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۔PTI Chief, Qureshi acquitted in cipher case - Barrister Shahbaz Khosa Told Complete Details
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00:00 Asalam o alikum viewers, welcome to the program.
00:02 It's the first day of the week and our first program.
00:05 Today's program is a big development, a big news.
00:09 It was expected last week but it got delayed.
00:13 The two members of the High Court of Islamabad have decided on the Cypher case.
00:19 And the Cypher case has been completely closed.
00:22 Kaladam has been declared, the 10-year sentence.
00:27 The case is against Bani PTI and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's Vice Chairman, Shah Maud Qureshi.
00:33 And obviously, this is a big case.
00:35 And as a result of this case, Shah Maud Qureshi, obviously, he has a few more small cases.
00:41 Maybe he is hoping that he will get out of this soon.
00:45 But obviously, the number of cases in Pakistan that are being made every day,
00:50 especially on PTI, some people think that they will be able to get out of this soon.
00:55 Hassan Ayub will tell us more about this.
00:58 But viewers, we would like to share a little history of the Cypher case with you.
01:04 First of all, let's take you to March 31, 2022.
01:10 This is the Prime Minister's Office, at that time it was the government of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
01:14 Bani PTI Chairman, at that time he was the Prime Minister.
01:18 Let's put this third paragraph in front of you.
01:20 There is a meeting of the National Security Committee.
01:23 The committee expressed grave concern at the communication,
01:26 terming the language used by the foreign official as undiplomatic.
01:30 The committee concluded that the communication amounted to blatant interference
01:34 in the internal affairs of Pakistan,
01:36 blatant interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan by the country in question,
01:41 which was unacceptable under any circumstances.
01:45 After that, the government changes in April 22.
01:49 Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif becomes the Prime Minister.
01:52 And this committee, the first meeting of the National Security Committee,
01:57 which was held by Bani PTI as the Prime Minister,
02:02 this committee also said that NSC, after examining the contents of the communication,
02:08 reaffirmed the decisions of the last National Security Committee.
02:12 So, this decision to issue a demarche to the American ambassador,
02:18 Bani PTI and the current Prime Minister,
02:23 at that time, Shahbaz Sharif, were on the same page.
02:28 After that, the decision of this case is on 30th, 1st, 2024.
02:33 Dawn's news is in front of me.
02:35 Imran Khan Shahbaz Qureshi sentences to 10 years in jail in cipher case.
02:39 Apart from this, viewers, we put in front of you,
02:42 the order that came, this hearing was held on 22nd December, 2023.
02:46 When the Supreme Court accepted the bail petition of Shahbaz Qureshi and Bani PTI.
02:54 This was a three-member bench.
02:56 Justice Sardar Tariq Masood was there.
02:58 He was the head.
02:59 Justice Syed Mansoor Ali Shah was there.
03:01 And Justice Atar Manela was there.
03:03 And if you read this judgment, which he said that there are no evidences,
03:08 and bail is made, and this is very unnecessary,
03:12 he has kept them inside for no reason, election is coming,
03:15 so keeping a big political party leader inside the current situation is unnecessary.
03:19 This can undermine the electoral process in Pakistan.
03:24 So, try this case as soon as possible, and then decide whatever you want to decide.
03:31 Shahbaz Khosla is with us.
03:34 We will talk to him about this case.
03:36 But first of all, viewers, Mr. Rana Sonala had made a statement about the cipher case.
03:42 We will show you that.
03:45 There is no facilitation in the cases in which the punishment was given in the last week,
03:51 the punishment given for 31 years.
03:54 So, the way those punishments have been given, the way those cases are going on,
03:57 that is not right.
03:59 As a law student, I myself think that they will not be able to sustain.
04:05 So, if the judge who will go in front of him, if he will work with justice,
04:08 then what will he do?
04:10 Either he will remand him, send him back, or he will fire him.
04:15 So, according to Mr. Rana Sonala, the judge will work with justice.
04:21 Judge Sahiwan has taken the decision today, he has worked with justice, and the decision has been made.
04:26 Mr. Shahbaz Khosla is a senior lawyer, he is with us from the Supreme Court.
04:29 Mr. Shahbaz, you have seen and heard this case.
04:33 All the prosecution teams that were presented there, instead of having a witness present there,
04:43 everyone used to say that today I have a headache, I have a sore leg,
04:47 I have to go out today, I have to go there.
04:50 No one fought the case.
04:52 And then what was the court supposed to do?
04:54 At least tell us, what country did we have diplomatic problems with?
04:57 What political benefit did we take?
05:00 But nothing was proven.
05:03 You saw that, and eventually this judgment came.
05:06 Look, unfortunately, in Pakistan, the culture of political victimization has been going on for a long time.
05:14 And all these cases, all the scenarios are the same.
