PPP or haqumat ke darmiyan budget per deadlock
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00:00So, this was Omar Ayub's interview. Now, let's talk about this.
00:04We have with us Islamabad Bureau Chief, Khawar Ghumman.
00:07Khawar, thank you so much. Good morning.
00:09Tell us, what we saw before the budget, between the Noon League People's Party,
00:13was this just playing to the gallery? What was it?
00:18Or do you see this matter moving further?
00:23Look, obviously, it is playing to the gallery in Islamabad.
00:27All the people present in both the parties, we talk to them.
00:31So, obviously, they say,
00:33if you are in the government, then we are in the government.
00:37Now, if you look at the number game,
00:39Pakistan Muslim League Noon has 121 total members.
00:44And 71 are of the Pakistan People's Party.
00:47To remain Prime Minister, or to maintain the current government,
00:51the number required in the National Assembly is 167.
00:55Therefore, it is understandable that without the government benches of the Pakistan People's Party,
01:02the government falls.
01:04And if the government does not pass the Finance Bill,
01:07then it means that the government is facing a vote of no confidence.
01:13Therefore, you should understand that if the Pakistan People's Party does not vote,
01:18or does not support the bill, then this government will end.
01:22If you put this issue in front of you,
01:25do you see it happening? Not at all.
01:28Obviously, you got the leadership under a treaty.
01:31You got the chairmanship of the Senate under a treaty.
01:36You got the Governor of Punjab, the largest province of Pakistan, under a treaty.
01:43Yes, yes.
01:46Governor KP.
01:47Yes, that Governor KP.
01:49So, you got all these positions under a treaty.
01:52Obviously, the Pakistan People's Party thinks that it is a party of the poor,
01:58which is in favor of the rights of the poor.
02:03One thing is that you are trying to improve your image in front of the public,
02:09but don't you think that it is going to create trouble for PMLN?
02:13Because if one party's image is good, then the image of the other party will be bad.
02:17So, what does the PMLN think about this?
02:19The second thing is that there can be some such demands
02:24in the face of this discontent, which the People's Party may want to keep,
02:27regarding the budget.
02:30Yes, this is the real thing.
02:32Especially, they need some money for the morning.
02:36Especially, the flood affected areas,
02:40they need some money for those areas.
02:44You saw in the last day, there was a storm in Lahore.
02:47They also expressed their concern about it.
02:50So, I think there is a lion's share in the PSGP,
02:53that will be solved.
02:54I don't think that the Pakistan People's Party,
02:56on one fine morning, when the issue of voting will come up on the budget,
03:00they will come and say that we were voting on this.
03:02Look, the budget has just been presented.
03:03Now, there is going to be a debate on this.
03:05Towards the end of this month, this budget will be passed.
03:07And the real issue, the real story will be revealed
03:11when the day of voting will come.
03:13Will they not be present on that day?
03:15You will see.
03:16The whole community will be behind their leader.
03:19So, Khawar, they are saying that they can tolerate it,
03:21apart from the government's attitude.
03:23They won't step back even an inch.
03:25Yes, and they won't step back even an inch from their demands.
03:27And they have told their delegation that they don't want to listen to anything.
03:31So, do they have these demands?
03:33By the way, you people are very innocent.
03:36Thank you, Mr. Satish.
03:38Now, especially the people who live in Karachi,
03:41they should also be asked this question.
03:43Did you see that in the past, in the recent past,
03:47every other month, every fourth month,
03:50we are going, we are getting separated,
03:52you can't stay with us.
03:54It is a principled policy.
03:55And after that, God willing,
03:57all the matters are going on together.
04:00So, this is just a matter of saying.
04:02I have asked you four or five questions.
04:03Khawar, let me tell you one thing.
04:05First of all, it is a principled policy.
04:08And secondly, along with that,
04:10they join the government for the betterment of the people.
04:13That is the only purpose.
04:15You are forgetting one thing.
04:17For the national interest.
04:19After the interest of the people and the party,
04:22it is a matter of the national interest.
04:25We have decided on the national interest.
04:27Okay.
04:28Brother, tell me one more thing.
04:30Before we get off the track,
04:33tell me that in the beginning,
04:35do you remember,
04:36a long time ago,
04:38we used to mention that Maulana Fazlur Rehman
04:40will be contacted from the other side as well.
04:42So, Shahbaz Sharif reached there.
04:44Yes.
04:45So, now,
04:46from what perspective will Tehrik-e-Insaf
04:48be looking at this meeting?
04:50Look,
04:51regarding Tehrik-e-Insaf,
04:53one thing has been kept in mind.
04:55Tehrik-e-Insaf has to be based on only one thing.
04:58One is that their leaders,
05:00the founders,
05:01they have to stay in the country.
05:03If they stay in the country,
05:04because in the past,
05:05when the time came for different political parties,
05:08we don't take names,
05:09their leaders left the country.
05:11Whether it is the Pakistan People's Party,
05:13or the Pakistan Muslim League.
05:14After that,
05:15obviously,
05:16you had to take a long break.
05:17Now,
05:18the Bani PTI,
05:19whether it is hot,
05:21whether the situation is bad,
05:22whether they will stay in the country,
05:23so far,
05:24the news is that
05:25whatever their stand is,
05:26they are present in the country.
05:27Yesterday,
05:28you heard the interview of Haji Bari.
05:30Now,
05:31what is he saying to Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman?
05:34See,
05:35what the BTI is doing,
05:37is obviously right,
05:38I think.
05:39They are saying that
05:40we are not asking anything from anyone.
05:42We are not bargaining with anyone.
05:44We are just saying one thing,
05:46that according to the law and the constitution,
05:48the country should follow the law and the constitution,
05:50whatever decisions are made,
05:51they should make those decisions.
05:53You are seeing,
05:54I mean,
05:55what the government is doing
05:56regarding the election tabloids.
05:57They bring ordinances,
05:58if that decision
05:59was going to be made
06:00regarding the three seats
06:01of the Parliament.
06:02In Lahore,
06:03eight election tribunals
06:04have been closed.
06:05On top of that,
06:06Jinnah Baila has gone
06:07against him
06:08in the Supreme Court.
06:09So,
06:10basically,
06:11see,
06:12in my opinion,
06:13we are putting aside
06:14all the political parties
06:15for a while.
06:16We see,
06:17the fifth largest democracy
06:18in the world.
06:19There,
06:20we are a big country
06:21in terms of population.
06:22We are a nuclear state.
06:23If we have to present ourselves
06:24in front of the world
06:25as a responsible country,
06:26then it is very important
06:27that in the country,
06:28our work should be
06:29rule-based.
06:30According to the constitution,
06:31according to the law,
06:32the give-and-take
06:33that we have been doing
06:34for the past six years,
06:35there is no benefit
06:36in that.
06:37If we follow the constitution,
06:38it is beneficial
06:39to any political party
06:40across the board.
06:41It should be there.
06:42The public's opinion
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