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00:00In a moment, you will see two sides, supported by
00:31Good evening, Mirsa. How are you? I, Dwi Anggia, am here again, on both sides tonight.
00:42Mirsa, the political map of the 2024 presidential election seems to be repeated in the Jakarta election.
00:49The reason is that the party of Koalisi Indonesia Maju, which will support Ridwan Kamil in the Jakarta election,
00:55will again face Anis Baswedan, who has officially received support from the PKB.
01:00It means that Anis' way to Jakarta 1 is a bit less sweet.
01:06Because a colleague in the 2024 presidential election, PKS, slowly or slowly, is now a bit tempted
01:13after being offered the chair of the DKI Chawagroup.
01:16Is that true? Who will be the coalition in the Jakarta presidential election?
01:23And how about Peluang Anis and Ridwan Kamil? We will discuss on both sides.
01:31A number of speakers are here with me in the studio tonight.
01:35I will introduce them one by one.
01:37From the other side, there is Bung Ciko Hakim, a PDI politician. Good evening, Bung Ciko.
01:42Waalaikumsalam. There is Bung Ghez Khalifa, Anis Baswedan's supporter. Good evening, Ghez.
01:47There is Bung Rey Rangkuti, a political expert. Good evening.
01:51Good evening.
01:53Dukun politik.
01:55Dukun politik. He can read what hasn't happened yet.
01:58He can read what hasn't happened yet.
02:01There is Bang Idrus Marham, a political expert. Good evening, Bang Idrus.
02:06And then, from PKS, there is Muhammad Khalid. Good evening, Khalid.
02:11Sir, please hold the mic and don't tap it. The mic is already on.
02:17Okay, I will go straight to Bung Rey first.
02:20Because you are a supporter of politics, right?
02:21No, if we talk about the presidential election in 2024,
02:27it will be the same as the presidential election, right?
02:30The presidential election will be very fluid. That's the ideal, right?
02:33If we compare it to the previous election, Bung Rey?
02:35But I think in the Jakarta presidential election,
02:37the quality of the presidential election will continue to decline.
02:39Until Jakarta, it will be the same.
02:41Even the friend of Anis' coalition in the presidential election, PKS,
02:46was tempted by the chair of Cawagup.
02:48The president of PKS also said that he will support it,
02:52but then there will be an offer.
02:54You read it as a political supporter, what does it mean?
02:57Is there an effort to prevent Anis' step back?
03:00The important thing is not to let Fattoah go out first.
03:04If you want to prevent Anis, I think it's difficult.
03:07Because Anis is the star.
03:09Before answering the difficult question,
03:11is there an effort to prevent Anis?
03:13Maybe there is, but I don't think it's realistic.
03:15What can be done is not preventing it.
03:18It's like defeating Anis in Jakarta.
03:21If you prevent Anis in Jakarta, it will be difficult.
03:24Because Anis is like a star in Jakarta.
03:27So if PKS is left, the others will take it.
03:30Oh really?
03:32Even though Indonesia's coalition is quite solid.
03:35Will you leave Anis?
03:37If we win, if we don't win, we'll run away one by one.
03:42If PKS leaves Anis, I'll go to you.
03:44Is there a plan to leave Anis, PKS?
03:47So, don't jump to that question.
03:50No, I'll continue from what you said.
03:53So, first, Kadilan Sejahtera got an amazing mandate from Jakarta.
04:00So, we got more than 1 million voters,
04:04and 18 seats, and became the winning party.
04:08And of course, this will be our effort to contest,
04:14to advance our cadres in Jakarta.
04:18It's a belief.
04:20Who will be the cadres in Jakarta?
04:23We have many quality cadres.
04:25Here, we have Dr. Sohibu Liman.
04:29Ex-president of PKS.
04:31Now, he's the chairperson of Majelis Jogro.
04:33Then, there's Dr. Mardani Alisera.
04:35There are many.
04:37As a candidate or as a candidate?
04:39We can split the chances.
04:41Because we, as a winning party in Jakarta,
04:45we are building political communication with all parties.
04:51How?
04:53We, PKS, continue the great trust from the people of Jakarta.
04:58PKS, as a winning party,
05:00we certainly want to give and dedicate our best cadres to contest in Jakarta.
05:06How to continue the trust?
05:08Right? Especially in Jakarta.
05:09Especially in Jakarta.
05:11But if we look at the national level, it's already good.
05:14People's security is there. PKS, PKB, PAN.
05:17Why don't they join the candidates?
