What happened in meeting of PTI leadership with Imran Khan? - Rauf Hassan Told
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00:00and we are on the political front
00:03But your political front is the weakest
00:05It is not weak, let me tell you
00:07Because parliament speeches are easy
00:09We have not received any permission from Punjab for 4 months
00:14We have been trying for 4 months
00:16If you say, I will give you a pile of applications
00:19So if someone does not give you permission for the next 5 years, you will not do anything
00:22I was telling you, today all those applications have reached the high court level
00:28We have been given permission to hold a meeting here in Tarnaul on the 6th
00:32And we hope that in all other cities, our high courts will start giving us permission
00:37So you will see that all this will come together
00:40But if the administration does not allow you
00:42Then we have to do it anyway
00:44The real problem is that the people who are watching the situation, the political strategy
00:51If you ask me, they are saying the same thing
00:55That someone gives a light speech in the parliament
00:57No one is upset about it
01:00A legal fight is going on, it happens
01:04But the agitation in the political environment
01:07See, the environment of agitation is different
01:10Governments always stop other political parties from agitating
01:18But if you are being stopped and you are behaving like a good boy
01:21That means you do not want to do anything actively
01:24There is a role of 9th of May in this, it is a big factor
01:28It has happened with us, with our people, with their lives
01:32It is a big factor
01:33And in Punjab, you saw when the chairman called us last Friday
01:38That he wants to do it
01:39So he did section 144 in the whole province
01:43So this is the state of agitation
01:45But I can share with you that what happened in Lahore yesterday
01:49It happened for the first time in a year
01:50People came out, there was a function
01:52Nothing is happening in KP
01:53A lot is happening in KP
01:55A lot is happening
01:56There are people coming out
01:57And when Mr. Khan called
01:59I remember the last speech of Ali Amin Gandapur
02:02And he led the protest
02:06It must have been 3-4 weeks
02:08Mr. Khan has said that he will call
02:11You have to start the protest at that time
02:13And let me share it with you
02:15We are very very close to that day
02:17When he is going to just raise his finger and say
02:19Now is the time to step up
02:20I remember this in the date
02:22But it is on him
02:23Mr. Khan has stopped it
02:24Mr. Khan has said that I have to do it
02:26But it is building
02:27Momentum is building
02:28This is definite
02:29What happened in Lahore yesterday
02:30It could not happen in the last few months
02:32Because of different reasons
02:34There were different factors in it
02:35But yesterday people came out
02:37People from ILF came out
02:38They marched on the mall
02:41And then the members of the provincial assembly came out
02:44And then they joined hands
02:46And you could see PTI flats fluctuating
02:49For the first time
02:50Generally on the weekend when you call
02:52People are not paying attention
02:53They read the press
02:54They catch them
02:55There is no margin for them
02:57I remember a senior leader
02:59He was a religious leader
03:01He was the Afghan defense council of 2001-02
03:07He was protesting against the attack on Afghanistan
03:10A DIG told me
03:13I don't know if it was a DIG
03:14Or a senior officer
03:15He called and said
03:17I have to go out
03:18I have to arrest Brian Irwani
03:20This is what happened
03:21When there was an agitation call from Muslim League Moon
03:24That I personally know some people
03:26Who called the police
03:27And told them to arrest me
03:29Otherwise I have to go out
03:30Is this not happening with your party?
03:32No, no
03:33There is no such thing
03:34People are very determined
03:35We are also sitting in the core committee
03:37And what you saw today
03:38This is a genuine outpouring of emotion
03:40That is why I am saying
03:41This is your genuine sentiment
03:43If you match this with a political response
03:46There is no political reaction
03:48Maybe you saw a gap there
03:50I am conceding this point
03:52But there are many reasons for that
03:54Especially in Punjab
03:56And the attitude of the administration
03:59As I said
04:00Two days ago in Tarnaul
04:03We finally got permission to do that
04:05We have been trying for four and a half months
04:07That is why I am saying
04:08It could have been done in KP
04:10Where?
