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Walking on the footsteps of Alecander The Great!!!
Walking on the footsteps of Alecander The Great!!!
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00:00:00Satsang with Mooji
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00:01:05...from Kabul to Pakistan. This is the road that Alexander came down.
00:01:13That's Michael Keithley.
00:01:15Today we're heading towards Chitral Valley, where all the ancestors, Macedonians, they call them the Kala, live.
00:01:24This pass is called Marakand.
00:01:28Also, Alexander had to come through this pass. It's over 2,000 years old.
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00:03:32See any rocks falling?
00:03:39Hopefully not. Hopefully not, eh?
00:04:40What are you parking it at?
00:04:42I am parking it here.
00:04:47Okay, sir. Later.
00:04:48Later.
00:05:08Apricots drying, raisins. People are drying on the roofs for winter, I guess.
00:05:15Very common design. So very old.
00:05:21And this is Madhav. That is Madhav. That one.
00:05:25Up there. That's like a temple?
00:05:29Temple is this. This is the temple.
00:05:32This is the temple?
00:05:33We call it Anu.
00:05:35What God or Gods do you worship then? What's your religion?
00:05:43This is where they bring the dead for burial.
00:05:47That's the decoration. That's the tree that they're going to another life, according to the guide.
00:05:56What's the one guy?
00:06:03They're dancing.
00:06:09They need it for the beat.
00:06:11They said they need music. They can't dance without music.
00:06:15There's a little musician there.
00:06:42You can see the design on the wood there.
00:06:50And how they do the sacrifices.
00:06:53Just some woodwork. I thought it would be a point of interest.
00:07:11These burnt a little bit?
00:07:20One, three. But two, one, they said.
00:07:24Before, 30, 35 years before, many...
00:07:34I want to see your eyes.
00:07:36I want to see your eyes.
00:07:38Okay, that's Macedonian eyes.
00:07:46Saying that these boxes, when the dead people, they were put on top of the ground, right?
00:07:53Yeah.
00:07:54Let's see.
00:08:00This is the sunburst on the door.
00:08:06But I've spotted the Macedonian flag in the middle, which is the national flower that we call dravet.
00:08:20I hope I can see.
00:08:24I'll just focus it a little bit. I'll zoom it.
00:08:37It's not blue. I know you want it clear. It's light.
00:08:40So too bad. They have the best blue.
00:08:47This is 12,500 feet elevation.
00:08:52This is where we stopped by the hotel.
00:08:54I have to turn the camera back on so I can remember this height.
00:09:00What a road, too.
00:09:03This is the Gilgate River.
00:09:08You fall in here, and you wouldn't last five minutes.
00:09:12That's how cold it is. I couldn't even hold my hand there to grab, take enough water to wash my face.
00:09:18Pass it over. Even if you could swim, you would just die of hypothermia.
00:09:33Kicking apricots.
00:09:43These are the locals, that's Michael and Enoch.
00:09:47And I mean these trees. They're full.
00:09:50Look. I hope you can see them.
00:10:03It's like a push mountain.
00:10:33Look at their faces. All European dress code.
00:10:48All the skies gone.
00:10:52Hello.
00:11:13Hello.
00:11:15Look, look, look.
00:11:18Children of Alexander.
00:11:21Congratulations.
00:11:23You're right for your complexion.
00:11:26You're under research.
00:11:29For Einstein.
00:11:49Thank you.
00:11:58Hello.
00:12:01This is the National Flower.
00:12:04This is Port Arctic.
00:12:07It's actually over 900 years old.
00:12:11990 to be precise.
00:12:14Take a look.
00:12:19That's not proof. I don't know what it is.
00:12:24The remains.
00:12:27Nowhere else.
00:12:30It's the only place you can see this flower.
00:12:43Okay.
00:12:46This is in the area of Hunza.
00:12:49Are you aware of what the religion was like in this area before the Muslims?
00:12:53It was Buddhism.
00:12:56From Buddhist Islam.
00:12:58Definitely 100% Buddhist.
00:13:01The roadside also.
00:13:05The turbulence came down.
00:13:09Now this is snow.
00:13:11It's nothing to reckon with.
00:13:13It's not our fault.
00:13:15It's just that it's so cold here.
00:13:34Thousands of goats.
00:13:37By the way, we're heading to China with over 17,000.
00:13:41The elevation here is going to get a lot thinner.
00:13:45For a while.
00:13:48Tuxedos.
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00:14:00Tuxedos.
00:14:03Tuxedos soldiers.
00:14:06Coming in from the border.
00:14:16You haven't seen mountains.
00:14:19And mountain ranges.
00:14:22So beautiful.
00:14:31This is a valley.
00:14:34And this is more mountains.
00:14:45Look at the sky.
00:14:50The star of the sky.
00:15:00The sky.
00:15:14This is all the roads.
00:15:17All the tight roads.
00:15:20All the tight roads here.
00:15:23This is Macedonian writing.
00:15:26Believe it or not, it is.
00:15:29I'll just get closer to it.
00:15:35See it?
00:15:39What's the date on this?
00:15:412nd to 5th century AD.
00:15:43This is all 2nd to 5th?
00:15:44Yes, same time.
00:15:45Maybe 5 years more.
00:15:471800 years complete.
00:15:492nd century star, this time 95.
00:15:52Bye.
00:16:22Tuxedos.
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00:18:43I would like to see Alek Vedinovsky.
00:18:45At least here at the airport,
00:18:47there is someone who wants to talk to you.
00:18:49He went there,
00:18:51and he was an Indian
00:18:53who
00:18:55studied at New Delhi University
00:18:57when he was young.
00:18:59We met there
00:19:01and he told me, Steve,
00:19:03you need to go
00:19:05and see with your own eyes what is there.
00:19:07I was,
00:19:09when I was young, I saw it,
00:19:11he wrote a letter
00:19:13to the National Geographic
00:19:15at the Smithsonian Institute
00:19:17here in Washington.
00:19:19He said, we don't understand anything.
00:19:21There are people with their own eyes.
00:19:23There are people
00:19:25who don't understand anything.
00:19:27There is an architecture show there,
00:19:29but we don't understand anything.
00:19:31You need to go.
00:19:33I started to cry.
00:19:35He said,
00:19:37you can't sleep, we need to start.
00:19:39And
00:19:41we
00:19:43went to
00:19:45the city of Tarnaya
00:19:47and we called Michael Keatley.
00:19:49After one week,
00:19:51we called Michael Keatley.
00:19:53Little by little,
00:19:55we got to know each other
00:19:57and we started
00:19:59in July.
00:20:01I forgot the date.
00:20:03We went there
00:20:05to a city,
00:20:07in Pakistan,
00:20:09it's called Rawalpindi.
00:20:11Islamabad is
00:20:13close to there.
00:20:15It's another city.
00:20:19I was there
00:20:21with three of us.