05:21 If you look at the cases filed against Imran Khan,
05:24 it seems that someone was given the task to quickly make all the cases that are made.
05:30 And in a hurry, they did not get the right cases, so they made the cases on whatever they got.
05:37 Now if you look at this cipher case, this is a very prime example of this.
05:43 That a letter sent by your ambassador to your foreign embassy to your own foreign ministry,
05:53 and in that he told the circumstances of the meeting that took place between him and a deputy secretary.
06:00 And he told him that that deputy secretary was from a foreign country,
06:05 he was telling me that if you remove Imran Khan, your sins will be forgiven.
06:09 So what is this message?
06:12 Did Shah Mahmood Qureshi have to keep it a secret or tell his prime minister?
06:17 And he told him.
06:19 And when your prime minister is told that a foreign country has given such a message,
06:26 will he not keep it in front of the people politically?
06:29 Okay, then you told this, two national security council meetings took place.
06:35 This was endorsed in them that this interference was from a foreign country.
06:40 So what was the matter in this cipher?
06:42 If this case of prosecution was taken even if it was considered, then it was not worth punishing.
06:50 And this case was forced.
06:53 Then this case was forced.
06:56 Judges, respected judges were pressurized and decisions were taken in it.
07:01 It is present in front of you that what observations came in its Supreme Court.
07:05 And Rana Sanaullah is absolutely right that when there was no merit in this case,
07:11 it was not being made, and on top of that, the way it was run,
07:15 its outcome was to come and this is the same in other cases.
07:17 Mr. Shahbaz Qureshi, my question is that you see that Justice,
07:21 Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court, Justice Amir Farooq, Mr. Rao Fasan,
07:26 used very offensive words and which were inappropriate.
07:31 Despite this, they have seen that earlier in the case of NAB,
07:37 they were acquitted of suspension of sentence and now they have been acquitted in the cipher case.
07:43 So what is the regret on the words used by Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
07:48 which are the secret reports of Pakistan Law?
07:52 Look, this question may be appropriate for them, but as far as I am concerned,
07:59 I condemn, this type of word selection should not be done at all,
08:03 no person should do it, whether it is Mr. Rao Fasan or anyone else,
08:08 he is the Chief Justice of our court, we can have a disagreement with him,
08:14 we can have a severe disagreement with him, but the selection of offensive words is not appropriate.
08:21 We should register our disagreement.
08:23 Absolutely right, let's go to Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
08:26 he will talk to you, but unfortunately, Mr. Khosla,
08:29 our political parties across the board, who come to the right and praise it,
08:35 otherwise they start holding meetings in front of Constitution Avenue,
08:39 this is across the board, unfortunately, this should not happen.
08:42 But Mr. Khawar Govind, is there permission or not?
08:47 Yes, yes, permission is allowed.
08:49 You should also go and break the face of the person who is standing outside with the case.
08:55 You have been asked to do this program, that there is no harm to the people,
09:00 no, no, he has harmed India, hang him.
09:05 Then you come and sit with Rao Fasan.
09:10 And answer?
09:11 Someone should also take his own advice.
09:13 Mr. Khosla, please say that,
09:17 after today, whatever has happened with Mr. Khan for 10 months,
09:25 and with his party for 2.5 years, there is no excuse for that.
09:30 But we should understand that the courts are at our feet,
09:35 and we will decide within the framework of the law.
09:39 Okay, let's ask Mr. Chaudhary, our line has been dropped by Mr. Khosla.
09:44 Mr. Chaudhary, the way you are talking outside, it has become very dirty.
09:47 Mr. Chaudhary, you are not being heard.
09:49 Mr. Nagvi, you have seen and heard the entire case,
09:52 there was a debate on it.
09:54 Obviously, the case was fought in the court,
09:57 and today its decision has come, and it is a successful decision.
10:00 Your comments from the two members of the bench.
10:03 First tell me, is Mr. Khosla on the line?
10:06 We are trying to get him on the line.
10:10 I will give you an answer.
10:12 Look, the court has decided, and obviously the courts decide.
10:16 And what can be said about that?
10:20 What do you think about Pakistan's politics?
10:22 Because Mr. Shah Mukherjee was punished in this case,
10:25 the other cases against him are still pending,
10:28 but obviously, the case is still pending,
10:30 and there is an investigation on it.
10:32 Look, the decisions are coming, and more decisions will come.
10:35 Some will be in favor, some will be against,
10:37 and the decisions will keep coming, and the process will continue.
10:40 And this is Pakistan's politics, for the last 7-8 years.
10:43 The direction of Pakistan's politics is in the hands of the courts,
10:47 and they have been operating on that since 2017.
10:50 Mr. Khosla is on the line, Mr. Nagvi, you can ask your question.
10:52 I wanted to ask Mr. Khosla a question.
10:54 Mr. Khosla spoke very well.
