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Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Barrister Muhammad Ali Saif PTI
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUI
15 din ka ultimatum khatam hone ke bad Ali Amin Gandapur kiya karengay??
Kal Kay Siyasi Harbay Aaj Kay Siyasi Halif Ban Gaye??
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- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Barrister Muhammad Ali Saif PTI
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUI
15 din ka ultimatum khatam hone ke bad Ali Amin Gandapur kiya karengay??
Kal Kay Siyasi Harbay Aaj Kay Siyasi Halif Ban Gaye??
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00:00 Asalam o alikum, program sewala ke saath main hoon, Mariam Aiman, Aaj Ki Top Stories hain.
00:15 Siyasi talkhiyan bdti ja rahi hain, 15 din ka ultimatum de diya hai, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
00:20 ke chief minister sahab ne, uske baad wo kehte hain ke wifaq ke upar phir wo ek mukhtalib
00:24 tariqah se chadhai karenge, program ke pehle sims pe baat hogi, uske baad siyasi haleef
00:28 ban bhi jaya karte hain, aur aisa hi kuch is waqt ho bhi raha hai, Jamiat ul Ma'a Islam
00:33 Fayy, aur PTI, Kareeb se Kareeb tar aate jaare hain, program ke doosra isse mein Hafiz Abdullah
00:38 sahab main saath hoonge uspe baat karenge, aur aakhar mein Pakistan se kamao, Dubai
00:42 mein lagao, Dubai ke jo jaydaadon ki tafseelat saamne aayi, Pakistani elite kitni zyada
00:47 enthusiastically waha pe invest karte hain, jab ke pooi duniya se mare mutalba hai ke
00:50 hamare mulk pe paisa lagao, jab aap khud nahi apne mulk me paisa rakhenge, toh koi aur
00:54 aapke mulk me paisa kyun lagaega, program ke aakhari sims pe baat karenge. Aghaas karte
00:59 hain, Ali Ameen Gandapur sahab ki ek personality hain, unko ek personal style hain, wo ek loud
01:03 aadmi hain, wo ek aggressive aadmi hain, lekin jis tarah ki politics is waqt hum khatun kha
01:07 mein dekh rahe hain, usmein humein ye farq nazar nahi aata ki kahaan par Tehreek-e-Insaf
01:11 ki apni policy position hain, aur kahaan par Gandapur sahab ka apna governance ka style
01:17 hai, wo aade aajaata hai. Aaj bhi ek assembly mein takreer karte hui, Gandapur sahab ne
01:23 kaha ke 15 din ka ultimatum dete hain Mufaq ki haqommat ko, aur uske baad kya hoga, unhi
01:28 ki zabani sunge.
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06:51 Welcome back, Tarjawan KP Hukummat Baris Tehsaif sahab wahan saath maujood hai, bahut
06:54 shukriya Baris Tehsaib humein join karne ke liye, ab 15 din ki deadline hai, 15 din
06:58 ke baad kya hoga, kyunki pehle se siyasi chadai ki baad ki toh Gandapur sahab ne kaha ke
07:02 nahi nahi wo hum besay ek siyasi biyaan de rahe the, koi chadai nahi hogi. So 15 din
07:05 ke baad kya hoga, kya ye deadline extend hogi, zdoran guftagu hogi, ya ye ultimatum ki
07:10 zara samjhayi ki ultimatum ke baad kya hona hai?
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16:49 Welcome back.
16:50 It is said that in politics, neither the opposition nor the opponent is neutral.
16:55 This situation keeps changing.
16:57 People keep showing flexibility in their positions.
17:01 And we are witnessing that something is happening
17:03 between Pakistan Tariq Insaaf and Jamiat Ulma Islam Fay.
17:07 For more than a decade, there was a political rivalry
17:12 in which what was not said to each other,
17:15 what was not given to each other,
17:18 and to what extent the political temperature was not raised.
17:21 After the election of 8th February,
17:23 both the parties have come so close
17:26 that they might become a part of an alliance.
