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00:00:00 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:00:04 (upbeat music)

00:00:06 - Cheers, sir.

00:00:07 - Cheers.

00:00:10 - What is that? Black rifle?

00:00:14 - Black rifle, yeah.

00:00:15 - What's up, Chris?

00:00:16 What's up, baby? How are you?

00:00:17 - Good to see you, man.

00:00:18 - So how long have you been in Texas now?

00:00:19 - Two years.

00:00:20 - Wow.

00:00:21 Do you feel like this is where you live

00:00:23 or do you like everything?

00:00:24 - This feels like home.

00:00:25 - Really?

00:00:26 - Yeah.

00:00:26 - Wow.

00:00:27 - Yeah, I went back home for Christmas in the UK

00:00:29 and it's so strange to go back to a place

00:00:31 that you know so well, you're super familiar with,

00:00:34 but you're kind of different and everything's changed,

00:00:37 but everything's the same

00:00:38 and you fall back into old patterns.

00:00:40 You remember that tree that you used to walk past

00:00:42 on your morning walk and all of,

00:00:44 it's very disquieting, but it's fun.

00:00:45 It's nice.

00:00:46 - The oddest thing for me is the contrast

00:00:49 in the amount of freedom you have

00:00:51 for things that you would never think were important.

00:00:53 Like these little nicotine things.

00:00:56 In California, you can't buy this because it's flavored.

00:01:01 In California, you can put a tent

00:01:06 in front of people's houses and fucking cook meth

00:01:09 and no one says anything.

00:01:10 No one does anything.

00:01:11 You could commit violent crime

00:01:14 and you get arrested and released with no bail.

00:01:16 They'll never find you again.

00:01:18 The laws are so ridiculous,

00:01:21 but you are not allowed to have flavored nicotine.

00:01:25 Flavored nicotine is dangerous, Chris.

00:01:27 - They're trying to ban flavored vapes in the UK

00:01:32 very aggressively, super aggressively.

00:01:34 It's like, that's the big deal.

00:01:35 That being said, I think it's like some non-insignificant

00:01:38 percentage of school children are using vapes.

00:01:41 - It's very addictive.

00:01:42 - There's a no vapes sign in schools.

00:01:46 Like that wasn't something that was already self-evident.

00:01:49 - Well, cigarettes were a big deal

00:01:51 when I was in high school.

00:01:52 You know, a lot of kids smoked cigarettes.

00:01:55 It was a cool kid's thing to do.

00:01:57 - What's the smoking age in America?

00:01:58 - I think it's 18.

00:02:00 18?

00:02:01 - Legally, yeah.

00:02:02 It's 18.

00:02:03 But when I was a kid, people got cigarettes.

00:02:05 Someone got you cigarettes.

00:02:07 I don't know.

00:02:07 When I was young, I remember before I turned 18,

00:02:10 they changed the legal drinking age.

00:02:12 'Cause the legal drinking age, I believe, used to be 18.

00:02:15 And then they bumped it up to 21.

00:02:16 I was like, damn it.

00:02:17 - Dude, have you ever seen the video

00:02:20 of when DUIs came in in the 1980s

00:02:22 and they're interviewing people in cars?

00:02:24 - Yeah.

00:02:25 - That's one of my favorite videos of all time.

00:02:28 Please, Jamie, let me watch that video again.

00:02:30 - Yeah, the lady's like,

00:02:32 we're gonna bring in communism.

00:02:34 (laughing)

00:02:35 - Don't know what the world's coming to.

00:02:37 - Maine can't work all day.

00:02:37 - And she's got a kid.

00:02:39 She's got a baby in the passenger seat.

00:02:41 - No seatbelt.

00:02:42 - Oh my God.

00:02:43 - Anybody who did have a seatbelt, there's no airbags.

00:02:45 Those things are death traps.

00:02:46 - It's one of my favorite videos.

00:02:48 There's this weird,

00:02:49 there's something I've noticed since being in America.

00:02:50 Your guys' relationship with drink driving

00:02:54 is a little bit more lax than it is in the UK.

00:02:57 - Really?

00:02:58 - Yeah, the numbers--

00:02:59 - Not in Texas.

00:03:00 If you have any alcohol in your system at all,

00:03:02 they'll arrest you.

00:03:03 Like if you get pulled over and they said,

00:03:05 have you had anything to drink?

00:03:06 And you say, yes, I've had one drink,

00:03:09 you're getting arrested.

00:03:10 - I fucking love this video.

00:03:11 - Drinking and driving here is viewed by some

00:03:13 as downright undemocratic.

00:03:15 - It's kind of getting common

00:03:16 is when a fella can't even put in a hard day's work,

00:03:18 put in 11, 12 hours a day,

00:03:20 and they're getting you drunk

00:03:21 and the lease rang one or two beers.

00:03:23 They're making it law

00:03:25 that you can't drink when you want to.

00:03:27 You have to wear a seatbelt when you're driving.

00:03:30 - Yeah, she's wearing a seatbelt.

00:03:31 It looks like the baby--

00:03:32 - We're gonna be communist country.

00:03:33 - Frank, say it, we're gonna be communist country.

00:03:34 - The baby is more protected than I thought it was.

00:03:36 It had that thing in front of it.

00:03:37 - Yeah, yeah.

00:03:38 - That little cushion in front of it.

00:03:39 So it seemed like she was like a little bit more--

00:03:41 - The funniest thing about that is--

00:03:41 - See that thing?

00:03:42 - Their issue is, it's not with not being allowed

00:03:45 to drink then drive.

00:03:47 Theirs is one worse.

00:03:48 It's drink and drive.

00:03:49 You mean I can't drink and--

00:03:51 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:52 - Constantly.

00:03:53 (laughing)

00:03:54 - Dude, I love that video.

00:03:56 Oh my God.

00:03:57 - Yeah, you definitely shouldn't drink and drive.

00:04:00 That's true.

00:04:01 But also, you don't really want people telling you

00:04:04 what you can and can't do.

00:04:06 And once they start doing it with anything,

00:04:07 Bill, you gonna bring in communism.

00:04:10 - I think pretty sexy--

00:04:11 - I see it's cartoonish.

00:04:12 It's very cartoonish when they're saying that.

00:04:14 It's very ridiculous.

00:04:15 But kind of they have a point.

00:04:17 This is the only point.

00:04:18 If you let someone tell you what you can't do,

00:04:22 they're gonna expand that power

00:04:24 of telling you what you can't do.

00:04:25 - Yeah. - Always.

00:04:26 - One of the problems is that puts--

00:04:28 - That sobriety was somehow not fitting

00:04:31 with the American way.

00:04:32 What?

00:04:32 - Measuring sobriety.

00:04:35 - Okay, hold on a second.

00:04:36 Okay, during the 1950s, the American public

00:04:38 and the judicial system were still erring

00:04:40 on the side of the drunk driver.

00:04:41 Oddly enough, some people were concerned

00:04:43 with the mechanization of measuring sobriety

00:04:46 was somehow not fitting with the American way.

00:04:48 Kinda isn't.

00:04:49 It kinda isn't.

00:04:51 But also you shouldn't drink and drive.

00:04:53 Like both things are true.

00:04:54 We should like teach people

00:04:56 that you should never fucking do that.

00:04:58 I went to high school with a kid.

00:05:00 And he was a good guy.

00:05:02 I knew him from the time I was like 14.

00:05:05 And then when I guess senior in high school,

00:05:09 he was drunk and he crashed his car and killed his friend.

00:05:12 And I remember running into him on the street.

00:05:15 We were both walking.

00:05:17 And I walked by him and he's had his head down.

00:05:21 And I wasn't good friends with him,

00:05:22 but I was friends with him.

00:05:23 I always said hi to him.

00:05:25 I said hi to him.

00:05:26 I said, "Hey man, how you doing?"

00:05:26 He's like, "Meh."

00:05:28 He was done.

00:05:29 He was done.

00:05:30 His life was over, man.

00:05:32 He wasn't a regular kid anymore.

00:05:36 He was a kid who killed his friend

00:05:37 in a drunk driving accident.

00:05:39 It was a different human.

00:05:40 Like his life, he was this one guy,

00:05:43 he was a good normal guy, fun guy.

00:05:44 People liked him.

00:05:45 He was a friendly guy.

00:05:47 And then all of a sudden, a pariah.

00:05:49 All of a sudden, everyone knows what you did.

00:05:51 All of a sudden, what you did, you can't believe you did.

00:05:54 This horrible, horrible, horrible thing.

00:05:57 And you did it when you were so young.

00:05:58 - A kid.

00:05:59 - He was 16, 17, whatever he was.

00:06:01 He didn't know what he was doing.

00:06:02 He had no idea.

00:06:04 You're so stupid when you're that young.

00:06:07 Your brain's not formed yet.

00:06:09 And you can't treat them like they're adults.

00:06:11 You just can't.

00:06:12 They're not adults.

00:06:14 You talking about a 16 year old kid, a 15 year old kid?

00:06:17 Like fuck.

00:06:19 When they're doing things, they don't even know what's real.

00:06:22 I mean, and it's all completely dependent

00:06:25 upon how they were raised.

00:06:27 Like you could get really lucky and have solid parents

00:06:30 and really have like a good understanding

00:06:33 of how to behave in the world.

00:06:35 Or you could get fucked.

00:06:37 And you got some dad who beats the shit out of you

00:06:39 and he's always on meth and your mother's a fucking liar

00:06:44 and she steals money and she sells people stuff.

00:06:48 You know, that could be your reality too.

00:06:50 And to expect a person like that to behave exactly

00:06:54 the way you do with your nice life is crazy.

00:06:59 It's crazy.

00:06:59 And it's one of the weirder things that we do.

00:07:02 Instead of looking at the origins of,

00:07:07 what are the origins of horrible behavior?

00:07:09 It's all terrible childhoods.

00:07:11 It's almost all terrible childhoods.

00:07:13 Instead of looking at that, all we look at is a crime.

00:07:16 It's very strange.

00:07:18 It's a weird thing.

00:07:19 It's like to know logically that you just have to take

00:07:22 a few extra steps and you say,

00:07:23 well, what's the root of this problem?

00:07:25 And how do we address that?

00:07:26 How do we make it better?

00:07:28 We have so much money for other things.

00:07:29 We don't have any money for that.

00:07:31 That seems like one of the most fundamental problems

00:07:35 any country would face is the amount of people

00:07:38 that grow up that become violent criminals

00:07:42 because they were fucked from the time they were young.

00:07:44 They had no shot at life.

00:07:46 Their whole childhood was just violence and chaos.

00:07:51 And that's not a insignificant number of people

00:07:54 in this country.

00:07:55 And yet any foreign conflict has to be addressed

00:08:00 with the utmost urgency.

00:08:02 When the things that are paramount to our daily existence

00:08:06 right here, what our tax dollars pay for right here

00:08:10 are just completely ignored, completely ignored,

00:08:14 never discussed.

00:08:16 They'll talk to you about climate change.

00:08:18 Climate change, let me tell you something.

00:08:20 If you live in the South side of Chicago and you get shot,

00:08:21 climate change doesn't mean jack shit to you, okay?

00:08:24 We should address what the fuck is going on right now,

00:08:28 not climate change.

00:08:30 - Do you know what the ideas of luxury beliefs are?

00:08:33 You heard of this?

00:08:34 - No.

00:08:35 - So it's been repopularized by my friend, Rob Henderson.

00:08:37 So luxury beliefs are ideas held by the upper classes

00:08:41 that confer status on them,

00:08:43 but often cause costs for the lower class.

00:08:45 So the seminal example of this is defund the police.

00:08:50 I walked past a house in Austin, not far from where I live,

00:08:54 that has a defund the police flag in the garden out front

00:08:59 and a private security sticker in the front window.

00:09:02 (laughing)

00:09:04 - It's so stupid.

00:09:10 It's such a virtue.

00:09:12 Do you know Will Storr?

00:09:14 - Of course.

00:09:15 - I went for breakfast with him yesterday.

00:09:17 - He's great.

00:09:17 - He's fantastic.

00:09:18 - Of course you know.

00:09:19 Will Storr, who wrote that book, "The Status Game,"

00:09:22 was explaining all this and how what people are doing,

00:09:25 what they're actually doing.

00:09:26 - He's outstanding.

00:09:27 - So good.

00:09:28 He relates it to so many behavior patterns in life,

00:09:31 which is like, oh my God, this all makes sense.

00:09:33 - He's a legend of storytelling.

00:09:34 He's one of the best writers in the UK.

00:09:37 Yeah, there's this really interesting example

00:09:39 of my friend, Mary Harrington,

00:09:41 talks about how the death of chivalry

00:09:45 has caused an increase in domestic violence.

00:09:47 So it's very interesting.

00:09:48 So this is a good example of this luxury beliefs thing.

00:09:50 So yes, during the 1960s and '70s,

00:09:54 if you were an upper-class lady

00:09:56 and the guys that you were dating

00:09:58 were from households that had two parents

00:10:00 that had taught them how you're supposed to treat people

00:10:02 and they weren't mistreated and all the rest,

00:10:04 they grew up like a well-balanced person.

00:10:06 To them, it might seem a little bit patronizing

00:10:08 for the guy to hold the door for you, right?

00:10:10 Or to pull the chair out,

00:10:12 or to make sure that you get home okay.

00:10:13 Because you live in existence

00:10:15 in which the danger of that not happening,

00:10:17 not going appropriately, isn't that great.

00:10:20 Now, what wasn't understood

00:10:22 by a lot of the upper-class feminists

00:10:24 that were talking about this derogation of chivalry

00:10:27 that they wanted was that that doesn't necessarily work

00:10:30 for the working class or the underclass woman

00:10:33 who is dating a man whose father beat him

00:10:36 or stepfather beat him or didn't have a father

00:10:38 or was homeless or addicted to drugs or in violent crime.

00:10:40 And she thinks it's a direct line, a single spectrum

00:10:43 from you should hold the door open for women

00:10:46 to you shouldn't beat your wife.

00:10:47 And I think that it's true.

00:10:49 Women should be seen as something

00:10:51 that requires additional protection,

00:10:54 that are precious and should be respected.

00:10:56 If you derogate the stuff up here, sure,

00:10:59 maybe it means that you liberate some of the working,

00:11:01 the upper-class women to be able to go

00:11:02 and do whatever they want.

00:11:04 But what does this cause downstream

00:11:06 when you don't have those guardrails in place

00:11:07 for the men that the lower-class women are dating?

00:11:10 - Well, just all men, period.

00:11:12 And it should be, and here's the thing,

00:11:15 that this is how it's looked upon in the martial arts world.

00:11:20 If I know that I can fuck you up and I fuck you up,

00:11:25 I'm probably a bad person.

00:11:28 It's never good that a guy who is like some trained killer

00:11:33 goes after some regular guy,

00:11:37 picks a fight with him and fucks him up.

00:11:38 It's never thought of as good.

00:11:40 It's always negative, like almost entirely negative.

00:11:43 Like the entire fan base

00:11:45 will recognize that terrible behavior.

00:11:48 So if you're a man and you have someone who is your wife

00:11:54 and she's smaller than you and female,

00:11:58 you have the craziest advantage physically.

00:12:02 It's the most awful tyranny physically

00:12:05 if violence is involved.

00:12:07 If you decide that you're gonna start swinging

00:12:10 and teaching people lessons and then lying to police

00:12:14 about how someone got hurt and,

00:12:16 "Oh, she fell down the stairs."

00:12:19 And if you grow up seeing that,

00:12:21 that's even maybe more fucked up

00:12:25 'cause that's your model for,

00:12:27 and that's probably what their model was

00:12:28 when they were growing up.

00:12:30 But it's, as men, we have to look at that

00:12:35 as the weakest of most disgusting behaviors,

00:12:40 including beating up on people that are weak.

00:12:43 - Well, that's the reason for the male monkey dance

00:12:45 as it's called.

00:12:46 The reason for that is that it's rivalry

00:12:50 between two potentially matched males

00:12:54 and we don't know who's going to win.

00:12:56 That's the reason for the conflict.

00:12:58 If there's a huge disparity,

00:12:59 what's the point for the conflict?

00:13:01 You already know who's going to win, right?

00:13:03 That's why beating up a 70-year-old guy

00:13:05 or a 10-year-old boy isn't a big deal.

00:13:08 But if you're a 21-year-old dude that's about this high,

00:13:10 this is exactly why you have weight classes, right?

00:13:12 It's to create this degree of intrigue

00:13:16 and fairness in the rivalry.

00:13:17 - 100%, 100%.

00:13:20 Yeah, if a heavyweight beat up on a bantamweight,

00:13:23 everyone would be furious.

00:13:24 But that's what a lot of men are and a lot of women are.

00:13:27 It's crazy.

00:13:28 If that happened in the male martial arts world,

00:13:30 people would be furious.

00:13:33 It's just fucking, it's horrible.

00:13:37 And it's weird that it's always been a part of like cinema.

00:13:41 There's always been scenes

00:13:42 where James Cagney smacks a girl in the face.

00:13:45 And there was one, God, I wish I could remember the movie.

00:13:49 It was so crazy.

00:13:50 But it was like a 1950s movie

00:13:53 and the dad was spanking the wife, spanking her,

00:13:57 like had her over his knee.

00:13:59 And the young girl was saying

00:14:03 that that's how he shows mommy that he loves her.

00:14:07 God, you remember that movie, Jamie?

00:14:11 I know we played it.

00:14:12 It was insane.

00:14:13 It was like this insane scene from a movie

00:14:16 where you're like, what?

00:14:17 - What the fuck am I watching?

00:14:18 - But it's a time capsule into this evolving understanding

00:14:23 of how human beings interact with each other.

00:14:24 That's what it is.

00:14:25 And it's a time capsule from less than 100 years ago.

00:14:28 - What was that super famous?

00:14:29 - Is it Shirley Temple?

00:14:30 - Yes, yes, it's Shirley Temple.

00:14:33 That's what it, bro.

00:14:34 - You spanked mama.

00:14:35 - You're darn tootin' I did.

00:14:36 - That means you love her.

00:14:38 - That's what I've been trying to tell her.

00:14:40 (woman screams)

00:14:44 - Oh my God, dude.

00:14:47 You're darn tootin'.

00:14:49 - Darn tootin' I am.

00:14:50 - The guy's got someone's daughter over his knee

00:14:54 and he's spanking her into submission.

00:14:57 Spanking her, holding her and spanking her.

00:15:00 That means you love her, Shirley Temple says.

00:15:02 Shirley Temple was like the propagandist.

00:15:05 She was like a young propagandist.

00:15:06 - She's not, that's actually her.

00:15:07 I'm trying to type it in, it's not.

00:15:09 - It's not her?

00:15:09 - So it might be someone else.

00:15:11 - How many of them were there?

00:15:12 How many of them young, famous girl actors were there?

00:15:15 How many of them came out great?

00:15:17 Zero?

00:15:18 - It's a mixed bag.

00:15:19 Britney Spears is a work in progress.

00:15:21 (laughing)

00:15:23 - I do not think children should be developing

00:15:26 in front of the world.

00:15:27 I think that's an insane amount of pressure.

00:15:29 I think becoming famous in front of the world

00:15:31 is an insane amount of pressure.

00:15:33 Becoming a child as you're growing up,

00:15:37 you're in front of the world,

00:15:37 that's not work manageable.

00:15:39 No one's designed like that.

00:15:41 You're gonna blow the hardware.

00:15:42 - I had this idea about,

00:15:44 we always hear the problems of child stars.

00:15:46 Macaulay Culkin, Britney Spears,

00:15:48 too much fame, too young.

00:15:49 And I don't disagree that thinking about,

00:15:51 oh my God, this person's basically never known the world

00:15:55 without adoration and attention and focus and scrutiny

00:15:58 and all that stuff.

00:16:00 But there's a really interesting question

00:16:02 about what happens if you're a,

00:16:03 let's say, for example, Canadian psychologist

00:16:07 who's been working away in the dusty annals

00:16:10 of some university for a while.

00:16:11 And out of nowhere, you get thrust into the limelight

00:16:17 and then this bold MMA commentator

00:16:18 plucks you out of obscurity.

00:16:20 And now you're one of the most talked about people

00:16:25 on the planet.

00:16:26 The interesting thing here is, as the child,

00:16:28 yes, you didn't know what the world was like before.

00:16:30 I understand that can be disquieting.

00:16:32 But what about when you had a sense of self?

00:16:34 What about when you thought you knew who you were

00:16:36 and your place in the world

00:16:38 and your place in the status hierarchy as Will would say?

00:16:41 What about that?

00:16:42 And then you just get ripped from your moorings

00:16:43 and you're just out in space

00:16:45 and the ISS is going past you and you're (whooshing)

00:16:48 - You're certainly gonna make some mistakes.

00:16:50 There's no way around it.

00:16:51 You've never managed those waters before.

00:16:54 If you just get in a raft for the first time

00:16:56 and you're going down white waters to navigate,

00:16:58 you're probably gonna fall in.

00:16:59 Like you're probably not good at this.

00:17:01 - If the acceleration is quick as well.

00:17:03 - Yeah, if you're on a kayak and you're hitting rocks,

00:17:06 you're probably gonna fall in.

00:17:07 You don't know what the fuck you're doing.

00:17:09 But once you figure out what you're doing,

00:17:11 then you can kind of achieve some sort of level of balance.

00:17:14 But for him, I think a lot of it was exacerbated

00:17:17 by the benzodiazepine thing.

00:17:21 So he was taking anti-anxiety medication.

00:17:24 He didn't understand when it was prescribed to him,

00:17:26 how addictive it was

00:17:27 and what the consequences were of getting off of it.

00:17:30 And he talks about it a lot.

00:17:32 And I think he was sick for over a year.

00:17:35 - I'm pretty sure that you,

00:17:36 there's a number of psychiatrists

00:17:38 that are hesitant about prescribing that

00:17:39 for more than a couple of days.

