MABALASIK na pag-torture ang ginagawa sa Porac POGO hub ng mga chinese
The Committee on Women, Children, Family Relations and Gender Equality inquiry into reports of human trafficking, scams and other alleged crimes involving POGOs of Mayor Alice Guo of Bamban, Tarlac.
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00:00We saw the size, the width, the violence, the brutality of this Pogo Hub.
00:08Who are these people?
00:09This is no ordinary criminal. This is no ordinary criminal group.
00:14These are dangerous people.
00:16They are dangerous.
00:18The torture is continuous. The beating is continuous.
00:20It's like normal to see torture equipment in many rooms.
00:25There are a lot of torture equipment.
00:27There are baseball bats, UPUP baseball bats.
00:31It's like normal for them to do torture.
00:33How they tied, how they handcuffed torture victims in their beds,
00:39how they treat their torture victims.
00:42There are pictures.
00:43It's like he's showing off on his cell phone that we're doing this,
00:48and this is our job, and this is normal.
00:53Let me direct my question to Paok.
00:56I think this is a new raid,
01:02a new facility that was raided just this month, June of 2024.
01:10We saw the size, the width, the violence, the brutality of this Pogo Hub.
01:19Madam Chair and I went to many Pogo Hubs,
01:23but this is the widest one, and we saw the brutality of it
01:28because there were faces of torture.
01:35In fact, even after the raid, you were rescued, tortured, and imprisoned.
01:41The media showed that.
01:43You were also rescued by our fellow countrymen who were also there.
01:53What is dismaying here is that this is not the first time.
01:57This is the second raid in Lucky South 99.
02:00As I said earlier, in September of 2022, this Pogo company was raided.
02:07I want to ask for a brief from Paok about what happened there
02:20so that we can put it in the records.
02:22What is your analysis?
02:24Who are the people behind this Pogo Hub?
02:27It is important.
02:28We have already raided it.
02:29Were we able to catch the perpetrators?
02:32Will we be able to prosecute the perpetrators?
02:35What is your analysis?
02:41So far, sir, your observation is correct.
02:44Among all those illegal Pogo Hubs raided by Paok, YACAT, and our law enforcement agencies,
02:56we can consider this one of the worst.
03:04Imagine, sir, when there was a leakage, it ran away.
03:11They care less about leaving people behind if they die.
03:16After the leakage, we waited because we did not leave anyone behind.
03:24We still stayed there to watch because we want to have the search warrant so that we can enter the place.
03:35So we waited for another two days.
03:37We were surprised to see people coming out and shouting.
03:43Those were the people we rescued.
03:46One of them came out in the media.
03:49It was a man who was still possessed in his bed frame.
03:53That was the one we rescued.
03:55The other one was shouting in Chinese language.
04:00We went to the other one.
04:03It turned out that the other one who was shouting was tied inside a room and was asking for help.
04:11He said that he was there for almost 10 days.
04:15He was just given water.
04:18The torture is continuous.
04:21The beating is continuous.
04:23When we entered the room, he panicked.
04:27He thought that we were part of the torture team.
04:35It went on and on.
04:38The next day, we were again rescued.
04:43If you go around the illegal Pogo Hub, it's normal to see torture equipment in many rooms.
04:51There are a lot of torture equipments.
04:53There are baseball bats.
04:55There are tasers.
05:02We went to 12 or 15 rooms.
05:09It's normal for them to do torture in that particular Pogo Hub.
05:16In other Pogo Hubs, there were torture rooms.
05:20That's where we saw the torture equipment.
05:23But in this particular illegal Pogo Hub, it's scattered all over the compound.
05:29It's a normal thing to hurt, to inflict harm, and maybe to die.
05:37That's the difference with other Pogo Hubs.
05:41That strikes me so much, sir.
05:45In one of the torturers that we caught, we can see pictures of torture victims, dead torture victims.
05:55How they tied, how they handcuffed torture victims in their beds.
06:02How they treat their torture victims.
06:05There are pictures.
06:06It's like he's exaggerating on his cell phone.
06:09We're doing this, and this is our job, and this is normal.
06:14That's how it is.
06:15That's where we're struggling.
06:20And the sad part of it, the other part of the raiding team.
06:26Even my picture, ma'am.
06:27I saw it on his cell phone.
06:29That's why we're struggling, ma'am.
06:33I said, this is no ordinary criminal.
06:36This is no ordinary criminal group.
06:39These are dangerous people that we really need to deal with, ma'am.
06:44With a strong hand.
06:46Thank you, ma'am.
06:48You said, Usec, it's no ordinary criminal.
06:52Who are these criminals?
06:53This is to the best of your ability to answer.
06:59I know that your investigations with other agencies are still ongoing.
07:03We don't want to compromise.
07:05If you can answer, give us what you can answer.
07:11So that we can record this incident.
07:17So, based on your investigation, your questioning, who are these people?
07:26In all the POGOs that we raided,
07:30it's normal to see fugitives, wanted persons.
07:35In one of the POGOs that we raided,
07:38we caught 11 wanted criminals.
07:41Foreign nationals.