17:29 We will talk about the possibilities of this,
17:31 but let's take a quick look at their political journey.
17:34 Were the addresses given to Maulana Fazlur Rahman from the PTI?
17:41 Imran Khan Sahib's statement is not being run now,
17:43 but his other leadership statements,
17:45 the words of Diesel were used.
17:47 The taunts that were given to him to a large extent,
17:50 as a political opponent,
17:52 listen to what Tariq Insaaf used to say to him.
17:55 These are the people who vote that the woman's supremacy is forbidden in Islam.
18:01 They are sitting in the same cabinet with a permit from Diesel.
18:04 This is the first time when, Alhamdulillah,
18:06 Maulana Fazlur Rahman has no connection with the government of Pakistan.
18:11 And this car is running very well without Diesel.
18:14 Mr. Marwat's statement was very recent.
18:31 These statements were given around the election campaign.
18:34 If such things were said to him by the PTI about Jamiatul Maslam,
18:39 then there was no shortage of taunts from there as well.
18:42 Taariq Insaaf's leadership, Imran Khan Sahib,
18:45 Jewish conspiracy, Jewish lobby,
18:47 taunts were given again and again about being a part of all this.
18:50 To this extent, that both the parties are in a position to sit together and talk,
18:56 and are openly expressing it.
18:59 When did this series of meetings start?
19:01 One meeting that took place on 26 October 2023, before the election,
19:05 at that time, it was possible that there was a political proposal to move together.
19:11 Mr. Kaisar had gone.
19:13 He said that he had gone there to do some criticism,
19:17 but there was also a political discussion,
19:19 there was a lot of discussion and criticism on it.
19:21 After that, there is a meeting on 16 February.
19:23 This is after the election.
19:25 Mr. Maulana's stance had become soft on many things.
19:28 After the election, his position was a little different than before.
19:34 So, this meeting takes place.
19:36 After this, there is another meeting on 29 February 2024.
19:40 And in that too, I saw that under the leadership of Umar Ayub,
19:43 PTI Kawaf goes to meet Mr. Maulana.
19:46 Last week, Rauh Wasim was in our program.
19:48 We asked him how far all the issues with Jamaat-ul-Islam have reached.
19:52 And very surprisingly, he said that the conversation has gone so far,
19:56 that very soon, we may be able to see the opinions of both the parties on a platform.
20:02 So, what is being said by Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf?
20:05 Mr. Maulana Fazlur Rehman is speaking in your favour.
20:10 So, is there a possibility of sitting together here,
20:12 is there a possibility of opening a way for discussions here?
20:14 Yes, absolutely.
20:16 We have had discussions with him and I think we are inching towards each other.
20:20 Naturally, there is a big element of mistrust between us,
20:26 which is getting over.
20:27 At least, it has become very weak.
20:29 Mr. Maulana Fazlur Rehman gave an interview to Mr. Hamid Mir and he was asked the same question.
20:34 How can you sit with Tariq-e-Insaf?
20:36 What was his answer?
20:38 Are you doing something to reduce the distance between you and the JUI?
20:43 So far, neither have they changed their position nor have we changed our position.
20:47 But when their ancestors came here, we welcomed them according to our traditions.
20:52 It was their suggestion that we want to go ahead and fix some issues.
20:56 We said, "Bismillah". So, we are sticking to our position.
20:59 We are sticking to it morally and we are sticking to it fundamentally.
21:02 And if the issues are resolved, it is a very good thing.
21:04 If they are not resolved, then each party will have its own opinion.
21:08 To talk about this, we have with us Mr. Hafiz Abdullah, the translator of the JUIF.
21:13 Thank you very much, Mr. Hafiz, for joining us.
21:15 Can you hear me?
21:16 Yes, I can hear you.
21:18 Yes.
21:19 Mr. Hafiz, last week, Mr. Rauf Wasant, the director of Tariq-e-Insaf was with us in the programme.
21:25 He said that the conversation has progressed to a great extent.
