our country?
01:57If the co-warrant proceeding against her succeeds,
02:02she will be stripped of Philippine citizenship.
02:07However, as long as she is charged in court for her pending criminal investigations,
02:15she cannot be deported while pending these cases.
02:19If she cancels her birth certificate,
02:25in effect, she will be stripped of her Philippine citizenship, right?
02:29Because that's the proof of her citizenship.
02:32I read that, but we have to look into it further.
02:36The way to cancel her citizenship is through the co-warrant proceeding.
02:40Yes, and I'm very optimistic that the co-warrant will prosper.
02:44If it prospers, what will happen to her citizenship?
02:47It will be canceled.
02:49So what citizenship will she carry?
02:53I don't want to go first, sir, but that would depend on the outcome of the co-warrant proceeding.
03:00All right, okay.
03:18Yes, sir.
03:48Flashlang namin nila.
03:53Yan.
03:55Pwede makita sana yung name, no?
03:57Sa birth certificate nila, yung name ng kanilang ina, pare-parehas.
04:03Si Amelia Leal.
04:05Yes, yes.
04:06But doon sa testimonya ni Alice Goh dito sa committee, na siya ay anak ng kasambahay.
04:13Na ang pangalan ng kasambahay ay Amelia Leal, diba ho?
04:18Yes, sir.
04:19So dito sa birth certificate, lumalabas, apat na beses nabuntis yung kasambahay.
04:27Based on records, sir.
04:29No?
04:30Parang, parang unusual, no?
04:34Kasi yung kanyang first testimony, sinabi niya na yung kanyang ina hindi niya nakilala
04:40dahil kasambahay, at hindi niya na nakilala.
04:43Pero succeeding years, nabuntis ulit, eh.
04:46Ng tatlong beses pa.
04:47Yes, sir.
04:48So that's one.
04:49Another thing, nakita ho namin doon sa marriage certificate, na point out na ito ng ating chairperson,
04:55na yung date of marriage ni, ng kanyang ama, no?
05:00Na dito ay pangalan si Angelito Goh at si Amelia Leal, no?
05:05Kay Alice at kay Sheila, ang date of marriage is October 14, 1982.
05:10Yes, sir.
05:11Tama?
05:12Doong kay Simen at kay Wesley, January 21, 1987.
05:18So magkaiba po yung date of marriage, no?
05:26And plus, nung tinignan ng PSA, wala naman silang marriage certificate at all.
05:30Wala po, sir.
05:30Correct? Tama po ba?
05:31Negative.
05:32Negative, no?
05:33So obviously, itong mga dates na ito, peke, no?
05:37Na ibinigay nila.
05:39Pero nagtanong-tanong pa rin ho kami sa Caloocan Civil Registry tungkol dito sa dalawa,
05:45because we were doing further investigation.
05:49Na-investigahan nyo pa itong si Simen at si Wesley?
05:52We have already requested for an ocular inspection.
05:56However, the Local Civil Registry questioned the authority to conduct the ocular visit.
06:04So we are coordinating with the local chief executive so that we can do further verification.
06:12The Local Civil Registry questioned your authority?
06:16Actually, sir, because we have a representative registration officer from the field office
06:22that will conduct the ocular.
06:23Okay.
06:24So we are coordinating with the local po.
06:27But in due fairness, kinausap po namin yung Local Civil Registry,
06:34and very cooperative naman sila sa amin, in due fairness to the local registrar,
06:39and maybe because kapitbahay namin, Valenzuela, Caloocan magkatabi, no?
06:44So she was very cooperative.
06:47And binigay nyo sa amin yung mga facts surrounding kay Simen at kay Dialgo.
06:55At one of the supporting documents kay Simen and kay Wesley Go is a baptism certificate.
07:17Anyways, meron nyo siyang baptism, itong dalawang may baptism certificate, no?
07:23Ipa-flash ko nalang later on yung actual baptism certificate.
07:27And we dug deeper, tinignan namin kung totoo itong baptism certificate.
07:32And then nag-certify po yung San Roque Cathedral Parish
07:41na wala silang ganyan na birth certificate or baptismal certificate doon sa church na yon, no?
07:49Pumunta ho kami doon, binigay namin yung in-issue na yung supporting document na baptismal certificate.