07:42In some, there were 8.
07:44There were 6.
07:45And our latest, 8.
07:50And checking on the criminal background of these people,
07:56their involvement is not an ordinary crime.
08:00Some are violent crimes.
08:02Meaning, when you say violent crimes,
08:04it's like the pain of a person,
08:07and the act of foolishness are normal things to them.
08:12So, that's what's sad.
08:16And, surprisingly, some of the names of those wanted persons were in the list of SEC
08:23that were submitted to us.
08:25And the two wanted persons,
08:29the ones who are in Singapore right now,
08:32facing money laundering cases,
08:35are in our SEC record.
08:40And yet, they are now arrested in Singapore for money laundering.
08:44And we're not talking of millions of dollars,
08:47we're talking of billions of dollars, sir.
08:49Money laundering.
08:50The two names that we saw in our SEC record.
08:57How did they get in here, Usec?
09:00These criminal syndicates,
09:03these organized crimes,
09:07and how did so many foreigners get in here in our country?
09:12Because, from what I understand from your news report,
09:17you're estimating that around 1,000 plus are in Porac Pogo.
09:22But, when we asked CIDG,
09:25they retrieved 2,300 computers.
09:29So, meaning, if you do the basic one-to-one,
09:342,300 can work there because there are computers.
09:39So, another question is,
09:41how did these syndicates get in?
09:44Particularly, this Porac Pogo Hub.
09:49And then, secondly,
09:51in your investigation,
09:53how many people are really there?
09:56Yeah, go ahead, Dr. Cascio.
10:01As of last night, Madam Chair and Honorable Senator Gatchalian,
10:05we have identified, as I earlier stated,
10:0814 persons of interest.
10:10And a good eight of them have expired passports.
10:15So, we were carefully studying their movements last night
10:21because we got reports from our friends
10:24that they were trying to go out of the Philippines
10:28via Puerto Princesa,
10:30via Davao,
10:31and via Zamboanga.
10:33In fact, one attempted to leave Zamboanga
10:40last night,
10:41but he was intercepted
10:42because he was unable to present a passport.
10:44So, all of them, so far,
10:46the bosses of this group,
10:48have no valid passports already.
10:50With regards to your earlier question, sir,
10:53how do they manage to come into the Philippines?
10:56One of our persons of interest,
10:59we can't name him yet,
11:00has been in the country since 2005.
11:03And he has been a fugitive from China since 2005.
11:07So, they predate, basically,
11:11the phenomenon of POGO,
11:13which was picked up in 2019,
11:15if you do recall.
11:16So, they predate the POGO phenomenon.
11:19But they have been here in the Philippines
11:21as a criminal organization.
11:23You are right, Mr. Gilbert.
11:25They are not ordinary criminals.
11:27This is the only first time
11:28that members of the commission,
11:30the secretariat,
11:31are getting threats
11:33that are nerve-wracking and chilling.
11:35Because these are not ordinary money launderers,
11:40Madam Chair, Your Honor.
11:42These are, honest to goodness,
11:45transnational criminals
11:47with records dating back to decades
11:49in China, Hong Kong, and Macau.
11:52So, how they were able to ally with local syndicates,
11:57we have yet to find out.
11:59So,
12:01In our record, Madam Chair,
12:04we have not found the big boss.
12:06But we know where he is.
12:08We know his movement.
12:09And we're trying to conduct a major operation soon
12:12to be able to get him.
12:14But how confident are we?
12:16We are not 100% confident.
12:18Because,
12:19they know a lot.
12:21They know our movements.
12:23They know so many things about us.
12:25So, how? We don't know.
12:31So, the person of interest for PORAC
12:35is 14.
12:3714.
12:39The 14 are with us now, sir.
12:41But we have still 3,
12:43including Cassie Lee Ong,
12:45that is not in our custody.
12:47So, we have 3 Chinese nationals
12:49that are unaccounted for so far.
12:53The 14 are all foreigners?
12:56Yes, sir.
12:57Yes, Your Honor.
12:58And they will be filed cases?
13:01We're hoping to build enough cases for all of them.
13:05But of the 14 POIs,
13:07only 2 so far
13:09have been positively identified as torturers.
13:13The other evidence that we're getting
13:15are documentary and testimonial
13:17of other people who are scattered,
13:19but not scattered, I mean,
13:21quote-unquote,
13:23friends of ours
13:25who have identified these persons in our custody
13:28as managers, bosses, and the like.
13:32How many, at one point,
13:34are here in PORAC Pogo Hub
13:36based on your interviews and investigations?
13:39Yes, sir.
13:41They should not have been lower than 1,000, Your Honor.
13:45In fact, our intel was good enough to say
13:49that when we entered PORAC,
13:52we should have gotten around that number.
13:55But we only got 161.
13:58The last one,
13:59is the one that Yousef mentioned,
14:01wanted in China.
14:04He's just pretending.
14:05He's not stealing mangoes.
14:08But upon checking with the Chinese government,
14:11he is a fugitive for very violent crimes,
14:13serious crimes.
14:15He's a member of a local triad in China.