00:20:23It was raining a lot
00:20:25at the time we went there.
00:20:27It was monsoon.
00:20:29The rain
00:20:31just came.
00:20:33You can see there,
00:20:35there is a river there.
00:20:37There is a jeep going up and down.
00:20:41When we started in Rawalpindi,
00:20:43we went up.
00:20:45The first place we stopped
00:20:47was the place
00:20:49where Alexander's army
00:20:51was made.
00:20:53It's still there.
00:20:55We stopped there
00:20:57and we saw him.
00:20:59He said,
00:21:01it's strange,
00:21:03I want to go to the same place
00:21:05as Alexander.
00:21:07I want to go there
00:21:09to make a movie.
00:21:11We went up
00:21:13and we saw
00:21:15two places.
00:21:17Macedonians
00:21:19were still in Pakistan.
00:21:21There were Macedonians
00:21:23in Afghanistan and in India.
00:21:25But for me,
00:21:27I wanted to go to that place.
00:21:29Now,
00:21:31on Alexander's way
00:21:33from Macedonia,
00:21:35there is a stop
00:21:37up and down 7000 miles.
00:21:41We are going up and down
00:21:43200 miles.
00:21:45We are looking for it.
00:21:47If you think about it,
00:21:49if you come here,
00:21:51what else is there
00:21:53in the old times?
00:21:55If you start from Afghanistan,
00:21:57or from Egypt,
00:21:59where Alexander made
00:22:01the city on its name,
00:22:03there is a lot.
00:22:09Today,
00:22:11on the way there,
00:22:13we came to a place
00:22:15in a mountain.
00:22:17When we got there,
00:22:19they said,
00:22:21what are you looking for?
00:22:23We said,
00:22:25we don't know.
00:22:27They said,
00:22:29there is something there.
00:22:31We don't know.
00:22:33The Pakistani people
00:22:35don't speak.
00:22:37We stopped there.
00:22:39We looked at the view.
00:22:41You see the clothes,
00:22:43how they are dressed.
00:22:45The Pakistani people
00:22:47don't dress like that.
00:22:49They have other Muslim clothes.
00:22:51We saw
00:22:53what is there.
00:22:55We are not
00:22:57Kalash.
00:22:59We are not Pakistani.
00:23:01We are not Muslim.
00:23:03It is strange,
00:23:05that both countries
00:23:07don't have the same
00:23:09identity.
00:23:11In order to
00:23:13understand each other,
00:23:15to stand together,
00:23:17they came to
00:23:19this place,
00:23:21to Alexander.
00:23:23They said,
00:23:25we are not
00:23:27older than him.
00:23:29We are from his army.
00:23:31How many people
00:23:33were in his army?
00:23:35About 30,000 soldiers
00:23:37were in his army.
00:23:39When they got
00:23:41to this place,
00:23:43they said,
00:23:45some of his soldiers
00:23:47were older than me.
00:23:49He said,
00:23:51if you want,
00:23:53you can stay here.
00:23:55They stayed in this place.
00:23:57They stayed in another place.
00:23:59It was in the last
00:24:01time of the Macedonian Empire.
00:24:03They were soldiers.
00:24:05They were older than me,
00:24:07about 100 years.
00:24:09To
00:24:11accept each other
00:24:13as friends,
00:24:15he said,
00:24:17I have
00:24:19posters
00:24:21on my table.
00:24:23Do you remember?
00:24:25These women were
00:24:27dressed as Zamanian girls.
00:24:29I showed them to him.
00:24:31He said, do you understand?
00:24:33They said,
00:24:35he is our soldier.
00:24:37I brought him
00:24:39from Macedonia.
00:24:41I have
00:24:43the flag of the sun.
00:24:45We jumped back.
00:24:49He said,
00:24:51do you see?
00:24:53I have the flag of our flag.
00:24:55This is the flag of the flag of
00:24:57Aleksandar.
00:24:59We are very proud of it.
00:25:01His beard was blue.
00:25:05He said,
00:25:07let's have a drink.
00:25:09He said,
00:25:11you stay here.
00:25:13We don't hide from the state, but we don't make our own wine here.
00:25:21In September we'll make a party, and in the New Year we'll drink.
00:25:24I don't know if we'll find a glass.
00:25:29We'll wait for an hour, and we'll see where we'll go.
00:25:32We'll do whatever we want.
00:25:34We'll go to the bar, we'll find a bottle somewhere,
00:25:37a small bottle to drink here.
00:25:41I'll open it, and we'll drink.
00:25:44We'll find a bottle with a bottle cap,
00:25:47and we'll hold on to it.
00:25:49Remember, the kids will hold on to it.
00:25:52All three of us, me, Michael, and Terence,
00:25:55we'll drink wine, and we'll tell each other
00:25:57that we're the cleanest Macedonians.
00:25:59And we'll go to some bar,
00:26:01and we'll go there.
00:26:03But at the bar, there's another guy,
00:26:05he's filming, and he's in the dark,
00:26:07and he can't be seen on camera.
00:26:09I was there, young and old,
00:26:11when I was writing the book,
00:26:13I was in a small circle,
00:26:15and there were three of us,
00:26:17and we were spinning,
00:26:19but we didn't know how to spin the wheel.
00:26:22And there were two dicks,
00:26:24and the wheel was spinning,
00:26:26and we were playing.
00:26:28And the kids were just playing,
00:26:30they didn't know what to do.
00:26:32I didn't know their names,
00:26:34because they were Macedonians.
00:26:37And they came to me,
00:26:39and they were either happy,
00:26:41or sad, or I don't know,
00:26:43they were crying,
00:26:45and they came to me,
00:26:47and they said,
00:26:49you are the cleanest Macedonians,
00:26:51and we are the messengers.
00:26:53And they said,
00:26:55you are the cleanest.
00:26:57And we went to the mountain,
00:26:59and they said,
00:27:01what do you believe in?
00:27:03We believe in God.
00:27:06You know,
00:27:08they were there before Christianity,
00:27:10Christ was not born yet,
00:27:12300 years ago.
00:27:14And they said,
00:27:16what do you believe in?
00:27:18I asked David,
00:27:20and he said,
00:27:22we believe in God,
00:27:24and we believe that if you are good,
00:27:26on this earth,
00:27:28you will go to a much better place.
00:27:30But if you are not good,
00:27:32on this earth,
00:27:34there is no peace in your life.
00:27:36When you die,
00:27:38there is no peace.
00:27:40And I said,
00:27:42as Christians,
00:27:44we believe in God,
00:27:46and we all believe in God,
00:27:48and we believe in God.
00:27:50And they said to me,
00:27:52I didn't sit there,
00:27:54they said,
00:27:56when they die,
00:27:58they bury them in the ground.
00:28:00They bury them in the ground,
00:28:02and when they come back home,
00:28:04they start to bury them
00:28:06in the ground.