00:17:41 And Jordan was on it for months and months and months.

00:17:43 - It seems like even for a couple of days,

00:17:45 you're like, you're just kissing death.

00:17:47 I just wanna kiss you death.

00:17:50 - Have you seen the Instagram account, Mugshorties?

00:17:54 - No.

00:17:55 - Oh my God.

00:17:57 This is one of the greatest things on the internet.

00:17:59 I can't believe I get to teach you about Mugshorties.

00:18:01 Come on, J-Mo, let's do this.

00:18:03 So it's images, mugshots of girls

00:18:08 that have been taken in for questioning.

00:18:13 So it'll say in the top, in the description,

00:18:16 what they've been charged for.

00:18:18 Look at the comment below.

00:18:20 - She's driving me while intoxicated.

00:18:24 - Your honor, we're under her influence.

00:18:26 - Her eyes are intoxicating.

00:18:28 - Your honor, I think you've been drinking.

00:18:31 Keep going.

00:18:31 - Oh my God, it's amazing.

00:18:33 They're very funny.

00:18:34 There's my Valentine.

00:18:37 Oh, so they're all funny comments.

00:18:38 - Oh yeah, yeah.

00:18:39 - Oh, that's great.

00:18:40 - A bunch of thirsty dudes that are just like,

00:18:41 I'll fucking-

00:18:42 - Yeah, but they seem to be making funny jokes though.

00:18:44 - Assault, consensual.

00:18:46 - Oh yeah, they're all assault.

00:18:47 - They're funny though.

00:18:48 - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:48 - That's fun.

00:18:50 What is it called?

00:18:51 - Mugshot- - Shotties.

00:18:53 - Shotties, S-H-A-W-T-Y-S.

00:18:56 - Not shorties, but shotties.

00:18:58 - OWI, possession of marijuana

00:19:00 and possession of paraphernalia.

00:19:01 It was my weed, officer.

00:19:03 There's another one.

00:19:05 It was like possession of cocaine

00:19:07 and someone replied and said it was medicinal.

00:19:10 - Face ID doesn't wanna believe

00:19:12 that it's me with this headphone on, it's odd.

00:19:16 - I would think that, you know,

00:19:19 that would be like a really good place to test jokes.

00:19:22 You know, as a comic, like with mugshots,

00:19:25 it's like a really fun exercise

00:19:27 just to try to come up with funny line-

00:19:28 - What can I come up with?

00:19:29 Yeah, you've got the way that they look

00:19:30 and you've got a short description about the caption.

00:19:33 - You know who would excel at that is Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:19:36 Tony Hinchcliffe would excel at that.

00:19:38 - Mr. Roast?

00:19:39 - He's the best at that.

00:19:40 There's no one better.

00:19:41 There's no one better at like finding something funny

00:19:44 about some horrible aspect of what just happened.

00:19:47 - Jimmy Carr's pretty good.

00:19:49 - Yes, yes, he's very good at it.

00:19:51 Yeah, the two of them could duke it out.

00:19:53 It'd be a lot of fun.

00:19:54 I think they might have done like a roast battle.

00:19:56 - They have?

00:19:58 - That's right, they have.

00:19:59 - Wow, that would be like a unstoppable object

00:20:02 and an immovable force.

00:20:04 - Tony comes up with them, they're so fast,

00:20:06 you can't believe they're not scripted.

00:20:07 Like his brain just, oh, but it's like that 24/7.

00:20:11 Like in the green room,

00:20:12 he's always like got puns for everything.

00:20:14 It's just, his mind just works

00:20:17 in a really weird joke writer way.

00:20:19 - Well, Mark Norman's the same, right?

00:20:20 He just can't not do it.

00:20:22 - Cannot do it, very similar.

00:20:24 I mean, Mark's even more extreme.

00:20:26 - Yeah, it's unrelenting with him.

00:20:27 - Fucking hell.

00:20:28 - Mark can't, like if he gets panicky,

00:20:31 if we're talking about something weird,

00:20:33 like he goes, "I think they're gonna think it's boring."

00:20:36 (laughing)

00:20:37 Like his attention span is like, it's so short.

00:20:41 Like I don't think he ever watches documentaries.

00:20:43 I don't know, he's always going.

00:20:45 - I think I texted him a stat about 77% of 18 to 24 year olds

00:20:50 in the US are ineligible to join the military

00:20:53 because of being overweight or mental or drug problems.

00:20:58 And he just replied with meal team six.

00:21:01 (laughing)

00:21:03 - That's him, 24/7.

00:21:08 That's just how his brain works.

00:21:10 - He's so good at it, so good at it.

00:21:13 It's a marvel of personality.

00:21:15 Like when we do protect our parks, he's just like this.

00:21:17 He's like a special, you know, like you have,

00:21:20 if you were gonna make a really good stew,

00:21:22 it's not just meat, you know, you want carrots in there,

00:21:25 you want potatoes, you want spices.

00:21:27 Like he's a critical spice.

00:21:29 - He's a big carrot.

00:21:30 - He's something that's very important

00:21:32 to that recipe being delicious.

00:21:33 - Fucking phenomenal, dude.

00:21:35 - He's such a good guy too.

00:21:37 There's this idea about, in "Blackadder",

00:21:41 Rowan Atkinson, this famous British comedy,

00:21:43 he was saying, "You know your bits, don't you?"

00:21:47 One of the actors says to him, and he says,

00:21:49 "This is different, it's spontaneous and it's called wit."

00:21:52 And I just always stuck in my mind

00:21:54 that there's a difference between having prepared

00:21:57 and well-constructed stuff in advance

00:21:59 and then being able to, no matter what it is,

00:22:01 whether it's insights, whether it's debate,

00:22:03 whether it's argumentation, whether it's analysis,

00:22:06 all of those things, the ability for someone

00:22:08 to just turn it on like that.

00:22:10 - The verbal sparring aspect of it.

00:22:12 Some people don't like that.

00:22:13 And then there's some comics that aren't really good at that.

00:22:16 They're not good at dealing with audience members

00:22:18 or anything like that.

00:22:19 They're not good at answering questions.

00:22:21 But they're good at long takes on things

00:22:25 where they sit alone in contemplation

00:22:27 and go over some ironic aspect of a topic

00:22:30 and then they write out really good material about it.

00:22:32 It's still super valid.

00:22:34 It's like, there's no one that's better than the other,

00:22:36 but there's different personalities

00:22:40 that get attracted to the idea

00:22:42 of constructing a standup comedy routine.

00:22:45 And for some personalities,

00:22:47 they're not like a conflict personality

00:22:49 or, "Yeah, well, you're a this."

00:22:51 They're not that guy or that girl.

00:22:53 There's someone who gets some subject,

00:22:56 bothers them, whatever it is, climate change,

00:22:59 whatever it is, and they just sit on it.

00:23:01 And they're like, "What is it?"

00:23:03 And then they'll be alone,

00:23:04 they'll be in front of the computer,

00:23:06 they'll get a notebook out.

00:23:07 They just sit on it for fucking days sometimes,

00:23:10 bounce it around back and forth, twist it around,

00:23:12 start it from this way, start it from the back, back it up.

00:23:16 Go from the conclusion first

00:23:18 and then explain your conclusion in a hilarious way.

00:23:22 See if it works better that way.

00:23:23 And you'll do that.

00:23:25 And then that type of comic,

00:23:27 like that mindset can create great bits.

00:23:30 They're great comics,

00:23:32 but they just don't like to do the audience thing.

00:23:34 But that's okay too.

00:23:35 It's like, you can't ask someone

00:23:38 to change their personality,

00:23:39 but Tony is like, he's a razor-tongued man.

00:23:43 If you talk shit to Tony, he's gonna fuck you up.

00:23:47 - Dancing with death.

00:23:48 - Yeah, I mean, and he's not physically imposing whatsoever.

00:23:51 So it makes it even more brutal when he comes after you.

00:23:54 - The same with Michael Malice.

00:23:55 - Yes, exactly.

00:23:56 - Michael once told me, he said,

00:23:57 "I couldn't get away with half of the shit that I say

00:23:59 "if I wasn't five foot seven."

00:24:01 - Yeah, it helps.

00:24:02 It certainly helps.

00:24:03 It helps to be, yeah, like someone who you can't hit

00:24:07 because they're weaker than you.

00:24:08 Yeah, but Tony walks that fucking line.

00:24:11 Woo!

00:24:12 - Whitney was telling me before,

00:24:14 I did a little tour toward the back end of last year,

00:24:16 which was pretty interesting.

00:24:17 And I was saying, what should I expect?

00:24:19 She says, "Expect to get a bit more boring as it goes on."

00:24:22 It's like, what do you mean?

00:24:23 She said, "Well, in order for art to imitate life,

00:24:26 "you have to live a life.

00:24:28 "And the problem is if you're on the road,

00:24:30 "all you know are airports and hotels

00:24:33 "and dinners and shows, and that's it."

00:24:35 And she was saying that she was in a

00:24:37 Hollywood script writers meeting.

00:24:39 And they were saying, "It's a Saturday morning.

00:24:41 "Where is she?"

00:24:42 And someone shouted from the back, "She's at a baby shower."

00:24:44 Whitney was like, "Who goes to a baby shower?"

00:24:46 All right, she's doing a wine tasting.

00:24:48 She's like, "No one goes to a wine tasting."

00:24:51 And the room turned and apparently said,

00:24:52 "No, Whitney, you don't.

00:24:54 "Like other normal people do that."

00:24:56 So you've got this vicious trap of success.

00:24:59 It must happen with musicians as well.

00:25:02 How are you supposed to,

00:25:04 if you're some heartfelt singer talking about

00:25:07 your makeups and breakups of relationships,

00:25:09 and now you're dealing with the fear of me too.

00:25:12 That doesn't exactly give sort of beautiful romance

00:25:15 around what you're talking about.

00:25:16 The same thing goes for comedians,

00:25:17 same thing goes for anything.

00:25:19 The whole point of what you're trying to do

00:25:20 is be representation, be representative

00:25:22 for the normal person.

00:25:23 - Yes.

00:25:24 - And the more that your life becomes strange

00:25:27 and rarified and on the road,

00:25:29 the less of that you get to experience,

00:25:30 which is less inspiration for the art.

00:25:33 - Yeah, yeah.

00:25:34 It's a matter of like,

00:25:35 what are you doing when you're on the road?

00:25:37 Are you on the road just to make money?

00:25:39 'Cause then you just have to just treat it

00:25:40 as a very fortunate job.

00:25:42 And you definitely are not gonna get

00:25:44 the same kind of life experience.

00:25:47 You're not, you're just not.

00:25:49 You're gonna be traveling all the time

00:25:51 and you're gonna be staying in hotels,

00:25:52 you're gonna be doing gigs.

00:25:53 Most of your time you'll be thinking about

00:25:55 doing the material that you prepared

00:25:56 and getting your set together.

00:25:58 But you could still take stuff in if you choose to.

00:26:02 You can go to cities and check out museums.

00:26:05 You can go to cities and go on a tour of the town.

00:26:10 You just have to be proactive.

00:26:11 And you could watch documentaries.

00:26:14 I like to watch documentaries on the road.

00:26:15 I try to educate myself more on the road

00:26:17 than watching something just entertaining.

00:26:20 So like, I'm on the road,

00:26:21 I'm supposed to be doing standup, I'm awake.

00:26:24 Let me watch something on Nepal.

00:26:26 You know what I mean?

00:26:27 Let me get interested in something.

00:26:30 Like, let me get my mind stimulated

00:26:32 with something other than just performing and traveling.

00:26:36 But you have to choose to.

00:26:37 It's like you have to choose to go to the gym.

00:26:39 Like when I, everyone's like, how's the jet lag?

00:26:42 I go, you just gotta kill it.

00:26:43 It's just like a thing you have to do.

00:26:45 It's like jumping in the cold water.

00:26:47 Like it sucks, but if you do it, you'll feel better.

00:26:49 You gotta go right to the gym.

00:26:51 Like the moment you land, plane lands,

00:26:54 check into your hotel, gym, right away.

00:26:56 No ifs, ands, or buts, go to the fucking gym.

00:27:00 Or do a hotel workout.

00:27:01 You could do a great body weight workout.

00:27:04 You could do a yoga routine.

00:27:05 - Staying in hotels with gyms is the easiest hack for that.

00:27:09 - Oh, it's so nice.

00:27:09 If you go to a hotel and they have kettlebells,

00:27:12 like, oh my God, this is amazing.

00:27:13 - Game over. - Yeah, this is amazing.

00:27:15 And so you just get a nice workout in,

00:27:16 really fucking exert your body, get that sweat going,

00:27:19 get your heart rate up, and you'll settle in.

00:27:21 All that jet lag shit, it's nonsense.

00:27:23 It all goes away, even when you travel.

00:27:25 When I go to overseas, it's like,

00:27:26 just fucking work out one day really hard.

00:27:29 And then it seems like-- - Pretty much resets

00:27:31 everything. - Resets everything.

00:27:32 It's like a threshold.

00:27:34 You wanna like really sweat, like really get something,

00:27:37 like push it a little bit.

00:27:39 So you're like, all right, now we're back.

00:27:40 Just whoop. - Normality.

00:27:42 - Yeah, total normality.

00:27:43 And then also, you gotta make sure you're hydrated.

00:27:46 That plane travel's just a brutal thing in your body.

00:27:51 You're probably getting radioactive waves

00:27:53 at an unhealthy level.

00:27:54 Like those stewardesses, you know?

00:27:56 - I'd love to see a study looking at the,

00:27:58 what's happening to their telomeres,

00:27:59 what's happening to their DNA.

00:28:01 You know, of pilots and stewardesses and stuff.

00:28:04 - Is there anything like that?

00:28:05 - I have no idea.

00:28:06 I'd love to know it, though.

00:28:07 There must be.

00:28:08 Someone must have done a longevity study on that.

00:28:09 - You gotta think, when they first started doing that,

00:28:11 like for all of human history,

00:28:13 they didn't fly people in the air.

00:28:15 And then they first started doing that.

00:28:17 They had no idea.

00:28:19 What if it made 'em psychic?

00:28:21 What if like all that radiation,

00:28:23 what if it was like a comic book type deal?

00:28:24 Like instead of, you know,

00:28:27 instead of, you know, you get cancer,

00:28:29 you get some crazy new power.

00:28:32 In the comic books, everybody gets power.

00:28:34 Nobody gets power in the real world.

00:28:36 - They all come back down and they're green

00:28:37 or they're invisible.

00:28:38 - They see things.

00:28:39 - Yeah.

00:28:39 - They can see things.

00:28:40 - They can turn you gay.

00:28:41 - Oh, Jesus.

00:28:42 I think our government's trying that one.

00:28:45 (laughing)

00:28:46 They could do basically whatever they want.

00:28:48 They could see through walls.

00:28:52 We can come up with all kinds of superpowers

00:28:53 that they would get.

00:28:54 But the idea is like,

00:28:55 we really didn't know what radiation did for you.

00:28:58 You know, that's what those terrible injuries

00:29:02 that those women got that were using loom,

00:29:05 the radioactive loom.

00:29:06 What is that shit called again, Jamie?

00:29:08 - Radium.

00:29:08 - Radium, yeah. - The radium girls.

00:29:09 - To make the watch faces lighter.

00:29:12 - Oh, so horrible.

00:29:12 - And they were having babies as well.

00:29:14 They were pregnant and their kids had problems.

00:29:16 - They had holes in their faces.

00:29:17 Their faces rotted off.

00:29:19 It was horrible.

00:29:20 - I'm pretty sure, didn't Marie Curie

00:29:21 also have some problem like that as well?

00:29:23 Like everybody that did research

00:29:25 around radioactive substances, early 1900s,

00:29:28 just got fully, fully fucked.

00:29:30 - Have you seen the hands of the ladies

00:29:32 who used to test the x-ray machines?

00:29:34 - No.

00:29:35 - Oh, it's a horrible injury, man.

00:29:36 Because back in the day,

00:29:37 before they knew that x-rays were dangerous,

00:29:39 they had to make sure the x-ray machine worked

00:29:41 in the office.

00:29:42 So these ladies would put their hand in every day.

00:29:45 - Oh, before the patient came in?

00:29:46 - Every day.

00:29:47 - So they were getting a dose of,

00:29:48 one hand dose of-- - Every day.

00:29:49 - And presumably, oh, was it always the same hand?

00:29:52 - Look at the hand.

00:29:53 It's fucking gross, man.

00:29:55 It's just, their hands got cancer.

00:29:57 They just got hand cancer.

00:29:59 Their hands are all shriveled up and fucked up.

00:30:01 Yeah.

00:30:02 - Oh.

00:30:03 - That's an illustration of one,

00:30:04 but there's photographs of one.

00:30:05 That one up above the top row,

00:30:08 the middle and the top, that's the one.

00:30:10 Look at that, dude.

00:30:11 That's a lady who got too many x-rays.

00:30:14 Just cooked her hand.

00:30:15 - This hand's showing damage from radiation exposure

00:30:19 back in the 1900s.

00:30:20 - See, they didn't know.

00:30:21 That's what I'm saying.

00:30:22 Like, they really didn't know what was gonna happen.

00:30:24 - Oh, yeah.

00:30:26 - Yeah, they would test that motherfucker.

00:30:28 Look at that dude's hand, cooked.

00:30:29 Yeah, so he just test the hand.

00:30:32 - See ya.

00:30:34 - So this is the 1900s, Jamie?

00:30:36 Wow, 1865 to 1904 is when--

00:30:41 - Worked with Thomas Edison.

00:30:42 - This guy lived.

00:30:43 A glass blower.

00:30:44 Wow.

00:30:45 - That's a Duke Clarence.

00:30:46 - Oh, he would test x-ray tubes he made on his own hands

00:30:49 and died after developing aggressive cancer.

00:30:52 Aggressive cancer is a scary word.

00:30:53 - He had both of his arms amputated

00:30:54 in an unsuccessful attempt to save his life.

00:30:56 - Oh my God.

00:30:57 Shortly after his death,

00:30:58 Thomas Edison abandoned his research on x-rays.

00:31:02 Shortly after.

00:31:03 - Dude, I gotta teach you about this.

00:31:05 - The other guy's fucked too.

00:31:06 - There's two.

00:31:07 - Everyone's wrecked.

00:31:09 - Yeah, what happened to that guy?

00:31:10 Jesus Christ.

00:31:11 - He was saved by the beard.

00:31:13 I've got a new man crush that I need to teach you about.

00:31:16 - Uh-oh.

00:31:17 - And he died 60 years ago,

00:31:18 so it's okay, I'm sorry.

00:31:20 (laughing)

00:31:21 So, Jamie, I think this guy might have

00:31:23 the best top paragraph Wikipedia description in history.

00:31:28 Can you just Google the unkillable soldier

00:31:31 and you'll see a Wikipedia entry at the top.

00:31:33 - Is this a real human?

00:31:34 - Real human.

00:31:35 - When did he live?

00:31:36 - 1880 until about 1960 or so.

00:31:39 So he went through.

00:31:40 - Ooh, is he, he's Sisu, no?

00:31:43 - Sir Adrian Carton, Sir Adrian.

00:31:45 - No, in the beginning of the movie,

00:31:47 that's the legend.

00:31:48 - Yeah.

00:31:49 - Maybe it's not a real guy.

00:31:50 - Well, Sisu's a Scandinavian movie, isn't it?

00:31:52 - It's a British guy, he's a good British.

00:31:54 - Is it Swedish?

00:31:55 Who made Sisu?

00:31:57 Did you see Sisu?

00:31:58 - No.

00:31:59 - Bro.

00:31:59 - What is it?

00:32:00 - It's amazing.

00:32:01 - What is it?

00:32:02 - It's John Wick in World War II.

00:32:03 It's this one fucking badass soldier

00:32:06 that kills all the Nazis.

00:32:09 It's incredible.

00:32:10 It's one of the most satisfying revenge movies.

00:32:13 - Yeah, so go to his Wikipedia, Adrian Carton de Watt.

00:32:17 I think he might have the best, there it is.

00:32:22 Lieutenant General Sir Adrian Paul Gislaine Carton de Watt

00:32:29 was a British Army soldier, officer,

00:32:31 born of Belgian and Irish parents.

00:32:32 He was awarded the Victoria Cross,

00:32:34 the highest military decoration awarded for valor

00:32:36 in the face of the enemy in various Commonwealth countries.

00:32:39 He served in the Boer War, First World War,

00:32:40 and Second World War.

00:32:42 He was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle,

00:32:44 leg, hip, and ear, was blinded in his left eye,

00:32:47 survived two plane crashes,

00:32:48 tunneled out to a prisoner of war camp,

00:32:50 and tore off his own fingers

00:32:51 when a doctor declined to amputate them.

00:32:53 Describing his experiences in the First World War,

00:32:55 he wrote, "Frankly, I had enjoyed the war."

00:32:58 (laughing)

00:33:01 - There's dudes like that out there.

00:33:03 You just have to know there's guys like that out there.

00:33:05 - This guy's story, let me tell you about him, man.

00:33:07 So he gets born in 1882, aristocracy in Belgium,

00:33:12 and you'd think he's just gonna go through

00:33:14 the typical aristocratic route.

00:33:17 He goes to Balliol College in Oxford.

00:33:19 His father wants him to go and study law.

00:33:21 And you think, right, that's the end of the story there.

00:33:24 At 19, he decides that he wants to go and see war,

00:33:27 sneaks away without telling his father,

00:33:30 and literally offers himself to either the Boers

00:33:32 or the British, and the British take him.

00:33:34 - Holy shit.

00:33:35 - He was like, "I just want to be in war."

00:33:37 - Holy shit.

00:33:38 - His father doesn't know.

00:33:39 So he's away in war.

00:33:40 He gets shot in the leg and the groin,

00:33:42 gets shipped back home.

