Liam Palmer talks about a career at Sheffield Wednesday, the future and his boot game
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00:00 First up, I'm going to ask you about the weekend. How was that?
00:04 Yeah, really good. I think, obviously, the numbers got banded about before the game in terms of how many fans and things were going to be attending.
00:12 But then when you walk out for the warm-up and it's already half full, that's a telltale sign then.
00:17 And I think right from when we came out for the game and acknowledging the fans then, I've mentioned before in previous interviews,
00:24 it's just good to be able to have those scenes and reward them for their support. Obviously, the turn-up looked like in the numbers all season, away from home and at home as well.
00:33 So, to have those scenes at the end were really good. And to give them a win and three points to go home.
00:40 Send them on with some real belief and optimism for the next game, obviously, at Hillsborough that's sold out now as well. So, we look forward to that.
00:47 Barry was saying that he mentioned it to you guys in the huddle beforehand, look behind you and see who you're playing for today.
00:54 For you specifically, not to say that the others don't care, but for you, who's been here for so long and played in front of them so often, does it give you that little bit of something extra?
01:05 Yeah, it's always my favourite part of the day really, at Hillsborough as well.
01:11 In turn-around, when the high on Sheffield Wednesday is going and everyone's got their arms aloft, that's one thing that I tend to make sure I'm doing.
01:19 Just fully focus on the crowd and just take that part of it in.
01:24 And yeah, to play in front of the fans and to play well as well as a team and get a result, which makes everything ten times better.
01:32 It was, I think, the 433rd game for you for Sheffield Wednesday. It's a big number, that, isn't it?
01:39 Yeah, it's creeping up. I think another couple and I'll be all-time top eight, which is still crazy to me to see my name on that list.
01:51 Yeah, hopefully many more to come. Like I say, two more to get that milestone, so fingers crossed I can do it before the end of the season.
01:59 I think what's more impressive is the fact you're looking at that list and you look at the players and they only really came impressive when he was modern age.
02:07 The rest of them are like, you've got people like Andrew Wilson, Johnny Fantham, who's going to be the next one you take if you do.
02:13 To do it in the modern age, it's different, isn't it? There is a difference there.
02:19 Yeah, it's very rare and I think, like you say, obviously them names that I've, obviously before my time that I've seen and read about and things,
02:26 Kevin Preston, debatable whether you should have a goalkeeper in there because they don't really move that far, but that's another one, another debate to have.
02:34 Yeah, in the modern era, obviously look at Baz's milestone, he's done it a lot quicker than me, he's played an incredible amount of games,
02:41 but I just saw one the other day, the player at Cambridge as well, similar, been there 13 years and played a really big amount of games.
02:54 So, yeah, it is rare, it's few and far between, something that makes it a little bit more special I think when probably I come to finishing football,
03:03 it'll be something that you look back and think, what a great achievement and to be amongst them names is really special to me.
03:10 I was going to ask how much it means to you as an individual. I think playing, you look at Baz and how much he's brought into the club, the city, the community,
03:19 but for yourself, you didn't have to bite into it because you were already in it. How does it feel for you when you're looking at those numbers and this is everything,
03:29 there's those great pictures of you at the play-offs when you were a kid, pictures of you in that kit from when you were in the academy.
03:38 Having been through what you've been through at this club, how does it make you feel knowing that you're, I mean look, no one's taken that off you for a long, long time, if at all.
03:49 Yeah, I think looking right back to the beginning and just tipping up to games and watching and like you say, growing up with that sort of feeling and support for the club,
04:02 but then also the hope of one day that could be you to now sitting here is something that I would never, probably would have imagined back then.