04:11KP
04:12You have your own province
04:13There are no administrative issues
04:14You have your own government
04:15You have your minister
04:16You have all the arrangements
04:17If you say tomorrow
04:18That we have to do a million march in KP
04:21Who will stop us?
04:22And there will be an imagery of that
04:24When the images will come
04:26The world will see
04:27That this is happening
04:28The problem is
04:29I am not saying do this
04:30But I am saying
04:31There is a lack of action
04:33You say that
04:34You say that
04:35We will run this campaign aggressively
04:38But it can run easily
04:40There is a need now
04:41To become far more aggressive
04:43I am conceding these things
04:44Especially after today's demonstration
04:46Which you have shown us
04:47There is an aggressive unrest
04:54Yes, definitely
04:56And these are the people
04:57Who will step out
04:58And I think the administration
05:00Should also think
05:02That if these people
05:03Step out in this mood
05:04There will be a lot of trouble
05:05Sir, do you know what people are saying there?
05:07That if anything happens to Khan
05:09They will not leave the leadership
05:10We get these messages
05:12They are lying with us
05:13You are talking here
05:15We get these direct messages
05:17We will not leave the leadership
05:18They say this
05:19Because there is such pressure
05:20There is such devotion
05:21Absolutely
05:22Absolutely
05:23Absolutely
05:24But this has also been discussed with Khan
05:26He said give me a few days
05:28I will see what I can do
05:29Ok, has this been discussed?
05:30Yes
05:31What else has been discussed?
05:32Before going to the break
05:33A lot of things
05:34He talked about Afghanistan
05:36He talked about terrorism
05:38He told us about the role of General Bajwa
05:40How he created problems with Afghanistan
05:43How he destroyed it
05:44When the Taliban came there
05:46He did a lot of things
05:48A lot of things were discussed
05:49It was very enlightening
05:51Not much was discussed politically
05:52Nothing much was discussed politically
05:54Why did he talk about politics?
05:55He just said that we should not joke
05:57The situation inside the jail
06:02Especially not letting their sons talk
06:05We are going to take legal action
06:08Have you contacted the establishment?
06:13No, no contact
06:14Indirect?
06:15No contact
06:16No message?
06:17No contact
06:18No contact
06:19Before going to the break
06:20If I pick up one more point
06:22You have welcomed
06:24The agreement that was accepted in Congress
06:28Is this interference?
06:31Our internal affairs?
06:33No, this is not interference
06:36When there was interference
06:37We said it was interference
06:39There is a strategic component
06:40I am sure you understand
06:41You know better than me
06:42Khan sir was not fit in the strategic component
06:45Khan sir was not fit in the strategic compass
06:48Because Khan sir wanted to give Pakistan
06:50A different place in the region
06:52So it became Russia
06:54There were many other factors
06:56But over and above that
06:58America is also a democracy
07:00And that democracy
07:01In the last one year at least
07:04Every time
07:05The State Department was asked questions
07:07Do you remember the Iddat case?
07:09Yes, yes
07:10Their internal affairs
07:11Internal affairs
07:13Suddenly
07:14Is it in the hands of justice
07:15That 368 people have turned to you?
07:18Or is it a larger power at work?
07:2097% are against us
07:2298%
07:24Sir, you are focusing on the 7%
07:26And not on the 378 people in your eyes?
07:28Is this because of a larger political issue?
07:32No, no
07:33These are internal compulsions
07:34What difference does it make to them?
07:36You know them
07:37I know them
07:38They don't care
07:39No, no, no
07:40I beg to disagree
07:42This is the need of the Pakistani diaspora
07:47Sir, there are 368 people on your side
07:50Sir, it is very neat
07:51Not in every constituency
07:53I agree with you
07:54That it is because of your diaspora
07:55Although many people
07:56Are linking it to other things
07:58Like regional affairs
08:00China, etc.
08:01Maybe because of that
08:02But I agree with you
08:04Is this interference or not?