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At a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday, Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) clashed with Ambassador Norm Eisen over Trump and Biden.

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00:00That objection gentleman from Texas is recognized for five minutes.
00:04Thank the chairman.
00:08Ambassador Eisen, a quick question.
00:12Is the Biden campaign guilty of interference in the 2020 election?
00:19No.
00:22The President Biden say repeatedly to the Biden administration repeatedly declare the
00:28Hunter Biden laptop Russian disinformation?
00:33I am not an authority on the statements or on the laptop.
00:38Come on.
00:39Come on.
00:40Was that not repeatedly stated by the president of the United States and the and the president's
00:46campaign?
00:47For example, the President Biden not say in a debate, look, there are 50 former national
00:53intelligence folks who said that what he's accusing me of is a Russian plan.
00:57They have said this is all the characteristics for five former heads of the CIA, both parties
01:03that we think is a bunch of garbage.
01:05Nobody believes except him and his good friend, Rudy Giuliani, and they go through and talk
01:08about it.
01:09That was that not a central feature of the campaign in 2020 by President Biden?
01:15I do think it's very important to distinguish between the vigorous debate that we've seen
01:21here today, extremely vigorous and a violation of.
01:30Was Hunter Biden was violation of election was Hunter Biden was Hunter Biden convicted
01:35this week based on evidence obtained in that laptop?
01:40In part?
01:41Yes.
01:42Yes.
01:43Hunter Biden was convicted this week and information was brought out from that laptop, which President
01:47Biden and his campaign repeatedly referred to as disinformation in the 2020 campaign.
01:53So the former president is or is not guilty or is or is not, you know, engaged in activity
02:02that could be described as election interference.
02:07There's a difference between falsifying documents to cover up and OK, well, it's time to interfere
02:14with an election by if I may finish my sentence.
02:16No, no, no.
02:17It's my time.
02:18There is a difference between breaking the law and political debate.
02:21OK, so let's let me ask you this question.
02:23What is the first date, the first date of a crime that is alleged to have been committed
02:30by President Trump?
02:32The actual date of the crime, the date of the initial crimes were when the conspiracy
02:43to interfere with the 2016 election was formed in August 2015 at Trump Tower when David Pecker,
02:55an independent witness, testified that he, Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump agreed on a conspiracy
03:02to violate New York law.
03:04Was it not the crime that Alvin Bragg alleged first committed was on February 14th, 2017?
03:11That is when the actual crime?
03:12That is when the cover up occurred.
03:15Was that is a different element of the crime?
03:18The conspiracy began August 2015.
03:21The fact of the matter is, and for what?
03:23Are NDAs illegal?
03:25When an NDA is used to facilitate an illegal campaign contribution over $127,000 in excess
03:34of the legal limits, yes, it is a means, it is an unlawful means.
03:39As the gentleman from Kentucky just pointed out, the absurdity of that assertion is plain
03:47based on what he was just making in his case.
03:50But the fact is, you have in February of 2017, well after the 2016 election, the first crime
03:57that is even referenced in what the District Attorney Bragg was doing, and I would just
04:04ask Mr. Schroeder, do you see the problem here in terms of the timing, and then can
04:11you add an element here in my last minute on the extent to which the FEC, and importantly
04:17the Department of Justice, as you alluded to in your testimony, failed to pursue this,
04:22or failed, chose not to pursue this?
04:25Thank you, Congressman.
04:26The Department of Justice investigated this very vigorously, in fact, they asked the Federal
04:31Election Commission to abate our proceedings for over a year for them to go in and investigate
04:36this.
04:37They investigated all of the individuals involved in all of the money that was being talked
04:42about in this idea that there was some sort of conspiracy.
04:45They took to a grand jury and got nothing back from it.
04:48The only reason that they ultimately concluded to prosecute Mr. Cohen is because he admitted
04:54to a crime in a plea deal.
04:56And then they bundled all that back up and shipped it over to the FEC and said, here
05:00you go guys, but your statute of limitations is run, you can't investigate anything either.

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