21:28 There is a lot of atmosphere of distrust between both the parties, Tariq-e-Insaf and JUIF.
21:36 There is improvement in that.
21:38 The distrust between both the parties has reduced.
21:42 Is this correct? Does the JUIF also think the same?
21:45 In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
21:48 Look, Maria Bibi, the thing is that after the election, the JUIF was the first to take a stand.
21:57 They announced in a statement that they reject the 8th of February election and announce that Tariq-e-Insaf will be allowed.
22:12 After that, Tariq-e-Insaf's delegation has come twice.
22:17 Moulana Sahib welcomed them with great joy.
22:23 And they appreciated Moulana Sahib's position that you have rejected the 8th of February election and announced that Tariq-e-Insaf will be allowed.
22:32 We support and support this.
22:35 Last week, Mr. Kesar was with them and he also had a friend.
22:38 He also said that he did not come personally, but came on the instructions of the Khan.
22:47 When he came and supported our position, he came again.
22:53 Now, keeping in mind the situation that we have been facing for the past 16 years, there are many differences and many mountains to climb.
23:10 The Junaid ulama of Islam are a political and democratic party.
23:16 If someone wants to come to Moulana Sahib, then both parties can sit.
23:22 There can be a mutual agreement on a TOR between them for the future.
23:28 The concerns and reservations about the 8th of February election have been expressed repeatedly in the past 16 years.
23:37 And Moulana Sahib also said the same things about us from the PTI.
23:44 So, we can sit and discuss the issues and clarify the issues.
23:53 So, Mr. Hafiz, what you are saying that things can be clarified, there are very few differences between you people.
23:58 The first difference that is visible is that you think that your mandate has also been stolen and its beneficiary is Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
24:09 Tariq-e-Insaf says that our mandate has been stolen and its beneficiary is People's Party PMLN.
24:14 So, your mandate that has been stolen is Tariq-e-Insaf.
24:18 So, how will you sit with them and solve this basic issue?
24:22 Look, look, look, Maria Bibi.
24:25 You should not do our movement, the movement of the Junaid ulama of Islam, with the PTI, PMLN or People's Party.
24:36 You should not do our movement with the constitution.
24:40 Is the question that the election of 8th February was done in accordance with the constitution?
24:48 The constitution is saying that it should be a clean and transparent election.
24:52 And this is the responsibility that the Election Commission gave us and the political community, the leadership, they gave us this guarantee.
25:01 Were the elections done in accordance with the constitution?
25:06 No, they were not.
25:07 When they were not, the movement of the Junaid ulama of Islam is that the constitution should be clear.
25:13 There is no constitution in this country.
25:15 Now, there are two types of people.
25:17 One is those who talk about the clarity of the constitution.
25:21 And where did the war start?
25:24 From 8th February.
25:25 And we started this war on 25th July.
25:29 So, you think this is the same thing.
25:32 But Hafiz sahib, what is the difference?
25:34 Now, in the government, there was PTI in those days, no doubt PTI.
25:39 We said, you came from Dandili.
25:41 Today, if our friends, PMLN and People's Party, but if they are taking advantage of Dandili, then we are against it too.
25:51 The Junaid ulama of Islam believe in the policy of principle.
25:54 But Hafiz sahib, this is what I am telling you, the difference that you are saying, that this matter started from 8th February.
26:00 You are against the principle of justice.
26:03 They think that the matter started from April 2022, when someone's mother was brought to the vote of no confidence.
26:09 So, this is one difference.
26:10 Then, the mandate that has been stolen, you have it with the principle of justice.
26:14 So, these are very obvious differences.
26:17 You do me a favor, listen to one thing.
26:19 I am going towards the future, I am trying to go, you are trying to reverse me back.
26:28 You left it in 2022, 2021, 2018, that fight is over.
26:35 Now, there is a new fight, but what is the matter?
26:39 The statement is the same.
26:40 Dandili.
26:41 Dandili has been done, against Dandili, the Junaid ulama of Islam are in the field.