00:28:08And there,
00:28:10if you know,
00:28:12on the map,
00:28:14there is a white kalash,
00:28:16there is the sign,
00:28:18if you know,
00:28:20it is the truth,
00:28:22you can't hide anything.
00:28:24In the middle of the green,
00:28:26there is the cross,
00:28:28and the sign,
00:28:30I know it,
00:28:32and there,
00:28:34I said,
00:28:36I know it,
00:28:38I know it,
00:28:40and I said,
00:28:42anyway.
00:28:44From there,
00:28:46I started,
00:28:48what should I say,
00:28:50to understand some of the details
00:28:52of our language,
00:28:54of its essence.
00:28:56Its essence is clear,
00:28:58if each one of us,
00:29:00from the year,
00:29:02from the second year,
00:29:04wants to go back,
00:29:06just to sit there,
00:29:08to live with these people,
00:29:10to understand them,
00:29:12because we are much more beautiful
00:29:14than they are.
00:29:16But we don't have time
00:29:18to speak their language.
00:29:20When we go there,
00:29:22to open it.
00:29:24But,
00:29:26the linguist,
00:29:28from Australia,
00:29:30he says,
00:29:32each Macedonian wants to go back,
00:29:34I don't know,
00:29:36what will we do there.
00:29:38And,
00:29:40I don't know,
00:29:42my friends,
00:29:44when they are president,
00:29:46or king,
00:29:48they say,
00:29:50peace.
00:29:52What is peace?
00:29:54I don't know,
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00:37:55One thing that needs to be
00:37:57kept in mind about this whole thing
00:37:59is that nobody doubts
00:38:01that Alexander was in this area.
00:38:03Nobody doubts that he left
00:38:05soldiers behind,
00:38:06and nobody doubts the influence
00:38:08of Macedonian culture in this area.
00:38:10What I'm going to show you tonight
00:38:12is something a little bit new.
00:38:14And that is a connection
00:38:16to the Macedonians of Europe
00:38:18and Macedonian culture in general in the West.
00:38:23And this is, we're gonna start from the same street,
00:38:25streets Steve left you off on.
00:38:28This is one of the connections on the Silk Road
00:38:30that we were told Alexander marched down.
00:38:37One of the first things that caught our attention
00:38:40when we arrived in the Kalash Valley
00:38:42was the guide took us immediately
00:38:43to where he felt the soul of the Kalash people were.
00:38:46And this is a dancing floor.
00:38:48We asked him what type of dances they did
00:38:51and if some of the girls could show us a dance.
00:38:54I saw them dancing a little bit in the movie.
00:38:56They were a little bit embarrassed
00:38:58in front of us to do that,
00:38:59but they began dancing in auto.
00:39:02That was one of the first signs we got
00:39:04that we had really found something.
00:39:06Their costumes, if you look at this slide from Macedonia,
00:39:10I want you to pay attention to Alexander's hat.
00:39:13This is considered a typically Macedonian style hat
00:39:16called a kousia commonly.
00:39:18It's flat and broad brimmed.
00:39:21These are some Macedonian helmets.
00:39:23Look at the one on the right in particular
00:39:25with the sort of knob at the top of it.
00:39:29And now look at the headdresses of the Kalash girls.
00:39:33They style their hair in imitation of the helmets
00:39:37around the front and hanging down in front.
00:39:39They have braids which imitate the fillets
00:39:42or the ribbons that the Macedonian soldiers wore.
00:39:46From the back, they put their hair in a large bun
00:39:49to imitate the shape of a Macedonian helmet.
00:39:52And from the side, it looked just like the helmet
00:39:53I showed you a minute ago.
00:39:59In the Chitral Valley, the girls wear similar headdresses.
00:40:04They also wear a flat hat with a woolen ball on top
00:40:06to imitate the helmet.
00:40:08And the Chitrali men, like this gentleman here,
00:40:11wear a feather in their hats to signify
00:40:14that they are descendants of Alexander's soldiers.
00:40:16The feather's an imitation of the plume
00:40:18on a Macedonian warrior's helmet.
00:40:21As far as the language, we had some difficulties
00:40:26in figuring out what the connection was linguistically.
00:40:30That was one of our main interests.
00:40:31Part of the difficulties were that we got in there late
00:40:34because of the monsoon.
00:40:36We didn't have enough time to really thoroughly
00:40:38research the language.
00:40:39There's also not quite enough known
00:40:41about the ancient Macedonian language yet
00:40:44to really compare.
00:40:45There's a 2,000-year separation
00:40:47between the Macedonians of Europe
00:40:49and their descendants in Asia.
00:40:52Sometimes we had to deal with translators
00:40:55through more than one language.
00:40:56Some of them spoke Urdu, some Burushaski,
00:40:59some Kalashi, some Persian.
00:41:01And we had to go back and forth
00:41:02through more than one person sometimes
00:41:04to try to understand and communicate with each other.
00:41:07We did, however, find some common words
00:41:10in the short time that we were there.
00:41:13Some examples are baba and dedo, and also mir.
00:41:18They still haven't forgotten their babas and dedos
00:41:20after all these years.
00:41:22In the Kalash Valley, the guide told me
00:41:29he was educated by his village elders
00:41:32that his language was half Persian and half Macedonian
00:41:36because the soldiers Alexander left behind
00:41:39obviously were Macedonian.
00:41:41And they took Persian wives.
00:41:42And he was taught specifically,
00:41:43he had to memorize which word was Persian,
00:41:46which word was Macedonian.
00:41:47So he's preparing a book of the whole list for me
00:41:50that'll hopefully be here soon.
00:41:52This slide here is in Tashila.
00:41:55Tashila was about as far as Alexander went.
00:41:58And we found an inscription at the bottom of this buddha
00:42:01in a language the guide said was Karoshi.
00:42:03And he didn't know anything about it.
00:42:05He said it's undeciphered, I don't know what it says,
00:42:08I don't know what the letters are.
00:42:10So I did a little bit of research on Karoshi
00:42:12and basically that's what most scholars have concluded.
00:42:15They don't know exactly what language it is.
00:42:18They know it's related to Aramaic,
00:42:19the language that some of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in.
00:42:22They know it was a very prominent language
00:42:24starting ironically about 300 BC
00:42:27and continuing, they're not sure until when.
00:42:31There are a lot of writings found in Karoshi
00:42:33up until about 500 AD, so roughly 1500 years ago.
00:42:40Religion is also very important
00:42:41to the Macedonians in Europe.
00:42:43This is a picture of Mount Olympus here,
00:42:44which I think is one of the best symbols of that.
00:42:46There were a lot of international religions,
00:42:49there were a lot of cults from different cultures
00:42:50and countries that were available in cities in Macedonia.
00:42:56The Macedonians themselves seemed to favor
00:42:59the cult of a god called Dionysus
00:43:01who promised them certain things.