00:33:44 His father says, "You were supposed to be in university.

00:33:47 "You've now been shot.

00:33:48 "Okay, well, I'll bless this new military campaign

00:33:51 "you want to go on."

00:33:51 He says, "I want to be redeployed."

00:33:53 Gets redeployed again to South Africa.

00:33:55 He was at the head of the Camel Corps,

00:33:57 which was literally a group of people

00:34:00 who rode into battle on camelback.

00:34:03 So he gets shot.

00:34:04 He gets shot in the ear and then in the eye,

00:34:07 and then a bullet ricochets and hits him

00:34:09 in the same eye again.

00:34:11 He's leading these guys into battle.

00:34:14 He gets sent back home.

00:34:16 The British military say,

00:34:19 he wants to go out on the first world war.

00:34:21 He wants to go to the front lines

00:34:21 of the first world war now.

00:34:22 But they said, "We can't send a guy with one eye out there

00:34:25 "because it's going to look like

00:34:26 "we've got really weak soldiers."

00:34:27 So they give him a glass eye and say,

00:34:28 "The only way that you can go back out

00:34:29 "is if you wear this glass eye."

00:34:31 And he says, "Oh, okay."

00:34:32 In the taxi, leaving the hospital,

00:34:34 takes it out, throws it out of a window

00:34:36 and starts wearing an eye patch.

00:34:37 The first battle that he's in,

00:34:39 when he rejoins the army in world war one,

00:34:44 a piece of shrapnel explodes his hand

00:34:46 and all that's left are two fingers

00:34:48 hanging on by the skin of the palm of his hand.

00:34:50 And his watch actually embeds itself in his arm too.

00:34:54 So this is the first thing that he's encountered again,

00:34:57 goes to the field hospital.

00:34:59 The doctor declines to amputate the fingers.

00:35:01 So he just rips them off in front of him

00:35:04 because he's in so much pain.

00:35:05 The arm then has to be amputated.

00:35:08 So he says to the guys again, "I want to be redeployed."

00:35:10 They're like, "You are now a one-eyed amputee.

00:35:14 "I want to be deployed."

00:35:15 Battle of the Somme, his next battle that he goes into.

00:35:18 There's reports from other soldiers

00:35:20 seeing Carton Duarte running into battle,

00:35:23 pulling the pins out of grenades with his teeth,

00:35:26 throwing them at the enemy

00:35:27 and reloading a revolver with one hand.

00:35:30 So this guy is a single armed killer.

00:35:32 During that, he gets shot in the,

00:35:34 he gets shot through the back of the head.

00:35:37 Through the head, doesn't die.

00:35:40 In subsequent battles, oh, he got promoted for 24 hours

00:35:45 before he threatened to punch his superior

00:35:47 and then got demoted again.

00:35:48 So he's just like this totally wild dude.

00:35:51 Anyway, he goes through this series

00:35:54 of different difficult military exposés.

00:35:57 He takes over three squadrons

00:35:59 who don't have a commanding officer.

00:36:01 None of them have any communication.

00:36:03 So he, this one-armed, one-eyed guy,

00:36:05 decides to run back and forth

00:36:07 between the three different companies,

00:36:10 communicating his own orders.

00:36:12 Rather than using a messenger, he just does it himself.

00:36:14 That was what he got the Victoria Cross for,

00:36:16 which is our equivalent of the Medal of Honor.

00:36:18 During this time, he shot a bunch more.

00:36:20 You think, right, okay, this guy's just led

00:36:23 the most insane campaign through the Boer War

00:36:27 and the First World War.

00:36:28 Time for him to retire.

00:36:29 Wrong. 60 years old, in 1940,

00:36:33 he gets conscripted and drawn back up

00:36:36 to help run secret missions.

00:36:38 So his first mission, one of his first missions,

00:36:40 he gets shot down in a fjord going toward Romania.

00:36:44 There's a German plane that shot his plane down,

00:36:47 circling overhead.

00:36:48 Rather than get into the dinghy,

00:36:50 because it would be an easy target,

00:36:52 this one-armed, one-eyed guy,

00:36:54 and all the rest of the crew just bob under the water

00:36:57 until this German fighter plane runs out of ammunition.

00:37:00 That goes away. He finally gets picked up.

00:37:02 Second time he goes in a plane, this plane crash lands,

00:37:07 and he swims to shore,

00:37:09 carrying a injured comrade who survives,

00:37:14 one arm, but swims carrying this other dude,

00:37:17 gets captured by the Italians.

00:37:19 He's then part of five escape attempts

00:37:22 and digs a 60-meter tunnel with one arm

00:37:25 and a bunch of other dudes.

00:37:26 Then he spends a full week hiding out in northern Italy,

00:37:30 despite the fact that he's 62 years old,

00:37:33 one-armed, one-eyed, can't speak Italian,

00:37:35 and has covered in scars.

00:37:38 Then he finally, finally gets picked up and released.

00:37:41 They said that the only thing that the Italians

00:37:43 had left to do was to use him to enable an armistice.

00:37:46 They wanted to no longer be a part of the war.

00:37:48 They use Carton Duarte to be an envoy

00:37:52 between the two nations.

00:37:54 And they said, "Well, you've been a prisoner of war.

00:37:56 For nine months, you don't look or smell

00:37:59 the way that you should do.

00:38:00 Why don't we give you a nice Italian tailor?"

00:38:02 And he rejected their offer to give him an Italian suit

00:38:07 and said he would only wear one

00:38:08 if they got it from Savile Row,

00:38:09 because, quote, "He didn't want to look like a gigolo."

00:38:12 (laughter)

00:38:15 - This guy's a human badger.

00:38:20 - He's 31 medals, shot nearly as many times,

00:38:24 got used, he insulted Mao,

00:38:26 he insulted Chairman Mao in China

00:38:28 when he got used by Winston Churchill.

00:38:30 There's photos of him stood behind Churchill,

00:38:32 eye patch, just a fucking sleeve,

00:38:36 and he's my new, look at him, look at him.

00:38:40 - Wow.

00:38:44 - One of the coolest people from history

00:38:46 that no one knows about.

00:38:47 - What an animal.

00:38:47 What an animal.

00:38:50 Jesus.

00:38:53 (laughter)

00:38:55 - Why hasn't anybody done a movie on that guy's life?

00:38:57 - I don't know.

00:38:58 There's another, that doesn't even really

00:39:01 have a particularly good book.

00:39:02 He wrote a memoir called Happy Odyssey,

00:39:04 which is like, it's written by him

00:39:06 as opposed to, you know, a bit more exciting.

00:39:09 Alistair Urquhart, this guy called The Forgotten Highlander.

00:39:12 This is probably one of my favorite books.

00:39:14 I taught Ryan Holiday about this

00:39:15 and it fucking blew his mind.

00:39:17 So this dude was 18 years old

00:39:19 and got conscripted in World War II.

00:39:22 He was Scottish, Scottish regiment,

00:39:23 gets sent to, I think Singapore.

00:39:26 Then Japan joined the war.

00:39:27 The Japanese just invade fucking everywhere,

00:39:30 take everything that they can, including him.

00:39:33 So this guy is made to forced march for weeks

00:39:37 with nothing, a loincloth, bloody feet,

00:39:39 being cut up by the surroundings.

00:39:41 He has every tropical disease under the sun

00:39:44 for five years straight, dysentery and malaria,

00:39:48 everything that you can get,

00:39:49 probably yellow fever and full works.

00:39:50 He's part of the forced labor group

00:39:52 that's made to build the bridge over the River Kwai,

00:39:55 famous movie.

00:39:55 One of the prison guards tries to sexually assault him.

00:40:00 So he kicks him in the nuts and runs away and hides,

00:40:02 but there's not much, like, what are you gonna do?

00:40:04 What are you gonna run to?

00:40:04 You can't survive without the meager amounts of rice

00:40:07 that they're giving you.

00:40:08 So they find him and lock him in an open tin box

00:40:11 to bake in the sun for three days, doesn't die.

00:40:15 Like, right, okay, well, this guy's sufficiently resilient.

00:40:17 We can probably use him.

00:40:18 If he's this resilient to survive this,

00:40:20 he'd probably be a good worker,

00:40:20 so let's keep him and we'll do the rest of it.

00:40:23 So they then pull him out.

00:40:24 They need to transport all of these prisoners.

00:40:27 So they put them on what they called a hell ship.

00:40:30 And these hell ships were just huge tin boxes

00:40:32 with no Swiss cross on the side,

00:40:34 which is what you should have to say

00:40:35 that you're transporting prisoners of war

00:40:37 so that it's not a military vehicle.

00:40:39 And they would just toss tiny morsels of food

00:40:41 down to 100 men that were in the hold of their ship.

00:40:45 And it was baking hot in the midday sun

00:40:48 as they're traveling over the water.

00:40:49 And these guys, still doesn't die.

00:40:51 They're stood in their own feces.

00:40:52 People are dying left and right, starting to decompose.

00:40:56 So because they didn't put the Swiss cross on the side,

00:40:59 a US military, I think it was a boat or a submarine,

00:41:03 sent a torpedo at them.

00:41:05 So his boat that he's on explodes.

00:41:08 He then catches a piece of flotsam or jetsam or detritus,

00:41:13 like a little bucket that he can sit in

00:41:15 so that he can float around.

00:41:16 Basically has a fight with another Japanese guy

00:41:19 who's also doing the same thing,

00:41:20 finally washes up on shore.

00:41:22 He's free briefly, but he's in Japanese territory.

00:41:27 I can't remember what country he washes up on,

00:41:28 maybe Singapore again.

00:41:30 He then gets recaptured, put back to work again,

00:41:33 and gets knocked off his feet

00:41:34 by the bomb blast from Nagasaki.

00:41:37 He gets hit by the bomb blast and knocked off his feet by it.

00:41:40 - Holy shit.

00:41:40 - 50 years, this guy doesn't talk about it at all.

00:41:47 Doesn't say a peep for 50 years

00:41:48 by orders of the British government,

00:41:50 and then finally writes this memoir

00:41:52 as a call to arms to bring the Japanese

00:41:54 to account for the atrocities.

00:41:55 We had the Nuremberg trials and stuff for the Germans,

00:41:58 but there wasn't that similar kind of reckoning

00:42:00 for the Japanese, and he thought this is unforgivable

00:42:03 because of what he went through.

00:42:04 For the rest of his life,

00:42:05 he could only eat tiny, tiny amounts of rice.

00:42:08 His stomach, his whole digestive system

00:42:10 was ruined by starvation,

00:42:11 just extended starvation for this five-year period

00:42:15 and very, very tiny morsels of food.

00:42:18 So his stomach had adapted to that,

00:42:19 and that was this guy, and he died in the early 2000s,

00:42:22 and then wrote this book, "The Forgotten Highlander."

00:42:24 - Wow.

00:42:25 I gotta get that.

00:42:27 - It's so fucking good, man.

00:42:29 - That's on the list now.

00:42:30 Wow.

00:42:31 Yeah, I read "The Rape of Nam King"

00:42:35 years ago.

00:42:39 It's about Japan during the war,

00:42:42 what they did in China.

00:42:45 Just the atrocities they did with people's children,

00:42:49 their babies in front of them,

00:42:50 like the way they just tortured people.

00:42:54 What people can justify doing in times of war

00:42:58 is absolutely terrifying, and when you read about it,

00:43:01 and you read about it from a time

00:43:03 that's less than 100 years ago, it's so shocking.

00:43:06 It's so shocking, 'cause when you think of the Japanese,

00:43:10 when I think of Japanese, I think polite culture,

00:43:12 warrior society, a long history of martial arts,

00:43:16 amazing engineering, incredible automobiles.

00:43:19 I think of all these positive things.

00:43:21 I don't think of what happened during World War II.

00:43:26 It's really terrifying.

00:43:29 There was a documentary about it, too,

00:43:31 that I remember I had to buy online from VHS tape.

00:43:34 It was very hard to get.

00:43:35 It was some sort of a educational documentary,

00:43:39 like something that they would show at a university.

00:43:41 It's like, oh, God.

00:43:43 It's horrible. - About the rape of Nanking?

00:43:44 - Yeah, it's just horrible.

00:43:46 Just to know that people are capable

00:43:48 of doing that to other people,

00:43:50 to children and women and just anybody,

00:43:55 anybody that's not them,

00:43:57 and you can get away with it because this is war.

00:43:59 - There's been an awful lot of very atrocious things

00:44:03 that have been justified by,

00:44:05 those people are different to us.

00:44:07 Let's do something to them.

00:44:08 Any reason, whether those people vote Republican

00:44:12 or those people don't believe in masks

00:44:14 or those people, they have a different belief.

00:44:18 Those people don't believe in our one God.

00:44:21 Those people, they're of the unclean faith.

00:44:25 There's so many different ways

00:44:27 people can look at someone as an other,

00:44:30 and it's just, it's insane what we're capable of

00:44:34 when we do that.

00:44:35 'Cause you can, people openly justify

00:44:37 horrible things to people online.

00:44:39 I see it all the time from Twitter.

00:44:42 Justify horrible things to people

00:44:45 because the people don't believe what they believe.

00:44:48 You know, attribute the most nasty

00:44:50 fucking descriptions of people

00:44:53 just because they don't believe what they believe.

00:44:54 It's like the least charitable view

00:44:57 is highlighted the most.

00:44:59 Just so.

00:45:00 You know, it's this thing that we have,

00:45:04 this ability to other people.

00:45:06 It's one of the worst aspects of human beings.

00:45:09 - I think it, I think more people are bound together

00:45:14 over the mutual hatred of an out group

00:45:15 than the mutual love of an in group.

00:45:17 - Yep, sure.

00:45:19 - I think there's this really great

00:45:21 psychological study that was done

00:45:22 where they bring a big group of people

00:45:25 into a lab and they toss a coin.

00:45:26 And if it's heads, you're blue team,

00:45:28 and if it's tails, you're red team.

00:45:30 So toss a coin, and it's a roundabout and even split,

00:45:33 maybe 50/50 people.

00:45:35 And they go over to the blue team and they say,

00:45:37 "So what do you think about the red team?"

00:45:39 And they're like, "Well, I mean,

00:45:39 "they're not as smart as us, are they?

00:45:41 "They're a bit like fucking stupid.

00:45:43 "You seen them over there?

00:45:44 "Like, I mean, we're definitely the better team."

00:45:47 You actually just saw the selection criteria.

00:45:52 Selection criteria was heads or tails, 50/50,

00:45:56 completely arbitrary.

00:45:57 Immediately, as soon as you give people the opportunity

00:46:00 to find some tribal bias to lock onto,

00:46:03 they go. - Yeah, they go.

00:46:05 Yeah, well, people are cowards too, that's part of it.

00:46:07 There's a lot of strength in being a part

00:46:09 of an aggressive group that believes one thing.

00:46:11 That's why you see a lot of people

00:46:13 that have been bullied their whole lives

00:46:15 become the biggest bully.

00:46:17 If they're on some side of something

00:46:22 that they think is moving progress,

00:46:24 moving social progress in a certain direction,

00:46:27 they'll get super hyper aggressive.

00:46:29 It's like, this is their chance.

00:46:33 - This is what I think most people don't understand

00:46:35 about evil.

00:46:36 The number of evil people in the world

00:46:41 is probably quite low.

00:46:42 What you have is people doing evil things

00:46:47 for what they think are good ends.

00:46:48 Almost all of the atrocities that we've seen

00:46:51 throughout human history are people trying to,

00:46:55 doing something they feel is righteous.

00:46:57 Because that's what would motivate them.

00:47:00 It's very unadaptive for us to do something

00:47:02 that we know is wrong.

00:47:04 The best way to get someone to be a part

00:47:07 and go along with an atrocious act

00:47:11 is to make them think that it's in service of good.

00:47:14 - Definitely, yeah.

00:47:16 Which is why we enjoy movies like John Wick and Sisu.

00:47:19 - Retribution.

00:47:21 - Yeah, these people deserve it.

00:47:22 Show them the trailer for Sisu.

00:47:25 It's amazing.

00:47:26 - How old is this movie?

00:47:28 - It's not that old.

00:47:29 Two years?

00:47:30 - It was made during the pandemic,

00:47:31 came out 2022.

00:47:34 There's maybe like three words said in the whole movie.

00:47:36 - It officially came out this 2028.

00:47:37 - There's all of those stats about the number of people

00:47:39 that Keanu Reeves kills.

00:47:41 Sorry, I can't, I'll ask after this.

00:47:43 (laughing)

00:47:48 Oh, that's so good.

00:47:50 - It's so good.

00:47:53 - He throws a mine and hits a dude in the head with it.

00:47:56 - It's so good.

00:47:57 - He's a John Wick-pilled gun-maxing killer.

00:48:01 - Look, I'm a giant John Wick fan,

00:48:02 but it's John Wick times two.

00:48:04 'Cause it's Nazis.

00:48:07 He's not just killing like dumb Russian hitmen.

00:48:10 He's killing Nazis.

00:48:11 They tried to steal his gold.

00:48:13 - It was made after the "Unkillable Soldier."

00:48:14 It said it was modeled after Rambo, basically.

00:48:18 From "First Blood."

00:48:22 - Rambo from "First Blood" was a good one.

00:48:22 - And a real life military sniper named Simo Haye.

00:48:26 - Oh yeah, I heard about that dude.

00:48:28 It's funny when you think about a movie like "Rambo."

00:48:31 Like "Rambo," it's a film that's,

00:48:34 it's another time capsule.

00:48:36 It's indicative of a kind of a corny time.

00:48:39 People were kind of corny.

00:48:40 - A bit cheesy.

00:48:41 - Movies are just like, they're hard to,

00:48:44 things are so much more identified,

00:48:47 like patterns of behavior.

00:48:49 People are so much more sophisticated socially,

00:48:51 I think, about stuff.

00:48:52 It's very difficult to get a "Rambo" type movie made today.

00:48:55 Some of those, like the "First Blood" ones,

00:48:58 there was just some Chuck Norris movies.

00:49:01 They're fun to watch,

00:49:02 but they're so indicative of the time.

00:49:06 What's this one?

00:49:08 - This is the trailer.

00:49:09 - Oh, the trailer.

00:49:09 - It's just a lot of talking.

00:49:12 I thought it'd be more action.

00:49:13 - That's okay, Warren, don't worry about the soap.

00:49:17 He's tough.

00:49:18 Just save him.

00:49:19 - Drac, don't move.

00:49:20 I don't want you to catch your own throat.

00:49:22 - John Rambo.

00:49:24 (laughing)

00:49:25 - Oh, dude, I miss this guy.

00:49:27 - One man.

00:49:29 One man they pushed too far.

00:49:31 - We've talked about him a few times

00:49:35 'cause the gray man,

00:49:36 but they'd recently just said,

00:49:37 Sly said that Ryan Gosling could be the only guy

00:49:40 who would like, vouch for Rambo.

00:49:42 - Oh, to carry on the torch?

00:49:44 - Yeah, he might be too pretty to do it though.

00:49:45 - Look at this shit, Adam,

00:49:46 he's gonna jump in the water.

00:49:48 - This is basically the full movie.

00:49:51 - Just fight back.

00:49:52 - It's a long trailer.

00:49:58 - Everyone's TikTok brain wouldn't allow

00:49:59 a trailer this long anymore.

00:50:01 - What explosions?

00:50:09 - Fucking brilliant, dude.

00:50:12 - But it's a sign of the times.

00:50:13 It's like that,

00:50:16 did we find out who the little girl was in that movie?

00:50:18 - I found the movie, it's called,

00:50:20 I don't know if I have to pull it back up.

00:50:22 Frontier Gal is what the movie was called.

00:50:25 - Frontier Gal.

00:50:27 - And it wasn't Shirley Temple, Beverly Simmons.

00:50:31 - So that was a time capsule.

00:50:35 And Rambo's a time capsule too.

00:50:37 It's a time capsule to like a time

00:50:38 where the art form was just different.

00:50:40 That was her.

00:50:41 - Can I just check?

00:50:42 I don't seem to recall the complex plot of John Wick.

00:50:46 Is he still killing people because of his dog?

00:50:48 - Well, see, they dragged him back in.

00:50:51 See, here's what happened.

00:50:53 He killed everybody because of his dog

00:50:56 and then he was ready to retire.

00:50:57 - How far did that go?

00:50:59 First one, second one?

00:51:00 - Second one.

00:51:01 - Okay, so two full episodes of killing.

00:51:03 - Yes, well, he had to get his car back in the second one.

00:51:06 - So first one was dog, second one was car.

00:51:08 - Yeah, the second one he shows up,

00:51:10 he kills everybody at the warehouse

00:51:11 that's storing all the stolen cars.

00:51:14 And then he toasts,

00:51:15 make a toast with the Russian mob boss to peace.

00:51:17 And it's like, can a man like you really know peace?

00:51:22 He's like, why not?

00:51:23 He's like, okay, cheers.

00:51:24 So the guy freaks out that John Wick doesn't kill him.

00:51:26 John Wick leaves, goes back to regular John Wick.

00:51:29 He doesn't have the slick back hair anymore.

00:51:31 He's not wearing the suit anymore.

00:51:32 Just like a regular guy.

00:51:34 And he's got his car, it's all fucked up.

00:51:36 And they fix his car.

00:51:39 And then a dude that he owed a marker to comes to visit him

00:51:42 and says, I want you to kill my sister.

00:51:44 And he has to do it because he had this marker

00:51:46 with his bloods in it.

00:51:47 And so then he's back in the business.

00:51:50 - That's the second one.

00:51:51 - Yeah, and then he kills that guy, spoiler alert.

00:51:53 And then the whole world's after him.

00:51:55 That's John Wick three.

00:51:57 - And then there's a fourth one.

00:51:57 - And then there's a fourth one,

00:51:58 which is basically a superhero.

00:52:00 And the fourth one, they're over the top crazy.