05:19So, if we look at it,
05:21national politics is not always congruent with local politics.
05:27There's local wisdom.
05:29Each in their own region.
05:31If we always pull national politics to,
05:36if I'm not mistaken, 500 candidates, right?
05:37More.
05:39It will be hard.
05:41Because every local wisdom is different.
05:45And we see that,
05:47KAD Sejahtera Party has secured security,
05:50which is an extraordinary trust from the people of Jakarta.
05:54We want to give our best cadres to contest in Jakarta.
05:59If that's the case, is the wisdom different with PKB?
06:03So, it takes a long time to carry the water?
06:04With PKB, we got the chemistry.
06:07We got the chemistry.
06:09With Nasdem, we got it.
06:11With Mas Ciko, PDIP, we didn't refuse.
06:14This is interesting.
06:16So, we make it more flexible.
06:20So, don't close the communication.
06:22KAD Sejahtera Party is very inclusive.
06:24We can communicate with all parties.
06:27Although the ideology is different.
06:29If we look at it, the platform is different.
06:32But we have the same spirit.
06:34For the development of Jakarta.
06:37Bang Ciko is right.
06:39PKS and PDIP can be combined.
06:41I am amazed by the difference.
06:43But we have to believe that,
06:45the home of ideology is still Pancasila.
06:48And all of us,
06:50political parties in Indonesia,
06:53or political figures in the party,
06:55or outside the party,
06:57are proud of the value of Pancasila,
06:59and appreciate the diversity.
07:01That's the most important.
07:02KAD Sejahtera Party is the same.
07:06But this is funny.
07:08This is similar to what our brother said.
07:12So, PDIP is a struggle.
07:14Because our existence is proven in Jakarta.
07:19As long as some of our candidates get first place,
07:22but yesterday we got second place,
07:25it means we are qualified to be a candidate for governor,
07:30or vice governor.
07:32It depends on how we negotiate with other political parties.
07:35And until today, we are open to any political party,
07:40including KAD Sejahtera, PKB, NASDEM, Golkar, etc.
07:45And for us, the main thing is,
07:48we invite the candidates that we will promote from our internal.
07:52The candidates that come from our internal are Burisma,
07:55Mr. Ahok, Mr. Jarot,
07:58Andika Perkasa,
07:59Mr. Pramni, Mr. Muno Anung.
08:04But why do we have those names?
08:07Because in a struggle party,
08:09when we invite candidates from any political party,
08:12what we pay attention to is not their identity,
08:15but their problems in Jakarta,
08:17their problems in the region.
08:19It means, we have to invite the candidates that are qualified,
08:23have a record,
08:25have been in strategic positions.
08:26That's why the name of Anies Baswedan
08:31is famous.
08:33Because we have to admit that she has been a governor.
08:36And her public satisfaction level is quite good.
08:38Her electability level is also quite good.
08:40If we talk about,
08:42this is your question, but before you ask, I already know what you want to ask.
08:45About our contestation in the past, for example.
08:49That did happen.
08:51But all these politics are liquid.
08:53So, in the end, we have to be realistic and objective.
08:56That Jakarta needs people who are competent,
09:00have a clear track record.
09:02And Mr. Anies, of course, is one of the nominees.
09:04Wait a minute, I'm curious.
09:06You said that PKS has a cadre,
09:08PDP also has a cadre.
09:10But you said that Anies is the star in Jakarta.
09:13What do you think about these cadres?
09:15I'm curious about other factors to see Jakarta.
09:19What factors?
09:21Does Kayesang participate or not?
09:23If Kayesang participates,
09:25I think there are only two candidates.
09:28But if Kayesang doesn't participate,
09:30there might be three candidates.
09:32As a candidate, do you think Kayesang participates or not?
09:35Kayesang is a factor.
09:37As a political advocate, do you think Kayesang will advance or not?
09:40First, why do we make Kayesang as a factor?
09:43Because the sentiment is different.
09:45The sentiment of the cadre is about dynasty and not dynasty.
09:49The sentiment is Jokowi and anti-Jokowi.
09:53Something like that.
09:55It will be repeated.
09:57It will be repeated.
10:00And from that context,
10:02PDI can combine with PKS,
10:04can combine with Anies,
10:06because they are not united by the same ideology,
10:09but united by the same opponent.
10:11The opponent is the same.
10:13The opponent is considered heavier now
10:15than the difference between them.
10:16That's the first one.
10:18Why is it heavier? Is it because of the capacity or the people behind it?
10:21Yes, because for PDI, there are multiple factors.