04:09 Right the way through the academy, I never played with that in mind, I just played because I love football and I love being at this club, I love coming three times a week,
04:20 after school I'd race home, get my tea down my neck, my dad would drive me and we had a couple of others that luckily we could car share because it just helped with the load for my parents,
04:31 so obviously thankful for that and then just yeah, I just love training for the hour and a half out there on the AstroTurf,
04:37 that was my world really right up until all of a sudden it's, do you get a scholarship or not and then that's when it really hits home,
04:45 that this is when the hard work kind of starts and you kind of think it could be, do it as a job and like what an amazing thing and the best job in the world,
04:55 certainly in my eyes and I know it's a dream of a lot of young boys and girls to become footballers,
05:02 so it's a real privileged position that we're in and to do it for so long at one club, it's amazing, just enjoy coming in every day,
05:13 you know my role has changed throughout the years, I've had a lot of experience through, you know,
05:19 you first come into the dressing room as a young kid and you're trying to find your way and you don't want to be seen as too busy and you know running,
05:27 I remember we used to do pre-season and I remember David Putt and I'd be like get back behind me, you know what I mean,
05:34 show me up type of thing but it's a fine line between you want to impress and you know, you want to be in with the players and it's that balancing act really
05:42 and it's not until you start playing regularly and training regularly that you can earn their respect I think and earn their trust as a fellow player
05:51 and aside from that, how you conduct yourself outside the club, in and around the building and just when you've got that badge on,
06:01 especially I used to travel, train and then tram and then bus or whatever to get home every day in the academy
06:08 and we used to come in the club tracksuit and whenever you've got that badge on your chest, you've got to act in a certain way
06:14 and be respectful of the club's kind of name and protect it and show what it's about so I feel I've tried to do that as long as I can
06:25 and as you progress into the first team then you really want to kind of make your mark on the team.
06:32 I remember as a kid we used to have education down at the stadium with Dan Potts who's still here now
06:38 and most days to be fair I got a call saying you need to run up here, you're with the first team and that was my first real like,
06:46 oh right so I'd run up, get changed, train and then I'd go back to the youth team in the afternoon
06:51 so I would say it probably took me probably a year to 18 months of constantly training with the first team
06:58 before you felt kind of up to speed, it's a big jump, it's not easy when you've gone from playing youth football
07:07 where you're the big fish and you feel like you can impose yourself on games and things
07:12 to all of a sudden you kind of not only get one or two touches in the possession in the training
07:20 and it's vital that in them one or two touches you kind of show what you're about because opportunity is a few and far between
07:28 and yeah luckily I think when Sean McCauley had the job around one Christmas time he took me into the dome
07:36 to train with the first team and I've been there ever since so I didn't play any games at that time
07:42 but that was me then, a first team player and could come back the next year and really knuckle down and try and hold down a place.
07:49 You've had a lot of years now playing as part of the first team since your debut, is it quite a weird feeling
07:56 knowing that there's people in the stands now that were literal children when you were making your debut
08:03 and you were first coming through and now they're not even teenagers anymore, you've been such a big part of their life
08:09 they've watched you for a week and week and week, is that quite a strange feeling knowing that you're playing such a big role
08:16 in their lives even though you don't personally know each other?
08:19 Yeah and it's something that you don't always think of until you might get the odd message or I've had quite a lot of pictures
08:27 that, we've had a picture when I was whatever age and now and it's like wow, you remember the moments people that stay after the games
08:36 and want pictures and come to the training ground or you've done something, signed a shirt or you've been to a kids holiday camp
08:44 where you've had a picture with them and all of a sudden they've grown up and it's just like, I remember when I first made it into the first team
08:51 and I was a psychologist for the academy and they spoke about how fast it goes and like, you don't really believe it
08:59 and you're like alright yeah and it's not until now that I'm saying it to other people that you look back and think like
09:05 yeah it does go quick and all the more reason to not let them moments pass you by.
09:11 I think whenever we have young players train with us now that's always my message to them is just to not let any training session,
09:18 any game, any 5 minute, 10 minutes pass you by because it can be the difference between having a career or not.
09:25 Yeah, I think you've also got a good story to tell in terms of your career arc as well, at Wensley it's not always been easy for you
09:34 and you know there were some great periods in the last couple of years where you've had your name being chanted but it's not always been smooth sailing.
09:42 Has there been points during this period whether it's down to the manager, whether it's down to the feeling that you get,
09:50 has there ever been a point when you thought this might be my last season?