00:52:02 I enjoyed the fourth one,

00:52:05 but it's a very different thing than the first one.

00:52:07 The first one, you could kind of believe

00:52:10 that all that could really happen.

00:52:12 By the fourth one, they had a band and all that shit.

00:52:14 Like they have bulletproof jackets

00:52:16 and it's just like, they're running into bullets.

00:52:18 And it's cartoonish, but it's fun.

00:52:21 - The most crazy movie across into real world thing

00:52:25 that I've learned about

00:52:26 is this modified RX-9 Hellfire missile.

00:52:29 You seen this?

00:52:30 - No.

00:52:31 - This thing is insane.

00:52:33 Do the honors, Jamie, let's look at this.

00:52:34 - Is it one of the hypersonic missiles

00:52:36 that changes direction?

00:52:37 - This is more precise.

00:52:40 So what they realized was that collateral damage

00:52:43 is a big deal in war zones,

00:52:45 because if you kill people that aren't just the target,

00:52:48 you galvanize that group against your,

00:52:52 yeah, there it is.

00:52:53 America's secret ninja bomb

00:52:57 packed with blades that shred militants alive.

00:53:00 - Oh my God.

00:53:01 - So there's no explosive in the front of it.

00:53:04 It gets deployed using an existing platform,

00:53:06 but rather than having an explosive payload,

00:53:09 these razor sharp, six razor sharp swords

00:53:13 come out the side of it

00:53:14 and just turn human flesh into smoothies.

00:53:19 - Whew.

00:53:19 - Look at what it does to a car.

00:53:22 - Oh my God.

00:53:23 - But how precise this thing is.

00:53:25 It's so precise, you had the flying Jinsu.

00:53:28 I think it's colloquially called the Jihadi blender.

00:53:31 - Oh my God.

00:53:32 They just shoot it into cars.

00:53:34 - So it's so precise that you need to know

00:53:36 which seat of the car the-

00:53:39 - The bad guys in.

00:53:41 - Bad dudes in, yeah.

00:53:42 Because if it was a long enough vehicle,

00:53:44 front right seat and back left seat,

00:53:46 back left seat will be scared, but it'll be fine.

00:53:48 So there was this dude,

00:53:50 supposedly one of the masterminds behind 9/11,

00:53:53 they'd done surveillance on this guy

00:53:54 and every morning he'd come out

00:53:55 and drink his coffee on his balcony.

00:53:58 Same balcony, come out and he'd drink his coffee

00:54:00 and look out.

00:54:01 So they just timed two of those things.

00:54:04 Comes out,

00:54:05 and that's it, there's no explosion,

00:54:09 there's no nothing,

00:54:09 and this guy just gets turned into dust.

00:54:12 (exhales)

00:54:15 - They shot two of the man over?

00:54:16 - Two, just in case the first one missed, I think.

00:54:18 - Oh my God.

00:54:19 - Laser guided, set it off.

00:54:21 And here's the other thing,

00:54:22 because it only propels for the first two seconds

00:54:25 and then after that it's just using fins.

00:54:26 So it works out the trajectory.

00:54:28 So there's not even the sound of engine coming toward you.

00:54:31 It's just silence and then blades and death.

00:54:35 - Oh, it's a flying rage hypodermic.

00:54:40 Do you know what a rage hypodermic is?

00:54:42 - A rage hypodermic is a wild mechanical broadhead

00:54:46 that they invented for bow hunting.

00:54:48 So instead of a bow hunting broadhead being a fixed blade,

00:54:53 like a solid piece of metal

00:54:55 that's screwed into the end of your arrow,

00:54:56 instead it's a mechanical broadhead

00:54:59 that upon impacting tissue opens up into this huge opening.

00:55:04 They make giant holes, they call them rage holes,

00:55:08 and they kill animals quick.

00:55:10 And it's kind of controversial in that

00:55:13 if your blade hits a branch on the way in

00:55:16 or like a stalk of hay or something like that,

00:55:20 it could trigger it.

00:55:21 And then it would fuck up the trajectory of the arrow

00:55:24 and it might lead to a bad shot.

00:55:27 So there's that.

00:55:29 And then it could get deployed accidentally in your quiver

00:55:34 and you might not know it when you're drawing and shooting,

00:55:37 it could be open and it could open up in flight.

00:55:39 But if it stays closed and it does impact,

00:55:42 it makes a giant hole.

00:55:44 - Cam took me to the bow rack.

00:55:47 - Ah, you did a lift run shoot.

00:55:49 - I did, he fucked me up, he made me go up the hill.

00:55:50 (laughing)

00:55:51 - That was brutal.

00:55:52 - He made me carry that rock.

00:55:53 - How long did you, what is it, like two miles?

00:55:55 - I don't know, I think it's maybe about a mile up

00:55:57 and a mile down, but it's pretty steep.

00:55:59 And I mean, there's a 72 pound rock.

00:56:01 - You gotta carry the rock down.

00:56:02 - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:03 I think, did we carry it down?

00:56:05 I can't remember.

00:56:06 Wait, I think you're supposed to.

00:56:06 But he made me do the trail,

00:56:08 but he taught me to shoot.

00:56:10 And I was looking at, with gruesome glee,

00:56:13 looking at all of the different types of arrows

00:56:16 in the bow rack, looking at all of these different heads

00:56:18 and all of the different attachments.

00:56:20 It advertises exit wound three inch diameter,

00:56:24 exit wound five inch diameter.

00:56:26 - Cam shoots this thing called a carnivore.

00:56:29 And the carnivore is a broadhead that's got four blades.

00:56:33 It opens up a canal in these animals.

00:56:36 - Yeah, it's like for bow hunting though,

00:56:40 it's extremely effective.

00:56:42 If you can get it into the vitals,

00:56:43 it's like, that's a lethal shot every time.

00:56:47 Such a big hole.

00:56:48 - I wonder how many,

00:56:50 is it more humane to kill something more easily?

00:56:56 - Yes. - Is my question.

00:56:57 - Yeah, it's more humane to use a rifle

00:56:59 in a lot of circumstances.

00:57:01 Look at that.

00:57:04 - That's literally just the non rocket propelled version

00:57:07 of what we just saw.

00:57:08 - Yeah, it's like a carnivore.

00:57:10 Go back to that carnivore thing so I can see what it is.

00:57:15 So that's a really big one.

00:57:18 So the controversy in bow hunting is always like,

00:57:20 fixed blades are more durable,

00:57:22 but mechanical blades have more cutting surface.

00:57:27 - What is that?

00:57:28 - What is that?

00:57:29 Jesus.

00:57:31 - Turn stuff into pizza slices.

00:57:32 - Colorful Eagle, that's what it's called.

00:57:35 Jesus Christ.

00:57:36 - Oh my God.

00:57:37 - Yeah, that seems like it wouldn't fly good.

00:57:40 See, the problem is they have to fly good too.

00:57:43 And the more metal surface area you have,

00:57:45 the more you have a chance of what's called planing.

00:57:47 So as the crosswinds hit your arrows,

00:57:50 your blade can drift because the wind hits the broadhead.

00:57:56 So if you have a wide cut, solid,

00:57:58 like fixed blade broadhead,

00:58:01 that's another sort of thing that can catch wind.

00:58:04 Yeah, people tune them.

00:58:06 Like, so if you have like a single bevel broadhead,

00:58:10 so there's a single bevel broadhead,

00:58:12 which is a broadhead, which is a fixed blade broadhead

00:58:14 that is only have the edge sharpened on one side.

00:58:17 And that encourages rotation.

00:58:19 And that rotation has to align

00:58:21 with the helical of your veins.

00:58:22 You don't want them to be fighting with each other.

00:58:24 So if you have a left helical on your veins of your arrow,

00:58:28 you also want a left helical on this broadhead.

00:58:32 And so these are tuned in tightly together.

00:58:35 And so you have, it takes,

00:58:37 it's a very painstaking process.

00:58:38 You have to make sure you're doing it right.

00:58:40 You're gonna move your rest a little bit.

00:58:41 But once you get it dialed in,

00:58:43 you can shoot accurate out to like 60, 70 yards with it.

00:58:46 You know that it's called broadhead tuned.

00:58:49 So with field points, you don't really have to do that

00:58:51 'cause the fletchings, they steer it enough.

00:58:53 And you just have to be kind of on target.

00:58:55 You have to be closer.

00:58:56 But with broadheads, you have to be like

00:58:57 really, really locked in.

00:58:58 So that's the negative of the broadhead.

00:59:01 - They made me shoot through the paper

00:59:03 to see where are you pulling accidentally.

00:59:05 And then they adjust and tune.

00:59:07 Dude, I loved it.

00:59:08 I love seeing anyone that loves anything that much.

00:59:13 That degree of passion to me is,

00:59:15 so me and my housemate, Zach,

00:59:16 watch these videos of motocross,

00:59:18 you know, the Colin McRae,

00:59:21 oh, is that rallycross, sorry.

00:59:23 And these dudes will go out to

00:59:26 butt fuck nowhere Scotland in November.

00:59:28 And it's pissing down with rain and they're in ponchos

00:59:31 and they do it to see.

00:59:34 And then they turn to each other and go.

00:59:38 And they just lose their shit.

00:59:40 And it's so, dude, it makes the hairs on my arm stand up.

00:59:43 Jamie, see if we can find some of these videos.

00:59:45 It's the most pure, loving audience of a thing.

00:59:51 And just finding anyone,

00:59:52 the same as Wayne Endicott at the Bow Rack,

00:59:56 just the way that they play with the bow

00:59:59 and they know that if they add a tiny little bit of flame

01:00:03 from a lighter to the sight,

01:00:05 that it'll sort of cinch it in a different way

01:00:07 and it heats the sinew of the thread

01:00:10 and it tightens that.

01:00:11 Seeing anyone that loves anything that much

01:00:15 is just, there's something very gentle

01:00:18 and honest and peaceful and beautiful about that.

01:00:21 - It is.

01:00:22 - Fies me up.

01:00:23 - I couldn't agree more.

01:00:24 I love watching people make things and put things together.

01:00:27 And I love watching people work on cars,

01:00:30 do mechanical things.

01:00:32 I'd love that shit.

01:00:33 But the Bow Rack,

01:00:34 one of the things that's interesting about archery

01:00:37 is that even if you're just interested in target archery,

01:00:40 any kind of archery that you're interested in,

01:00:42 unless you are shooting a traditional bow

01:00:46 where there's no sights on it

01:00:47 and you're just kind of like doing it by feel

01:00:49 and you learn how to aim depending upon

01:00:51 where you're, how much your arrow weighs.

01:00:53 You can get pretty accurate with those things,

01:00:54 but not nearly as accurate as you can with a compound bow.

01:00:57 And with a compound bow, it has to be fitted to your frame.

01:01:01 You have to go to a place like the Bow Rack.

01:01:03 And if you're lucky and you have a place like that,

01:01:06 that's great 'cause like they're really good at it.

01:01:08 But you might not be lucky.

01:01:09 So you might have to travel hours to go to some place.

01:01:12 - People were.

01:01:13 When we were there, I think it was maybe a Saturday morning

01:01:15 and we've driven six hours to come to this place.

01:01:20 - And you have to go to a good place too.

01:01:21 'Cause the first place I went to,

01:01:22 that my draw length, they had an inch longer

01:01:24 than it should have been.

01:01:25 The peep site was weird.

01:01:27 I had to like cock my head weird to look at the peep site.

01:01:30 And then I went to a good place and they fixed it right.

01:01:32 And then I went, oh.

01:01:33 - This is an extension of my body now.

01:01:35 - It becomes, if you practice it enough,

01:01:38 it never really becomes an extension of your body,

01:01:41 but you do get so comfortable in that activity

01:01:45 that it becomes a normal thing to you.

01:01:48 So then that activity is all just about the fine details

01:01:53 of breathing and thinking and shot execution in your head.

01:01:58 And the goal is always, at least the way I do it,

01:02:01 is always to make a surprise shot.

01:02:04 I never want to get it to go off.

01:02:06 I wanna be in full draw.

01:02:09 I wanna have my pin on the target.

01:02:11 And I wanna just be concentrated on that arrow,

01:02:13 hitting the mark.

01:02:14 And then I just go to this shot execution thing

01:02:16 and it goes off.

01:02:17 And when it goes off, the ultimate goal

01:02:19 is just watch that arrow go exactly

01:02:22 where you wanted it to go.

01:02:24 And when I do that at like 74 yards,

01:02:26 it is the most satisfying feeling in the world.

01:02:29 Just targets, just shooting at a foam target.

01:02:33 It's so satisfying.

01:02:34 And it requires so much concentration

01:02:37 in that act of doing that, the world goes away.

01:02:41 And that's the key to it.

01:02:42 That's the key to anything that I really enjoy doing

01:02:45 that's very difficult.

01:02:46 I think you need little vacations from the world.

01:02:51 And if you have an hour and a half to shoot a bow,

01:02:55 it can provide you with a vacation from the world.

01:02:58 You are literally only thing, it's so difficult to do

01:03:01 and it's so involving and it's so rewarding

01:03:04 when you get it right,

01:03:06 that you're completely locked into this one activity

01:03:09 and the world goes away.

01:03:10 - I love it, man.

01:03:13 I love the solitude and the peace that you get

01:03:17 doing something that you know well

01:03:19 and that you can get better at.

01:03:20 And I often think about like three types of Chris,

01:03:24 dopamine Chris, serotonin Chris and cortisol Chris.

01:03:28 And my goal is to spend as much time

01:03:29 in serotonin Chris as possible.

01:03:32 But dopamine Chris plays on modern wisdom

01:03:35 and growing the channel and money and new stuff

01:03:39 and traveling to new places and novelty.

01:03:41 And cortisol Chris is dealing with the operations

01:03:44 and its executive function.

01:03:45 It's answering emails and it's dealing with challenges.

01:03:47 And cortisol is kind of exciting too,

01:03:50 but serotonin Chris is walking with your friends in nature

01:03:54 and calling your mom and catching up and having dinner,

01:03:58 going to a comedy show, watching live music.

01:04:00 And I found that when I'm not feeling balanced in myself

01:04:05 is when I'm spending too much time and things aren't bad.

01:04:08 Things are going well.

01:04:09 They could be even going excellently,

01:04:12 but I'm still in dopamine Chris a lot.

01:04:15 And he's gangster rap and a V8 engine.

01:04:19 And I wanna be magic mushrooms in a hammock.

01:04:22 - But wait a minute, pause please.

01:04:25 'Cause you just bought a Camaro.

01:04:27 - I did.

01:04:27 - You son of a bitch.

01:04:28 You bought an SS too, right?

01:04:30 - Two SS, 6.2 liter V8.

01:04:33 - Yeah.

01:04:33 - Oh yeah.

01:04:34 - You embrace American culture.

01:04:36 - I just need to get some beers.

01:04:37 - Did you get a manual transmission?

01:04:39 - No, I've spent.

01:04:41 So in the UK, almost everybody learns to drive manual.

01:04:45 So there's two types of license in the UK,

01:04:47 manual license and an automatic license.

01:04:49 If you learn in an automatic, don't get to drive a manual.

01:04:52 You have to take the test as a manual.

01:04:54 - Oh my goodness, that's a smart move.

01:04:56 - Yep.

01:04:57 - Well, that's one case where England's got us.

01:04:59 - Fuck yeah.

01:05:00 - You guys went on that one.

01:05:01 - Hell yeah, we got it.

01:05:03 - I think, you know, it's a dying thing obviously,

01:05:06 'cause it's not as smart.

01:05:10 Why do I have to use my left foot?

01:05:11 - Dude, your entire, in the UK,

01:05:15 my whole, the left side of my body,

01:05:17 left arm and left leg, just go chill out,

01:05:20 go on holiday for the next hour while I do this journey.

01:05:23 I can use right arm only and right leg.

01:05:25 But yeah, I remember hearing,

01:05:28 I think it was Tim Kennedy talking about,

01:05:30 if you're a guy who is cared about preparedness

01:05:33 and you don't know how to drive a manual car,

01:05:35 that's not preparedness.

01:05:37 Imagine that you're halfway up a mountain

01:05:39 and only one car works or you need to get somebody down

01:05:41 or there's been a car wreck or something

01:05:43 and it's a manual car.

01:05:44 Are you gonna work it out on the fly?

01:05:46 - Yeah.

01:05:47 - How many people know how to drive manual cars in America?

01:05:52 - Let's guess.

01:05:53 I would say 10%.

01:05:57 I'll guess 10%.

01:05:58 What do you think?

01:05:59 What do you think it is?

01:06:00 - I have no idea for America.

01:06:02 Maybe, I would have guessed like 50,

01:06:04 I would have hoped 50%,

01:06:05 but I don't know how many people are exposed to them.

01:06:07 In the UK, I would say 90%.

01:06:09 90% of driving license holders

01:06:13 will be able to drive a manual car, at least.

01:06:15 - That's interesting.

01:06:16 Yeah, I saw a lot of them in Italy.

01:06:17 Everybody had a manual, everywhere.

01:06:20 That's all they had.

01:06:20 - They don't give a fuck about their cars either.

01:06:22 They're just crashing, like little dinks.

01:06:24 You know, it's so precious, especially in the UK.

01:06:25 I don't know how it is in the US so much.

01:06:27 So precious.

01:06:29 Like the little scratch,

01:06:29 oh, you better get that painted up.

01:06:31 In Spain or France or Greece or something.

01:06:34 That's just, that's a bit of a, what's it called?

01:06:37 Patina.

01:06:38 There's a bit of patina on it.

01:06:38 It gives it character.

01:06:39 - Well, some cars, they look at it that like here,

01:06:42 like if you have a Jeep or something like that,

01:06:43 you get it all scuffed up, that's fine.

01:06:46 But yeah.

01:06:47 Yeah, it's a good thing to know how to do.

01:06:51 It's also, the real problem is,

01:06:54 if there's some sort of an electronic blast,

01:06:56 if something happens, like a solar flare

01:07:00 that takes out the grid, and the only,

01:07:04 'cause if electronics get fried,

01:07:06 and this is a real possibility,

01:07:07 I know you're like, what are you saying?

01:07:09 First of all, you have to understand,

01:07:10 entire planets get fried by supernovas.

01:07:13 It's not just electronics.

01:07:15 You know, things happen in intergalactic space

01:07:18 that would end everything for us.

01:07:21 And it 100% could happen.

01:07:23 That's a real thing.

01:07:25 But solar flares taking out power grids,

01:07:29 that's a fucking real possibility.

01:07:31 Taking out satellites, that's a real possibility.

01:07:33 And one of the things about most modern cars

01:07:36 is most modern cars are essentially run by a computer.

01:07:39 So if all the computers get fried, guess what?

01:07:43 Your car doesn't work.

01:07:45 If that's, I mean, if we're running

01:07:46 into some sort of situation, some horrible event,

01:07:49 where all the computers get fried,

01:07:50 that means your fucking car doesn't work.

01:07:52 - You also can't move anywhere.

01:07:53 - Unless you have an old car.

01:07:55 Now, if you have an old car that works on carburetors,

01:07:57 you know, those are cars,

01:07:58 like if you have an actual real 1969 Camaro.

01:08:02 Not like the ones, I have ones that have new stuff in 'em.

01:08:06 So all the new stuff is computers.

01:08:07 They'll be useless.

01:08:09 All the ECU that powers all the ignition

01:08:11 and the electronic fuel injection,

01:08:14 that shit's out the window.

01:08:15 - Your car's now controlled by China.

01:08:17 - No, it's not controlled by anybody.

01:08:18 It's a lump.

01:08:19 It's a lump.

01:08:20 And it's unless I could figure out

01:08:21 how to put a carburetor on it, and I can't, I'm fucked.

01:08:24 You know, and you'd have to like gut the whole system.

01:08:27 All the electronics are wired into it.

01:08:29 The speedometer's wired into it.

01:08:31 - I was hearing that my neighbor has a Tesla,

01:08:35 and I think he gets his insurance through Tesla,

01:08:37 but they can see the diagnostics of how he drives the car.

01:08:40 So his insurance is way more expensive

01:08:43 because it knows how late he brakes,

01:08:44 how fast he accelerates, how close to other cars he is.

01:08:47 You wanna talk about encroachments on freedom?

01:08:50 - I didn't know they did that.

01:08:53 - There's a algorithm that's used in China

01:08:57 that when someone is applying for medical insurance,

01:09:00 it uses the website to track the number of typos

01:09:03 and the movement of the mouse.

01:09:05 And they've mapped that with an algorithm

01:09:06 to predict pre-Parkinsonian, pre-alzheimer, dementia,

01:09:10 all of these things.

01:09:11 So basically, if you're filling in your medical insurance

01:09:15 in China and you fuck up a little bit,

01:09:16 your premium goes up.

01:09:17 - Wow.

01:09:19 - Wow.

01:09:20 That's coming.

01:09:22 All that stuff's coming.

01:09:23 And a lot of dummies, they're gonna sign up for it

01:09:26 because they'll attach it to something

01:09:28 you think is important like climate change.

01:09:30 And that's how they're gonna get ya.

01:09:32 - One third of Gen Z, fucking Greta Thunberg again.

01:09:37 One third of Gen Z kids say that they would accept

01:09:42 the installation of surveillance cameras inside the home

01:09:47 to detect wrongdoing.

01:09:49 One third, 30%.

01:09:52 - I wonder if they really believe that

01:09:54 or if they say that because they know it's not happening

01:09:56 and they just wanna say that they're a good person.

01:09:58 - It's a lot.

01:09:59 Yeah, maybe.

01:09:59 - You're also a dumb young person

01:10:02 that doesn't understand what you're giving up.

01:10:03 - Well, I think another potential reason for it might be

01:10:07 you're part of a generation that has traded your--

01:10:10 - Privacy.

01:10:11 - Precisely.

01:10:12 From the moment that you were born.