14:19How do you siphon,
14:22how do you,
14:24how do you get 1,000 people in?
14:28What, what, what,
14:30I'm trying to imagine,
14:321,000 is not 100.
14:34You're talking about
14:36a lot of people coming in.
14:38What was their method to get in here?
14:41They are free to go around,
14:44going to PORAC,
14:45going to Bamban.
14:47What was their method to get in here?
14:52Most of them, Your Honor,
14:54originally had tourist visas
14:55that were later on converted to
14:579G visas.
14:59But then again,
15:00as the BI knows,
15:02the BI knows,
15:03the 9G visas that are associated to certain POGOs
15:06are not really for those actual POGOs.
15:11For example,
15:12for example,
15:13he has a 9G,
15:14which is said to be IT of a company
15:16that is not in the POGO
15:18where he was caught.
15:20So,
15:21there is that problem also
15:22that we have encountered.
15:24Now, the others,
15:25Your Honors,
15:26is that
15:27they just transfer from one POGO to the next.
15:31For example,
15:33this Park 3
15:35among the Chinese community,
15:37within their communities,
15:38it is known as the most prolific torture POGO.
15:41So, they are known for kidnapping,
15:43they are known for torture,
15:44murder, and the like.
15:45So, a good number of the people there
15:48are actually kidnapped victims.
15:50In fact, yesterday,
15:51our Vietnamese,
15:54at first,
15:56they were saying that they were not workers.
15:58We got a good number of Vietnamese rescuers.
16:01But then, yesterday afternoon,
16:03one had the courage to tell us
16:06that the two Chinese there,
16:08who are also said to be victims,
16:10actually were bosses.
16:12So, we were able to believe
16:14that they were also victims.
16:16But then, when they had the courage,
16:19when confronted,
16:20we said,
16:21we have to identify these two as POIs already
16:24because a good number of Vietnamese were saying
16:26that he was the one who kidnapped them,
16:28he was the one who took them.
16:30So,
16:31in summary, Your Honor,
16:33the modus could be,
16:35one,
16:36they kidnap,
16:38they buy people
16:40who are in casinos.
16:43That is the usual modus.
16:45Because these foreign nationals
16:46are fond of casinos
16:48here in the southern part of Metro Manila.
16:50If they don't have money to pay,
16:52they will get a loan shark.
16:53They will be given half a million,
16:55300,000.
16:56If they don't pay,
16:57they will be sold
16:58to these casinos.
16:59That's one.
17:00Second,
17:01they just transfer money.
17:03So,
17:04upon interview,
17:05a good number of our
17:06quote-unquote rescuers,
17:08a good number of our perpetrators
17:10have been around
17:11three, four, five POGOS.
17:13One that I have interviewed,
17:15for example,
17:16has said he has been in the Philippines
17:17since 2017,
17:19transferring from Clark,
17:20Angeles,
17:21Pasay,
17:23and so on and so forth.
17:24So,
17:25that's how it is.
17:26So,
17:27they just go around.
17:29So,
17:30that could basically explain
17:33why you're able to get
17:35a thousand there
17:36because they came from other smaller POGOS
17:38that closed shop.
17:39They transferred there.
17:41Yes, sir.
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19:27Am I correct in vegan, ma'am?
19:28Am I correct in vegan, ma'am?
19:29So, they had a good number
19:30So, they had a good number
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19:50So, they had a good number
19:56Some of your interviews
19:57Some of your interviews
19:58have a connection to these two
19:59have a connection to these two
20:00You have evidence
20:01You have evidence
20:02that they have a connection
20:03that they have a connection
20:04Can you also elaborate on that?
20:05Can you also elaborate on that?
20:06To the best of your ability
20:07To the best of your ability
20:08to answer
20:09to answer
20:10Your Honor
20:11Your Honor
20:12It's still an ongoing investigation
20:13It's still an ongoing investigation
20:14But, yeah
20:15But, yeah
20:16We can definitely say
20:17We can definitely say
20:18that based on the evidence
20:19that based on the evidence
20:20we have on hand
20:21we have on hand
20:22that the two major scum hubs
20:23that the two major scum hubs
20:24that were raided
20:25were raided
20:26by the different government agencies
20:27were raided
20:28by the different government agencies
20:29that are interconnected
20:30that are interconnected
20:31So, one is fairly benign
20:32So, one is fairly benign
20:33The other is fairly horrific
20:34The other is fairly horrific
20:35And the way we look at it
20:36And the way we look at it
20:37I can safely say
20:38I can safely say
20:39that what they're doing
20:40that what they're doing
20:41is a sharing of profits
20:42is a sharing of profits
20:43They share their profits
20:44They share their profits
20:45So, without naming
20:46So, without naming
20:47the personalities behind
20:48the personalities behind
20:49Later on
20:50Later on
20:51I am sure that the evidence
20:52I am sure that the evidence
20:53would support
20:54would support
20:55would support
20:56that some of the personalities
20:57that some of the personalities
20:58charged in Bamban
20:59charged in Bamban
21:00would also be charged
21:01would also be charged
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