08:01Pinakita namin sa kanila at sabi nila walang ganun na mga tao na binaptize doon sa kanilang lugar.
08:10And they issued ito, itong bagong official negative certification.
08:18So, ang punta ho dito, nakikita ko may pattern eh with this family.
08:23Especially yung kanyang ama na nagbibigay ng maling impormasyon.
08:30Ngayon nagbibigay ng peking dokumento kasi kailangan ng supporting documents.
08:35Tama, ma'am, the engineer?
08:38Can you put it para ma-record?
08:40Yes, sir. Kailangan po yung supporting documents because yun po yung evidence, anong facts of the birth.
08:48Kay Sheila at kay Alice walang supporting documents whatsoever, diba?
08:54Dito kay Seaman at kay Wesley may supporting documents, pero peke.
08:58We cannot provide yet, sir, because yun nga yung sinabi ko kanina.
09:03But whatever, nauna na kami at kinuha na namin information.
09:07So, we want to flag PSA, gusto namin malaman ninyo na yung supporting documents kahit na meron, peke naman yung binigay.
09:15Yes, sir. We're also doing that, sir, kung nakuha namin yung mga supporting documents, sinusundan namin yung...
09:22Kagaya po yung ginawa niyo, baptismal, is it valid?
09:26Based sa findings ninyo, hindi.
09:28Then that makes it a proof na talagang hindi authentic yung...
09:33And in fact, sir, ginagawa din po namin, we go to the barangay and ask whether these are residents talaga nung time na yun.
09:45And I want to put emphasis na napakalaki ang problema natin sa late registration process.
09:51Dapat seryosohin ito ng PSA at gumawa na ng aksyon.
09:54Kung kailangan ng batas, dapat gumawa na tayo ng batas.
09:58Dahil after nitong investigation ng committee, lumabas na hindi lang ginagamit ito ng mga criminals para makakuha ng Filipino citizenship.
10:08Nabalitaan namin na ang Canadian Embassy ngayon nagre-require na ng DNA test pagkukuha ka ng visa na may bata kang kasama.
10:20Kasi na-detect nila na yung birth certificate na ginagamit ng bata ay peke.
10:28Dahil ayaw nila dumaan sa adoption process.
10:31Busisi kasi ang adoption process natin, UCT, diba?
10:34Napaka-busisi yun.
10:36To shortcut, mag-i-issue na lang sila ng peking birth certificate na anak nila itong batang to.
10:42Siguro mga Filipino rin, para magkamuka.
10:46Because of that incident, ang Canadian Embassy nag-higpit na kailangan may DNA test.
10:52So hindi lang enough yung birth certificate, dapat may DNA test na nagpapatunay na anak mo talaga yung bata.
10:59So ang punto dito, itong late registration process natin, nagagamit na rin for human trafficking ng bata, UCT, because this is tantamount to human trafficking.
11:11Dinadala mo yung bata doon na hindi mo naman kamag-anak at pinapalabas mo kamag-anak through a fake birth certificate.
11:19So importante na, and we will request from PSA to give us your list of recommendations, your list of action plans, the reforms that you have undertaken, plus yung remedial legislation.
11:32Ano ba yung mga batas na kailangan natin para mahintu na ito?
11:37At kanina napakita ng staff ko yung baptismal records.
11:41Pakilabas nga.
11:45Yan, ito yung baptismal records na supposedly attachments doon sa fake birth certificates ni Seamen at ni Wesley Guo.
11:59Just to flag you, para in your investigation matignan niyo rin yan.
12:04And I'll jump to UCT. Itong na-mention na nakuha kong information about dinadala yung mga gusto nilang mag-adapt dito sa Philippines.
12:23Pero dahil nga mahirap yung ating adoption process, which is tama naman, ngayon pinipekin na yung birth certificate, meron ba kayong mga ganitong na-detect?
12:34Yes Sen. Meron po kami ganoon na-detect lately, but yung focus namin ngayon at in fact magco-convene na kami ng small group from IACAT members ay yung online bentahan ng mga bata.
12:47Nandung pala kami sa level na yun. At itong nababilitaan natin na ginagamit yung date registration upang ma-regularize yung relationship ng bata at magulang, ang basa namin dito parang covering the tracks na lang ito. Once mabili yung bata online or in some other venue.