10:56 If the prosecution could prove this case...
10:59 You are taking my question as well.
11:01 Yes, yes, I am taking yours as well.
11:03 Mr. Khosla spoke very well.
11:05 If the prosecution could prove this case,
11:07 then too, the punishment would not have been given.
11:09 He said it absolutely right.
11:11 I want to ask one thing.
11:13 Is the punishment given for not taking salary from the son?
11:17 Tell me.
11:19 You have presented a very good comparative analysis.
11:23 Yes, yes, Mr. Khosla.
11:25 This is a very good question.
11:27 In that case, there were many other incidents,
11:31 but the punishment was given on the weakest aspect.
11:34 Although, in that case,
11:36 many other things could have been punished,
11:38 but this punishment was not given.
11:40 Mr. Chaudhary, you can ask your question.
11:44 Mr. Chaudhary, repeat it again.
11:46 Mr. Chaudhary, you can ask your question.
11:48 Mr. Khosla, you have taken the most votes,
11:52 and have been appointed as the Additional Secretary of the Supreme Court.
11:56 Which is not a joke.
11:58 It is a big institution.
12:01 You tell me, the way the country is going,
12:04 and for the past two and a half years,
12:06 and what is happening now,
12:08 will it reverse?
12:10 And will the country, under the law and order,
12:12 where there are riots,
12:15 or revenge activities,
12:17 or people's houses are broken,
12:19 or whatever the incident was,
12:21 will there be any guarantee
12:25 that the market for more revenge activities will be kept hot?
12:30 Look, sir,
12:33 for those who are sensible,
12:35 there is a lot of hinting.
12:37 I think when the evil increases so much,
12:39 then goodness comes.
12:41 And because in the last few years,
12:43 we have crossed a lot of limits
12:45 in spoiling our country.
12:48 We should always wait for the ray of hope.
12:52 There is always light at the end of the tunnel.
12:54 We have seen that
12:56 after 9th May,
12:59 we have seen the country's laws and order flying in the air.
13:03 We are now on the side of retrieval.
13:05 And I hope that all these politicians
13:08 will also have a chance to rethink.
13:10 I have been saying from the first day,
13:12 that when your opponent goes to jail,
13:15 you should not celebrate,
13:17 you should start counting your own counts.
13:20 So, the people who are in power right now,
13:25 they should still be conscious.
13:28 And they should take their own steps.
13:30 Move forward.
13:32 Run the law in the way of justice and order.
13:36 Solve the issues of seats.
13:38 PTI is a reality.
13:41 A reality which is here to stay.
13:44 Instead of trying to end it with such cases,
13:49 solve these issues by sitting with them.
13:52 So that the country does not have to face such situations again.
13:56 Mr. Shibas Ghosh, you were saying that
13:59 Mr. Nawaz Sharif was punished for not taking his son's salary.
14:04 There were many other things in that case.
14:07 So, according to me,
14:08 if the Cypher case was not taken to the long sentence,
14:11 then if this case was kept on the short sentence,
14:13 then it was a good case.
14:15 Because there are 2-3 things in it,
14:17 if you disagree, then tell me.
14:19 Is this copy of Cypher still not missing?
14:22 First thing.
14:23 Second thing is that,
14:25 can an important national document like Cypher be made public?
14:32 And can it not be a crime in the eyes of the court to make it public?
14:36 Even if it was proven,
14:38 the prosecution case would not have been punished.
14:40 So, the last thing.
14:42 I will talk about the last thing.
14:44 I am talking on my behalf.
14:46 You allow me.
14:47 The case is over.
14:48 The case is not over yet.
14:50 You can go to the Supreme Court.
14:52 The last thing I have a question for you.
14:54 The last thing I have a question for you.
14:56 He was telling me to go out and wash my face.
14:58 So, has anyone heard Imran Khan's audio?
15:01 When he was talking to Azam Khan,
15:03 that I have to play on Cypher.
15:05 Was there a hearing problem at that time?
15:08 Everyone heard that, right?
15:10 So, that is also present in front of him.
15:13 He did not take it as evidence in the court.
15:16 But there is a reality.
15:18 Cypher has been played.
15:20 Look, Mr. Hassan.
15:22 Mr. Hassan, Imran Khan was a leader of a political party.
15:27 He was the Prime Minister at that time.
15:30 If this conspiracy against the government of that time,
15:33 which was said to have been carried out by two national security committees,
15:37 in which the members of the country's top military leadership,
15:40 were sitting and endorsed him,
15:43 was it not the Prime Minister's right that he should disclose it?
15:47 There is no mention of conspiracy.
15:49 That he should disclose it.
15:51 In this Cypher, look at the contents of Cypher.
15:54 This Prime Minister, at that time,
15:56 he had declassified this Cypher in the Cabinet meeting.