10:26Because they are betrayed, and so on.
10:30I use PDI language in this context.
10:33They say they are betrayed, and so on.
10:37In addition, there might be sentiment to limit
10:41the participation of Jokowi's family in all political system.
10:47And if that issue is played,
10:49it will attract Jakarta's people to get involved.
10:52Because Jakarta's people are generally not Mr. Jokowi's voters.
10:55They are Mr. Prabowo's voters,
10:57but not necessarily Mr. Jokowi's voters.
10:59So, it can be said that Jakarta's people are rational voters.
11:01Yes, it means that if Kaesang goes forward,
11:06the three groups will be united.
11:08And if Kaesang doesn't exist, it will be different.
11:11Who are the three groups?
11:13First, the Islamic groups that might be led by PKS.
11:16Second, the pro-democracy groups that are clearly anti-democracy and anti-political.
11:20And third, the nationalist groups led by PDI Perjuangan.
11:25If they are united in one line,
11:27the question is, if RK is really from Kim,
11:31who else will he take?
11:33As a representative?
11:34No, as a representative.
11:36As a marketer, where else will he go?
11:38The Islamic groups are under him.
11:40In that context, I can understand why PKS is criticized.
11:44If it's true, there will be a criticism.
11:46Today, everyone is opposing.
11:48If it's true, there will be a criticism.
11:50Today, everyone is opposing.
11:52If it's true, there will be a criticism.
11:54The last one.
11:56But if Kaesang doesn't exist,
11:58there are three possibilities.
12:00PKS with Anies,
12:02Kim himself,
12:04PDI will push him to be with his party.
12:08But, PKS already knows,
12:11his target is clearly a representative.
12:14Therefore, he doesn't care if Anies is not with Anies,
12:18if Anies doesn't allow him to be a representative.
12:21The important thing is, whoever puts a representative, PKS will move forward.
12:24If the context is like that,
12:27PKS can join with PDI Perjuangan,
12:29if they agree,
12:31they will be the representatives.
12:34And PKS and PDI Perjuangan don't need a figure,
12:37because they have a strong base of power.
12:40Okay, we will answer if it's true, there will be a criticism.
12:43If it's true, Kaesang won't move forward in Jakarta.
12:46We will answer it after the break.
12:48We will be back in a moment.
12:57I will continue to the two sides.
12:58I will continue to the two sides, to Mr. Kolit first.
13:01Is it true that there will be an offer or a criticism?
13:04That's one thing.
13:06The second is, who will criticize PKS?
13:08You can ask the question.
13:11So, in politics,
13:14criticism is a very normal thing.
13:17It's a very common thing.
13:19It's called, we are proposing a proposal.
13:22Our interest, our interest,
13:24is it acceptable?
13:26Isn't it?
13:28What happened yesterday,
13:30which was a bit crowded in the media,
13:33I think it's something you can feel.
13:37If someone asks,
13:39is it true that PKS was offered by a governor?
13:41At that time, PKS president answered,
13:44yes, there is an offer.
13:46And PKS is studying it.
13:48PKS is studying it.
13:50It's still a long time.
13:53So, we are studying the offer.
13:55Approximately,
13:57we always see it like this.
13:59Our perspective must be more comprehensive.
14:03So, it's not just,
14:05there is an offer A, then we accept B.
14:08It's not like that.
14:10But we see it more comprehensive.
14:12First, we see,
14:14which offer is the best
14:17for the development and development of Jakarta people.
14:20That's the first.
14:22For Jakarta people or for the party?
14:23For Jakarta people. Of course.
14:25For Jakarta people.
14:27The second is,
14:29how we design,
14:32a choice that has probability to win.
14:36A chance to win.
14:38This is for the party. Probability to win.
14:41Of course. If we want to win,
14:44if we want to make change, improvement,
14:47development, we must win.
14:49So, the rational choice,
14:50rational, all political parties, not just PKS,
14:53is, which offer is the most likely for us to win.
14:59And the last one,
15:01which package,
15:04scheme that makes PKS as a winning party,
15:09can continue, can fight for this victory,
15:13in the election.
15:15We won the election yesterday,
15:17and we want to win in the election.
15:20Which one?
15:22That's not important.
15:24It's important. If it's just a small party,
15:27the offer is not good.
15:29We must keep the privacy and rights of what we offer.
15:32It's clear like this.
15:34It's clear like this.
15:36The offer is there.
15:38The Governor of Jakarta.
15:40It's not important what it's like.
15:43But the offer is...
15:45So, here's the thing.