09:54 Yeah I think just as a whole I think most footballers will tell you the same thing, it's never linear, it's never smooth sailing all the way,
10:05 there's always peaks and troughs and I think throughout that without the bad days you know the good days are not as good
10:11 and that's something that I always think, not that you want too many bad days obviously but I think every player will tell you there's ups,
10:20 downs, there's injuries, there's loss of form, external factors which is one thing that I have always been lucky with,
10:28 that my kind of life outside of football has always been, I've got a good support system, good family and I can go home to my kids
10:36 and sometimes just switch off and try and forget about the day to day kind of pressures of it is a high pressure environment
10:44 and nobody goes out there meaning to make a mistake or give the ball away or you know these are things that we're just humans
10:52 and you know these things can happen and the fans of course are passionate and want everybody to do well
10:59 and I think as you kind of stay in one place for a long time it's easy for when someone new comes in your position
11:08 or someone that can offer something different to you the kind of tendency is that oh there's something shiny and new there
11:16 and obviously you're in the background still but I think probably testament to myself I don't give myself enough credit for
11:23 is probably the amount of managers that I have had and you know I'm still sat here now, they've all picked me, they've all played me
11:30 and it's a game of opinions at the end of the day but I've been able to, in the majority's opinion, they've thought of me highly
11:41 and kind of trusted me in different positions and things and I think they see the value in how I conduct myself day to day
11:48 and how hard I work and that's something that always has shone through in the end, I think the only time, not that I've ever sat and thought
11:57 this could be my last season but I think the period when Jos was here, he was playing a lot of young players
12:04 and I felt that was not the right way to go at the time, we weren't playing well and kept persisting with those players
12:12 and we had a conversation of potentially leaving and that's as far as I've ever come really, I think we came back that pre-season
12:19 I use that as a bit of a motivation to come back even better than I was at the time so I came back that pre-season and did really well
12:29 and ended up selling another player instead in my position so yeah, I ended up staying and then obviously managers moved on and things
12:37 and other ones came in and that's the way I've always just tried to be, any kind of, it's much negative but an opposite opinion to yourself
12:46 you've just got to use it as fuel and fire to project it in the right way, even this time this season when Danny first came in
12:55 for the first six games I think I was the only player not to play a minute and people soon forget that which is a good thing
13:02 because I just had an open and honest conversation with him and said I'm open to learning your way, I want to be part of what you're building
13:10 what you're trying to do and I think even as people probably, him as a manager from the outside looking in would probably look at the squad
13:16 and think oh he's been here a long time, he might not want to do this or want to do that but I think throughout your time as a player
13:24 especially any player you've got to be adaptable to different systems, especially me, different positions and such as a detail with the modern game now
13:34 you have to be really dialled in in terms of the classroom stuff as well which all new, it's opened my eyes to different ways of playing
13:45 and I'm enjoying it, it's something that I look forward to and I find myself learning different things every day
13:52 Even your biggest critics, I don't think they'd argue that you're not adaptable, you've played in 150 different positions at this point
13:59 but just on that, there's been a lot of managers I've known over the years where they've come in, you've maybe not played so much
14:05 and you've had to bide your time, it was a little bit different with Darren if I remember, Darren you were sort of almost straight in there
14:11 you know when you have those periods and you're not getting in and you're not playing like with Dané, is it just a case for you where you just
14:20 as you mentioned you sit down with the manager and just say what do I need to do, what do you need from me in order for me to play a part here?
14:26 I think that's the first time I've probably ever gone to the manager in the way of, I was a player of the year last season and you come in and I'm not playing type of thing
14:37 that was my kind of thought internally, externally I was still doing the extra stuff when I wasn't making squads even
14:46 and when I was fully fit, I'd not missed a day of training the whole season
14:49 that was something that I was conscious after my operation in the summer was to be available and be fit from the start of the season which I've done
15:00 I think the start of the season was tough obviously results wise but for me personally missing the whole of pre-season
15:08 I got 10 minutes against Luton at Hillsborough and then the season started the week after so
15:13 I think looking back on this season now it was difficult to have any rapport with previous managers because I just weren't there in pre-season
15:28 I went on the training ground, I weren't there to make that first impression and I think for me that is a massive part of when a new manager comes in
15:37 so yeah I'm glad I've been able to turn that around now and I've played a big part in the season which is good
15:45 I think the majority of times recently that I've been involved we've had positive results which also helps
15:53 so yeah just hopefully finish the last two games strong and take maximum points and it'll be a job well done
16:00 I've got to ask you about it mainly because it's you, if this is the last two games I know that you don't really know what the situation is now
16:10 there's relegation to take into account all that kind of things, if this is your last two games and this is your last game playing for Sheffield Wednesday at Hillsborough
16:18 how is this Saturday going to be for you?