01:10:13 - You know what they do?

01:10:14 Snapchat.

01:10:15 They give each other their locations.

01:10:17 - Yes, yes.

01:10:20 The snap map, I think.

01:10:21 - Yeah, so all the kids know exactly

01:10:22 where all the other kids are.

01:10:24 So if you're dating some gal and--

01:10:26 - See her with that other person

01:10:28 that's on your friends list.

01:10:29 - And you see you're not where you said you were gonna be.

01:10:32 So what do people do now?

01:10:36 They just, where are you?

01:10:38 I see where you are.

01:10:39 That's kinda weird.

01:10:40 - You read the terms and conditions of TikTok a while ago.

01:10:43 I can't remember whether you saw

01:10:45 TikTok has written into its user agreement

01:10:49 that it can use the front-facing camera

01:10:51 to detect micro expressions

01:10:53 and use that to inform the algorithm.

01:10:55 - Fuck, yo.

01:10:57 (laughing)

01:10:58 Yo, so if you see something and go, yo.

01:11:01 Like see some crazy Instagram video.

01:11:02 - There it is.

01:11:03 - They're like, oh, gotcha.

01:11:04 - Whatever it is that they know,

01:11:05 yo, there's pleasure, there's disgust,

01:11:06 there's anger, there's envy.

01:11:07 - And I bet it's cross-platform.

01:11:08 I bet if they have that app,

01:11:11 they have that ability and you have it open,

01:11:14 I bet they use it no matter what you're doing.

01:11:15 I bet if you're flipping over

01:11:17 and now all of a sudden you're on Instagram

01:11:18 or now all of a sudden you're on Facebook or Twitter,

01:11:20 I bet they still can see all your,

01:11:23 I bet they see exactly what you're seeing.

01:11:25 - Well, think about with the Apple Vision Pro

01:11:27 that Jamie's gonna have to debate

01:11:29 about whether or not he takes it back

01:11:31 over the next 12 hours.

01:11:33 How much eye tracking?

01:11:35 - Yeah.

01:11:36 - What is that able to tell from what you're doing?

01:11:37 What about the latency between your fingers and your eyes?

01:11:39 Is that able to predict early onset dementia

01:11:43 or some neurological decline?

01:11:44 - Yeah, yeah.

01:11:46 Or could that be used against you

01:11:47 if they decide that like,

01:11:49 what do we get Chris on?

01:11:51 I don't like Chris being the CEO of this company anymore.

01:11:54 Let's decide that he's in decline.

01:11:56 - Oh, and let's use that.

01:11:57 - And also don't start gaslighting him.

01:11:58 Like, you okay, Chris?

01:12:00 - You seem a little--

01:12:01 - Like you just seem off lately.

01:12:02 - Dude, did you--

01:12:03 - Just hot gaslighting.

01:12:05 - Did you see the outcome

01:12:06 from this special counsel report on Biden?

01:12:09 - No, I did not.

01:12:11 Okay, let me pee because this is a big one

01:12:14 and I'm holding in a pee.

01:12:16 So--

01:12:16 - Yeah, let's pee together.

01:12:17 - Okay, let's do that.

01:12:18 We'll be right back, folks.

01:12:20 - Fun as well.

01:12:21 - I like, yeah, I'm watching a movie.

01:12:23 - 17 hours, it's miserable enough as it is.

01:12:25 I don't need to make it any worse.

01:12:26 But yeah, hydration.

01:12:27 Hydration on planes, people don't think about.

01:12:29 - No. - It's so important.

01:12:30 - Or radiation.

01:12:31 Do we find out about that?

01:12:32 - Do people die on planes?

01:12:34 - Has there ever been a study on the radiation

01:12:36 that pilots and flight attendants receive?

01:12:38 - I'm just digging into it.

01:12:39 There was not a lot of studies available.

01:12:41 One study I found was from 1992

01:12:43 and it just said that pilots die sooner after they retire

01:12:46 and it wasn't showing, not radiation.

01:12:48 - Yeah, but isn't that applicable

01:12:49 to most men that quit their jobs?

01:12:51 - Right, it could have been something.

01:12:52 A lot of things could have gone--

01:12:53 - People fucking die when they don't have

01:12:55 meaning and purpose, too.

01:12:56 That's a real factor.

01:12:57 - People that retire die significantly sooner.

01:13:00 - Yeah. - Way sooner.

01:13:02 It's one of the reasons I think everybody,

01:13:04 when they retire, should be issued a dog.

01:13:06 - Aw. - Wouldn't that be cool?

01:13:08 - Like a little Carl.

01:13:09 How's Carl doing over there?

01:13:10 Is he sleeping?

01:13:11 Carl's the cutest little thing ever.

01:13:15 - He's amazing.

01:13:16 - Yeah, that would help, but I think what also would help

01:13:19 is have things you enjoy doing.

01:13:21 You can still enjoy your life without having a job

01:13:25 and if you've got enough money where you can retire

01:13:28 and you feel like you could pull that off,

01:13:30 you should do stuff.

01:13:32 Don't just fuck-- - Pursuits.

01:13:33 - Yeah, but some people don't know what the fuck to do

01:13:35 when they're not working and work was their everything.

01:13:38 It was their entire existence.

01:13:39 It was their social status.

01:13:40 It was how they made a living.

01:13:42 It was their social community.

01:13:45 It was all their friends, really,

01:13:46 'cause you're with your workmates

01:13:49 more than you're with your partner,

01:13:51 your wife, your husband.

01:13:53 What's the number you're awake at home?

01:13:57 You get home at six o'clock.

01:13:59 You're only gonna be awake till 10 if you have to work,

01:14:02 if you're doing a nine to five.

01:14:03 If you're a crazy person, you're up at 11, 11.30

01:14:06 and you don't mind being a little tired in the office.

01:14:08 But if you're trying to be on the ball,

01:14:10 you're gonna go to bed as early as you can.

01:14:12 You gotta get up at fucking 6.30.

01:14:14 You gotta commute.

01:14:15 How much time are you together?

01:14:17 - I've been thinking about this idea

01:14:18 of hidden and observable metrics for life.

01:14:22 So a observable metric would be something

01:14:24 like the amount of money that you earn per year.

01:14:27 It would be the value of the car that you drive

01:14:29 or the engine size of the car that you drive

01:14:31 or the value of your house.

01:14:33 A hidden metric would be something like the quality

01:14:36 of your relationship with your partner,

01:14:38 the amount of time that you get to spend

01:14:41 without tasks to do,

01:14:43 the length of your commute, things like that.

01:14:48 And it's my belief that a lot of people trade

01:14:51 observable metrics for hidden metrics all the time.

01:14:54 So someone will be offered,

01:14:56 "Hey, Joe, we want to give you a raise.

01:14:58 You've been doing really well at work,

01:14:59 but this is gonna come with more responsibility.

01:15:02 We're gonna need you in the office earlier.

01:15:04 And you're gonna be in charge of this floor of 10 people.

01:15:08 Okay, how much more money have you got?"

01:15:09 Well, I've got $15,000 added onto the observable metric.

01:15:14 But what's the hidden metric cost

01:15:16 that you're paying for that?

01:15:16 Well, peace of mind and time with your partner.

01:15:20 Or you take another job somewhere else

01:15:23 and your commute is now 45 minutes longer

01:15:26 in both directions.

01:15:27 It's 90 minutes a day that you're not spending

01:15:29 with your kids or with your wife or with whatever.

01:15:32 And because money is the ultimate game,

01:15:35 it's the best game.

01:15:36 It's literally global, it's universal.

01:15:38 It can be exchanged between different currencies.

01:15:40 I know your game can be compared to my game,

01:15:43 can be compared to anybody else's.

01:15:45 But I don't get to see the dashboard

01:15:48 that tracks the quality of your sleep

01:15:50 or the peace of your mind,

01:15:51 or the relationship that you have with your kids

01:15:53 or your wife, or the amount of time

01:15:55 that you just get to yourself.

01:15:58 And I think people should be very cautious

01:16:00 of trading observable metrics for hidden metrics.

01:16:03 And one of the ways that you can try and fix this

01:16:05 is to bring the hidden into the observable.

01:16:07 So using a tracker of some kind, maybe to track your sleep.

01:16:11 That would be a good start.

01:16:12 Or if you were to note down in a journal

01:16:16 how you feel each day.

01:16:17 Oh, well, maybe I feel a little bit better today

01:16:19 because I did some, that's just fine.

01:16:22 - Put this to work.

01:16:23 - I'm just breaking this.

01:16:24 - Put that thing down, no worries.

01:16:27 - Yeah, no, I think just overall general happiness

01:16:31 gets thrown out the window

01:16:32 in terms of the metrics of the numbers.

01:16:35 The numbers and the observable things

01:16:37 that make you superior, the car, the watch, the stuff.

01:16:41 But yeah, I always tell people,

01:16:45 one of the things about a house,

01:16:46 I've said this many times, unfortunately.

01:16:49 But when I first got my first really nice apartment,

01:16:52 when I first moved to California,

01:16:54 I realized pretty early on after a while,

01:16:57 I was like, oh, this is just my house.

01:16:59 This is just where I live.

01:17:00 It feels just like the place that I had in New York

01:17:02 that was a shithole.

01:17:03 You know what I mean?

01:17:04 It's just where you live.

01:17:05 - Because you adapt to it so quickly.

01:17:06 - Yeah, it's just where, this is home.

01:17:08 All you need is a safe, comfortable place,

01:17:12 a place where you can cook and eat your meals

01:17:16 and a television or a computer.

01:17:18 And it's basically the same experience.

01:17:19 - You've seen those memes of guys just need this to survive.

01:17:24 - It's like a lawn chair, a PS5, big TV,

01:17:28 and a mattress on the floor.

01:17:30 It's like guy apartments or something.

01:17:32 - Oh yeah, if you're living with all dudes,

01:17:35 there's a chance that you're both.

01:17:36 - Or just you on your own, that's it.

01:17:38 - Yeah, for sure.

01:17:39 - Tell you who I was talking to,

01:17:40 I was talking to Dan Bilzerian about this.

01:17:43 He's kind of on an interesting arc.

01:17:44 'Cause he sort of stepped back a little bit

01:17:46 from public life, from doing the stuff

01:17:48 that he was doing before.

01:17:50 And I was asking him basically whether he thought

01:17:53 he'd overshot dopamine Dan.

01:17:55 And he said he was considering shaving his head,

01:17:59 shaving his beard and going working

01:18:00 in an Amazon warehouse for six months

01:18:02 to try and do a hedonic reset to see.

01:18:05 The problem is, it was kind of like when Tim Kennedy

01:18:08 did the waterboarding thing.

01:18:10 There's a difference between electing to do something

01:18:12 and being forced to do something.

01:18:13 And the fact that you know at any moment

01:18:16 you've just got the eject a seat button

01:18:17 or that it's going to be over in six months

01:18:19 or that it's gonna be whatever.

01:18:20 I wonder if that changes.

01:18:21 But yeah, he basically said, you know,

01:18:23 this rapid use and abuse of all of the things

01:18:27 that you can, the partying, the cars, the girls,

01:18:29 the jets, the holidays, travel, the drugs.

01:18:32 Where do you go from there?

01:18:36 It seems like having things isn't fun.

01:18:43 Getting things is fun.

01:18:44 - Not knowing if you're going to get things

01:18:47 and then getting them is fun.

01:18:48 - That's the middle of dopamine.

01:18:50 So once you have things and you know you can get things,

01:18:54 getting them doesn't become that exciting anymore.

01:18:57 Then- - How do you mean?

01:18:58 - 'Cause if you could just get whatever you want,

01:19:01 you don't get that excited about it.

01:19:03 Like if you, like, okay, when I got my first nice car,

01:19:07 I got a, I think it was a '95 Toyota Supra Turbo.

01:19:12 And it was awesome.

01:19:15 I couldn't believe it.

01:19:16 It's like, this is like a real nice new car.

01:19:19 And like the car I wanted, a Supra Turbo, it was this shit.

01:19:22 I couldn't believe I had it.

01:19:25 When I'd drive it around, I'd be like,

01:19:26 oh my God, I can't believe this is mine.

01:19:27 I'd park it, I couldn't believe it was mine.

01:19:29 But after a while, you get another car

01:19:33 and then you get another car.

01:19:34 And then getting a car is just like, this is a great car.

01:19:37 But you can just do it when you want to.

01:19:40 So you can get to a point where I call it guerrilla Buddhism.

01:19:45 So when people say that material things possess you,

01:19:50 they possess you if you're really connected to them

01:19:55 and they are your only measure of worth.

01:19:58 But the only way to know that material goods aren't really,

01:20:03 you're not a slave to them, is get 'em.

01:20:05 Get 'em, have 'em, and then go, okay.

01:20:08 This is not that important.

01:20:10 This is bullshit.

01:20:11 This is bullshit.

01:20:12 You don't feel better in a $10 million house

01:20:15 than you do in a $5 million house

01:20:16 than you do in a $1 million house.

01:20:18 You don't feel better.

01:20:19 You feel like you're in your house.

01:20:20 As long as it's not shit, as long as it's like rats or bugs.

01:20:23 You want cleanliness and safety.

01:20:25 You want normal stuff that people like.

01:20:26 You wanna be able to chill on the couch.

01:20:28 Couches aren't that much money.

01:20:31 Most of the stuff is bullshit.

01:20:32 - Yeah, my friend James says all wins feel the same.

01:20:36 And as you start to go up and up and up,

01:20:38 the first time that you hit 1,000 subscribers

01:20:40 on your YouTube channel

01:20:41 or the first time that you buy a Toyota Supra

01:20:44 is the same or maybe even kind of less

01:20:47 than when you get a Rolls Royce Cullinan

01:20:49 or you get a gold plaque from YouTube

01:20:50 or you get whatever.

01:20:52 All of these wins feel the same.

01:20:54 I got this other idea that I love

01:20:55 about how people sacrifice the thing that they want

01:21:00 for the thing which is supposed to get it.

01:21:02 So a lot of the time, we will sacrifice happiness

01:21:06 in order to be able to achieve success

01:21:08 so that when we finally have enough success,

01:21:10 we can allow ourselves to be happy.

01:21:13 So you sacrifice the thing that you want,

01:21:14 which is happiness,

01:21:16 for the thing which is supposed to get it,

01:21:18 which is success.

01:21:19 And it's a super common pattern amongst high performers.

01:21:23 They grow up and maybe their parents

01:21:26 have high standards for them.

01:21:28 And they say that,

01:21:29 the subtext is that love is contingent

01:21:31 on what I can bring to the world.

01:21:34 And growing up, this person internalizes the lesson,

01:21:38 it is very important for me to overperform

01:21:41 and they're driven by this desire to do more

01:21:43 and to prove people wrong

01:21:44 and a chip on their shoulder and all of this.

01:21:47 The problem is, I think that on average,

01:21:50 high performers are more miserable than the average person.

01:21:52 I think that more people are driven by fear and anxiety

01:21:57 and a lack, a desire for validation

01:22:01 and to prove themselves to the world

01:22:03 and a desire for acceptance

01:22:04 than some perfectly balanced, optimal, loving,

01:22:09 I just want to make life the best that I can.

01:22:11 That's not to say that there aren't people like that,

01:22:13 but I think on balance,

01:22:14 most people are driven by that fear of insufficiency

01:22:17 and they're hoping that the next thing

01:22:20 is going to be the answer.

01:22:22 But another friend, Alex says,

01:22:24 "You've already achieved goals

01:22:26 "you said would make you happy."

01:22:28 You've already achieved goals

01:22:33 you said would make you happy.

01:22:35 How can you presume that your happiness sits

01:22:40 on the next side of the next set of goals

01:22:43 given that right now you are on the other side

01:22:46 of your last set of goals?

01:22:48 - So is the key to learn happiness while you're succeeding?

01:22:52 - It has to be, it has to be.

01:22:55 There is--

01:22:56 - You just have to rewire your value system

01:23:02 and the word gratitude gets abused, it really does.

01:23:06 It gets tossed into that word

01:23:09 that just like it makes things sound stupid.

01:23:11 But gratitude is very important

01:23:14 and if you can actually appreciate where you are

01:23:18 and what you're doing,

01:23:19 even if you're not doing what you want to be doing,

01:23:21 you're gonna look back on these days

01:23:23 if you're successful in life

01:23:24 and you're gonna look back on the days

01:23:25 when you're kind of struggling like,

01:23:26 wow, I was finding my place in the world then.

01:23:30 Those are exciting times.

01:23:31 If you could be excited while also motivated,

01:23:35 it'll help your life immeasurably

01:23:37 and I don't think it's gonna steal

01:23:38 from your drive and ambition.

01:23:40 I don't buy that.

01:23:41 - I don't buy that either.

01:23:42 I used to think that.

01:23:43 - Yeah, I don't buy it.

01:23:44 I don't buy it.

01:23:45 I know some pretty happy driven people.

01:23:48 - Yeah. - They exist.

01:23:49 - There's a fear that some people have

01:23:51 that haven't really thought about it

01:23:52 that if I allow myself to be too happy or grateful

01:23:55 for the things that I've done,

01:23:57 what if it kills my itch?

01:23:58 Dude, you are powered by a nuclear furnace of ambition.

01:24:03 You think that giving yourself a little bit of gratitude

01:24:09 or acceptance or love or serotonin

01:24:11 for the things that you've done is gonna nuke that?

01:24:14 No way.

01:24:15 It's not gonna nerf any of it.

01:24:17 - It might if that's your only drive,

01:24:19 if your only drive is to achieve financial success,

01:24:21 but hopefully what you're doing

01:24:24 is rewarding in a way on its own.

01:24:27 One of the beautiful things about standup

01:24:28 is people do standup for free all the time.

01:24:31 Big name comedians,

01:24:32 Dave Chappelle does free standup all the time.

01:24:34 Just show up at a club and do a guest set.

01:24:36 Just pop in.

01:24:37 He's not on the list.

01:24:39 He's not supposed to be there.

01:24:40 Just does it for free.

01:24:41 What other, how many people's jobs

01:24:43 they just show up and just do 'em for free?

01:24:45 If you can find something like that,

01:24:48 then all the success and all this stuff,

01:24:50 that's all wonderful,

01:24:51 but you enjoy doing it so much.

01:24:53 It's such a fun activity that you're doing.

01:24:56 It's not just a making money vehicle.

01:24:58 It's an enjoyable activity.

01:25:00 It's so enjoyable,

01:25:01 you'll go out of your way to do it for free.

01:25:04 - Yeah, Robert Sapolsky, who you've had on the show,

01:25:06 he says, "Dopamine is not about the pursuit of happiness.

01:25:11 "It's about the happiness of pursuit."

01:25:13 That it's as you move toward things.

01:25:16 - Yeah.

01:25:17 - One step at a time.

01:25:19 - It's not the destination, it's the journey.

01:25:21 - It's so fucking trite.

01:25:23 You're so right with what you say about gratitude.

01:25:25 - It's how they get ya.

01:25:26 - We need to rebrand.

01:25:27 There needs to be, it's not you, it's me.

01:25:29 How many people want Netflix and chill?

01:25:32 These things get captured by cliches,

01:25:34 and you're like, "No, fuck, damn it.

01:25:36 "I mean it my way, not that way."

01:25:38 But yeah, that idea of it's far easier

01:25:42 to achieve your material desires than to get rid of them,

01:25:45 than to renounce them.

01:25:46 It's way easier to drive a beat-up Chevy truck

01:25:48 if your last car was a Ferrari,

01:25:50 because you've closed that little loop.

01:25:54 - Mark Manson talks about, he has this great question,

01:25:57 "What pain do you want in life?"

01:25:59 He says that it's a much more accurate way

01:26:02 of asking the question, "What looks like work

01:26:05 "to everybody else but feels like play to you?"

01:26:08 Right, that's like a common thing.

01:26:09 What can you do that is play to everyone else's work?

01:26:12 That's a competitive advantage.

01:26:14 That might be comedy for you, for Chappelle, et cetera.

01:26:16 I would happily do this for free.

01:26:19 There are other people out there

01:26:20 who would need to be paid an awful lot of money

01:26:22 to go through the drama of getting up on stage.

01:26:26 Mark's contention is that any pursuit,

01:26:28 even the most existentially aligned,

01:26:31 will regularly feel like work.

01:26:33 So what you need to look at is what are the pains

01:26:36 that you can deal with better than everybody else?

01:26:39 Like if there is pain associated, I'm sure,

01:26:42 it's not just pure joy as you stare at a Google Doc

01:26:45 or a note in your phone, and you're like,

01:26:48 "How am I gonna get this bit out?

01:26:49 "Like how do I actually, I can't,

01:26:51 "I need to make this joke about cigarettes or something,

01:26:54 "and I just can't get it to work."

01:26:56 You're grappling with something.

01:26:57 There is a kind of pain.

01:26:59 It's not pure pleasure every single moment.

01:27:01 And I think assuming that your pursuits

01:27:03 are always going to be perfect, just blissed out, man,

01:27:06 and there should be no challenges,

01:27:08 like no, that's not the way that it's gonna work,

01:27:09 even if it's your calling in life.

01:27:11 So a better way is what pains can you deal with

01:27:14 better than everyone else?

01:27:16 - Yeah, and how much do you discipline yourself?

01:27:20 How much do you really put a rigid schedule

01:27:23 towards achieving goals and understanding

01:27:27 that there's gonna be these uncomfortable things,

01:27:29 these things, like the creative process,

01:27:31 it's uncomfortable, so how do people avoid it?

01:27:33 That's what Steven Pressfield's book is all about,

01:27:35 The War of Art.

01:27:36 - I love that guy.

01:27:37 - It's a great, great, great book, such a good book.

01:27:38 It's such a good book for creatives.

01:27:40 I tell everybody, I still have a stack of them out there.

01:27:42 - He's got a fresh stack.

01:27:43 - We've got a fresh stack.