15:47I want to start from your way of thinking.
15:50First, let's not jump to the specifics.
15:56Second, we must look at it comprehensively.
16:00Because it's like this.
16:02We must start from the fact that Jakarta belongs to us.
16:06It belongs to us.
16:08Because it belongs to us,
16:10we are a family.
16:12If we talk about family,
16:15it's based on family.
16:16Yes.
16:18There's a saying,
16:20we often talk about Kotong Royong.
16:22If that's the case,
16:24conceptually,
16:26the foundation of a family has value.
16:28It has value.
16:30There's the spirit of togetherness,
16:32the spirit of unity.
16:34The foundation of a family means a progressive family.
16:37No.
16:39Here...
16:41No, no.
16:42I'm not the type of person who talks nonsense and talk about concepts.
16:45Golkar is used to talk about concepts,
16:48constructive way of thinking.
16:50That's why I start from our way of thinking.
16:52So that it doesn't go anywhere.
16:54What is constructive way of thinking?
16:56We are a family.
16:58This is the foundation.
17:00And because of that,
17:02DKI Jakarta must be managed together.
17:05To manage it together,
17:07we must invite everyone.
17:09And to invite everyone,
17:10of course, each group
17:13must have their own leaders.
17:16Because those who move forward must be able to play a role.
17:19To be able to play a role, they must have a concept.
17:21This is a bit contradictory.
17:23You said we are managed together as a family.
17:25But then there are each group.
17:27So, it can be separated.
17:29No.
17:31In reality,
17:33this is diversity.
17:35And in democracy, it can't be diverse.
17:37And that's the reason.
17:38Because on June 1st,
17:40it's clear.
17:42There are differences,
17:44differences, and so on.
17:46And because of that,
17:48there must be communication.
17:50So, it's true.
17:52There must be communication to DKI Jakarta.
17:54That's right.
17:56We communicate to DKI Jakarta.
17:58We communicate to everyone.
18:00But of course,
18:02it can't be one.
18:04Why?
18:05Because it's unrealistic
18:07that each group,
18:09let's say a party,
18:11has a leader.
18:13And has a belief that this leader
18:15will be able to manage DKI Jakarta
18:17and lead us together.
18:19Because of that,
18:21it requires us to have a strategy.
18:23I just answered the political question.
18:25What strategy?
18:27We have a strategy
18:29on how to win.
18:31It can't be considered
18:32that we want to protect Habib Anies.
18:36No, it's not like that.
18:38But we have a strategy.
18:40If we talk about strategy,
18:42we're not talking about right or wrong.
18:44We're talking about effective or ineffective.
18:47In the end, it's about winning.
18:49If we win,
18:51it means someone will lose.
18:53My question is this.
18:55Are you still not sure
18:57that you can win
18:59until you invite PKS?
19:00It's not about winning or not.
19:02Even if we win,
19:04we're still teaching.
19:06We're family.
19:08It's the basics.
19:10It's the basics.
19:12It's not like this.
19:14When we look at diversity,
19:16don't look at it superficially.
19:19But look at it superficially.
19:22That's the problem.
19:24I agree with Mas Jiko.
19:26If Pancasila is done,
19:27it's done.
19:29But there's a characteristic
19:31that's reflected in PCMIS.
19:33The difference is there,
19:35not in physics.
19:37We can have different parties.
19:39Actually, we're talking about the technique.
19:41No, because of that,
19:43we can't talk about technique.
19:45If it's not done,
19:47it will be more complicated.
19:49But if the problem is done,
19:51it's not done.
19:53Why?
19:54We can't look at it physically.
19:56We can't look at it linearly.
19:58From the president,
20:00for example,
20:02the contestation,
20:04the press,
20:06then all the parties
20:08have to be different here.
20:10Okay, Bang Idrus.
20:12Hold on.
20:14If you don't want to answer,
20:16I have a question for you.
20:18Is the Indonesia Onward Coalition
20:20not sure they can win
20:21by inviting PCMIS to win?
20:23They said it's not to juggle,
20:25but to win.
20:27So far,
20:29one of the problems in this team
20:31is that they don't have enough figures.
20:33For example,
20:35the only figure they rely on
20:38is RK.
20:40Who else?
20:42We're confused.
20:44Other than that,
20:46they have Golkar.
20:48If we look at the other parties,
20:49they only target representatives.
20:51Demokrat only targets representatives.
20:53Gerindra,
20:55I haven't heard of him.
20:57He was in the front row yesterday,
20:59then he was pulled back.