00:43:04They had to go to confession,
00:43:06they had to swear sort of an oath of morality,
00:43:09and they were promised an afterlife, promised immortality.
00:43:12That was one of the things that they,
00:43:14beliefs that they firmly held to.
00:43:17And this crater shows you a little bit
00:43:19of the heavenly ecstasy they were promised
00:43:22if they followed the cult of Dionysus.
00:43:25One of the things that makes the worship of Dionysus
00:43:27peculiar, particular in Macedonia,
00:43:30is that supposedly they worshiped with tame snakes.
00:43:33And that's something that the Macedonians
00:43:34alone seemed to have done.
00:43:37The interesting thing that we found in Pakistan
00:43:40was that when we got there,
00:43:41we found the same symbol of the serpent.
00:43:43We'll get to some of those in a second.
00:43:46The most important oracular site
00:43:48or site where you could tell the future,
00:43:49be told the future from the god,
00:43:51was the site of Dodona,
00:43:53where an oak god was worshiped under the name Dion,
00:43:55which is the same name as the city I showed you
00:43:57the site of Mount Olympus from a minute ago.
00:43:59Dion was a god who spoke to the Macedonians
00:44:03who were called Selimi from Selo village.
00:44:06And they took care of his temple
00:44:07and he spoke to them by rustling the leaves.
00:44:09So the leaves and branches are another important symbol.
00:44:13Later on, when St. Paul came to Macedonia,
00:44:16they quickly converted to Christianity,
00:44:18which promised a lot of the same things,
00:44:20though it was a slightly different religion.
00:44:23In the Kalash Valley, we found the same thing.
00:44:26One of the second sites we visited
00:44:28was this temple in the first village.
00:44:31If you look very closely in this one,
00:44:33you can see that they stick some branches
00:44:35on the side of the temple and decorate inside.
00:44:38The Kalash people also explained to us
00:44:41that they believed in one god whose name is Hodai,
00:44:44that he promises them an eternal life, immortality,
00:44:48a reward for good moral lives during their lifetime.
00:44:53And they also have to follow certain strict rules
00:44:56like confession and prayer.
00:44:58This is a shot of the altar
00:45:01that's higher than the temple in the mountain.
00:45:05And this is a side view of the sacrificial place
00:45:08where they burn branches to their gods.
00:45:11To the right there, you can see an example
00:45:13of a carving dedicated to an ancestor.
00:45:16The Kalash people are very devoted to their ancestors.
00:45:19They're very aware of who they're descended from,
00:45:21and they cling to that.
00:45:22And these wooden carvings are examples of that.
00:45:28And this is a close-up shot.
00:45:30They also placed these in their cemeteries
00:45:32one year after the death of a father.
00:45:35It was a way of honoring him and remembering him.
00:45:38And unfortunately, the Pakistani government came in
00:45:40and took all of them except this one.
00:45:42This is the only one left.
00:45:46This is a close-up shot of the high altar
00:45:48in the place of prayer.
00:45:50Only men are allowed to come up here and pray
00:45:52on behalf of the whole villages, the three villages.
00:45:55When I looked at this, I saw something.
00:45:58I don't know what you all think,
00:46:00but to me, this looked like a chariot
00:46:03with the four horses in front.
00:46:04And so I asked him, are you still worshiping Alexander?
00:46:08He immediately got very offended and said,
00:46:10no, no, this is to Hodeidah, this is his.
00:46:13I think the design of the altar, though,
00:46:15definitely reflects their connection to Macedonia.
00:46:22Okay, I mentioned that serpents were a peculiar part
00:46:25of worship in the cult of Dionysus in Macedonia.
00:46:28And this was a bowl we found in the Hunza Valley.
00:46:30If you look closely, there are two serpents
00:46:32twining around it, and it's also decorated with zdravets.
00:46:40Okay, we found similar things in Tashila.
00:46:43Tashila itself, the name, ta means worship,
00:46:46and shila means serpent.
00:46:47And it was known as the place where the people worship
00:46:50using snakes, tame snakes.
00:46:52And the guide himself told me that there.
00:46:55He said, and this is a direct quote, I wrote it down
00:46:58because I thought it was fascinating.
00:46:59He said that they had been taught by Alexander himself
00:47:02to worship a god who sometimes took the form of a serpent
00:47:06and used tame snakes in ritual.
00:47:07That's an exact quote from the guide in Tashila.
00:47:11Later on, Tashila became a center of Buddhism,
00:47:14and finally, it's a Muslim center.
00:47:18Okay, the governments in both Macedonia
00:47:21and in the Kalash Valley and in Chitral and in Hunza
00:47:24all have the same characteristics.
00:47:26I've talked before about Philip and Alexander, for example.
00:47:29One of their characteristics,
00:47:31they're not only political leaders and military leaders,
00:47:33but also religious leaders,
00:47:35and the people had easy access to them.
00:47:37You could walk up and talk to a Macedonian leader
00:47:39in the street.
00:47:41They didn't have security, they didn't have bodyguards.
00:47:43They didn't feel they needed them.
00:47:45When Steve and I went to Hunza,
00:47:47we wanted to meet with Amir,
00:47:48and we only had about two days to meet with him,
00:47:50so we couldn't call ahead
00:47:51and make an appointment or anything.
00:47:53So we literally walked up to this gate
00:47:56and walked up to his house and asked to talk to him.
00:47:59Nobody hindered us, nobody stopped us
00:48:02and said, you can't go here.
00:48:04I was happy nobody shot at us or turned dogs loose on us
00:48:07like would probably happen somewhere else.
00:48:10Amir was very friendly.
00:48:11He came down in a pair of jogging pants
00:48:13and a T-shirt and barefoot to talk to us.
00:48:16He didn't put on any airs whatsoever.
00:48:18He seemed in shock that Macedonians
00:48:21had come there to talk to him,
00:48:23and he agreed to see us the very next morning,
00:48:24and we spent a couple hours talking with him in his office
00:48:27to learn about his style of rule.
00:48:29And he told us without any prompting,
00:48:31and it's exactly what I just said,
00:48:32my people are free to walk up to my house
00:48:34and see me anytime they have a problem,
00:48:37anytime they need to talk to me about something,
00:48:39they come to advise me.
00:48:41So he's very open.
00:48:43We heard the same thing in the Kalash Valley,
00:48:46and we heard the same thing in Chitral.
00:48:48In Chitral, in fact, we stayed at the prince's fort,
00:48:53and he came out and talked to us,
00:48:54as did his son, for quite some time,
00:48:56and we had a good exchange with both of them.
00:48:59As far as education,
00:49:01this particular shot comes from southern Italy.
00:49:03It's supposedly a Macedonian palace.
00:49:06Alexander, his mother Olympias, and Aristotle
00:49:10basically learning together.