13:09I want to flag the IACAT na tignan na itong angulo. Kasi na-detect na ng mga embassies. At nakakahiya ito sa ating bansa. Imagine mo the embassies themselves gumagawa na ng paraan para mahintuyin ganitong practice. Nagre-require na sila ng DNA test. I'm not sure how many countries do that pero definitely sa Canada meron na. So I want to flag IACAT that this is happening already.
13:39I also want to note that the latest amendment to human trafficking law, nasama na din yung illegal adoptions sa purposes for human trafficking. So maami pumasok doon sa latest amendment ng batas ng ganito mga modus.
14:09... because they are the ones who provided us with very important pieces of evidence."
14:39... Bureau of Immigration yung kanilang visa. Tapos pupunta sila sa amin, ika-capture sir namin yung kanilang signature at saka yung kanilang fingerprint dahil kasama hoyo doon sa SIRB ID na ini-issue sir."
15:09Q1. Nakasulat doon dependent daughter kay Lynne Wenyi?
15:34Q1. So doon sa kanyang papelas, dineclara niya anak niya? A. Yes.
16:04Q1. Tapiho namin as captured? A. Itong picture ng mas malaking bata, kailan niya nakuha?
16:19Q1. 2003 sir? A. 2003. 2003 siya nakuha. So at that time if you go by this age, mga around 13 years old siya at that time.
16:49Q1. So ito yung biometrics ni Guo Huaping na nakuha ninyo? A. Yes.
17:19Q1. Representative or anyone? A. Siya mismo.
17:49Q1. This document came from NBI? A. Yes sir.
18:07Q1. What is the NBI clearance of Alice Guo? Complete with picture and biometrics? A. This was submitted to the committee official document.
18:37Q1. Pwede niyo bang gawin yang para sa committee? A. Yes sir. May daktiloskopi division kami. Determine whether or not the fingerprint ay parehas. At yung katanungan kanina ni Sen. Ontivero sir, tinanung ko kung tapos na, hanggang ngayon pinag-aaralan pa nila sir.
19:07Q1. Pero nagumpis na matching? Kailan matatapos? A. Itatawag ko ngayon sir kasi tinawag ko kagad kanina pati pinapuntahan ko na rin ang address, nag-request ako sa NCR napupuntahan ang address noong 2005 clearance. Wala pang feedback sir.
19:38Q1. Pwede na match na lang natin? Ako confident ako, 100% ako na magmamatch yan. A. Pwede, kung ang NBI sir, wala pang specimen ng fingerprint, pwedeng tadalahin ko sir pagbalik ko papuntang surface.
19:53Q1. Pero napadala na ng committee yung, I think the digital copy napadala na? Pakiverify na lang sir? A. Yes sir. Itatawag ko ngayon sir pagkatapos sir.
20:02Q1. I want to ask Madam Chair, again pursuing your question, to AMLOC. I heard earlier rin na mayroong mga ibang information pa na provide. I won't go to the money laundering kasi I think you made a statement na,
20:32Q1. I heard earlier rin na mayroong mga information pa na provide. I won't go to the money laundering kasi I think you made a statement na,
21:02Q1. I heard earlier rin na mayroong mga information pa na provide. I won't go to the money laundering kasi I think you made a statement na,
21:33Q2. Based sa investigation po namin, there are several variations po. Just to give you some of the variations na tinitignan namin, Winnie Leal po, Winnie Leal Lin, Winnie Lin Leal, Winnie C Leal, tapos yung Amelia Lim Leal and Amelia Leal po.
22:00Q2. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Winnie Lin? Tama? Opo Senator. Meron siyang sinulat na Win
22:30In other words, nung binuksan niya account niya, voluntarily, sinulat niya na ang kanyang mother's maiden name is Winnie Lin.
22:41Liyal lang. Pero alam naman natin, liyal, ano lang naman yun. Katang-isip lang naman yun. Parang imagination lang yun.
22:50Petro, nakasulat doon Winnie Lin. Opo Senator.
22:53So ang ibig sabihin, siguro bago pa lumabas itong issue na ito, voluntarily, sinusulat niya ang nanay niya si Winnie Lin.
23:02Opo. Pareho doon sa BOI documents. Opo Senator. Correct? Opo. Alright.
23:07So I will stop there kasi alam ko na yung ibang issue ay still under investigation.