21:01So, indeed,
21:03this team seems to have a problem
21:05because they don't have enough figures in Jakarta.
21:07And the figure is RK.
21:09RK hasn't shown
21:11whether he's serious
21:13about going to Jakarta or not.
21:15That's one of the factors.
21:16Because RK himself
21:19hasn't worked yet,
21:21just imagine,
21:23he will face a dominant figure,
21:25as an incumbent.
21:27His popularity is not only in Jakarta,
21:29but also in Indonesia.
21:31And until today,
21:33RK hasn't prepared anything.
21:35This is...
21:37This is no longer political support.
21:39But this is an unjustified justification.
21:42Okay, wait.
21:44If we talk about factual and non-factual,
21:46which has circulated on social media,
21:48which I want to show you tonight,
21:50the writing is also here.
21:52Can you move it up a bit?
21:54This is also a factual thing
21:56that is interesting to discuss.
21:58This is from Bang Ges.
22:00He got a job at Cawagup,
22:02but he was replaced by a minister.
22:04The main requirement is not to support the writer.
22:06Who is he talking about?
22:08It depends on the PKS.
22:10Will they sell in quotes
22:12or are they consistent?
22:13If you are a student,
22:15you might want to know
22:17who is he talking about?
22:19This is more than Dukudini.
22:27What does he mean?
22:29Before you ask the question,
22:31I want to ask,
22:33why did you distance yourself from Mr. Holic?
22:35Why?
22:37Why did you separate your seat?
22:39There is no strategy yet.
22:41It means,
22:43you are still together.
22:45It is actually like this.
22:47It is already in one of the media investigation
22:51that talks about that.
22:53Then,
22:55the voices are quite loud
22:57among my friends.
22:59Then, I remember
23:02Jakarta
23:04P3 was once
23:07number one
23:09beating Golkar.
23:11Then,
23:13in 2004,
23:15PKS was number one.
23:17Then, in 2009,
23:19Demokrat was number one.
23:21Then,
23:23PDIP.
23:25Then, now it is PKS again.
23:28It means,
23:30Jakarta people
23:32are very critical and easy to judge.
23:36I see that
23:37I see that
23:39Anis' synergy with PKS
23:42is not only at the elite level
23:45but also at the grassroots level.
23:47At grassroots level too.
23:49So, the posting is like a warning.
23:52Be careful.
23:54Your grassroots level
23:56is Anis' sympathy.
23:58Something like that.
24:00So, don't play too much
24:02in political dynamics like this.
24:04But,
24:05it is clear from the time investigation.
24:08So, it starts from there.
24:11Be careful. To whom? To PKS?
24:13Friends.
24:15Because it is called PKS.
24:17What do you see?
24:19And that is not a strong point.
24:21I have a question.
24:23Do you believe that?
24:25I do.
24:27And there is another thing I believe.
24:30What is it?
24:31Because it is not only Anis' interference
24:35in party's matters.
24:37There is another possibility.
24:39Law institution
24:41is used to punish Anis.
24:43I don't know yet.
24:45But there is a possibility.
24:47To that extent?
24:49Ma'am, in a regime like this,
24:51there is no one we don't believe.
24:53There is no Husnuzon.
24:56Except for PKS.
24:58Yes. That's why.
24:59I believe it.
25:01And this.
25:03Girls are two-faced.
25:05So, it is reversed to protect Anis.
25:08Here is the thing.
25:10During press conference,
25:12we see how Anis is called KPK
25:15with existing cases.
25:17And now, the election is coming.
25:19And we think that
25:21this regime is better.
25:23Not really.
25:25Let's see the future.
25:26The future is better than now.
25:28Now, the victims are
25:30PDIP.
25:32What victims?
25:34The cases are several years old.
25:36Suddenly, there is an agenda.
25:38Is it true?
25:40I can't see it now
25:42in a factual,
25:44neutral way
25:46that this is going on.
25:48No. There is an agenda.
25:50Okay. To that extent.
25:52Okay. Hold on.
25:54Hold on.
25:56Hold on.
25:58We will come back later.
26:00Hold on.
26:02Hold on, Idrus.
26:04We will come back later.
26:14We are back.
26:16Idrus, you said
26:18girls are two-faced
26:20until there is an offer from Kim
26:22to PKS. Is it true?
26:24I think this is the problem.
26:26When we see Jakarta,
26:28don't be separated from Indonesia.
26:30This is our big mistake
26:32when we see Jakarta
26:34separated from Indonesia.
26:36I want to say this.