01:27:44 He sends it, 'cause I gave them out to so many listeners,

01:27:47 'cause there's so many creative types

01:27:48 that don't understand that there's this fucking weird thing

01:27:51 that's going on in your head called resistance,

01:27:53 and it keeps you from doing the work that you wanna do

01:27:55 that's almost always satisfying when it's done.

01:27:58 And when you're done, you're like, "God, I did it."

01:27:59 But part of you is gonna go, "Let's not do that.

01:28:03 "Let's check out YouTube.

01:28:05 "Let's look at this.

01:28:07 "Let's look at the news.

01:28:08 "Let's go on the news, man.

01:28:09 "Maybe some weird shit's happening

01:28:11 "I need to pay attention to."

01:28:12 And then next thing you know, it's an hour and a half later,

01:28:13 and you could've been writing the whole time.

01:28:15 And every time I do, just sit down and write,

01:28:17 I'm always happier.

01:28:19 But there's always this little bit of a resistance.

01:28:22 So it's kinda the same feeling that I get

01:28:24 before a workout or before a cold plunge or before anything.

01:28:27 It's just this feeling of knowing

01:28:29 that there's some shit you gotta do.

01:28:31 - There was this story that I learned about Victor Hugo.

01:28:35 So-- - The jiu-jitsu guy?

01:28:36 - No, this is a writer.

01:28:38 - Oh, okay. - I wanted to say.

01:28:39 - Victor Hugo is a-- - Fuck that guy.

01:28:41 - Victor Hugo's a world champion jiu-jitsu guy.

01:28:43 - He might also be a writer from the 1800s.

01:28:45 He might be both of those things.

01:28:46 - He could be. - He's a time-traveling man.

01:28:48 So he was a writer, and he paid his servant

01:28:52 to come in every night during the middle of the night

01:28:55 while he was asleep and pull the bedsheets off of him,

01:28:58 off his bed, leave six pieces of paper in his bedroom

01:29:03 and a pen or a quill, and lock him in.

01:29:06 And until Victor had slid all six pieces of paper

01:29:10 written on underneath the door,

01:29:12 his servant wouldn't let him out.

01:29:14 - Wow.

01:29:15 - That's the level that people get to.

01:29:17 But think about when you're really struggling

01:29:19 with the creative process, the ridiculousness

01:29:23 of the things that will look attractive to you.

01:29:25 It's like, I haven't sorted the cigar cupboard

01:29:30 alphabetically in quite a while.

01:29:32 - Do-do.

01:29:33 - I think that, I really think that the cigar cupboard

01:29:36 could do with, that's interesting,

01:29:38 that brick that's been outside.

01:29:40 I really should find a place for that brick.

01:29:41 And the bird feeder needs refilling.

01:29:45 Like you just find these bizarre things

01:29:47 because your body is just doing everything it can.

01:29:49 But this is a Huberman's thing, right?

01:29:51 What's it called?

01:29:52 The mid-singular cortex, MSC.

01:29:54 It's that thing, apparently Goggins has got

01:29:55 like the biggest one in the world.

01:29:57 It's just the thing that allows you

01:30:00 to overcome doing hard stuff.

01:30:01 - Right, that actually grows.

01:30:03 Yeah, it actually grows upon exertion.

01:30:06 Doing things you don't wanna do.

01:30:08 Yeah, I think it's real.

01:30:09 I think I've always recognized that that's a thing.

01:30:13 'Cause when I take time off of working out,

01:30:16 it's really hard to go back to it.

01:30:17 But if you do it all the time,

01:30:18 it just becomes a normal part of your life.

01:30:20 - Dude, routine is such a vicious cycle up and down.

01:30:24 - Yeah.

01:30:25 I think the whole body's that way.

01:30:27 I really do.

01:30:28 I think like basically the way you can strengthen

01:30:30 your muscles and you can strengthen

01:30:33 your cardiovascular system,

01:30:34 I think your mind works the exact same way.

01:30:36 I really 100% believe that.

01:30:39 And I think also the neglected conjunction of the two

01:30:43 is significant.

01:30:44 It's very important.

01:30:45 So many intellectuals just don't think about their bodies.

01:30:47 And it's so unfortunate.

01:30:49 You're just wracked with inflammation

01:30:51 and just weak joints and weak muscles

01:30:55 and just can't open up a jar of mayonnaise.

01:30:58 It's like you don't wanna live like that, man.

01:31:00 You don't have to.

01:31:01 It's like the idea that the two are mutually exclusive

01:31:03 is stupid.

01:31:04 That's a stupid idea.

01:31:06 The idea that you shouldn't take care of your body

01:31:07 and that you should really concentrate on your mind.

01:31:09 That's just dumb.

01:31:10 It's a dumb thing to do.

01:31:12 You're not gonna be doing complex math 24 hours a day.

01:31:17 You can take the time to do some fucking pushups.

01:31:20 - How many people do you think have it the other way around?

01:31:24 - Oh, 100%, yeah.

01:31:26 Well, also because it's in today's day and age,

01:31:31 there's doing it for the gram, right?

01:31:33 So there's like people that are really jacked

01:31:35 that want everybody to see their muscles.

01:31:37 And so you're doing it all day long.

01:31:41 You're lifting weights.

01:31:42 You're involved in recovery and all sorts.

01:31:45 If you've got the time to do that.

01:31:47 It's most, if you have a job too, well, what the fuck?

01:31:50 How do you have the time?

01:31:51 But if you don't have a job,

01:31:52 if you're like a fitness influencer, you know?

01:31:55 - That is your job.

01:31:56 - You're fucking busy, man.

01:31:58 You wanna be jacked online all the time.

01:32:01 Like, yeah, you're probably not reading a lot of books.

01:32:03 Probably not.

01:32:04 - Not meditating all that much.

01:32:05 - Maybe you are.

01:32:06 I mean, maybe that's part of your vibe.

01:32:08 Maybe you're giving off that holistic vibe.

01:32:11 That's what you're trying to push, you know?

01:32:13 You're falling into that line.

01:32:15 You know, you're bowing to people and shit.

01:32:16 Saying that last day.

01:32:18 - You gotta be careful with that though.

01:32:19 There's a, I tried to come up with a name

01:32:23 for a trend I saw in myself,

01:32:25 which was productivity purgatory.

01:32:28 Which is even the things that I was supposed

01:32:30 to be doing for leisure, I was justifying

01:32:33 because they somehow contributed to my output for work.

01:32:37 Or, you know, I wasn't taking a walk in nature

01:32:39 because I wanted to enjoy it.

01:32:40 It's because I once watched an Andrew Kubeman episode

01:32:42 that said 15 minutes of sunlight in the eyes

01:32:44 improves your productivity throughout the day

01:32:46 by whatever, whatever.

01:32:47 It was like, if you're not careful,

01:32:49 everything that you do is infused with this desire,

01:32:55 this need, this compulsion to be productive.

01:32:57 - Yeah.

01:32:58 - And I think that that's dangerous.

01:32:59 - It is dangerous.

01:33:00 It's just not good to be a human being with that.

01:33:03 But if you wanna be the best at something,

01:33:05 - You've gotta be obsessive.

01:33:05 - It's really the best strategy.

01:33:07 If you really wanna compete against other top dogs,

01:33:11 you're gonna have to do more, or be better,

01:33:14 be smarter, figure something out

01:33:16 that they're not figuring out.

01:33:17 - Well, it's really a game of who's prepared

01:33:19 to sacrifice most, right?

01:33:20 - It's also who's prepared to learn the most, right?

01:33:22 Who's good at recognizing what actually happened

01:33:26 versus what you've been comforting yourself with.

01:33:29 - What do you mean?

01:33:30 - If there's a bad result,

01:33:32 whether it's a bad result of business

01:33:34 or a bad result of your personal life,

01:33:36 there's always this desire that people have

01:33:40 to find a reason why it wasn't their fault,

01:33:43 'cause it's uncomfortable.

01:33:44 But if you can recognize,

01:33:46 oh, this product tanked because of me.

01:33:49 This is a stupid idea, and I need to course correct,

01:33:54 and I need to realize what I did wrong.

01:33:56 Instead of blaming the suppliers,

01:33:58 or blaming the manufacturers,

01:34:00 or blaming the other people in the design team,

01:34:03 or blaming this, whatever the fuck you're making,

01:34:05 or whether it's an album you just put out

01:34:06 that just everybody hates it.

01:34:09 What did I do wrong?

01:34:10 Don't bullshit.

01:34:11 What do I need to do different?

01:34:13 And for a lot of people, that is an uncomfortable moment

01:34:16 that they don't want to experience.

01:34:18 And so if you're a high performer,

01:34:21 the more you could recognize what you've actually done wrong

01:34:25 and course correct, and not just be,

01:34:27 if you're like a CEO of a company,

01:34:29 you've got so many people kissing your ass,

01:34:31 it's like your ego's gotta be inflated,

01:34:33 it's gonna be so hard to see the forest for the trees,

01:34:36 just like being a movie star on a set.

01:34:38 Everybody loves you, here's your bagel.

01:34:40 Mr. Williamson, can I get you anything?

01:34:42 You get a delusional perspective.

01:34:45 So it's like amongst those people,

01:34:48 how many of them can keep their humanity?

01:34:50 How many of them can actually just be a human?

01:34:52 And then your metrics, how many of them are happy?

01:34:55 How many of these, if you can be a guy

01:34:57 who's a super high performer and also be happy,

01:35:00 I don't know how happy Elon is,

01:35:02 but I know he laughs a lot.

01:35:04 Like I've been around that dude a lot

01:35:05 and he's always laughing about shit.

01:35:06 He's always laughing about shit.

01:35:08 He's clearly under an extreme amount of pressure.

01:35:11 He's clearly a high performer,

01:35:12 but he's also seems to be enjoying a lot of it.

01:35:16 - Did you see his interview recently with Lex?

01:35:18 I think it was maybe four months ago.

01:35:20 - No, I didn't.

01:35:21 - So on that, there's a really interesting point

01:35:24 where Lex is asking him basically

01:35:27 what it's like to be Elon.

01:35:29 And Elon says, "Most people think they would want to be me,

01:35:33 "but they do not want to be me.

01:35:35 "My mind is a storm.

01:35:36 "They don't know, they don't understand."

01:35:38 - He said that to me too.

01:35:40 Yeah.

01:35:40 - It's fucking apocalyptic and terrifying.

01:35:44 We spoke about this last time, Tiger Woods,

01:35:46 the price that people pay

01:35:48 to be the person that you admire.

01:35:49 Tiger Woods goes through this really difficult period

01:35:52 with his father and all the rest of it.

01:35:54 And this is the best remedy for envy

01:35:59 that I can think of.

01:36:00 'Cause people look at Elon as this dude

01:36:02 who's sending rockets to Mars

01:36:04 and he's making the coolest cars on the planet

01:36:06 and he's on stage in Japan or China or whatever

01:36:08 doing weird robot dances and shit and he's super rich.

01:36:11 You go, you don't know the price

01:36:13 that he's had to pay for that.

01:36:15 You don't know the internal texture of someone's mind.

01:36:18 Your heroes aren't gods,

01:36:21 they're just regular people

01:36:22 who probably got good at one thing

01:36:23 by sacrificing literally everything else.

01:36:26 - Hmm, yeah.

01:36:29 (lips smack)

01:36:31 Especially as a high performing athlete,

01:36:33 what are your options?

01:36:36 If you wanna be a fighter in the UFC,

01:36:41 you can't also be coding.

01:36:44 You can't also be working at Microsoft.

01:36:48 - Can you also have a functioning relationship?

01:36:51 Can you also be--

01:36:53 - The thing about fighters is you do have a lot of downtime

01:36:56 where you have to recover.

01:36:58 You train a lot during the day,

01:36:59 but if you make a living fighting,

01:37:01 you will be able to have a relationship.

01:37:03 And with some of them,

01:37:04 that relationship offers them a significant amount

01:37:07 of emotional reinforcement.

01:37:10 - Parasympathetic activation.

01:37:12 - Yeah, yeah, it gives them comfort,

01:37:13 it makes them feel normal.

01:37:14 Some guys separate from their families for camp

01:37:17 because they just wanna be animals.

01:37:19 They just wanna sleep in a fucking hotel room

01:37:22 and just get up and train every day like a soldier.

01:37:25 They just want, their mind is on one thing,

01:37:27 a six week from now event.

01:37:29 And until then, I don't wanna hear shit.

01:37:31 When Marvin Hagler's kid was born,

01:37:33 he didn't go to the hospital.

01:37:34 He wasn't at the hospital, he was in camp.

01:37:36 Yeah, Marvin Hagler would go off to Provincetown,

01:37:41 it's down the Cape, and he would run.

01:37:43 He would run in the fucking winter on the sand.

01:37:45 - There's that famous Darren Till interview

01:37:48 where he's saying, "I've got a two-year-old daughter.

01:37:50 "Don't care, all I care about is legacy and greatness."

01:37:54 - Yeah.

01:37:56 - It's a high price that people pay.

01:37:58 I mean, Sean Strickland, who continues to seem to,

01:38:02 he seems to be sparring any YouTuber or streamer

01:38:05 that's prepared to get into the ring with him.

01:38:07 - Well, he beat up that kid

01:38:09 who's a smaller than him streamer named Sneeko,

01:38:12 which is not a good look.

01:38:14 He beat the shit out of that guy.

01:38:16 - Yeah.

01:38:17 - I just don't know why he wanted to do that.

01:38:19 It's so easy for him to beat that guy up.

01:38:22 - It was what we were talking about before.

01:38:23 - Yeah, it's not fair.

01:38:25 It's just like, it's not really, I mean, the kid,

01:38:28 I don't know what that kid thought.

01:38:29 First of all, he's so silly for doing that,

01:38:31 for agreeing to do that with Sean Strickland.

01:38:33 - Because you know that he's never gonna have

01:38:35 that hold back.

01:38:36 - If you agree to do that with Israel Adesanya,

01:38:38 Israel Adesanya will take care of you, I swear to God.

01:38:41 He'll pop you a little bit

01:38:43 and let you know that you're helpless,

01:38:45 but he won't fuck you up.

01:38:47 He'll smile and laugh and he'll hug you afterwards.

01:38:50 You could spar with him.

01:38:51 I guarantee you could spar with him.

01:38:52 And then just touch your face, just to let you know.

01:38:54 Like you would have been knocked out,

01:38:56 but I just touched your face.

01:38:57 It's gonna touch you a little bit.

01:38:58 Move around, you can't touch me.

01:39:00 I touch you.

01:39:01 Here's a feint and then that's coming at you.

01:39:04 And if he's kicking, you're fucked.

01:39:06 But even if he's just using his hands,

01:39:08 if you're some streamer, he wouldn't hurt you.

01:39:10 Sean Strickland's a different animal.

01:39:12 Sean Strickland has, you know,

01:39:14 he's got this fucking man code and he believes in it.

01:39:18 Like you gotta get your ass kicked every now and then.

01:39:20 He spars all the time, spars constantly.

01:39:22 And if you agree to get in there with him,

01:39:24 you're essentially agreeing to let him

01:39:27 beat the fuck out of you.

01:39:28 'Cause you don't really have a chance.

01:39:29 Like you have no chance.

01:39:31 But in Sean's defense, when he lost to Alex Pahetta,

01:39:36 one of the first things he did was go to Connecticut

01:39:39 to Glover Teixeira's gym where Alex trains

01:39:41 and train with him.

01:39:42 When we was training with Alex Pahetta,

01:39:44 he was light sparring.

01:39:46 So this is fucking light.

01:39:48 Watch, find the video of Sean Strickland

01:39:51 training with Alex Pahetta.

01:39:53 'Cause he's smart.

01:39:54 'Cause you can't, that guy's not Sneko.

01:39:55 You can't just tool, that guy already knocked you out.

01:39:58 Like Pahetta knocked him out in the first round.

01:40:00 He hit him with a left hook and then a right hand

01:40:02 as he was going down.

01:40:03 Like Pahetta's a monster.

01:40:04 So he was sparring with this monster.

01:40:05 He's like, "Who's this fucking be friends?

01:40:08 "Let's just be friends, buddy."

01:40:10 There wasn't any of that Sneko.

01:40:10 - Teach me your cheat codes.

01:40:12 - Exactly.

01:40:12 And Pahetta teaches people, which is very interesting.

01:40:16 You know, he's that confident in his ability

01:40:18 that he'll take a guy that he just fought

01:40:20 and a guy who is now the current,

01:40:22 look how they're sparring, nice and light.

01:40:24 See this?

01:40:25 They're just touching each other.

01:40:27 Just using distance and sparring.

01:40:29 And there was an actual, see, these guys are sparring,

01:40:33 but they're not hitting each other hard at all.

01:40:36 And there was a very interesting video

01:40:38 that I just watched yesterday

01:40:40 where this guy was talking about that in martial arts.

01:40:43 I don't know if you'll be able to find it.

01:40:44 But you know what?

01:40:45 I guarantee you it's on my list of shit

01:40:49 that I just watched.

01:40:50 'Cause YouTube will give you a list of shit

01:40:52 you just watched. - Of the history?

01:40:53 - Yeah, which is nice.

01:40:55 But it was very interesting

01:40:57 because it was talking about the importance of play

01:41:00 when it comes to martial arts sparring.

01:41:03 In that sparring, you know, the only way to learn

01:41:07 is to not be under this intense, high pressure,

01:41:10 high stress situation.

01:41:12 And for most people, sparring is terrifying,

01:41:16 especially sparring if you're sparring someone

01:41:18 who's like really dangerous.

01:41:20 Yes, this is that guy.

01:41:21 - That's a long video, though.

01:41:22 - Yes, and Max Holloway talked about it,

01:41:24 how he doesn't spar and see,

01:41:25 but if you, what he's essentially saying

01:41:28 is he breaks down the mind

01:41:30 and how, where's your optimal time to learn?

01:41:35 And he talks about how animals play

01:41:38 and about young animals,

01:41:39 like when a lion is jumping on another lion,

01:41:42 they're learning to play. - Rough and tumble play.

01:41:44 - And the ties, he also breaks down how the ties spar.

01:41:47 Ties spar very light, they just touch each other.

01:41:51 They're just touching each other.

01:41:52 - I've been out to Thailand, I've seen it.

01:41:54 - It's amazing.

01:41:55 High level guys do that.

01:41:57 And they do that so they can fight all the time

01:42:00 'cause they fight almost every week sometimes.

01:42:02 So when they're training,

01:42:04 they can't be getting beat up all the time,

01:42:06 so they learn how to, and you know,

01:42:09 that's for us a hobby, actually talking about that.

01:42:12 - That guy was fascinating.

01:42:13 - For us, he's a genius.

01:42:14 He's one of the greatest martial arts trainers of all time,

01:42:16 if not the best.

01:42:18 So see, these guys, they're training and they're touching.

01:42:21 See, they just touch each other.

01:42:23 And when you do that, you don't have the fear

01:42:26 of getting hit back as much,

01:42:28 and you learn combinations better,

01:42:29 you learn timing better.

01:42:31 When I first started coming to California,

01:42:33 I started training at this place called the Jet Center.

01:42:36 It was Benny the Jet Orchides,

01:42:37 who's this world-famous kickboxer.

01:42:39 And he had this place in California that we,

01:42:41 it was like two places I wanted to go to

01:42:43 when I came to California.

01:42:44 One was a comedy store, one was the Jet Center.

01:42:47 And unfortunately, they had just been damaged,

01:42:49 they had their roof damaged from an earthquake.

01:42:51 And so they had like flooding problems and stuff,

01:42:54 and they had to move out of that location.

01:42:56 So I was only there for like a short period of time

01:42:58 before they went under.

01:42:59 But there was guys you could spar there

01:43:01 that were like really good kickboxers,

01:43:03 but they were also, they knew how to spar correctly.

01:43:06 So there was this one dude that I used to spar with

01:43:08 all the time, and I was getting so sharp,

01:43:10 because we never hit each other hard.

01:43:12 And I knew I could trust him,

01:43:14 and he knew he could trust me.

01:43:15 So we were sparring all the time.

01:43:17 And I was not getting fucked up.

01:43:19 Like I'd spar on a day that I had to film something.

01:43:22 'Cause I knew that I-- - And you'd be able

01:43:22 to still go to work without a bloody nose or a black eye.

01:43:25 - So I did all my hard work on like the heavy bag,

01:43:27 but then when I was sparring, everything is just movement.

01:43:31 - What is the, or what are the bad habits

01:43:35 that someone who does that too much can,

01:43:37 would you maybe begin to habituate pulling your punches,

01:43:41 not telegraphing sufficiently?

01:43:42 - No, you would never, you would never,

01:43:44 if you've fought before, you'll never pull your punches.

01:43:46 That's not a good strategy. - But you know what I mean?

01:43:47 Because you're, obviously you are dialing back

01:43:49 that power, that penetration.

01:43:50 - You could say that with point karate,

01:43:52 'cause point karate, they kind of dive in

01:43:54 and just touch each other, but they all know how to hit bags.

01:43:58 They all know how to hit mitts.

01:43:59 They all know how to hit Thai pads.

01:44:01 They all know how to do that.

01:44:02 They know how to hit things.

01:44:04 It's just the real skill level is in control.

01:44:08 The real skill level is in being able to counter quickly,

01:44:11 but know exactly where your hand is going.

01:44:13 And you can do that.

01:44:15 You can learn how to control force in a way that,

01:44:19 like when I used to do Taekwondo demonstrations,

01:44:22 like when we'd open up a new school,

01:44:23 one of the things you'd have to do is like,

01:44:25 throw kicks at people's faces, like stop it at their face

01:44:30 just to show them like the kind of control that's possible.

01:44:34 And you would have your foot like literally fly up,

01:44:36 like right in front of someone's face.

01:44:38 And you would have someone stand there

01:44:39 who was another student, you would demonstrate on them.