26:45 There is no constitution in the country, for the sake of constitution, the Junaid ulama of Islam are in the field.
26:50 Parliament is a rubber stamp, there is no Parliament supremacy, for the sake of it, the Junaid ulama of Islam are in the field.
26:56 Now, if someone is giving with this stance, with the Junaid ulama of Islam,
27:01 then we will welcome them from the Junaid ulama of Islam, we will also say welcome.
27:07 Now, what will happen next, leave it to the future, what can be the unity next, it cannot be.
27:13 Leave it to the future.
27:15 No, this is, because a unity has been formed, in which there is Achakzai sahib, Mingle sahib, Tariq-e-Insaf is also there,
27:21 so has the Junaid ulama of Islam been invited to form a part of this unity, or is there a conversation going on, is this possible?
27:31 I think, it is not in my knowledge yet,
27:35 the invitation has not been given yet, that this unity should be formed.
27:40 If the Junaid ulama of Islam do not form a part of this unity,
27:44 you will remember, after 2018, till 20th September 2020, the Junaid ulama of Islam alone,
27:50 did the Tani Tanhaab Million March, and also did the Liberation March of October 2019,
27:56 the Luraku-Long Islamabad were sitting.
27:59 We are alone, we can fight, my sister, no problem, we have no worries, Inshallah, we will fight well.
28:05 We will fight well, Inshallah, we will make a spectacle of this system, we will make a football.
28:10 Is there any contact being made from the government unity, has there been any discussion through the People's Party, through PMLN,
28:17 because Rana Sanaw Allah sahib talks about a grand dialogue, he said that we have contacts with everyone,
28:22 so do you have any contacts with PMLN at any level?
28:26 Look, these are political parties, there can be contacts with everyone,
28:32 but one thing is clear about the Junaid ulama of Islam,
28:36 if anyone wants to talk, we don't want to go in reverse, they want to reverse.
28:41 The reverse is that the election is announced immediately,
28:46 and the establishment should stay away from the election.
28:50 These are the two points.
28:52 Do you want to talk to political parties?
28:54 Tariq-e-Insaf doesn't want to, but does the JUIF want to talk to political parties?
28:59 Look, the political parties are in front of you, some are in the government, some parties have become a union,
29:04 their union has been formed.
29:06 Whoever will call us to talk or invite us, we will not refuse the matter,
29:12 but the question is what will be the topic of discussion, we will have to see this.
29:16 What will be the agenda?
29:18 Because Tariq-e-Insaf says that we will only talk to the establishment,
29:21 but if a grand dialogue is being mentioned,
29:24 the Junaid ulama of Islam doesn't think that they have no authority, no mandate,
29:29 because they don't have the power, so we don't want to talk to the PML and People's Party.
29:33 Your party has this thinking.
29:35 I have talked to you, they have said, they have said,
29:39 that the current government has no power, does the parliament have no power?
29:43 If the government or the large parties in the current coalition government had power,
29:50 then they cannot take ministers of their choice in the cabinet, then what authority do they have?
29:55 So if they want to talk, they want to discuss the basis of the matter,
30:03 what do they want to discuss?
30:05 To invite me to come and support the government?
30:09 To support the government, you will get one, two, three ministries?
30:13 No, we are against such ministries.
30:16 If we talk, when will the election take place?
30:20 And who will guarantee a clear election?
30:23 Will the establishment be formed or not?
30:25 We have talked about this.
30:27 But how many times are they coming, Hafiz sahib?
30:30 If they want to talk, then…
30:31 Of course, they will talk.
30:32 The question is repeated again and again.
30:34 I have told you, when a party does not have the power to legislate,
30:38 does not have the power to take a minister, then whom should I talk to?
30:42 So I said that they should talk on the basis that there is a law in the country,
30:47 we should be satisfied.
30:49 Should this election be satisfied under the law?
30:52 What should we be satisfied with?
30:53 Should we satisfy the community?
30:54 15% of the community does not trust this current government.