16:00 And if it is not the Prime Minister's right,
16:03 such a thing, such a thing.
16:05 Sir, he had said it.
16:07 It was said in the last Cabinet meeting of Imran Khan.
16:11 Okay, no, it was said in the last meeting of the National Security Committee.
16:16 Blatant interference was said.
16:18 What was the openness in internal affairs?
16:21 The interference on it, whatever it is.
16:24 No, no, what is blatant interference?
16:27 What is interference?
16:29 You explain it to two people.
16:32 Okay, now it has happened.
16:34 Demarche has been issued on it.
16:36 It was completely open.
16:38 Okay, now tell me, this case of Iddat,
16:41 the decision of the case was secured,
16:43 a request was also issued,
16:45 despite its distrust,
16:47 then you saw that fight took place,
16:49 terrorism was done there by the lawyer of PTI.
16:53 And now all kinds of things have happened,
16:55 so what are you seeing about that?
16:57 Now, it has been dated to 25th June.
17:02 Look, sir, this is also a similar kind of a stupid case,
17:05 which has been made in a hurry.
17:07 And with any reference to it,
17:10 with any legal claim,
17:12 if in the history of Islam for 1400 years,
17:14 such a case has not been punished,
17:16 then it will not be in this case either.
17:18 Khawaja, thank you very much for giving time.
17:20 Okay, now Hassan Bhai is coming to this.
17:22 It is obvious that a blatant interference
17:25 is an accepted fact in the National Security Committee meeting.
17:28 You worked on it, what was it?
17:30 Because of which, the Demarche was also issued.
17:33 What was that?
17:35 In the NSC meeting,
17:38 we are talking about the first meeting and the second meeting.
17:40 Both have the same thing.
17:42 Where is written in the second meeting?
17:44 Show me in the second meeting.
17:46 I will show you.
17:48 I have not read it.
17:50 The second meeting of the National Security Committee.
17:52 Listen, after examining the contents of the communication,
17:57 the first thing you have to do is
18:00 reaffirm the decisions of the last NSC.
18:02 Reaffirm the decisions of the last NSC.
18:04 He did not use the word blatant interference in the second meeting.
18:08 He said, reaffirm the decisions.
18:10 He did not want to make fun of his National Security.
18:14 Then you have to put something on the international forum.
18:18 You have to put a face-saving.
18:20 This is the first committee meeting.
18:22 You have to put your face-saving.
18:24 The people of the armed forces are also sitting in it.
18:27 The committee expressed grave concern at the communication
18:31 terming the language used by the foreign official as undiplomatic.
18:35 The committee concluded that the communication amounted to blatant interference
18:38 in the internal affairs of Pakistan by the country in question,
18:41 which was unacceptable under any circumstances.
18:44 Let's see what date the decision has come.
18:48 How much time is it taking to see the date of the first NSC meeting?
18:52 If it was such a serious issue, why did they take up the meeting?
18:55 We hope that the next prosecution will be done by Mr. Rizwan Abasi.
18:59 I think Mr. Rizwan Abasi should consult Mr. Hassan Ayub.
19:03 Yes, I will consult him.
19:05 Because Mr. Hassan Ayub has a lot of experience.
19:07 He has done a lot of reporting.
19:09 He can give them very good advice.
19:11 He has given him millions of rupees.
19:13 He will give Arjun in every case.
19:15 His record is running.
19:17 When the matter of bail was being discussed, I did not say anything.
19:20 Why did he give the case?
19:22 He did not even talk about it.
19:24 He changed it.
19:26 Mr. Rizwan Abasi was not in the High Court.
19:28 He went to the Trial Court.
19:30 You have made so many mistakes in the trial.
19:32 This is a very strong case.
19:34 This is a very strong case.
19:36 The trial has benefited.
19:38 Who conspired?
19:40 I think we should ask Mr. Abasi.
19:42 Who conspired?
19:44 I will ask Mr. Rizwan Abasi.
19:46 You were doing the trial.
19:48 Why did you leave the mistakes?
19:50 What did Mr. Rana Sonawla say?
19:52 There are mistakes in the trial.
19:54 It is possible that the case will be retrialed.
19:56 I think the prosecution is failing.
19:58 But the case of Saifar is the truth.
20:00 Mr. Abasi played with Saifar.
20:02 Let's go to the break.
20:04 After the break, we will talk about another case.
20:06 It was heard in the Supreme Court.
20:08 It is about the reserve seats.
20:10 Sunitha Council and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
20:12 What is going on with them?
20:14 What is going on with them?
20:16 What is going on with them?
20:18 The hearing will be held again tomorrow.
20:20 But today, the remarks of the judges will be presented.
20:22 But today, the remarks of the judges will be presented.
20:24 Welcome back.
20:26 The Supreme Court heard the case.
20:28 The Supreme Court heard the case.