00:49:13Each of the areas we went to in Pakistan
00:49:15emphasized education.
00:49:19Dow, the guy there with me in the Kalash Valley,
00:49:22explained to me that he was raised
00:49:25to be a teacher of his people,
00:49:27and everybody was educated.
00:49:29The women were educated also,
00:49:31which is a major difference from other ancient cultures.
00:49:33Women were given education too.
00:49:35In the Hunza Valley, if a man has a boy and a girl
00:49:39and he can only afford to educate one,
00:49:40he educates the girl, which is interesting,
00:49:43so that she can go out and survive.
00:49:44He figures the boy is strong enough
00:49:46to survive on his own if he has to.
00:49:48So the women were even educated first in Hunza.
00:49:51Everybody is given the advantages of education.
00:49:54In Hunza, a very small area,
00:49:56the mirror told me he has two colleges.
00:49:59He has seven high schools
00:50:01and 60 middle and elementary schools.
00:50:05Okay, the status of women I've already mentioned.
00:50:07In ancient Macedonia, women like Olympias,
00:50:10Alexander's mother, had a lot of power.
00:50:12Some of them fought in wars, led armies.
00:50:15They had total equality with the men.
00:50:17In Hunza and in the Kalash Valley,
00:50:21and in Jitral also, the women spoke freely with us.
00:50:25For those of you that don't know
00:50:26a lot about Muslim culture in Pakistan,
00:50:29they're under the pot of the system,
00:50:30which means the women cover their heads.
00:50:32When we drove by, a lot of times the women
00:50:34would hold their hands up or their shawls
00:50:35over their heads too and turn their backs.
00:50:37Even if they were carrying huge bales of hay
00:50:39on their heads on the side of a mountain,
00:50:41they would turn and duck so we couldn't see them.
00:50:44In the areas though where they claim descent
00:50:46from the Macedonians, the women did not cover their heads.
00:50:48They came up and spoke to us
00:50:50and they were very friendly in talking with us
00:50:53and very knowledgeable and educated.
00:50:58One of the things that really convinced me,
00:51:00I'm gonna start closing with,
00:51:03and that is the art and architecture.
00:51:05This is a shot of the remains of the palace
00:51:07at Pella in Macedonia.
00:51:09The column style there is called the Ionic Column.
00:51:13This is another shot from the other side.
00:51:15The Ionic Column was very popular
00:51:17among the Macedonians of Alexander's time.
00:51:21In Southern Italy where they painted pictures
00:51:22of the interior of Macedonian palaces,
00:51:25you see the Ionic Column.
00:51:30When we went to Hunza, we were shown this fort at Altid,
00:51:33one of the oldest forts in the area.
00:51:38In the bedroom of the royal family,
00:51:40where the state's about 1,000 years ago,
00:51:42in the bedroom they wanted to keep their art
00:51:45and the style of the royal family's bedroom
00:51:47as authentic as possible,
00:51:49and you find an Ionic Column carved
00:51:51in the very bedroom of the royal family itself.
00:51:56Okay, I mentioned that vines and branches
00:51:58were used in worship in Macedonia.
00:52:00This is a mosaic depicting a girl
00:52:04just called, referred to as the maiden,
00:52:06who actually turns into branches.
00:52:08In the Kalash Valley, and again,
00:52:10this is an exact quote from the guide there,
00:52:12he said, Alexander taught us to worship with these,
00:52:15to use branches to get them from the mountains
00:52:18and bring them down to the temples.
00:52:20Okay, and this is another example of branches
00:52:22used in Macedonia in worship,
00:52:24in the crowns that they wore.
00:52:27This is the doorway to another temple
00:52:30in another village in the Kalash Valley,
00:52:32and you can see that branches overhang the top of it,
00:52:35and they're also stuck in the interior.
00:52:39In the temple, there's a column
00:52:41with a branch drawn on it.
00:52:43It's a tradition on holidays in the Kalash Valley
00:52:46for the children to take the ends of burnt sticks
00:52:49and draw in the temples and decorate them
00:52:51for Haldai, for their god,
00:52:52and one of the things they frequently draw
00:52:54are branches and vines.
00:53:00The horse is another common symbol,
00:53:02putting the horse's heads to decorate
00:53:04in Macedonian temples.
00:53:06There are a couple quick ones here
00:53:07from the island of Tasos.
00:53:09Some of them have wings
00:53:10and look a little more like griffins.
00:53:13In the Kalash temples,
00:53:16you also have carvings of horse's heads,
00:53:17and think back to the altar, too.
00:53:19It had the four horse's heads like a chariot.
00:53:23And notice the branches there, too, stuck in.
00:53:28Other animals were popular.
00:53:30Sometimes the god Dionysus represented himself as a bull,
00:53:33and this is another mosaic from Macedonia.
00:53:37Other popular animals would be leopards and lions,
00:53:41and this is the top of the Derveni Crater
00:53:43I showed you earlier with a parade of animals
00:53:45surrounded by branches.
00:53:49In the Kalash temples,
00:53:50the children also draw pictures of the same animals.
00:53:57Some symbols, more than others, I think,
00:54:00show a Macedonian national or ethnic consciousness,
00:54:05and I think Philip II's burial lanyx
00:54:08shows those symbols the best of all.
00:54:11Some of you all recognize the sunburst on the top
00:54:13with the zdravets in the center.
00:54:15Notice the vines and the lion's paws for the bases.
00:54:21Okay, all of these were found in the Kalash Valley,
00:54:24in the Chitral Valley, and in Hunza.
00:54:28Also in southern Italy, you see the same things.
00:54:31I threw this slide in to show you that, too.
00:54:33This is a picture, supposedly,
00:54:34of the palace in Alexandria, Egypt,
00:54:37with the same symbols, the sunburst.
00:54:39If you look carefully, they look like griffins
00:54:41at first on top of the podium.
00:54:43Study them, and they have horse's heads,
00:54:45and the rear part of the body is a lion.
00:54:48You also see the shield with the sunburst
00:54:50and the vines going around the columns.
00:54:54This is the national flag of Hunza,
00:54:57very similar to Alexander's flag that he carried.
00:55:00The lion was on their flag
00:55:02until the Pakistani government took them over,
00:55:03and they weren't allowed to use that anymore.
00:55:07This, you have to look a little bit closely at.
00:55:09I think my flash is a little too bright,
00:55:10but this is a shot from Tashila,
00:55:14where you see the sunburst drawn into stone.
00:55:17These date almost 2,000 years ago,
00:55:20a few centuries after Alexander.
00:55:25Again, this bowl here we found in Hunza
00:55:27shows not only the serpents,
00:55:29but some vines and the stravets.
00:55:37This is a carving of the stravets in the temple,
00:55:40one of the carvings we saw in the temple
00:55:41in the Kalash Valley.