16:22 Yeah I just had this conversation actually, I think for me I'd be gutted if it was to be honest, honestly speaking I think the main focus probably since the turn of the year
16:37 has been not getting relegated obviously and doing everything possible for the team
16:42 I think you've seen that in the last probably six, seven, eight whatever games since the managers have come in
16:49 especially that there's been times when we've been outclassed and we've not quite been at it but the effort and application over the last few weeks has been second to none from everyone
16:59 and it's not just me there's nearly ten players or more in a similar situation
17:06 something that you've just got to put to the back of your mind I think, easier for some than others
17:12 for myself it's easier because I love this club and if it meant me breaking my leg on the last game of the season
17:19 making a life like a game changing tackle or a block off the line and it meant I couldn't walk then I'd happily do it
17:27 so that's where my mind is at this moment in time and then whatever happens, whatever conversation happens, happens
17:34 and you can only control the controllables and that's playing well and doing what you can when picked
17:41 and I think that's the only way for me to logically look at it, I don't really want to spend too much time thinking about if it's your last game at Hillsborough
17:51 of course if you did know that was coming you'd want to know, you'd want that kind of closure, you'd want that kind of for yourself
17:59 but football doesn't always work like that and you know I've had loads of players over the years that have had big big parts to play in this club
18:06 and not quite had the send off that they're deserving, it's nothing different to other clubs really
18:11 it's just the nature of the beast I think, it's not perfect and I feel like I've got a lot of football left in me
18:19 and I feel as fit as ever, I feel like I'm still coming into my prime obviously off the back of a successful season last year
18:27 so yeah, let's see what happens, I just hope we finish the season strongly not only for the team and obviously to not get relegated
18:36 but for the fans as well because it's been a long old season, a tough season physically as well as mentally
18:44 obviously we went a lot longer than most last year, right the way to the playoff final so we didn't have much break
18:52 and yeah I think now it's just pulling on all that experience and we've shown we can handle the pressure situations
18:59 and the big games and none more so than a must win on Saturday, on Sunday just gone sorry so yeah another one on Saturday
19:08 and then let's have a look at what it's looking like then.
19:11 Yeah I wanted to touch on the community work, there's been a lot of it this season at Wednesday, a lot of nice feel good stories
19:18 overnight you see the work that Will's done, the work that Barry's done and yourself you've done a lot of work in the communities
19:24 it's not always stuff that you guys shout about right, like you're not always, I think Will was saying that there's a lot of stuff
19:33 that footballers do that people don't know about, how important is it for you to give back to a community that you know
19:41 has given so much to you I suppose over the years of your career?
19:45 Yeah I think it's probably easier now to get the projects and things out with the power of social media and stuff like that
19:54 and the reach that you can then get out there which ultimately helps the charities but I think it's the more you go to these places
20:05 or you meet certain people or you go to a hospital bed and you just, for me I just can't help feeling like you've got to do something
20:12 and I think with our platforms as footballers and using our reach in the right way you can help change people's lives
20:20 and I think obviously I'm lucky enough to be asked to be a patron for PACT which is a small local charity that's based on the
20:31 children's ward at the Sheffield Children's Hospital and they deal with leukaemia patients and kids with cancer
20:39 and having gone down there on the ward and meeting the people behind the name almost, what they do day to day is unbelievable
20:48 and how it kind of helps the families, helps the children, literally taking them food on the ward every day,
20:56 take them away from the treatment when they can, go away from having treatment to just have a break from what has become
21:04 normality for them to go to the seaside, sounds simple, things that we all probably take for granted that there's a house
21:11 up the road from the hospital that they bought off an old doctor, give it them for a cheaper price and families can go
21:17 and just get a shower and just be close enough to the hospital that they can go and cook a nice meal and they don't have to rely
21:24 on vending machines and worry where they're going to stay, you know, a lot of families come from all over the country
21:31 and the cost of hotels and things can be obviously a lot of money if your kid's in there for 6, 7, 8 months,
21:38 some's been in there a lot longer so it's a real hands on charity that I know have dealt with people that I'm close to
21:47 and there's Andy the chef upstairs and his son's, well he's cancer free at the moment thankfully and he had a big part to play
21:57 in Isaac's recovery and stuff so his wife's a volunteer which I only found out when I went there and obviously Aaron and Lucy
22:05 and the fundraising that I was doing for Jude and then yeah it turned out that my wife's grandma was a founder member of the charity as well
22:14 so her grandad, you know, he was over the moon when I told him that they'd asked me to be a patron so that's just one charity
22:22 in a small world of, you know, a lot of people that need help and if we can do just a little bit to help just one person it's worth it.