30:58 So when there is no confidence, today they should do a referendum in the country,
31:01 what will the people decide?
31:04 They say that there is no government in the country of political parties.
31:07 There is no government of the people of the mandate.
31:10 Right, thank you very much.
31:12 Hafiz Abdullah sahib was with us.
31:14 He is the chairman of the JUIF.
31:15 He is saying that he is ready to talk to everyone,
31:18 he is ready to talk to political parties as well,
31:20 but on which issues will he talk?
31:21 At what points will he talk?
31:23 And if he talks, then the rest will have to change their positions.
31:26 And regarding the 8th February election,
31:28 I asked him that there are many differences between you and Tariq-e-Insaaf.
31:32 He said that they want to move forward.
31:33 Leave the talk behind.
31:34 What happened behind, that is done.
31:36 When we come back after the break, what happened to the properties of Dubai?
31:40 Its technical and legal perspective is in its place,
31:44 but the biggest issue behind it is that the Pakistanis themselves are afraid to invest in their own country.
31:51 So when we cannot trust our people in our state,
31:54 in our country, in our economy,
31:57 then how do we expect from someone else that he will invest in Pakistan?
32:01 We will talk about this after the break.
32:02 Welcome back.
32:03 Pakistan has consistently been in the IMF program for many decades.
32:08 And this time has also come,
32:10 in the relations between the IMF and Pakistan,
32:12 that we have to put our shoes on for just one billion dollars.
32:17 Pakistan wants big companies from all over the world to come and invest here.
32:22 But how will they invest?
32:24 They will invest when their own citizens' relationship with their state is not in the picture.
32:29 Their own citizens' relationship will be with their state, their financial system and their government's economy.
32:37 This week we saw that a scandal called Dubai Leaks has emerged,
32:41 where it was revealed that the Dubai property has assets of about 400 billion dollars of foreign countries.
32:47 This was revealed in the scandal.
32:48 According to the document, the Pakistanis have assets of 11 billion dollars.
32:53 The number of foreign countries that buy properties in Dubai is second to that of Pakistan after India.
32:58 And it was also found that about 17,000 Pakistanis have purchased more than 23,000 properties in Dubai.
33:07 It is a good thing that people should invest in any country.
33:11 And why do people invest?
33:13 Why do investors go to any other country?
33:15 They go because, number one, there is a rule of law there.
33:18 They are protected.
33:19 They know that when they invest their money, the law there will give them security.
33:25 They will have a financial safety net.
33:28 That is why investors take their money and go somewhere.
33:31 Investors go to places where there is peace and security.
33:34 Where they are not robbed.
33:38 Where they can invest their money.
33:41 Where there are good dividends and good returns.
33:45 Investors will invest there.
33:47 And a city like Dubai offers all this.
33:50 Investors also go to places where they get incentives.
33:53 Investment conditions are made easy for them.
33:56 So, there is a number of Dubai in such cities and countries.
34:00 But the regret is that when the elite of Pakistan takes their money to Dubai,
34:06 but our political leadership goes to different countries,
34:10 goes everywhere and only does one thing, invest in Pakistan.
34:13 Throughout the decades, if we see, every Pakistani prime minister will go on a tour,
34:18 he will tell people to invest in Pakistan.
34:21 Despite all these invitations, the elite of Pakistan,
34:25 whether it is the political elite or any other elite,
34:28 who has resources, money, and knows how to invest,
34:33 is investing their money abroad.
34:36 So, how can you expect your own citizens to invest abroad?
34:42 Policy makers will have to ask this question,
34:44 is there a rule of law here?
34:46 Is there a security of your money here?
34:48 Is there a return on the money you are investing here?
34:51 And most importantly, is there a margin of futuristic and future-oriented investments in Pakistan?
34:57 That people invest here.
34:59 Just by saying, by giving statements, it doesn't make a difference.
35:03 The whole world knows where, which place, which spot, which country,
35:07 is a good investment spot.
35:09 The program is over, don't forget to give your feedback.
35:11 Take care, goodbye.
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