26:38You are still students.
26:40You must know
26:42that the second time
26:44in this place, I said that
26:46the presidential system
26:48with multi-party
26:50brings extraordinary consequences
26:52to the government's effectiveness.
26:53The presidential government
26:55system
26:57with multi-party
26:59causes division of power.
27:02Horizontal power
27:04that the current ministers
27:06are involved in.
27:08It is divided.
27:10Then vertically,
27:12today,
27:14the president
27:16is Gerindra.
27:1838 provinces
27:20we don't know
27:21who will be the governor.
27:24Moreover, if we talk about
27:26more than 500
27:28municipalities,
27:30they are all under the leadership.
27:32The basic question is
27:34does
27:36the division of power
27:38vertically to the bottom
27:40doesn't affect the effectiveness
27:42of the government's implementation
27:44of the president's mission?
27:47This is the problem.
27:49That's why Golkar
27:51before there was
27:53an operational regulation
27:55on how the presidential system
27:57to guarantee this,
27:59Golkar pushed
28:01that Kim must be solid
28:03and must be determined
28:05to win the battle
28:07in all the states.
28:09Okay, that's the voice of the Indonesia Forward Coalition.
28:11This is not a voice,
28:13this is a matter of system
28:15and our determination.
28:17Wait, my question is not answered yet.
28:19Is it true that
28:21women are supposed to defend
28:23instead of supporting Anies forward?
28:25What?
28:27Women are supposed to defend
28:29instead of supporting Anies.
28:31That's what I said,
28:33we strategize.
28:35It's not answered.
28:37We can't say that we defend.
28:39If we strategize
28:41and the result is not forward,
28:43that's the result of the strategy
28:45that we apply.
28:47This is the way,
28:49so we can't do that.
28:51No, no, no.
28:53I'm not saying that I'm asking
28:55but the answer is
28:57the strategy is
28:59we confirm
29:01that the strategy
29:03is to defend Anies forward.
29:05First, I want to say
29:07for example,
29:09the Indonesia Forward Coalition,
29:11is it wrong for the Indonesia Forward Coalition
29:13that the citizens have the right?
29:15Second, is it wrong for Kim
29:17to communicate with the PKI
29:19and coalition in Jakarta?
29:21It's wrong.
29:23If it's not wrong,
29:25there is a way to think,
29:27as long as there is no prohibition,
29:29we can do it.
29:31This is our way of thinking.
29:33It's not about women,
29:35but if the strategy has an impact
29:37on the Indonesia Forward Coalition,
29:39that's another story.
29:41Look, there is a competition
29:43in the field.
29:45Then there was an accusation
29:47that here,
29:49there is another accusation
29:51that we won by 70%.
29:53We won by 60% in East Java.
29:56But when we lost,
29:58we only got a small percentage.
30:00Then the second one was considered wrong.
30:03This is not real.
30:06This is what I mean.
30:08If that strategy
30:10made Anies not move forward,
30:12is that part of Anies' family?
30:14No.
30:16It's a strategy.
30:18It's a strategy.
30:19We are at the top.
30:21We invite everyone to come
30:23and then we select.
30:25Let's say we invite PKS,
30:27it's not wrong.
30:29We invite PDP, it's not wrong.
30:31We invite Pertaleng, it's not wrong.
30:33Then we invite Anies,
30:35it's our candidate.
30:37It's not wrong to invite Anies.
30:39It's not wrong,
30:41but it's not possible
30:43because we already have a candidate.
30:45Although it was interesting,
30:46Golkar's candidate, Ridwan Kamil,
30:48will be more effective
30:50if he moves forward in West Java.
30:52He already has a voice there.
30:54It's a strategic interest of the party.
30:56Okay.
30:58So it's like this.
31:00Here, sometimes we talk
31:02without understanding people's thoughts.
31:04Without understanding the condition of people's party.
31:07Golkar's party is straightforward.
31:10Why is Kim's push solid?
31:12Because we want to see
31:13how the leadership of Prabowo Gibran is successful.
31:17For this success,
31:19we must win the whole of the UK.
31:21Okay, Mr. Idrut, I'll go back to the question.
31:23The internal party knows better, right?
31:25Yes, that's right.
31:27Isn't it a pity to bring Ridwan Kamil to Jakarta
31:29with the capital that is already in West Java?
31:31Well, there are bigger considerations here.
31:35For example?
31:37Yes, for example,
31:39how the leadership of Prabowo Gibran can win.
31:41If it wins,
31:43what I mean is
31:45in the future,
31:47it will be more successful.