22:30 I always like to do things that get people out and get people involved, like the charity runs and things, I think it gives people a sense of
22:40 achievement that they've actually, you know, gone and done something and gone and helped and yeah, whenever I can lend my hand
22:48 I'm more than happy to do so.
22:50 Excellent, I'm going to go on to a very niche topic now that's probably just for me and about six other people
22:55 and it's still quite football boots because it's one thing that I chat to other people in the press box about and they don't seem to care
23:02 just my own enjoyment but, so you've won Preds for the most part, are you quite picky about the ones you have or when there's a new pair of Preds come out
23:13 do you go straight for them?
23:15 To be fair, very recently I just got the, luckily Pro Direct Soccer just messaged me and reserved me a pair of the Trent Alexander-Arnold boots
23:24 that he scored the free kick in the other day, however they're still in the boot room because it was a toss up on Saturday between wearing
23:32 the other ones that I wore, the blue and silver ones, or we'll call them white and red.
23:38 So, can't bring myself to put them on just yet, they might, I don't know, I might get Trent to sign them and keep them for my personal collection
23:48 but yeah, I can't put them on my feet just yet. So, colours I'm picky about when there's any red or white for obvious reasons
23:57 but no, I love what they've done with the Predators recently, obviously you know I wear the Limited and the kind of remakes
24:04 These are the best Preds they've done in years
24:06 I'd agree, yeah, so I think how they brought the Tongue back first and foremost is something that needed to happen
24:13 I was going to ask you about that, do you think it's a travesty that there's people out there wearing Preds without Tongues on them?
24:18 I say it to Bailey every day, so he gets his boots off Adidas or whatever he does and I just look and think
24:24 how have you not picked the ones with the Tongue?
24:26 He's too young to get into it.
24:29 That's what it is, to me he's like berserk, he's not from that era of football boots with a Tongue
24:37 so to him it's like what are they? type thing but yeah, I just can't keep up at the minute with all the drops
24:44 and the resellers are just asking for like crazy money at the minute
24:49 so if I can get them at retail I'm more than happy to take them
24:53 I use quite a number of different boot sellers which to be fair the majority are quite good now
24:58 because they know that I'm going to put them on my feet and it's good for them as well
25:02 so they look after you but still waiting for Adidas to give me a call to get me some custom Preds for my testimonial
25:09 Yeah, the Billy and Palmer version, blue and white
25:12 Yeah, exactly, I spoke to Sam Handy that's the director of Adidas, he followed me back the other day
25:17 so we'll watch this space hopefully we can get a campaign going for that, that would be good
25:23 Do you have any superstitions when it comes to, not just boots but just generally your build up to matches
25:28 do you have things that you do every week and things that you won't do?
25:31 Not really, no, there's things where you think oh what did I do, played really well that game
25:38 what did I do last week or what did I do the night before or what did I eat
25:42 but I think as you go and you play X amount of games there's nothing that's all in your mind I think
25:49 I always wear, probably get me in trouble this now, wrist tape to put my wedding ring under there
25:56 Oh okay, so you play with the wedding ring?
25:58 Yeah, so the ref will probably check this now, so don't put this out
26:03 but yeah that's just something that I've done since I've been married
26:08 I nicked that off Darren Purse actually when he was here, when I saw him at the Cardiff game
26:13 I think he's done something, when we played him in the cup and I showed him and he was buzzing
26:18 that I'd remembered it and kept it going so yeah that's just something that's not for flair or skill
26:24 or anything like that, it's just more for my, so I know where my ring is and luckily it's not popped out yet
26:29 Okay so you're going to be in trouble if it does
26:31 Probably yeah, probably
26:33 Just lastly, I put together a graphic that I know you saw of all the players that you've been on the pitch with at Wednesday
26:40 You know when you see them like that, because I'm sure you know you've played with a lot of players
26:45 but to see the, I suppose the obscurity of some of the names, guys who sometimes only played once
26:50 does that put it into perspective, just the scale of what you've done at Wednesday over the years?
26:56 Yeah it's wild, I think looking at that and you just going through the names thinking
27:00 I think I might have said it to you like, has he missed anyone?
