" Makhsoos Nashistain. .. Makhsoos Nashistain. .., Day Do Jis Ko Bhi Deni. .. " Haider Naqvi
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00:00Okay, Mr. Nagveer, I'll come back to you.
00:02Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said a very important thing,
00:06that this is not a matter of land or a piece of land,
00:09that it's not a matter of Patwari,
00:11that he named it as land.
00:13Please listen to this first.
00:14I'll read your comments on this.
00:17Adding to that,
00:18this is not a case that Patwari has taken land from someone's inter-party
00:21and we have to see it in 185.
00:23You didn't challenge that order, you can't do it.
00:25This is not that.
00:26Please try to look at this as an election matter,
00:28as perhaps something that one has to look into.
00:30It's a sui generis.
00:31It's a different kind of set of proceedings.
00:33Go under 185.
00:35We're looking at the electorate.
00:37We're looking at the national elections.
00:40We're looking, I mean, the apex court national election,
00:42the electorate, the millions of people who voted.
00:45What I find very difficult is to look one segment of the election
00:49and ignore a very grave illegality that occurred just a minute before it,
00:54which led to that problem.
00:55So can we not attend it and close our eyes to it?
00:58Because if you open your eyes to it,
01:00if you open your eyes to it,
01:02all you have to do is that if three persons,
01:05according to the record of ECP checks,
01:08BTI becomes a party of three members or four.
01:11And then there is a party on the table
01:14and then the independents have a choice to take their vote.
01:19Everything falls in place.
01:21So if that is not what justice is, I don't know what justice is.
01:24I know it.
01:25Mr. Nagvi has said that this is not a case of Patwari.
01:29Patwari has moved the country forward and backward.
01:32This is a case of the millions of Pakistanis who have voted in Pakistan.
01:37And what Hassan was talking about,
01:40it's not that a situation has arisen because of the misinterpretation
01:46of the election commission's decision.
01:51So we ignore it.
01:52And you are saying to restrict yourself on this.
01:54Please comment.
01:55This question has been put in front of me as well.
01:57Yes, yes, I will.
01:58This question is in front of me.
01:59Sir, there are so many competent judges,
02:02so many competent lawyers.
02:04They argue from morning to evening.
02:06The whole of Pakistan watches.
02:08What should we teach them?
02:10What should we tell them?
02:11Will we show the sun a light?
02:13The thing is that the whole nation is behind this.
02:16No one cares.
02:18No one is ready to talk.
02:20No one is ready to raise a voice.
02:22No one is ready to make a decision.
02:25Petrol is expensive.
02:26Electricity is expensive.
02:27Electricity bills have increased so much
02:30that people's lives have become miserable.
02:33First, there is no electricity,
02:34then electricity bills,
02:35then inflation, and all this.
02:37Do you have a story?
02:38Listen, what difference does it make?
02:41There are about 230 seats in the National Assembly.
02:4690-92 are theirs.
02:4715-20-25 more will be given.
02:49What will they shoot?
02:50What government will they change?
02:52If they don't get it,
02:53then what else will happen?
02:56The thing is that the whole of Pakistan
02:58is behind such a truck
03:00that no one pays attention
03:02to the real problems,
03:03the problems of the people.
03:06From morning to evening,
03:07this is broadcast on TV.
03:08From evening to night,
03:09talk shows are broadcast.
03:10Nothing is happening.
03:12It's been a month, two months,
03:13three months.
03:14The same thing is happening
03:15in the special seats.
03:16In the special seats.
03:18Give these 20-25 seats to anyone.
03:21What difference does it make?
03:23There are a total of 78 seats.
03:25And the problem here is that
03:27we talk about inflation in our program
03:29every day.
03:30We will do it today as well.
03:31We have a special story.
03:32It will have a very big impact
03:34on the politics of Pakistan.
03:36The reason for this is very clear.
03:37Sir, it will have no effect.
03:39Listen.
03:40Here, judges have taken oaths
03:42and you have endorsed the whole of Mashallah.
03:44Don't talk about Mashallah.
03:47May Allah make it a strong democracy.
03:49Let it run.
03:50Don't be afraid.
03:51Don't be afraid.
03:52Okay.
03:53Viewers, if these seats are given back
03:55to the government,
03:57which was given by the Election Commission,
03:59then it becomes a two-thirds majority
04:01with the government.
04:05With a two-thirds majority,
04:07they can change the law.
04:09Sir, even if no one gets these seats,
04:11it becomes two-thirds with the assembly.
04:13Not yet, Mr. Naqvi.
04:16I am talking about the facts.
04:18Have patience.
04:19I will come.
04:20What happened?
04:21Have patience.
04:22I am not finished yet.
04:24After that,
04:25they also told about the solution.
04:27But Justice Munzur Ali Shah
04:29that those people
04:31who had affidavits
04:33and who said that we are the people of Pakistan,
04:35they were also declared free.
04:37At last,
04:39Judge Muneeb Akhtar also spoke
04:41that how can you handle
04:43That begs the question, where did that very large number of independents come from?
04:50Were they independents returned by the people or were they independents with all due respect
04:59to the election commission created by the election commission on its faulty understanding
05:05of the constitution and in particular the judgement of the supreme court which upheld
05:10their order.
05:11They said it meant this, it didn't say this, it didn't mean that at all.
05:17So you see, when we are in this realm, if this is the correct position, that this whole
05:24problem or issue is arising out of errors made by the election commission, then surely
05:31it is the, or is it not, the duty of the court, the supreme court to the extent that it is
05:38able to do that, to correct that error, to rectify the problem and if there are alternate
05:45pathways available, legally available, to choose the one that results in the error being rectified.
05:54If the question here is, Hassan, that if an error has been made by the election commission
06:02and the party has gone to the supreme court to rectify it, then who is going to rectify
06:09the error?
06:10Look, the correction of the error is...
06:12You don't understand the error.
06:14No, I'll tell you.
06:15Now, look, the chief justice had very beautiful words, yesterday and today.
06:19He said, why are we talking about this and that.
06:22Did we make an error or not?
06:24I'll tell you, I'll tell you.
06:26We are not the ones who made the constitution.
06:28There is no doubt about that.
06:29He said, sir, Article 51 of the constitution is very clear.
06:33It is very clear.
06:34I'll tell you, did we make an error by the election commission?
06:36I'll tell you.
06:37I'll ask you a question.
06:38If you don't understand Article 51, then is it better if we give our opinion on the words
06:43written there?
06:44Did we make an error by the election commission or not?
06:46Sir, Vukla says that the interpretation of Article 63A by the Supreme Court of Pakistan
06:51is intended to rewrite the constitution.
06:53Is that a mistake?
06:54Has anyone rectified it so far?
06:56So, I want to talk about Article 51.
06:59And these brother judges, these judges who are sitting with Justice Muneeb Akhtar,
07:05they criticize their judgment.
07:08I am not saying this.
07:10These judges are saying this.