31:49That's what I mean.
31:51If the government...
31:53Now, Kim is thinking.
31:55And I also said,
31:57Golkar is three successes.
31:59The success of the candidate,
32:01the success of the election,
32:03and the success of the leadership.
32:05For the success of the leadership,
32:07one of the conditions is
32:09Kim must be solid.
32:10There is no other way,
32:12regardless of the role.
32:14That's how we think.
32:16So we can't, we must choose...
32:18Kim is solid with Ridwan Kamil.
32:20I want to ask,
32:22isn't it a pity to bring Ridwan Kamil
32:24to West Java with the capital that is already in West Java?
32:26If I were Ridwan Kamil,
32:28I would say I'm in West Java,
32:30not in Jakarta.
32:32Why?
32:34Because in Jakarta,
32:36I'm still below 50 percent.
32:37Baliho, and so on.
32:39No. Not yet.
32:41How many percent of Jakarta people know Ridwan Kamil?
32:43As an observer,
32:45it's a pity to see Ridwan Kamil.
32:47It's a pity.
32:49It's like a bird in the hand released
32:51to chase something that is not yet clear.
32:53Something like that.
32:55What makes you attracted to Ridwan Kamil?
32:57I'll get to that later.
32:59The second thing is,
33:01I think it's a good strategy
33:03if the idea comes from Gerindra.
33:05For example,
33:07if it happens, Gerindra gets two,
33:09but Golkar gets one.
33:11Gerindra gets two,
33:13wins in Jakarta,
33:15wins in West Java.
33:17Gerindra only wins,
33:19Golkar only wins in Jakarta,
33:21not in West Java.
33:23What's next?
33:25What's next?
33:27Next is,
33:29if Gerindra can win in West Java for five years,
33:31the center of Golkar supporters,
33:33which has been one of them in West Java,
33:35will move to Gerindra.
33:37So, in 2029,
33:39the competitor in West Java is Gerindra and Golkar.
33:42That's the strategy of Jakarta.
33:45That's what I'm saying.
33:47That's what I'm saying.
33:49Sometimes I'm the one who's happy
33:51who thinks pragmatically
33:53and idealistically.
33:55We have Golkar now
33:57because we want to have a future arrangement
34:00so that the presidential administration system
34:03can run well
34:05and support.
34:07And more than that,
34:09starting from here, we learn.
34:11So, Golkar is more idealistic now,
34:13not pragmatic, right?
34:15In the framework of the future regulation.
34:17Even more than that,
34:19when I just opened it,
34:21when in the Constitutional Court,
34:23Golkar has suggested
34:25the formation of a National Ethics Council
34:27so that in the future,
34:29that's it.
34:31It will spread everywhere.
34:33No, it won't spread.
34:35This is the political calculation
34:37for the government
34:39of Prabowo Gibrang to succeed.
34:41For this to succeed,
34:43we have to win the election.
34:45Hold on. We'll continue later.
34:47Actually, to see
34:49the statement of Mr. Idris,
34:51if that's the case,
34:53Gibrang will be announced.
34:55Sorry, RK will be announced
34:57as a candidate for governor of Jakarta.
34:59That's it.
35:01But until today,
35:03there is no candidate.
35:04Now, let's take a break.
35:06We'll be right back.
35:14I'll continue.
35:16I want to go to Bung Ciko.
35:18There was an interesting statement from Bung Rey.
35:20That if Kaesang becomes a candidate
35:22for Jakarta 1,
35:24PDI, PKS, PKB can join
35:26as long as it's not Kaesang.
35:28Is it true?
35:30If it's related to Kaesang,
35:31this is the reason
35:33that Bung Rey thought
35:35that PDI will refuse Kaesang.
35:37Actually, it's not like that.
35:39If it's related to Kaesang,
35:41it's because it's not in our criteria
35:43that I mentioned earlier.
35:45That DKI Jakarta
35:47or DKJ in the future
35:49needs a leader
35:51who has experience in various offices.
35:53More because it's not in the criteria?
35:55That's right.
35:57We also have to
35:59respect PSI
36:01and so on.
36:03It can also determine
36:05if there will be 3 or 2 candidates.
36:07But in principle,
36:09the possibility is,
36:11from the beginning I've said
36:13that PDI Perjuangan opens
36:15a path of communication
36:17with any political party.
36:19With Golkar as well.
36:21With Kim as well.
36:23But if we want to
36:25talk about family,
36:27but we have to remember
36:28that in family, there's sibling rivalry.