20:30 The lawyer of Sunitha Council, Mr. Faisal Siddiqi,
20:32 The lawyer of Sunitha Council, Mr. Faisal Siddiqi,
20:34 gave his arguments.
20:36 gave his arguments.
20:38 The remarks of the judges will be presented.
20:40 The remarks of the judges will be presented.
20:42 First, Justice Irfan Saadat
20:44 First, Justice Irfan Saadat
20:46 gave his comments.
20:48 This is one side of the argument.
20:50 This is one side of the argument.
20:52 This is one side of the argument.
20:54 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
20:56 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
20:58 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:00 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:02 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:04 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:06 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:08 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:10 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:12 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:14 The Supreme Court has not participated in the election.
21:16 This is one side of the argument.
21:18 This is one side of the argument.
21:20 This is one side of the argument.
21:22 This is one side of the argument.
21:24 This is one side of the argument.
21:26 This is one side of the argument.
21:28 This is one side of the argument.
21:30 This is one side of the argument.
21:32 This is one side of the argument.
21:34 This is one side of the argument.
21:36 This is one side of the argument.
21:38 This is one side of the argument.
21:40 This is one side of the argument.
21:42 This is one side of the argument.
21:44 This is one side of the argument.
21:46 This is one side of the argument.
21:48 This is one side of the argument.
21:50 This is one side of the argument.
21:52 This is one side of the argument.
21:54 This is one side of the argument.
21:56 This is one side of the argument.
21:58 This is one side of the argument.
22:00 This is one side of the argument.
22:02 This is one side of the argument.
22:04 This is one side of the argument.
22:06 This is one side of the argument.
22:08 This is one side of the argument.
22:10 This is one side of the argument.
22:12 Can't it be justified under Article 17
22:14 that the right of the candidate
22:16 should be returned to the PTI?
22:18 That should be claimed.
22:20 Sir, there are thousands of such wishes.
22:22 Sir, there are thousands of such wishes.
22:24 There are thousands of such wishes
22:26 that every wish comes true.
22:28 Our reporter had also made such a wish.
22:30 You will know his comment on this.
22:32 Justice Muneeb Akhtar was also present.
22:34 Obviously, there was a full court setting.
22:36 He also, especially
22:38 in relation to Election Act 2017,
22:40 he also spoke about this.
22:42 After that, Justice Mando Khel said
23:08 that the party was present
23:10 and the candidate was present.
23:12 But, a decision was made.
23:14 What did he say?
23:16 We should not say that
23:18 PTI was in disarray.
23:20 PTI had made a disarray
23:22 in the list of candidates.
23:24 They had submitted a list of special candidates.
23:26 Is it correct?
23:28 Yes.
23:30 Obviously, the candidate was present.
23:32 The list of reserved seats was also made.
23:34 But, after that, the Supreme Court's decision
23:36 was made.
23:38 Justice Atal Manila commented
23:40 on the role of Election Commission.
23:42 What is the role of Election Commission?
23:44 It has to ensure
23:46 that each political party
23:48 gets its right
23:50 so that no one is disfranchised.
23:52 This whole matter
23:54 is of the people.
23:56 The people cannot be
23:58 disfranchised in any way.
24:00 And this was the duty of the Election Commission.
24:02 These technicalities
24:04 and knowledge
24:06 could not be taken
24:08 by the people.
24:10 That is the spirit
24:12 of Article 17.
24:14 And the Election Commission
24:16 should have corrected
24:18 this mistake.
24:20 The people should not have been
24:22 disfranchised.
24:24 Ladies and gentlemen,
24:26 the article
24:28 that Justice Atal Manila is referring to
24:30 is a very fundamental point.
24:32 Most political parties in Pakistan
24:34 like PMLN, People's Party,
24:36 JUIF,
24:38 and BJP keep this point in mind.
24:40 People vote for this.
24:42 So, if there was a mistake,
24:44 the Election Commission should have ensured
24:46 that the person who voted for this,
24:48 got the vote.
24:50 What did Faisal Siddiqui say
24:52 when he was asked to conclude?
24:54 I was saying that
24:56 the ECP
24:58 took our ballot
25:00 and then asked us to bat.
25:02 How can we bat?
25:04 We don't have a ballot.
25:06 But they say that without a ballot,
25:08 we can bat.
25:10 If there is a believer,
25:12 he can bat without a ballot.
25:14 If there is a believer,
25:16 he can bat without a ballot.
25:18 Mr. Nakri,
25:20 your argument
25:22 that you took a consistent line
25:24 in the beginning,
25:26 most of the comments
25:28 that I understood today,
25:30 were of the same kind,
25:32 that the rightful person should get it.
25:34 I am saying the same thing today.
25:36 The court has come forward
25:38 much later.
25:40 I have been saying from the first day
25:42 that this is not the right of the
25:44 United Nations.