00:55:43The first temple we went in
00:55:45had maybe three or four of these.
00:55:46The second temple we went in had almost two dozen.
00:55:50In the second temple, in addition to our guide,
00:55:52one of the village elders walked in
00:55:53and wanted to know what we were doing
00:55:54in the temple and so on.
00:55:56The guide explained to him what we were doing.
00:55:58I said, ask him if he knows what this is,
00:56:00and the guide asked him, and he said no.
00:56:02He had no idea.
00:56:03The guide asked him, and he said no.
00:56:05He had no idea, but it was a symbol
00:56:07that they used 500 generations ago,
00:56:10and that's how they express Alexander's time.
00:56:12They don't say 4th century B.C.
00:56:14They say 500 generations ago.
00:56:16I said, does he know what it means?
00:56:17He said, no.
00:56:18We always carve those, though.
00:56:19They're very sacred.
00:56:20It's a very powerful symbol,
00:56:22and I told him what it was.
00:56:23It was a stravets, a symbol of Macedonia,
00:56:26and they were in shock.
00:56:27They were thrilled to find out at last what that was.
00:56:31Okay, I'm gonna end here with some general shots
00:56:35of the valleys that we traveled through.
00:56:37In conclusion, I went on this trip
00:56:40expecting it to be a false story.
00:56:42I have to confess that.
00:56:43You hear a lot of touristy type stories
00:56:46about places that really have no basis in fact.
00:56:50I came away convinced that these people
00:56:52are descendants of the Macedonians
00:56:54based on the summation of everything we found.
00:56:57You can say the Ionic Column is found
00:57:00in other areas, for example,
00:57:01but to find all of these things together
00:57:04that you find in Macedonia,
00:57:06painted in southern Italy,
00:57:07and painted in Pakistan, and carved in Pakistan
00:57:10is a significant find and needs to be compared more
00:57:14and studied more.
00:57:15The people's love of dancing,
00:57:17their manner of dress and imitation of the armor
00:57:20of the Macedonian soldiers,
00:57:22the ancient Macedonian language,
00:57:24the words that we found
00:57:25that connect with the modern language.
00:57:28Their similar religious beliefs in their government,
00:57:31their love and respect for education
00:57:33and the equal status of women,
00:57:35their common art, their common symbols,
00:57:37especially the typically ethnically Macedonian symbols
00:57:41that we found with such great frequency,
00:57:43which they held with such reverence.
00:57:45All of that gave me the lasting impression
00:57:47that their tradition is true,
00:57:49that we did find descendants
00:57:50of Alexander's soldiers in Pakistan.
00:57:53And Steve and I made a connection
00:57:55that we don't think has ever been completely made before,
00:57:59and I hope that that certainly continues.
00:58:02Thank you.
00:58:03Thank you.
00:58:04Thank you.
00:58:04Thank you.
00:58:05Thank you.
00:58:06Thank you.
00:58:07Thank you.
00:58:08Thank you.
00:58:09Thank you.
00:58:10Thank you.
00:58:10Thank you.
00:58:11Thank you.
00:58:12Thank you.
00:58:13I'd like to mention that there's articles there, Steve.
00:58:17There are articles on each table.
00:58:20Did you write some articles?
00:58:22Hmm?
00:58:23Michael's writing an itch book somewhere.
00:58:24Your articles are there too, you're right.
00:58:27Steve wrote an article too that says
00:58:29on a table there with Michael.
00:58:32Now this thing is astounding.
00:58:34Now, you can go to the library
00:58:38and look up the National Geographic magazine
00:58:42and they have the index book and just look up Hansa
00:58:47and you'll see where different years
00:58:50where they talk about Hansas.
00:58:54And you can read it for yourselves.
00:58:57It's very important that we as Macedonians
00:59:02start to learn and read and not listen
00:59:04to what other people tell us.
00:59:07Because as I said, I found words in here
00:59:11that are 1,400 BC.
00:59:15I've got about nine or 10 copies,
00:59:16but during caravan, I'll have all the copies you want.
00:59:22And it's very important to see these words.
00:59:27You won't believe it.
00:59:29Now this is the point.
00:59:31If we have words 1,400 BC,
00:59:37how can they say that the Macedonian
00:59:41is a Bulgarian language or something like that?
00:59:43I don't want to get into politics,
00:59:45but you can see for yourself.
00:59:48Okay, Steve.
00:59:50Thank you.
00:59:51Thank you,ства.
00:59:53Thank you, thank you.
00:59:56Any questions?
00:59:59On what you saw, we have to stick to the trip.
01:00:03We can't get out of it because this is what we saw,
01:00:07that's what we showed you.
01:00:08If there's any confused, I can explain it.
01:00:11A primer I can do, Neser.
01:00:15Kipенная, nomen?
01:00:16One, I think, we would like to see a war of actually picture-taking, you know, how they did it.
01:00:25Why did they do it?
01:00:27Or what?
01:00:29Or what?
01:00:36It was dark.
01:00:46That's the reason I couldn't do it.
01:00:49I didn't go prepared with all the lights and everything else.
01:00:56And I remember, Michael, that the Pakistani government didn't want to play with fire.
01:01:05No, Pakistan didn't want to play with fire because it knew only to burn.
01:01:09That's why they played with fire and didn't burn.
01:01:17I'm sorry, that's what they told us.
01:01:22Thank you.
01:01:36The interpreters that you had, where did you have...
01:01:41Did these people have some trust with the commission or were they government people
01:01:47similar to other countries when you visited parts of Macedonia?
01:01:51No.
01:01:52Were they considered suspicious type of people?
01:01:55The interpreter in Kalash Valley, he is a local person that he got his education.
01:02:03I think the village people put up a little money and he was actually very free, free with us.
01:02:09But when they opened up, when they realized who we were, they don't actually open up just to anybody.
01:02:15They have to feel warm to convince them that they were comfortable with us.
01:02:21In the remote areas where there was, actually in some places, tribal warfare.
01:02:28We were in Kashmir, we just got about picked up.
01:02:33We saw two jeeps loaded with rocket launchers.
01:02:36They were coming this way, we're going that way.
01:02:38And I thought, oh boy, where are we heading?
01:02:40It was actually the area where they captured about five tourists and they beheaded one,
01:02:45which was the other side of the mountain.
01:02:53Okay, so at the mirror, when I spoke, he would be willing to correspond back and forth.
01:03:02As a matter of fact, his questions were, what can we trade with Macedonia?
01:03:07And I said, we have tobacco, we have jams, we have clothing, we have shoes, everything else.
01:03:12And he was surprised that we were actually advanced compared to the Hunza people, the land.
01:03:20So, again, it's up to the Macedonians all over the world.
01:03:25If they want to make contacts, the possibilities are there.
01:03:28And I don't think it's going to end right here.
01:03:31There will be contacts, and many of them.