01:44:42 - You just stand there, not flinch.

01:44:44 - Yup, and you just stand there.

01:44:45 And my instructor used to do it to me all the time.

01:44:47 He would do it to someone in every class,

01:44:49 like in the front row, he would demonstrate

01:44:51 by stopping the kick in the air in front of your face.

01:44:54 - Fuck, that's cool.

01:44:55 - Yeah, and so you would learn how to do that

01:44:58 when you would do that in like,

01:44:59 so the ability to pull a shot is a part of being

01:45:03 a really high level martial artist

01:45:05 and the ability to spar without,

01:45:08 and spar fast without hitting each other hard

01:45:11 is also, it's like something you should know how to do.

01:45:14 It's a part of the, once you know that you're hitting,

01:45:17 the only thing is like the anxiety of being hit.

01:45:20 That's, and the danger of being hit,

01:45:22 because if you're just used to like pulling shots,

01:45:24 you could get an uncomfortable sense of your,

01:45:27 like a dangerous sense of your safety.

01:45:30 Your robustness and your safety.

01:45:31 'Cause any one shot takes you out.

01:45:33 Any one good shot from a strong striker can take you out.

01:45:36 So you don't, you want no shots landing clean.

01:45:39 You want everything to be moving away from you.

01:45:41 - This is new though, right?

01:45:42 I've heard a lot of guys, older school UFC guys saying

01:45:45 that this light sparring thing is a pretty new invention.

01:45:49 - Totally, totally.

01:45:50 - People were getting knocked out in sparring.

01:45:51 - All the time, all the time.

01:45:53 Yeah, some of the old school training camps,

01:45:55 like you'd hear stories about like,

01:45:57 particularly shoot the box in Brazil.

01:45:59 In Curitiba, they had some of the best fighters

01:46:02 of the golden era of pride.

01:46:03 They had Vanderlei Silva.

01:46:05 They had Ninja, Shogun, Anderson Silva.

01:46:09 They had so many killers that came out as one gem.

01:46:13 And bro, they beat the fuck out of each other.

01:46:15 They beat the fuck out of each other.

01:46:17 They knocked each other out all the time.

01:46:20 Vanderlei Silva and Shogun famously had a fight

01:46:25 to see whether or not one of them would pay for a pit bull.

01:46:30 'Cause one of them had the pit bull.

01:46:31 I think Shogun had the pit bull

01:46:33 and he's offered to sell it to Vanderlei.

01:46:34 And Vanderlei said, "I'll fight you for it."

01:46:36 And so they fought and Vanderlei apparently won

01:46:40 and got the dog.

01:46:42 - Just in the gym.

01:46:43 - It's a fight.

01:46:44 - No one's getting paid apart from in a dog.

01:46:46 - No, they would fight, fight, like fight, fight.

01:46:48 So when they would go to fights,

01:46:50 they're so used to fighting.

01:46:51 - I'd fight over Karl.

01:46:53 - The thing about it is though, man,

01:46:54 it's gonna shorten your career substantially, substantially.

01:46:59 It'll shorten your durability

01:47:01 towards the end of your career substantially.

01:47:03 You see it in every fighter

01:47:05 that comes from that sort of environment

01:47:06 and the traumatic brain injuries that they get

01:47:10 when they spar like that all the time,

01:47:13 especially when they're not slick.

01:47:15 The thing about like Anderson Silva above all those guys

01:47:18 is that Anderson was slick.

01:47:20 He was very difficult to hit clean.

01:47:22 So Anderson Silva, when he's sparring,

01:47:24 like he's flowing and moving, you know,

01:47:26 he's very difficult to catch.

01:47:29 Those guys would go to war,

01:47:30 just bite on the mouthpiece and fucking, ah!

01:47:34 You ever see Vanderlei Silva fight?

01:47:36 - Yeah, I think so.

01:47:37 - His next name's the Axe Murderer.

01:47:39 Vanderlei Silva in Brazil.

01:47:39 - Was that the guy, "Let's go now, let's go now."

01:47:42 - Yeah, yeah, he was fighting with Chael.

01:47:43 - Chael Sonnen, but that was at the end of his career.

01:47:46 That was at the end of his career

01:47:47 when he came to the UFC.

01:47:48 - Post TRT.

01:47:50 - Yeah, he'd gotten off of all the stuff

01:47:52 that he was on when he was in Brazil.

01:47:54 You want fully roided Vanderlei in Brazil

01:47:57 when he was a young man.

01:47:58 He was a fucking animal, dude.

01:48:00 He was an animal.

01:48:01 He was so scary.

01:48:04 He was, this was the bare knuckle days.

01:48:05 This was like his first fight.

01:48:07 - Bare knuckles coming back.

01:48:08 - Yeah, it is coming back.

01:48:10 Well, bare knuckle for UFC was how they first started.

01:48:12 Yeah, look, Vanderlei was,

01:48:14 and he had a cool tattoo on the back of his head.

01:48:16 He was an animal, dude.

01:48:18 He was an animal.

01:48:18 I saw him meet a fan.

01:48:20 I saw him meet a fan once.

01:48:21 The guy had the same tattoo on his head

01:48:23 'cause he's such a fan of Vanderlei.

01:48:23 - Oh, you can do head kicks on the ground.

01:48:24 - Oh yeah, everything.

01:48:25 You do whatever you want.

01:48:26 - In little briefs as well.

01:48:27 I love the briefs.

01:48:28 - This is Valletito.

01:48:29 This isn't Brazil.

01:48:30 This is how it all started, man.

01:48:31 This is how they did it in Brazil, man.

01:48:32 In Brazil, bare knuckle, Valletito.

01:48:35 It's just when the United States got involved

01:48:37 that it became the thing that it is now.

01:48:40 - That's a pussy in a gloves.

01:48:41 - Yeah.

01:48:42 I mean, they were stomping

01:48:44 and kicking each other in the balls.

01:48:47 This is Vanderlei when he got to the UFC.

01:48:48 So in these days, this was the UFC with zero testing.

01:48:52 And you see him, he looks full of intruders.

01:48:54 And then, I mean, Vanderlei was a terrifying force.

01:48:57 And then he goes over to Pride

01:48:59 and he becomes a champion of Pride.

01:49:00 But he was fucking people.

01:49:01 And there's him against Guy Metzger,

01:49:03 who was a very good fighter.

01:49:04 And Vanderlei just overwhelmed him.

01:49:07 Bro, overwhelmed him.

01:49:08 It's just headbutts, everything.

01:49:10 Knees, see that headbutt?

01:49:11 I don't think that headbutt was legal, by the way.

01:49:13 I don't think that was legal back then,

01:49:15 but it didn't matter.

01:49:16 They weren't gonna stop it.

01:49:17 And then Vanderlei puts him away.

01:49:19 - I wanted to--

01:49:20 - Monster dude.

01:49:21 He was a monster in his prime.

01:49:22 He had to get his face reconstructed

01:49:23 'cause his nose was so flat

01:49:25 that he couldn't breathe out of it at all.

01:49:26 So they took a big chunk of cartilage out of his rib

01:49:29 and reconstructed his face.

01:49:30 And he had a totally new face.

01:49:32 They made it big.

01:49:33 He got a big nose so he could really breathe.

01:49:36 Yeah, he looked like a different human.

01:49:38 Like after the surgery, he looked like,

01:49:40 like he showed up one day and I was like,

01:49:41 "What is going on?"

01:49:43 I was like, "We're at the weigh-in."

01:49:44 I knew that he had got his nose fixed,

01:49:47 but they just fixed, they gave him a different nose.

01:49:50 Like it's way bigger so he could breathe more.

01:49:52 He was beating the fuck out of people.

01:49:53 He wanted more air.

01:49:54 (laughing)

01:49:55 - Fuck.

01:49:57 - Van der Leeuw was an animal.

01:49:59 - Who do you think's more,

01:50:00 is there anyone else that was more psychopathic

01:50:03 or more of an animal across your commentary career?

01:50:06 - There's so many of them.

01:50:08 - Who ranks close to the top?

01:50:10 - Mike Perry, who's one of the bare knuckle fighters now.

01:50:13 - Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:50:13 - He's about as ferocious as a human being gets.

01:50:16 - He's the dude that chipped Luke Rockhold's tooth, right?

01:50:19 - Yeah, he told them what was gonna happen before the fight.

01:50:21 He's going, "I'm gonna fuck you up and you're gonna quit."

01:50:24 And he just went out and made him quit.

01:50:26 Did exactly what he said.

01:50:27 He's an animal, man.

01:50:28 He's a real animal.

01:50:30 - This BKFC thing's interesting.

01:50:32 - Yeah, well, it's a very different kind of fighting, man,

01:50:35 when you don't have the protection of gloves.

01:50:37 Every punch hurts way more.

01:50:39 And it also hurts your hands.

01:50:40 - Is the wrapping on their wrists

01:50:43 just to provide a little bit of support structurally

01:50:45 when they're hitting?

01:50:45 - Yeah, structurally it'll probably prevent some breaks.

01:50:50 That's basically all it does, is prevent some breaks.

01:50:52 It connects your thumb to the hands too

01:50:54 'cause the thumb breaks easy.

01:50:55 The thumb, like on a missed punch,

01:50:57 might hit a forehead with the thumb and the thumb will snap.

01:51:00 So it'll protect it a little bit.

01:51:01 - Oh! - See, Luke cracked him there

01:51:03 with a good left hand.

01:51:03 And Luke was a fucking hell of a fighter in his prime, man.

01:51:07 He was UFC middleweight champion,

01:51:09 and in his prime when he beat Chris Weidman,

01:51:11 he was a motherfucker, man. - I remember that fight.

01:51:14 - He was a motherfucker.

01:51:15 But Mike Perry is not a guy that you can think you have.

01:51:19 He's just so tough.

01:51:21 He's gonna keep coming.

01:51:22 And if Luke stuck and moved

01:51:24 and maybe had a different strategy,

01:51:25 maybe he would've had a better time.

01:51:27 But you let Mike Perry start mauling you,

01:51:30 he's so dangerous, man.

01:51:31 He's such a fucking killer.

01:51:33 And he doesn't feel pain.

01:51:34 Or if he does, he doesn't let you know.

01:51:37 It's just, he's just uniquely built for that sport.

01:51:40 - I wanted to teach you about something

01:51:43 that I'd learned on the show.

01:51:44 So you've had a number of conversations

01:51:46 about trans athletes in sport

01:51:48 and about the dangers potentially

01:51:50 of biological males moving over into women's leagues.

01:51:54 And it always kind of comes back to the same,

01:51:57 well, if we can get their hormones

01:51:59 down to this particular kind of level,

01:52:01 basically, can we reverse some of the structural changes?

01:52:04 And it kind of gets into this realm

01:52:05 of like hormonal fuckery, which is fine.

01:52:08 But I think that's kind of been talked to death.

01:52:11 There's something that I learned about in the show

01:52:12 that I thought was even more important.

01:52:14 So the male and female brain difference

01:52:19 can be detected in utero, in embryos,

01:52:24 in fetuses that are six months old.

01:52:27 So this is a minus three months year old,

01:52:30 and they can already detect sexed brain differences.

01:52:34 By the age of 10, 93% accuracy of an MRI

01:52:39 between a boy and a girl.

01:52:41 That's exactly, or that's around about the same

01:52:44 as your accuracy of detecting whether it's a man

01:52:46 or a woman based on looking at their face.

01:52:49 That's the same degree of difference.

01:52:51 So one of the arguments that will be put forward

01:52:52 is social roles theory.

01:52:54 So social roles theory is that boys behave like boys

01:52:57 because they see boys behaving like boys

01:52:59 and girls do the same.

01:53:00 They're socialized into doing this.

01:53:04 That doesn't seem to be true because this is universal.

01:53:08 It's across the board.

01:53:09 It's present before anybody's even been born

01:53:13 and it's present before androgens.

01:53:14 But the reason that this is, I think, important

01:53:17 towards sport is that one of the key differences

01:53:20 is in what's called visuospatial abilities.

01:53:23 And males have a huge advantage in visuospatial abilities.

01:53:27 This is preschoolers, age three and four,

01:53:31 they're throwing accuracy and they're throwing distance

01:53:34 already begins to diverge from girls.

01:53:36 By the age of 19, there's essentially no crossover at all.

01:53:39 You could understand why this might be the case

01:53:41 because, well, if you're a ancestral hunter,

01:53:44 you need to, as a man, be able to see

01:53:46 this is an animal running this way.

01:53:48 I have this particular spear in my hand.

01:53:50 I'm going to throw it to intersect this.

01:53:53 So you go, okay, well, one of the problems of using that

01:53:55 is you can't bifurcate a male's performance,

01:53:58 especially with something like throwing, visuospatial,

01:54:01 from the physical structure that they have,

01:54:05 which is impacted by androgens.

01:54:06 So men have longer forearms.

01:54:08 Their shoulders articulate in a different way.

01:54:10 They might have more trunk rotation, perhaps.

01:54:13 So they did a study to try and work this out.

01:54:17 Instead of having them throw things,

01:54:19 the lecturers at this university

01:54:21 brought their undergrads in

01:54:22 and used a tennis ball firing machine,

01:54:25 like you use for practicing returns in tennis, as dodgeball.

01:54:30 And the guys in the class topped out the ceiling.

01:54:33 They were very, very difficult to hit.

01:54:35 The same wasn't true for the girls.

01:54:37 The reason is that the male proclivity

01:54:40 to be able to see things in space,

01:54:45 understand how they fit together,

01:54:46 understand the proprioception of where my body is

01:54:49 and how I can interact with this, is very, very different.

01:54:52 It's a sizable, statistically significant difference

01:54:56 that you find between males and females.

01:54:58 Now, females have their own advantages.

01:54:59 Social cognition, which is otherwise known

01:55:02 as emotional intelligence,

01:55:03 reading faces, lying detection,

01:55:05 what's called, I think it's local memorization

01:55:08 or spatial memorization.

01:55:10 So you know those games where you've got a load of cards

01:55:12 down on the table and you've got to match them?

01:55:14 Girls would wipe the floor with guys at that.

01:55:17 So there are predispositions, mentally,

01:55:22 that men and women have.

01:55:23 And this is something, this is not,

01:55:25 and this is the important thing,

01:55:26 this is not impacted by testosterone level.

01:55:29 So you, as a biological male,

01:55:31 can't take a ton of estrogen or hormone blockers

01:55:34 and have your visual spatial ability

01:55:36 be down-regulated to that of a woman.

01:55:39 So this, to me, explains an awful lot

01:55:41 about why the WNBA is struggling,

01:55:45 because you are talking about

01:55:46 a very different set of capacities.

01:55:49 And unfortunately, well, fortunately, I guess,

01:55:52 the way that sports are done is

01:55:53 it needs to be visually compelling, right?

01:55:55 You want to see cool things happening.

01:55:56 You want to observe shit going on.

01:55:59 A lying detection test,

01:56:01 or someone turning over cards and matching them,

01:56:02 doesn't lend itself to being a spectator sport as much,

01:56:05 which means that males have this predisposition,

01:56:08 which is more entertaining,

01:56:10 given the current rule sets of sport.

01:56:12 And this, to me, is a much more compelling unfairness

01:56:16 when you're talking about

01:56:17 male and female capabilities within sport.

01:56:20 This doesn't have anything to do with

01:56:22 what time were they put on hormone blockers.

01:56:23 This doesn't have anything to do with

01:56:25 how, what is their testosterone level at.

01:56:27 This is innate, inbuilt predispositions.

01:56:30 - But doesn't it have to be agreed upon

01:56:32 by the people that are making these sort of decisions?

01:56:34 Because most people,

01:56:36 there's people that will resist that.

01:56:38 They might not even think,

01:56:40 they might not think you're lying,

01:56:42 but they might resist that.

01:56:43 They might resist that and say it's not valid,

01:56:45 doesn't matter. - Statistically significant.

01:56:47 I mean, if- - Right, but you could see

01:56:50 how people would have an issue with that, right?

01:56:52 Even though it's statistically significant,

01:56:56 people would go like, "Who did the study?"

01:56:58 You know, if you're trying to say that trans women are women,

01:57:03 there's a lot of things that you could say

01:57:06 that they have an advantage with physically.

01:57:08 Proving it mentally just based on that,

01:57:13 I agree, it seems an issue.

01:57:15 Well, you know how big of an issue?

01:57:17 It's an issue in pool.

01:57:18 Pool's not a strength game at all.

01:57:22 It's a finesse game.

01:57:24 It's a game of executing shots under pressure.

01:57:29 It's a game of angles,

01:57:30 and it's a game of geometry and feel.

01:57:33 But very few women ever get to the level

01:57:38 of like an elite professional male.

01:57:39 It's like there's a small handful in history, in history.

01:57:43 - And that's completely controlled

01:57:44 for articulation of the shoulders,

01:57:46 maybe a tiny bit of strength on the break, I guess.

01:57:49 - Could be on the break,

01:57:50 but there's a lot of girls who break very well.

01:57:52 And the break today is more of a controlled break

01:57:55 because they're breaking on cloth that's a Simonis 860.

01:57:58 It's a very fast, clean cloth.

01:58:00 - Dude, your obsession with pool

01:58:02 makes me laugh every time that I hear about it.

01:58:04 It's so funny.

01:58:05 It's like this other wing of you that I never think about.

01:58:10 And then every time I walk in

01:58:10 and I see that there's like a pool hall, basically,

01:58:13 in here, I'm like, ah, yeah, the fucking pool obsession.

01:58:15 - Yeah, I'm obsessed with it.

01:58:16 But there's women that are really good.

01:58:18 They're better than me, for sure.

01:58:20 But they never reach the level of like a Shane Van Boning,

01:58:23 who's like one of the best ever.

01:58:25 They just don't get to that place.

01:58:27 - I just think it's an interesting addition

01:58:29 to the discussion because you're always

01:58:32 having the same conversation.

01:58:33 Well, what about if we get the hormone levels to here?

01:58:35 Well, actually, we don't suggest that testosterone level.

01:58:37 What about people that have got naturally

01:58:38 high levels of testosterone?

01:58:39 (imitates drum roll)

01:58:41 It never gets to innate, inbuilt, unchangeable differences

01:58:46 about our capacities,

01:58:48 about when it comes to the field of play.

01:58:50 And if you were to take the top 100 female WNBA players

01:58:58 and the top 100 male NBA players,

01:59:00 and you were to say, let's just shoot three free throws.

01:59:03 Let's just see how many are made.

01:59:05 That should be a pretty even playing field.

01:59:08 And I bet that it would be,

01:59:10 the disparity will be very high.

01:59:12 - Very high.

01:59:13 In the pool world, the reason why I was bringing this up,

01:59:17 recently, a woman made it to the finals of a tournament

01:59:20 with a transgender woman and just quit.

01:59:23 She said, I'm not gonna play you.

01:59:25 - In pool?

01:59:25 - Yeah, they got to a women's tournament.

01:59:27 And this transgender woman,

01:59:30 and by the way, with pool tournaments,

01:59:32 I guarantee you they're not checking estrogen level.

01:59:35 There's zero control.

01:59:36 All you have to do is say, I'm a woman,

01:59:38 and you can play.

01:59:39 I can say I'm a woman and I can play.

01:59:40 Put on a dress and I'll play.

01:59:41 Fuck you, I'm a woman.

01:59:42 If you let it happen,

01:59:44 you're gonna get crazy people that do this.

01:59:46 And this lady, she took a stand.

01:59:47 She's like, you're not a woman.

01:59:49 I quit.

01:59:49 - You saw that-- - Shake your hand.

01:59:51 - You saw that Canadian powerlifting coach

01:59:52 that just entered a competition with just didn't do it.

01:59:56 He was like--

01:59:57 - I'm a woman now.

01:59:58 - Yeah.

01:59:59 It's really bizarre that they're letting this happen.

02:00:03 It really is.

02:00:04 It's so strange.

02:00:05 It's like women's rights have gone out the window

02:00:08 in this sense over the name of virtue.

02:00:12 The virtue that you're a good person

02:00:14 and you say trans women are women.

02:00:16 Okay, in real life maybe, yeah,

02:00:19 but not on sports, you're a biological male.

02:00:22 Like, it's the same thing as if you tell someone,

02:00:25 hey, I don't do steroids now,

02:00:26 but I've done steroids straight every day for 20 years

02:00:29 and I'm so fucking strong, I've run through a wall,

02:00:31 but I'm gonna stop doing steroids

02:00:33 and I wanna compete with natural people.

02:00:34 Well, fuck you.

02:00:36 Fuck you, you cheated.

02:00:37 You changed your physique.

02:00:38 You changed it.

02:00:39 Well, that's exactly what you would say for a woman.

02:00:42 If you had a woman athlete

02:00:44 and that woman athlete developed a male voice

02:00:47 and giant muscles but was still a woman,

02:00:49 was beating up all these women,

02:00:50 you'd be like, oh, that woman was on the sauce.

02:00:52 She cheated.

02:00:53 She cheated.

02:00:55 Well, if you're going through puberty,

02:00:57 guess what, fuck face?

02:00:58 You're taking testosterone.

02:00:59 If you really say you're a woman

02:01:01 and you're going through all that

02:01:02 and then you're after puberty, you're an adult

02:01:04 and then you're going into your 30s,

02:01:06 you have your whole life of producing testosterone,

02:01:08 you have male tendon strength,

02:01:10 you have the male bone density,

02:01:12 you have different shaped hips,

02:01:13 you have everything's different.

02:01:15 Your competitive drive's different.

02:01:16 It's so dumb that we're having this conversation

02:01:20 and the people that suffer are the biological women.

02:01:23 And that was the thing

02:01:23 that we were always supposed to be protecting

02:01:25 in Title IX.

02:01:26 That's the whole idea of developing regulations

02:01:30 so that women have sports that they can play

02:01:33 that are just with women.