25:46 The court should decide
25:48 whether the Sunni Council
25:50 gets the seats or not.
25:52 But this is not the right of the
25:54 United Nations.
25:56 These seats are not of the United Nations.
25:58 And you are establishing
26:00 a wrong tradition by taking these seats.
26:02 You took the seats back.
26:04 Now let's see what the court decides.
26:06 Whether the seats go to Shirdi or not.
26:08 Please.
26:10 The first segment,
26:12 I asked you a question,
26:14 you left a comment on it.
26:16 I wanted to say something very briefly.
26:18 See, our political leaders
26:20 are not elected because they are punished.
26:22 Cases are not made on them
26:24 because they are punished.
26:26 Tell me about a political leader
26:28 who fulfilled his punishment.
26:30 No one does that.
26:32 It happened with Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
26:34 that he was given a false sentence.
26:36 Apart from that, all our political leaders,
26:38 whether they are of small or large parties,
26:40 those who went to jail,
26:42 no one has ever fulfilled their punishment.
26:44 Or his sentences are over.
26:46 Or the punishment given in his case
26:48 was later declared black.
26:50 So the Pakistani people need to understand this.
26:52 Whether it is the Cypher case or the
26:54 coming cases,
26:56 the cases that have come in the last
26:58 few years, the political leaders
27:00 were not given a chance to fulfill their punishment
27:02 or to continue their punishment.
27:04 My opinion on this, Banerjee sahib,
27:06 is that Pakistan has to move forward.
27:08 We have played the game of cat and mouse enough.
27:10 100%.
27:12 Chaudhary Ghulam Sain sahib,
27:14 today you saw the case, heard the comments
27:16 that you received from various judges.
27:18 Now, obviously, there is a legal point
27:20 that needs to be interpreted.
27:22 There are various doubts in the constitution
27:24 and there is a disagreement on it.
27:26 So, tomorrow there will be a hearing
27:28 on this again.
27:30 The hope is that the solution
27:32 to this issue will be found.
27:34 Your thoughts, sir?
27:36 I will say one sentence.
27:38 The country is becoming
27:40 an environment that will
27:42 go towards the practice of
27:44 the law and the constitution,
27:46 today or tomorrow.
27:48 God willing, no one can survive without it.
27:50 We are the fifth largest country in terms of population.
27:52 What do you think?
27:54 There has been an injustice.
27:56 It needs to be rectified.
28:00 An injustice?
28:04 An injustice of a voter.
28:06 You tell us.
28:08 I will tell you.
28:10 The question is,
28:12 all the people,
28:14 and we are present during the transmission,
28:16 all the people who voted for the independent,
28:18 who went to the Sunni Council,
28:20 who has been given the post of a parliamentary party,
28:22 who voted for the PTI,
28:24 who voted for the PTI's good or bad views,
28:26 their right is that
28:28 their right is not being given.
28:30 The problem is that neither the PTI
28:34 nor the Sunni Council
28:36 have taken part in the election.
28:38 But they are asking for specific seats.
28:40 Whether the PTI or the Sunni Council
28:42 are asking for seats.
28:44 This is your main case.
28:46 The question is,
28:48 you can look at the last three or four assemblies,
28:50 whether you look at the National Assembly
28:52 or the Parliamentary Assembly,
28:54 all the free people who
28:56 say that we will not
28:58 join any party,
29:00 they remain independent.
29:02 But their specific seats
29:04 which are the existing parliamentary parties
29:06 in the parliament, they have been distributed.
29:08 This has not happened before.
29:10 This has not happened in the last three or four assemblies.
29:12 But they are not free.
29:14 They have been united as a united front.
29:16 Now the question is,
29:18 they have requested the Sunni Commission
29:20 through the Speaker's Office
29:22 and their parliamentary party has been accepted.
29:24 But the registered party
29:26 with which they have gone,
29:28 has contested the election.
29:30 Article 51 says that
29:32 winning one seat is a condition.
29:34 No seat was taken in this election.
29:36 That condition,
29:38 that condition was not fulfilled.
29:40 Some of our judges are saying
29:42 that they are talking about Article 17.
29:44 I am talking about something else.
29:46 Let's talk about Article 17 and then I will move ahead.
29:48 Look, regarding Article 17,
29:50 the people have this right.
29:52 But the people have the right,
29:54 the framers of the constitution,
29:56 who were the representatives of the people,
29:58 they made the constitution for the people
30:00 that the country will run in that way.
30:02 In that, the seats
30:04 which were given,
30:06 were allocated for political parties.
30:08 They were not allocated
30:10 for the group of independents.
30:12 So this is what the constitution says.
30:14 Article 51 says that.
30:16 Now what can I do?
30:18 Now the judges have to make a decision.
30:20 They have to make a decision.