01:03:38Did they know those people?
01:03:39We were the first to introduce ourselves.
01:03:45No one else went there.
01:03:50I heard that about ten years ago, the Greek government had sent somebody over there,
01:03:55and they tried to find out if they were Greeks.
01:04:00And I find out that Mir, the person who was in charge,
01:04:04told them from the Kalash people and Hunza, the whole region,
01:04:09that they say that they were Macedonians, not Greeks.
01:04:13Now, do you heard something like that?
01:04:16Can Michael answer, or you, Steve?
01:04:20As I said earlier, I confess that I didn't really believe the story before I went.
01:04:24And one of the things that Steve and I were very careful to do,
01:04:27when we went into an area, we didn't go in waving our hands,
01:04:29screaming, we're Macedonians, we're here, look at us, look at this.
01:04:32I would just take the tour, ask them some questions,
01:04:37like where's the heart of your people, what defines your people,
01:04:40and let them tell us who they were.
01:04:42And they all said Macedonian.
01:04:44We didn't tell them that.
01:04:45They said that.
01:04:58International, ladies and gentlemen.
01:05:07I believe, listen to me.
01:05:09Mir, to come to him, let's be honest,
01:05:13his place is to bring Macedonia.
01:05:17There is his place for the whole country.
01:05:22This is Macedonia, not Kosovo, you see.
01:05:25Kosovo is a country.
01:05:28There is a lot of people, a lot of people.
01:05:31It's not the same roots.
01:05:33In Macedonia, the roots are the same.
01:05:35But it's not bad to have connections with Macedonia.
01:05:40Anyway.
01:05:41Tony.
01:05:44I would like to congratulate you for your bravery,
01:05:48your intelligence, and your commitment
01:05:53as the first Macedonians to go to this province,
01:05:57to this part of the world.
01:05:59Because I recognized that in the morning
01:06:02they were made, and other people went,
01:06:06that this part of the world, for other reasons,
01:06:12not Macedonians, but other nationalities,
01:06:16for research on why these people live in the New Year.
01:06:22On average, these people are about 120-130 years old.
01:06:28One of them is John Tobey,
01:06:32who was a pharmacist, a doctor,
01:06:38who was engaged in the study of rashes and blemishes.
01:06:44He went there to see how these people live.
01:06:50This man wrote 19 books,
01:06:53one of which is called The Paradise of Hansa.
01:07:02It's from St. Cadmus in Canada,
01:07:05which came from Poland,
01:07:07who went there twice
01:07:10and was preparing for the third time.
01:07:13In the meantime, he published this book,
01:07:16and when it came to the knowledge of the head of Greece,
01:07:21he was invited by the head of Greece
01:07:24to be a guest in Greece before he went there.
01:07:27We are talking about the end of the 60s.
01:07:30And by chance, the man died on the massacre
01:07:35of St. George.
01:07:38These are the cases that can be analyzed.
01:07:43And my question is,
01:07:46were you familiar with these works,
01:07:50with this literature?
01:07:53And for the language that was mentioned there,
01:07:57as Michael Keatley mentioned here,
01:08:01Vorotra, Tashila.
01:08:05Can you describe a little bit more about that word?
01:08:10What it means?
01:08:12Because in Macedonian,
01:08:15all of a sudden, as soon as I heard that word,
01:08:18it means something.
01:08:20What the guy told me that it meant
01:08:23is that ta means worship,
01:08:25and shila means snake or serpent.
01:08:27And he said it's because in the city
01:08:29they were taught to worship using tame snakes
01:08:32a long time ago.
01:08:34Okay, what's your interpretation?
01:08:36My understanding, according to my knowledge
01:08:38in Macedonian,
01:08:40Tashi means when somebody is quiet,
01:08:43you know, like Tashi,
01:08:46he is behaving very quietly.
01:08:50And the place, as we know,
01:08:53when we go to worship,
01:08:55has to be very quiet.
01:08:58Could that be any relationship?
01:09:00Tony,
01:09:03deep precious is John Tobey.
01:09:07You had quite a bit of a...
01:09:09Two questions.
01:09:10Yeah.
01:09:11John Tobey was from St. Catharines.
01:09:14He did the Putin at Vapati that is Matamo.
01:09:17And I read and I was inspired by his writings.
01:09:23He was a horticulturist.
01:09:25He wanted to see how these people can grow
01:09:29three crops a year without fertilizer.
01:09:33Because in this country,
01:09:34you do one and you're finished.
01:09:36So he wanted to study their method
01:09:38of growing the vegetables.
01:09:41And in the final analysis,
01:09:44I did speak with the mayor,
01:09:48because the mayor,
01:09:50his father and Tobey were very good friends,
01:09:53which on the National Geographic,
01:09:55there are pictures of the mayor and Tobey.
01:10:01So when I asked the mayor what happened to Tobey,
01:10:05he said he left from here and disappeared.
01:10:11Like he didn't know anything anymore about him.
01:10:13So whatever your story is,
01:10:15it's quite possible the rumor,
01:10:17but that's all he said.
01:10:19He just disappeared.
01:10:22And speaking about the age,
01:10:261400 and how many years he lived.
01:10:29Yes, at the same time,
01:10:30we live in Macedonia for more than 100 years.
01:10:33But when modernization comes,
01:10:36pollution,
01:10:38people there suffer from salt.
01:10:41The salt that comes,
01:10:43that should be sold,
01:10:44salt is not good for our metabolism,
01:10:48the salt.
01:10:49It reduces your lifespan.
01:10:51Salt is one of the problems that is reduced.
01:10:55Right now their lifespan is,
01:10:58it could be 70, 80 or 90 years old,
01:11:01but with modernization coming in,
01:11:03you're shortchanging your life a little bit.
01:11:06They're adopting too many new ideas,
01:11:08which sometimes I believe modernization is good in some ways,
01:11:11but very harmful in others.
01:11:15Check in, check in, check in.
01:11:19What I'd like to add to this,
01:11:20what you just said,
01:11:22there was evangelists who are going to preach there,
01:11:26missionaries,
01:11:27and there was a television program
01:11:29about tons of people,
01:11:31and I'm sorry I could not bring the brochure.
01:11:34I have a brochure,
01:11:35which they sent it to me,
01:11:36I asked for that.
01:11:37They're showing in modern time,
01:11:39I'm talking about a few years ago,
01:11:41they brought the program a few years ago,
01:11:45and they say they had a picture there
01:11:48with a man who is about 140 years old,
01:11:53and he has a second marriage,
01:11:55and with all his family,
01:11:57you know,
01:11:58grandchildren,
01:11:59which means that they still have the genes.
01:12:03It's very important.
01:12:05I didn't meet anybody that old.
01:12:12Yes.
01:12:13I'd like to congratulate you
01:12:15for taking the effort to go to Pakistan.
01:12:18You've done a marvelous job.
