Witness Claims There Are 'Two Dozen Cases' On Anomalous Health Incidents That The CIA Cannot Explain

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During a House Homeland Security Committee hearing Wednesday, Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) spoke the CIA's investigation into anomalous health incidents.

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00:00 Chair now recognized gentleman from New York. Mr. Goldman for his round of questioning. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. Thank you to our witnesses for being here

00:06 Mr. Grassoff, I want to follow up a little bit on the interactions you've had with Russian intelligence about

00:13 these a AHI's

00:16 if

00:18 you had a conversation with an intelligence officer where a

00:24 Russian intelligence officer where he or she said that these are the same weapons that were used in the 1980s

00:32 Isn't that an admission that they know they're using them now?

00:36 It is an admission that

00:42 It's very plausible that they're being used now because the person who's not privy to this particular operation

00:48 He is or she is retired

00:50 but again, the important thing was the important thing is that he

00:54 was serving at a time when there was a concerted effort for the Russian intelligence services to develop a counter weapon and

01:01 He believed given time past since then it has been developed. I

01:05 see so he has retired and but believes that

01:09 based on the similar symptoms or

01:14 What other factors went into his very very similar symptoms were being conveyed?

01:20 in terms of

01:22 Soviet

01:23 diplomats stationed abroad of

01:25 intelligence background had returned back to Russia with

01:29 To the Soviet Union with symptoms that they believed were caused by an acoustic weapon. That was their relief

01:37 It's not the fact that it is what happened

01:39 But again, it explains partly the motivation for them to develop a weapon that will be targeting

01:44 Exactly the type of people that we see being targeted and I know there's some geospatial data that indicates there were Russian

01:52 intelligence officers near

01:54 alleged incidents abroad

01:57 Do any of you know whether that is also the case for any of the incidents that have been reported domestically I

02:06 Do not have that data

02:10 Because the particular unit that we've focused on they would not dare come to the United States

02:17 Therefore if the Russians were doing this on US soil that would have used

02:22 Sleeper sleepers long-term proxies that would be here

02:26 But that is not a unit that I've discovered in my own and therefore difficult to identify as affiliated with

02:33 Russian intelligence

02:35 Sir, I think you should refer that last question to the FBI and classified spaces

02:41 Yeah, obviously the the episode with my client

02:44 an active FBI agent that was authorized to speak to 60 minutes talks about an incident in Key West and

02:51 Most of that information is either law enforcement sensitive or classified

02:55 and

02:57 Are any of you aware of any?

03:00 reported incidents from

03:03 Individuals who are not members of the United States government

03:09 in domestically I should say I

03:11 Am NOT but I will throw a caveat in there

03:18 Generally, I only focused on former and current government employees that were attacked

03:24 Mr. Zane are you?

03:27 There are many people who believe they are victims of a chai's. All you have to do is look at my Twitter feed

03:35 Whenever I post on the topic

03:38 I only represent federal government employees in their families. So I don't focus on the accuracy of

03:45 those particular claims

03:48 And mr. Gras up do you have any in sight? Not an American soil, but in other parts of the world there've been

03:55 complaints that appear to be

03:57 credible from

03:59 Russian activists or Russian opposition leaders living abroad and

04:05 Mr. Zaid you I want to ask and this is a hypothetical, but I I'm trying to understand

04:11 Why our

04:16 government would

04:19 Try to block information sharing or

04:23 conceal

04:25 information that they have and one thing that comes to mind is

04:29 whether there's an operational risk to

04:33 revealing any of the of the

04:36 details of

04:39 Their investigation is is that something that you have come across?

04:43 in any of your work

04:45 Yes, and quickly because I know your time is elapsing here. So I do think that that is and I agree with with mr

04:52 Grosev that is there's a lot of reasons why the information might not be publicly released

04:58 And I do think that's something we could address more in a classified

05:02 Environment to explain that but there are understandable reasons why the US government

05:07 Has not revealed much of what it knows, but the question is how about to you?

05:13 But also the if I may mr. Chairman to follow up on that there is a conclusion

05:18 That has been made public that it is

05:21 Highly highly highly unlikely. I forgot what the language is that this these symptoms were caused by

05:30 some sort of

05:32 You know foreign right line actor

05:35 So the the last ODNI assessment that came out in 2023 had had indicated in and it to the public

05:41 It seems very damning this highly unlikely that foreign adversary was involved. But if you actually look at the

05:48 levels

05:50 Within each of the agencies as to the level of credibility that they have assessed to that is actually quite low

05:56 For most of them and there's a lot of pushback even internally

06:00 Among the Intel some of the intelligence agencies as to the qualification of that information

06:05 I'll say just very quickly finally they talk about in particular

06:09 I think one of the CIA's public documents that many of these cases can be explained through environmental factors pre-existing medical conditions

06:17 But they don't explain any of that which could easily be said in another sentence the environmental factors include the following

06:25 Whatever, whatever we looked at prior health conditions and 85% had football injuries injuries when they played in high school and college

06:32 None of that information is in there which leads one to believe that there's something more

06:38 The other thing I'll say just really quickly on that

06:41 The news media missed the story on that CIA assessment

06:45 They said they looked at more than a thousand cases and they concluded the vast majority could be explained otherwise

06:51 But there are at least two dozen cases that even the CIA

06:55 Acknowledges they can't explain away by any other alternative factors

07:01 That to me is the story that should have been in the New York Times in the Washington Post Wall Street Journal

07:06 That there are two dozen cases. The CIA can't even explain away. Is that part of your 68? Mr. Garza? Absolutely. Yes, mr

07:14 Chairman, thank you for indulging

07:16 Yield back. Jim. This time has expired the chair and I recognize Jim up in California. Mr. Swalwell. Thank you

07:21 I thank the chair in our.

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