30:22 But the 63A decision has to be made.
30:24 The lawyer, Faisal Siddiqui,
30:26 has put his case there.
30:28 Look, there are two things.
30:30 On one side, a political party
30:32 fights the general elections,
30:34 wins the seats and leaves.
30:36 And they take it with their consent.
30:38 And the second way is that
30:40 a political party does not fight the elections.
30:42 It is not a free candidate.
30:44 But free people join it.
30:46 And it appears as a big political party,
30:48 as a parliamentary party.
30:50 Which is an election commission
30:52 and is accepted by the parliamentary party.
30:54 So the argument is being laid down
30:56 that this is their right.
30:58 And this is fixed in the constitution.
31:00 More light will be shed on this
31:02 from the Supreme Court's decision.
31:04 Viewers, let's move on to the next story.
31:06 You know that the next story
31:08 is the 46th of July.
31:10 The 46th, 47th and 48th of July
31:12 are the days of the elections.
31:14 And the situation is very tense there.
31:16 Because the winning candidates
31:18 are called again and again.
31:20 And when they are called,
31:22 they are not presented there.
31:24 According to a news report,
31:26 the lawyer, Dr. Taimur Taimur,
31:28 has made a request to the Supreme Court
31:30 that he is taking back his request
31:32 and will not represent him in the future.
31:34 And the Supreme Court has said
31:36 that the next election
31:38 will be held in the next month.
31:40 According to another news report,
31:42 the election tribunal
31:44 which is being headed by Mr. Jahangiri,
31:46 has been accused of being
31:48 not trustworthy
31:50 by the MNIs of Islamabad.
31:52 The question is the same.
31:54 The question is that
31:56 the judge is saying
31:58 that the 45 candidates
32:00 who are certified,
32:02 should be brought to us
32:04 and presented before us.
32:06 And we will satisfy them.
32:08 Neither is their lawyer
32:10 nor are they bringing the farm.
32:12 And the interesting thing is that
32:14 all the 45 candidates
32:16 are being brought together.
32:18 But the winning candidate
32:20 has not been brought.
32:22 Neither are they certified
32:24 nor are they uncertified.
32:26 They are also fine with one thing.
32:28 They say that we have won.
32:30 You go to the election commission.
32:32 We have already got the 47th farm.
32:34 The election has made it so controversial
32:36 that the UK ambassador
32:38 has only given a formal speech.
32:40 And he has to answer.
32:42 And the answer is not coming from anywhere.
32:44 And you are trying to
32:46 make a big mistake.
32:48 You have no principle,
32:50 no rule,
32:52 no law.
32:54 The whole world,
32:56 whichever circle you go to,
32:58 the 52nd National Assembly of Punjab
33:00 and the 52nd Parliament of Punjab
33:02 and the 83rd Parliament of Pakistan,
33:04 they are crying over it.
33:06 They are waving their papers.
33:08 This should be ended in one day.
33:10 And I want that the election
33:12 should not be held again.
33:14 The 45 who have a confirmed victory,
33:16 should be declared.
33:18 Viewers, after the break,
33:20 I would like to hear the comments
33:22 of Naveen and Hassan Ayub
33:24 on this topic.
33:26 Stay with us.
33:28 Welcome back.
33:30 Your opinion has been the same
33:32 since the beginning.
33:34 Hassan's opinion is the same.
33:36 The election tribunal has to decide.
33:38 The election tribunal has been formed.
33:40 They have called everyone
33:42 to show the form 45.
33:44 Now the three MNAs of Islamabad
33:46 sometimes go there, sometimes to the right,
33:48 sometimes to the left.
33:50 Their lawyer also went to one.
33:52 So where will the decision be made?
33:54 Why are they not trusting?
33:56 They should have shown the form 45.
33:58 But the decision should be made
34:00 from anywhere.
34:02 The decision will be made.
34:04 And if they have the form 45,
34:06 then they do not need to run.
34:08 And if they are running,
34:10 then it means they do not have the form 45.
34:12 But all this,
34:14 all this process is going on.
34:16 Now let's see this under a big umbrella
34:18 that who will be the beneficiary
34:20 of all this.
34:22 The beneficiary of all this will be
34:24 the one who did not want to
34:26 run for the election.
34:28 Yes.
34:30 I don't know how the election commission
34:32 will be the beneficiary
34:34 because they did not want to run for the election.
34:36 Let's see.
34:38 Tell me, Mr. Ayub,
34:40 that I asked you last time
34:42 that what happened?
34:44 Why are they not giving the form 45?
34:46 I spoke to one of them.
34:48 He said that
34:50 there is a fight between elephants.
34:52 Who are these elephants?
34:54 You will understand as much as I speak.
34:56 You did not ask for an explanation.
34:58 There is a fight between elephants.
35:00 He pointed out that
35:02 the only loss is of grass.