01:12:20Both of us.
01:12:21Both of you,
01:12:22and I'd like to thank,
01:12:24like I said,
01:12:25both of you,
01:12:26especially Michael,
01:12:27our historian,
01:12:28which he happens to be born in Newport,
01:12:31in Indiana,
01:12:32and comes from our village.
01:12:34His mother is from our village,
01:12:36and his father is an Irishman,
01:12:37and we thank him very, very much.
01:12:40So further than that,
01:12:42they have books here,
01:12:44and we should help this young gentleman,
01:12:49the historian,
01:12:50which he went out of his way
01:12:52to dig up our history,
01:12:54which nobody ever did before.
01:13:02So I ask you all,
01:13:03whether you can read it,
01:13:05or you cannot read it,
01:13:06it's a history behind it,
01:13:08on your way out,
01:13:09please get your books.
01:13:11It's not much money,
01:13:12$20,
01:13:13it's a history that we've been waiting
01:13:15a long, long time for this.
01:13:17So it's well worth it.
01:13:19And Michael,
01:13:20keep up the good work.
01:13:22Another thing I'd like to say is,
01:13:24way back in 1995,
01:13:26I phoned two, three times
01:13:27to National Geographic
01:13:29in regards to our country, Macedonia,
01:13:31and they said,
01:13:32well, they all advised me,
01:13:34they never answered me back.
01:13:36So what I did,
01:13:37I decided to write them a letter,
01:13:39which I left in my other coat,
01:13:41I didn't bring it with me,
01:13:42I thought I had it,
01:13:43but I didn't.
01:13:44And apparently,
01:13:45they wrote to me back in May,
01:13:47May 5th of May,
01:13:49and they answered me,
01:13:51they said,
01:13:52Mr. Streso,
01:13:53keep watching for the issues,
01:13:54I cannot tell you
01:13:55when it's going to appear,
01:13:56but we're going to write
01:13:57a story of Macedonia.
01:13:59And it finally came,
01:14:01it's in the March issue,
01:14:03of 10 pages,
01:14:06with pictures,
01:14:07and now,
01:14:12that's a March issue,
01:14:14it came now,
01:14:15and apparently,
01:14:16you cannot buy this
01:14:17in the bookstore,
01:14:18but what you could do,
01:14:20I have an 800 number,
01:14:22which National Geographic
01:14:23has an 800 number,
01:14:25you can phone them,
01:14:27and give them your visa,
01:14:28it costs about $5 or something,
01:14:30Canadian,
01:14:31and they'll mail it to you,
01:14:32and that's another history
01:14:34behind it.
01:14:35Now,
01:14:36one more thing,
01:14:37I'm not going to hold you long,
01:14:38because they have the floor,
01:14:41not me,
01:14:42but before Macedonia
01:14:44was recognized,
01:14:46I met two officials
01:14:47that were here.
01:14:48I said,
01:14:49how can we help you
01:14:50back there?
01:14:51They said,
01:14:52anything that we manufacture
01:14:54or comes from there,
01:14:55please buy it,
01:14:56it will keep us busy
01:14:58and progress.
01:15:00So when the wine first came out,
01:15:01I must have bought
01:15:0245 cases,
01:15:03and I'm still buying,
01:15:04in every house I go to,
01:15:05I buy wine.
01:15:10Another thing is,
01:15:12just about a couple weeks ago,
01:15:14I heard that there was,
01:15:16sweaters came from Macedonia,
01:15:18and they are sold in K-Mart.
01:15:20So I went right there,
01:15:22and if anybody wants to read
01:15:25the label behind it,
01:15:27and it's also with a big M
01:15:28in front of it,
01:15:29I'm wearing it now,
01:15:30and it's manufactured
01:15:32in Macedonia.
01:15:38And please go,
01:15:39and buy the sweaters,
01:15:41even though summer is coming,
01:15:43have it for next winter.
01:15:45And Michael,
01:15:46keep up the history of work,
01:15:47and his brothers that are right here,
01:15:49is a force on your way.
01:15:56Just a minute.
01:15:58I want to hear from
01:15:59that gentleman over there.
01:16:02No, no, the other one.
01:16:07What was his name,
01:16:09during the travels
01:16:10that you heard in Pakistan?
01:16:12I don't think we can
01:16:13hear you loud.
01:16:14What was his name,
01:16:15what was it called,
01:16:16in Pakistan and India,
01:16:18other than Alexander the Great?
01:16:20What was it,
01:16:21other than India,
01:16:22what was your name?
01:16:23The locals called him
01:16:24Sikander Yassin.
01:16:27OK, you.
01:16:30OK, you.
01:16:55Alexander
01:16:57the Great
01:17:28Hello.
01:17:30Stephen, Michael,
01:17:31I should like to suggest
01:17:32to you gentlemen,
01:17:33that you approach
01:17:34the National Geographic Society
01:17:36with your beautiful findings,
01:17:38to hopefully,
01:17:39they publish it,
01:17:41spread it worldwide,
01:17:42and thereby get
01:17:43greater coverage.
01:17:45Before we left,
01:17:46I told you
01:17:47that I was going to
01:17:48give a speech
01:17:49at the National Geographic
01:17:50Society,
01:17:51at the National Geographic
01:17:52Society,
01:17:53at the National Geographic
01:17:54Society,
01:17:56Before we left,
01:17:57I contacted them,
01:17:58and after we got back,
01:17:59I contacted them again
01:18:00and told them
01:18:01we were successful.
01:18:02They only cover an area
01:18:03once in ten years,
01:18:05and they did a fabulous
01:18:07issue in March of 96,
01:18:09covering Macedonia.
01:18:11They're not interested
01:18:12in repeating,
01:18:13so it's going to have
01:18:14to wait,
01:18:15but I'll keep after them
01:18:16in other magazines too.
01:18:17In addition,
01:18:18I should also like to tell
01:18:19our people here,
01:18:20that they want to acquire
01:18:22the current
01:18:25March 96 National
01:18:27Geographic issue.
01:18:29The no-expense telephone
01:18:32number is
01:18:341-800-NGS
01:18:361-800-NGS
01:18:38for National Geographic
01:18:40Society.
01:18:41The last letter
01:18:43is a line.
01:18:451-800-NGS
01:18:47line.
01:18:49You can order
01:18:50a beautiful issue
01:18:52for March.
01:18:54Thank you.
01:18:56March 96 National Geographic.
01:19:00There is about ten pages.
01:19:02You will be amazed
01:19:03if you read it.
01:19:05I subscribed to National
01:19:06Geographic,
01:19:07and I was very amazed.
01:19:08If you can get yourself
01:19:09a magazine,
01:19:10you would be very impressed
01:19:11what it says
01:19:12about Macedonians.
01:19:24I think it's over now.
01:19:25Thank you very much.
01:19:26Thank you very much.