27:03 I look in and I couldn't see anyone, I know people message and say this player, that player
27:07 but I think you got it spot on mate to be fair but yeah some names and each name that you come across
27:14 for me obviously a different memory will pop in my head or you remember something funny
27:20 or it's just, I'm one of these people that give energy to everyone, I've always spoke to everyone
27:27 I'm never just in a click or anything like that and I, especially people that may be a bit quieter
27:33 that people think are quiet and then once they open up they're loud and probably the ones that you don't
27:38 expect to be quite, you know, popular in the dressing room or have a different kind of humour
27:43 I try and take time to understand people and yeah I think some on the list you think
27:51 Was there any that you looked at and thought I genuinely forgot I'd played with them?
27:55 Because there was people on there that I forgot played for Wednesday completely
27:58 Yeah, not until I read it and I was like oh right yeah but ones that yeah I think what it is
28:05 even if you've played with them only a couple of times you're still with them every day
28:08 so it's like to that list or to you it might look like oh I've only played with him once
28:12 but you've probably been with them two or three years you know
28:15 Some of the younger boys as well that's obviously played the odd time
28:19 and yeah obviously you all follow each other's lives on social media and still keep in touch with
28:26 I won't say all of them but quite a lot of them
28:29 It's good to see what obviously people are up to now and some have become managers
28:34 some have become coaches, some have become completely different ventures and things
28:39 so yeah it's interesting to see it from that perspective as well
28:42 people that you'd never think would be a manager or think to be in coaching
28:47 and are now doing it and it's interesting
28:52 On that note, what's next? I know you say you've got a lot of football left in you
28:56 but is Liam Palmer a coach? Is he a manager? Is he a pundit?
29:00 Have you thought about that as your next steps as to what you want to do when the time does come?
29:04 I've thought about it briefly, I've not put too much energy into thinking about that side
29:09 like I say but hopefully touch wood
29:12 I've got a lot of football left in me but when that time does come as it comes to us all
29:17 to be fair when football is all you've ever known part of me thinks it's my comfort zone
29:25 I do it until the day I can't work anymore, I love coaching
29:30 I love coaching kids and seeing how they take what you're trying to tell them on board
29:39 and put it into practice and you can really see the penny drop, I love that feeling
29:43 I'm doing my coaching badges in York as soon as the season finishes
29:48 I've got a week there, UEFA B so I'll get that wrapped up
29:52 I've put it off the last few years but not had time with the play-off campaigns and things
29:57 so finally get them badges sorted and a lot of people say just do it while you're playing
30:04 so looking forward to that
30:07 another part of me thinks football is all you've ever known, what about trying something completely different
30:13 still a lot to think about, players I've spoken to that have gone into coaching
30:21 that have gone into different things, didn't know what to do right up until the point they finish
30:27 I like getting stuck in with the old DIY and renovating properties which I'm not very good at
30:33 but I'm getting better, so I'll probably leave that to the experts
30:39 and just being around for family as well, it's something that I've been really lucky that
30:44 my kids have picked them up from school every day and it's something I'll never take for granted
30:49 you don't get that time back really so spend as much time with the kids as possible
30:56 you have to sacrifice a lot as a player, my son's birthday on Saturday obviously we travelled
31:02 I didn't see him until late Sunday but they understand it now, more than make up for it
31:09 you're a long time retired aren't you so I want to keep playing as long as possible
31:15 we'll see where the wind takes me but try and cover as many avenues as possible education wise
31:22 and re-educate yourself in different things, got a lot of things that I'm passionate about
31:28 and that I could lend my hand to but it might be a chance to give one of the old teammates a call
31:36 if they're in a decent position managing and go and hand out some water bottles or something like that
31:41 put some cones out. You and Baz co-managing when does he want that?
31:45 Yeah you never know, stranger things have happened but no one knows what's coming in the future
31:53 I don't like to think too far ahead, big thing for me is, we speak to Tom Bates about it quite a lot
32:00 is being present and being in this present moment and not just with football but in home life as well
32:06 going home and being there and being present in that moment and whatever's happening externally around
32:12 it's something that I like to try and pull up on the drive, show up for the kids now
32:17 you've got to show up for, go and see your parents, go and see your grandparents while you've got a chance
32:23 and that's something that I try and do day to day and that's how I try and live my life.
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