35:04 So basically,
35:06 he pointed out
35:08 that the only loss
35:10 is of grass.
35:12 So basically,
35:14 he said that
35:16 there are already two
35:18 elephants in the rift.
35:20 They are left well.
35:22 I think this is the only reason
35:24 because this letter
35:26 is written by the six judges.
35:28 One of them is Mr. Ayub.
35:30 He wants us to pull out of this.
35:32 I believe that
35:34 the situation is such
35:36 that they thought
35:38 that it is better to pull out of this.
35:40 Maybe there is some anger here.
35:42 They were giving some punishments.
35:44 They were also making fines.
35:46 Whoever it is,
35:48 the problem is that
35:50 the elephant has to go in front of people.
35:52 The best thing about a politician
35:54 is that he accepts everything
35:56 and goes in front of people.
35:58 He says, "You accepted me,
36:00 voted for me, thank you.
36:02 Even if you did not vote for me,
36:04 I will work hard in the next election."
36:06 The 8th February election took place.
36:08 The parliament came into existence.
36:10 Everyone is present in the parliament.
36:12 An important part of the parliament
36:14 is its committees.
36:16 You know that committees
36:18 play a role in monitoring
36:20 the departments.
36:22 The committees have
36:24 a very important role in making decisions.
36:26 The departments,
36:28 for example, the Foreign Affairs Committee
36:30 takes care of the needs
36:32 of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
36:34 The Interior Committee
36:36 takes care of climate change.
36:38 The Ministry of Climate Change
36:40 has to tell the committee to work for them.
36:42 Mr. Azhar Farooq, our Deputy Bureau Chief,
36:44 is present.
36:46 As far as I know,
36:48 we used to cover the parliament.
36:50 It is very important
36:52 to pass the budget of the Finance Committee.
36:54 You have to present the budget.
36:56 Why is there a fight?
36:58 Who is waiting for the decision?
37:00 You are right, Mr. Khan.
37:04 The budget is going to be presented on 10th June.
37:06 The Finance Committee
37:08 has to start its work.
37:10 But so far, not only the Finance Committee,
37:12 but all the other committees
37:14 have not been formed.
37:16 The government and the opposition
37:18 have met and discussed
37:20 but it has not been a success.
37:22 The government wants to keep
37:24 the important committees to itself.
37:26 This is why the opposition
37:28 has rejected the government's decisions.
37:30 Not only in the National Assembly,
37:32 but also in the military.
37:34 Now, it is being said that
37:36 a Finance Committee is being formed
37:38 so that it can look after the budget.
37:40 But the final decision will be made
37:42 in the next session.
37:44 We will try to reach an agreement.
37:46 Although the Noon League and the People's Party
37:48 have decided on the formation of committees,
37:50 the final decision is not being made
37:52 because it is a matter of special seats.
37:54 The decision will be made.
37:56 The Sunni Taat Council
37:58 or the PTI's organization
38:00 has a clear position on this.
38:02 It demands that the way
38:04 the big committees were given to the opposition
38:06 in the past,
38:08 the PTI should not be able
38:10 to look after the opposition.
38:12 What will be the constitution of the committee?
38:14 Secondly,
38:16 the People's Party is waiting
38:18 for the return of the committee.
38:20 The committees that will be distributed
38:22 with the People's Party
38:24 will be divided into the cabinet
38:26 when they return.
38:28 There will be some trade-offs
38:30 and some no's and no's.
38:32 Please talk about this.
38:34 You are absolutely right.
38:36 I am talking about the people's party.
38:38 I have spoken to the Parliament
38:40 Secretariat.
38:42 They have said that
38:44 they are waiting for the People's Party
38:46 to return to the cabinet.
38:48 This is the reason for the delay.
38:50 This is the basic reason.
38:52 The Noon League is a committee
38:54 that will be in the cabinet
38:56 when it returns.
38:58 If committees are formed after that,
39:00 the power sharing or the way
39:02 the committees are distributed
39:04 can change the position of the people's party.
39:06 The issue of PSE
39:08 has not been decided yet.
39:10 It is being said that the government
39:12 has decided to give the PSE
39:14 the chairmanship.
39:16 The other big committees
39:18 like the Finance, Treasury,
39:20 Planning,
39:22 and Foreign Affairs
39:24 are all waiting
39:26 for the People's Party
39:28 to decide.
39:30 Let's see if there is
39:32 a meeting on 6th
39:34 or if there is any progress.
39:36 This is all for today.
39:38 We hope that the Parliament
39:40 will be activated as soon as possible.
39:42 Prime Minister is going to China
39:44 tomorrow morning.
39:46 May be that is why the budget
39:48 will be delayed.
39:50 May Allah give us some money
39:52 so that our budget is easier.
39:54 See you tomorrow.
39:56 Allah Hafiz.