36:31Or,
36:33the rivalry between siblings
36:35is sometimes fierce.
36:37I agree with
36:39Gerindra and Golkar.
36:41They have their own strategies
36:43to win the election in West Java
36:45and so on.
36:47That,
36:49it should be assumed
36:51that it's more of Gerindra's wish
36:53to put Kang Emil in Jakarta.
36:55That's normal.
36:56It's not Golkar's wish.
36:58If it's Golkar,
37:00with 38 million voters in West Java,
37:02it would be sexier.
37:04It was said by PKS
37:06that we don't just think
37:09that the ideal
37:12is to build Jakarta and so on.
37:14The pragmatic thinking of political party
37:16can't be separated.
37:18One of them is
37:20to secure the election in 2029.
37:23Far ahead.
37:24Far ahead.
37:26All political parties must think that way.
37:28I think, if we talk about...
37:30PDEP must also think that way, right?
37:32Of course.
37:34To reach far ahead in 2029,
37:36where will PDEP go?
37:38First, we have to recruit internal candidates.
37:41Be it governor's candidate
37:43or vice governor's candidate.
37:45It can be discussed later.
37:47It depends on which political party we're talking about.
37:49That's the point.
37:51The first and main focus for PDEP
37:52is because, first,
37:54we feel that we know
37:56how to answer the problems in Jakarta.
37:59The challenges in Jakarta,
38:01the agglomeration and so on.
38:03The change of priorities
38:05since it's no longer a city-specific area.
38:07It means that we can answer it.
38:09Why? Because we have people
38:11who have experience in various fields,
38:13in government,
38:15that we believe can be a leader in Jakarta.
38:18That's one.
38:19Second, we have a strong political engine
38:22that has been tested
38:24from candidate to candidate.
38:26Which party? We'll see.
38:29Okay, Mr. Ges.
38:31I want to add something.
38:33Mr. Idrus has said a lot.
38:35He's running out of time.
38:38It's not only about them.
38:40Because long ago,
38:42there was an assignment
38:44from the head of public party, Ngolkat Bung Edelangga.
38:46So, if we assign them here,
38:47it will be in West Java.
38:49The finalization will be the survey results.
38:52Now, we're doing a survey.
38:54Okay. Let's wait for the results.
38:56Calm down.
38:58As Anis' supporter,
39:00you must have understood
39:02who will be comfortable
39:05working with you for the political party.
39:07As for being comfortable,
39:09I'm comfortable with anyone.
39:11But what's interesting is
39:13what Mr. Idrus said earlier.
39:14That
39:16the strategy
39:19is like this.
39:21He talked about Kotong Royong,
39:23building the nation,
39:25to make it successful.
39:28So,
39:30for example,
39:32I'm
39:34the head of Alumni Association of 7th National High School.
39:37In 2004,
39:39I'll be gone.
39:41I'm preparing
39:42the best replacement for me.
39:453 to 4 to 5.
39:47The important thing is the successor will be good.
39:49Whoever it is.
39:51But not to replace the others.
39:54But according to Mr. Idrus,
39:56Kotong Royong,
39:58one of the best children of the nation,
40:00even if he can't make it,
40:02that's the strategy.
40:04So, you see, this is indeed...
40:06That's why he said that.
40:08No. So, I said earlier...
40:09It's not good to replace the others.
40:12So, is it wrong
40:14if we're the only parties?
40:16No. Because we want to manage together.
40:18So,
40:20if they want,
40:22but they don't get support,
40:24is it wrong?
40:25No.
40:27That's the problem.
40:29Now, what about there?
40:31It's the same there.
40:33Here, there's competition.
40:35As you said,
40:37in this competition,
40:39there's quality competition.
40:41Okay. Quality competition.
40:43That's it.
40:44Lastly.
40:45If it's a family,
40:46it's not like that.
40:48We're still competing.
40:49I want to talk but I laugh first.
40:52I will help you.
40:54And I won't stop you.
40:56Okay.
40:57Is it right to stop?
40:59Let's see.
41:00If it's a family,
41:01it means the son, husband, and mother will move forward.
41:03Okay.
41:04That's it.
41:05The duration is over.
41:06One more time.
41:08Of course,
41:09in every region,
41:10Jakarta needs a leader
41:12who can accommodate the people's wishes.
41:14Who is he?
41:15We will wait for November.
41:16Who will move forward?
41:17And who will fail?
41:19I'm Duyangya.
41:20I will close this evening.
41:21See you next week.
41:22See you.
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