02:01:34 It's a fair playing field.

02:01:36 The same reason why you don't let third graders

02:01:39 play with fucking high school seniors.

02:01:41 It's real simple.

02:01:42 You have someone play within the parameters

02:01:45 of a fair playing environment

02:01:46 and you're always gonna get outliers.

02:01:48 You're always gonna get people

02:01:49 that are like exceptionally strong and fast

02:01:51 for their weight and their age

02:01:53 and then you're gonna be a people

02:01:54 that are struggling physically.

02:01:55 They just have no experience whatsoever in athletics

02:01:58 and you gotta find the comfortable medium

02:01:59 but it's within a fair parameter of the biological gender.

02:02:04 This fucking thing that's on your birth certificate.

02:02:06 What is it?

02:02:07 That's what you can compete in.

02:02:08 Whatever the fuck you at,

02:02:10 what's your chromosomes?

02:02:11 Do you have XY?

02:02:12 Yeah, you gotta go with those guys.

02:02:14 That's it.

02:02:15 You don't wanna fight anymore?

02:02:16 Okay, well then don't fight.

02:02:17 But you can't beat up women

02:02:19 just 'cause you decide you're a woman.

02:02:20 That's crazy.

02:02:22 That's just crazy.

02:02:23 It doesn't make any sense that we're allowing that.

02:02:25 It's not compassionate.

02:02:27 It's not open-minded.

02:02:28 It's not progressive.

02:02:29 It's just stupid.

02:02:30 You're just caught in some cult-like mindset

02:02:34 and the people that are suffering are the women.

02:02:36 The women that would be competing in just sports.

02:02:39 You see that thing in Canada where the volleyball players

02:02:41 is five biological males on a volleyball team

02:02:44 and the biological women were sitting there on the bench

02:02:47 waiting while the biological males

02:02:49 were dominating this fucking women's volleyball game?

02:02:52 See if you can find that.

02:02:54 'Cause it's so crazy.

02:02:55 It's like, it's literally South Park.

02:02:57 It's South Park.

02:02:58 Like we're watching South Park.

02:02:59 - Strong woman.

02:03:00 - Yeah, it's absolute insanity.

02:03:02 You have crazy people.

02:03:04 Crazy people.

02:03:05 - Talking about basketball,

02:03:08 I had Seth Stevens-Davidowitz on the show.

02:03:10 He's a ex-Google data scientist.

02:03:13 He wrote a book in 30 days using AI,

02:03:16 breaking down a ton of stuff

02:03:17 that no one ever knew about basketball

02:03:19 and it is so fucking cool.

02:03:21 For every inch in height that you gain,

02:03:25 the chance of you going to the NBA doubles.

02:03:27 - Whoa.

02:03:27 - So six foot one is twice as likely as six foot

02:03:29 and six foot two is twice as likely as six one

02:03:32 and it just continues to go.

02:03:33 Continues to go all the way up.

02:03:34 The most common name.

02:03:36 Oh, here we go.

02:03:37 - Go ahead.

02:03:38 - Get it in there.

02:03:39 - Most common name.

02:03:40 Five trans players dominate women's college volleyball game.

02:03:43 Come on, this is so crazy.

02:03:44 - How many players is there on a game of volleyball?

02:03:46 - Well, they're actually on different teams.

02:03:47 - Yeah, there's like three on one and two on the other.

02:03:50 - Okay. - And they play

02:03:51 during the entire game

02:03:52 while the biological women sat on the bench.

02:03:54 - Let's see if I can pick them out.

02:03:55 Oh God, this is a real--

02:04:00 - Oh, so people were freaking out?

02:04:01 - I guess, yeah.

02:04:02 - Yeah, well, they should be freaking out.

02:04:03 It's fucking insanity.

02:04:05 It's insanity and it's this thing

02:04:07 where you're supposed to pretend

02:04:09 that they're not lunatics.

02:04:11 Like there's a man in Canada that was a 50 year old man

02:04:14 that decided he was, he identified as a 15 year old girl.

02:04:18 So he's competing in girls swimming events

02:04:20 and he was changing in the same locker room as the girls.

02:04:23 Hey, what are the odds that guy's a creep?

02:04:25 (laughing)

02:04:27 - Might be one to put on the watch list for the police.

02:04:28 - I think.

02:04:29 - What are you talking about?

02:04:31 It's so dumb.

02:04:32 It's just so dumb that we're accepting it

02:04:35 and more people are accepting it than should.

02:04:38 It's insane and it shouldn't be a sign

02:04:41 of whether or not you're progressive

02:04:42 or you should recognize that this is a dangerous opening.

02:04:46 You're leaving a very dangerous opening here.

02:04:48 And the people that are suffering are the women

02:04:50 and the women that are athletes that are suffering,

02:04:52 it's gonna ruin their chances at college.

02:04:54 You could change the direction of their life.

02:04:55 They might not get a scholarship they should get

02:04:58 because they had to compete against biological males.

02:05:00 - The enhanced games.

02:05:01 Get everybody off the enhanced games, the steroid Olympics.

02:05:04 Peter Thiel just put a ton of money into that.

02:05:06 - Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.

02:05:08 How long before the government cracks down on them?

02:05:10 - Well, the problem is it seems like, from what I read,

02:05:14 it seems like they supply the steroids.

02:05:18 - That's what I'm saying.

02:05:19 Like that seems super illegal.

02:05:21 - Are you a sporting body or are you a my steroid dealer?

02:05:24 - And then you have to think like what kind of an influence

02:05:26 does that have on young people?

02:05:27 Like one of the things about steroids

02:05:29 being shunned and illegal,

02:05:30 even if it was irrational in some sense,

02:05:34 like that if you have an adult male

02:05:37 and this guy is 35 years old and he just decides,

02:05:41 you know what, I wanna take steroids.

02:05:44 Why is that not okay?

02:05:47 But you can prescribe him a ton

02:05:50 of different fucking things that can kill him.

02:05:52 You can prescribe him anti-anxiety medication.

02:05:55 You can prescribe him painkillers.

02:05:58 You can prescribe him Ozempic

02:06:00 'cause he wants to lose weight.

02:06:01 You can prescribe him all kinds of things

02:06:03 that might have adverse health risks,

02:06:05 but you can't, nothing that makes you stronger.

02:06:08 Nothing, we have a limitation on that.

02:06:10 It's very odd.

02:06:11 - And I can see how you would make it banned for sports,

02:06:14 but why is it banned for people?

02:06:16 Like says who?

02:06:17 - I just wanna get jacked.

02:06:19 - Says who?

02:06:19 But it's like says who?

02:06:21 Says one adult, says another adult can't do this?

02:06:25 Is like a bunch of, do people vote on that?

02:06:27 Did medical experts vote on that?

02:06:29 If they did, how'd they let fentanyl in?

02:06:31 - I can't remember.

02:06:32 I feel like it wouldn't be surprising to me

02:06:35 if the cascade was this ruins fairness in sports

02:06:38 and then we retroactively change

02:06:40 the gym rat normal population rule set

02:06:44 to ensure that the sporting rule set isn't wrecked.

02:06:48 I feel like it was probably the trickle down that way

02:06:51 from sports and elite sports and tested sports

02:06:54 into the public.

02:06:55 But Derek from More Plates, More Dates

02:06:56 has talked about this, how if it hadn't been for the fact

02:06:59 that they were controlled substances,

02:07:01 we would have way safer, better researched compounds.

02:07:04 You know, we're still using like Trenbolone is,

02:07:07 it's from like the 60s or the 70s or something.

02:07:10 - That stuff's supposed to be scary.

02:07:12 - Oh yeah.

02:07:13 - I've heard scary stories of people being on that stuff

02:07:15 and losing their fucking mind.

02:07:16 Like literally becoming camels.

02:07:17 - Insomnia, you get this cough.

02:07:18 You get, you put--

02:07:19 - It's a tren cough?

02:07:20 - Tren cough, yeah, you pin yourself

02:07:22 and you get this tren cough supposedly, terrifying.

02:07:25 Going back to that basketball thing,

02:07:27 the most common name of basketball players in the NBA,

02:07:32 Christopher, I missed my calling.

02:07:34 - Damn, that's the most?

02:07:35 - Yes, so the reason for this,

02:07:37 and it's really interesting.

02:07:39 Seth used a ton of different AI programs

02:07:43 to analyze all of this data.

02:07:44 And he said he was able to do

02:07:46 what would have taken him three years and 30 days.

02:07:48 He wrote this book in 30 days.

02:07:50 - Whoa.

02:07:51 - It's insane.

02:07:51 It's really, really good.

02:07:52 Who Makes the NBA, I think it's called.

02:07:54 And the reason that it's Christopher

02:07:57 is that Christopher is the sort of name

02:08:00 that is given by middle-class parents to their child.

02:08:03 So it's really an indicator of social class.

02:08:06 And there is this belief that in basketball,

02:08:11 it's a meritocracy where the underclass,

02:08:14 hardworking athlete can clamber his way up.

02:08:17 You know, this is LeBron.

02:08:19 LeBron, single mother who was 16 years old,

02:08:21 makes it to the top.

02:08:23 He's an outlier.

02:08:24 That's not that common.

02:08:25 The most common path is someone that comes

02:08:27 from two-parent household that's relatively well off.

02:08:29 And you know, like classic advantages that you get.

02:08:32 Christopher is the sort of name that's given.

02:08:35 I think Michael is another one that's up there

02:08:37 and he does this big word map thing

02:08:38 where you can see the size of the names

02:08:40 and the bigger the name, the more likely it is.

02:08:42 One of the other things that no one really ever thinks about

02:08:44 is hand span.

02:08:46 Hand span, one of the biggest determinants

02:08:48 for success in the sport.

02:08:49 So Shaq has a 14-inch hand span from finger to hand

02:08:54 because palming the ball, you know, if you're up there

02:08:59 and you're able to palm the ball, that's a huge advantage.

02:09:02 Yeah, yeah, it's terrifying.

02:09:04 - That's so big.

02:09:05 - Absolutely terrifying.

02:09:05 - Just grab that ball.

02:09:06 Yeah, makes sense.

02:09:08 Makes sense, it'll give you an advantage.

02:09:10 Yeah.

02:09:10 It's fascinating when you break down data like that

02:09:15 and you try to figure out

02:09:16 what are the contributing factors.

02:09:18 I wonder if they've done that with martial arts.

02:09:20 I wonder if someone's done that with fighters

02:09:21 like height and reach and things like that.

02:09:22 - What would you be interested in?

02:09:24 - Height and reach.

02:09:26 It's a big factor.

02:09:27 But it's also like, are you as durable?

02:09:30 Like sometimes the stockier--

02:09:31 - Neck width, maybe something like that.

02:09:32 - Yeah, neck width, the size of the chin.

02:09:34 I think it's jaw size.

02:09:36 - Hand size would definitely be one.

02:09:38 So I worked on the front door of nightclubs

02:09:40 for forever running our events.

02:09:42 And one of the really naughty things

02:09:45 that door staff would do,

02:09:45 maybe they do this in America as well,

02:09:47 is they get like a lead cylinder

02:09:51 and in their leather gloves, they put it on the inside.

02:09:54 So the hand now weighs a pound and a half more than usual.

02:09:59 You hit someone and that's like a fucking hammer.

02:10:03 So if that's the case, that rule is

02:10:06 mass of hand equals damage.

02:10:09 So someone that has denser bones

02:10:11 or more muscular hands or bigger hands,

02:10:13 that's basically just more weight

02:10:15 on the end of your arms

02:10:16 that you're swinging at someone's face.

02:10:18 So yeah, I mean--

02:10:19 - Giant advantage.

02:10:20 - I think that breaking down sports in this way,

02:10:23 that's why money ball was so cool, right?

02:10:25 People loved like, oh my God, this is so interesting.

02:10:28 - I never really paid attention to that.

02:10:29 What is money ball?

02:10:31 - So money ball was a assessment of the MLB

02:10:35 done by a guy that was picked up by the Oakland A's.

02:10:39 And he was using very advanced mathematics

02:10:43 to look at, you got something, Jamie?

02:10:46 - I was just gonna say Billy Beans' name.

02:10:47 I was trying to just--

02:10:48 - Yeah, Billy Beans.

02:10:49 And he looked at undervalued players

02:10:54 and what contributes to winning a game.

02:10:57 And there were players that would bat in a weird way

02:11:00 that would throw a pitch in a weird way,

02:11:02 but their numbers were fantastic.

02:11:04 And he was the first guy that really, really assessed

02:11:06 the numbers of baseball in this manner.

02:11:08 Now it's very, very common.

02:11:09 Baseball is largely a game of maths.

02:11:11 They know exactly where hitters like to swing.

02:11:14 They move the field around

02:11:15 based on all of the statistics that they've seen,

02:11:17 all of the analyses that's been done.

02:11:19 But yeah, the movie "Moneyball" with Brad Pitt is outstanding.

02:11:24 If you've never seen it, you absolutely should watch it.

02:11:26 It's so much fun.

02:11:27 But yeah, I think this assessment,

02:11:29 I don't think it removes the magic of sport.

02:11:33 I don't think it gets rid of the magic of sport to--

02:11:36 - It just makes people nerd out harder.

02:11:37 - Deconstruct, yeah, and it allows us to obsess.

02:11:39 - It still doesn't make it easy to do.

02:11:41 So when someone does hit a fucking home run,

02:11:43 it's still amazing.

02:11:44 - Yeah, but--

02:11:45 - This is a good scene from the movie.

02:11:47 I'm not gonna play the whole thing,

02:11:48 but just what's going on here is he's explaining to them

02:11:50 the idea of what he was just talking about, the moneyball,

02:11:52 but there's a bunch of old scouts.

02:11:53 These guys have been around forever.

02:11:56 And they're just like, "What are you talking about?

02:11:57 "We can't do it that way."

02:11:58 - So he just figures it out numerically.

02:12:02 - And spoiler alert, it works.

02:12:04 They won the World Series the next year or something like that.

02:12:06 - And it's based on a true story?

02:12:08 - Oh yeah.

02:12:09 - Yeah, it's--

02:12:09 - And so he had himself an autistic kid.

02:12:12 - Yeah, that's exactly what he--

02:12:14 - That's basically what it was.

02:12:16 Yeah.

02:12:17 - That's the secret advantage.

02:12:19 Find people that have got autism.

02:12:20 - There's an advantage in that.

02:12:21 - I just heard the guy,

02:12:23 the Chiefs that just won the Super Bowl,

02:12:24 they have a guy like that that's worked with the coach

02:12:26 the entire time.

02:12:27 They call him, shit, I forget what they call him.

02:12:29 He has a name, he's like the analytics guy.

02:12:31 They're like, "No one knows what his job is."

02:12:32 - Mr. Numbers or something.

02:12:33 - We just listen to him and we trust whatever he says.

02:12:35 - Fuck, that's cool.

02:12:36 - It's pretty cool.

02:12:37 - Yeah.

02:12:38 Dude, let's talk about this special counsel report thing.

02:12:42 - Oh yes, we were gonna do that before we peed.

02:12:44 - Yes.

02:12:45 - Yeah, special counsel report on Biden.

02:12:47 - Yeah, so these Afghanistan documents,

02:12:50 these top secret Afghanistan documents

02:12:52 that were supposedly held in his garage, as you'd say,

02:12:56 there's photos of how it was.

02:12:57 It was just an open box in the middle of the garage.

02:13:01 - Wasn't it in his Corvette or something?

02:13:04 - I'm not sure, the photos I've seen

02:13:05 are just an open box with files in,

02:13:08 like you just have lying around here

02:13:09 that need to be cleaned away.

02:13:10 - I think he had one of those boxes

02:13:12 in the backseat of his Corvette.

02:13:14 - Well.

02:13:15 - Or in the trunk of his Corvette.

02:13:18 Yeah, there's his Corvette.

02:13:20 That's a Corvette that doesn't even have a backseat.

02:13:21 - It's a Corvette, I guess, yeah.

02:13:23 - So he's got a, that's a fucking dope Corvette.

02:13:25 - That's like my year.

02:13:27 I love that year.

02:13:28 - That's pretty nice.

02:13:29 - So the classified docs were found in his garage,

02:13:32 where his Corvette was.

02:13:33 - Yeah.

02:13:34 - So there's the box right there.

02:13:36 That's it?

02:13:36 - Yeah.

02:13:37 - Just, and what's in those things?

02:13:40 - Classified Afghanistan documents.

02:13:42 I think it was from earlier in.

02:13:44 - Oh my God, you can read them.

02:13:45 - Garage box after repackaging, January 3rd, 2023.

02:13:51 - So did he forget he had them?

02:13:52 - So that's the argument.

02:13:54 And the thing that most people are jumping on

02:13:57 to do with this report isn't that,

02:14:00 it's the assessment that, I think it was Hur

02:14:02 that's the dude that did it.

02:14:04 It was the assessment of his mental state.

02:14:08 - Yeah.

02:14:09 - Basically, yeah.

02:14:11 Mr. Hur suggested that Mr. Biden's memory was failing

02:14:13 and questioned some of his actions,

02:14:15 even though the special counsel had found no basis

02:14:17 to prosecute the president.

02:14:18 The issue that he says, basically, in the report is,

02:14:23 if you're trying to prosecute this guy,

02:14:25 Mr. Biden would likely present himself to the jury

02:14:28 as he did during our interview with him,

02:14:30 which is as a sympathetic, well-meaning,

02:14:34 elderly man with a poor memory.

02:14:36 That's literally what it says in the report.

02:14:39 Well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.

02:14:42 So basically, you can't prosecute this guy

02:14:44 because he's not compass mentis,

02:14:47 but you can let him run for the president

02:14:49 of the United States in November.

02:14:51 So that's the world that we've managed to get into.

02:14:55 - But don't you think that that's a ruse?

02:14:57 - Which is? - Him running

02:14:58 for president?

02:14:59 I think-- - You don't think

02:15:00 he's gonna run? - No.

02:15:02 No, I think they're gonna get rid of him.

02:15:04 I think they're gonna move him out.

02:15:05 They're gonna force him to step down.

02:15:07 That's what I think.

02:15:08 If I had to guess, and it's just speculation,

02:15:12 I'd say they're setting up Gavin Newsom for it.

02:15:14 That's what I say.

02:15:16 That's what I think.

02:15:17 That's what it looks like to me.

02:15:18 I think more and more comes out about this stuff,

02:15:23 and more and more comes out about the Burisma thing

02:15:26 and the Penn State thing,

02:15:28 where the Chinese donated money to Penn State,

02:15:30 and then he got a million-dollar-a-year gig

02:15:33 where he didn't even have to show up. (laughs)

02:15:35 That's old school.

02:15:36 That's like mafia stuff.

02:15:38 Was it a million dollars a year?

02:15:39 How much was it that he got from Penn State?

02:15:42 And he was telling people,

02:15:43 "He's a proud professor at Penn State."

02:15:44 Like, he's on-- - He's everywhere.

02:15:46 - Honorary professor. - Didn't teach one class.

02:15:48 - Look, some of it is part of it's fun.

02:15:50 If he wasn't the president, it would be really fun,

02:15:52 'cause he's always making stuff up,

02:15:54 calls people the wrong name,

02:15:55 talks about someone that's dead.

02:15:57 You know, it's constant.

02:15:59 - It was Penn, not Penn State.

02:16:00 - Penn State, excuse me, Penn.

02:16:02 Was paid $1 million a year to teach,

02:16:05 but never taught a single class.

02:16:07 Yeah, University of Pennsylvania, that's what it is.

02:16:10 That is a, that's a mob job.

02:16:13 I had a friend of mine who had one of those jobs.

02:16:16 He didn't have to really go to the Javits Center.

02:16:19 - Like an honoree. - He's a mob guy.

02:16:21 He got a gig.

02:16:23 Yeah, he got a gig, and there was like,

02:16:24 if you had made a union negotiation back in the day,

02:16:27 like we're talking back in the day-day,

02:16:29 they would throw in a bunch of no-work jobs.

02:16:33 So no-work jobs were a part of the thing.

02:16:34 - It's just a little sweetener on top.

02:16:35 - Yeah, so if you're a mob guy

02:16:38 and you're connected to some construction company,

02:16:40 they would find companies that they would buy into

02:16:43 and own pieces of so that they could

02:16:45 kind of funnel their money out.

02:16:47 They could say, "I'm in the construction business,"

02:16:48 or, "I'm in the sanitation business."

02:16:50 They always had something that they were attached to,

02:16:52 but they had no-show jobs.

02:16:55 You got real money, you know?

02:16:57 Got a real fucking salary, a real paycheck every week,

02:17:00 and you never did shit.

02:17:01 You didn't do a goddamn thing.

02:17:02 You never went there.

02:17:03 You're just a mob guy.

02:17:04 - I can't help feeling kind of sad

02:17:07 about how difficult it must be to be Joe Biden.

02:17:11 Like, if you're this dude who is,

02:17:13 I mean, what the fuck are they pumping him with?

02:17:15 Like, he is- - Fun stuff.

02:17:16 - I mean, he's having a great time.

02:17:18 Like, first thing in the morning,

02:17:19 "Mr. President, come in for your happy pills," or whatever.

02:17:22 Yeah, exactly.

02:17:23 - There's fucking IV testosterone and cocaine

02:17:26 right into his system.

02:17:27 - So you think, you know,

02:17:29 this guy who's holding on as best he can,

02:17:31 like trying to get through the presidency

02:17:34 and there's all of this scrutiny

02:17:35 and people are making jokes about him

02:17:36 and he's got the fucking red,

02:17:37 his team are like, "Oh, let's put a fucking meme out of him

02:17:39 with red eyes after the Super Bowl,

02:17:40 and then he's got to deal with all the rest of that stuff."

02:17:42 What is that?

02:17:44 - And then it just makes me feel like,

02:17:46 fuck, like that must be really rough to be that guy,

02:17:50 to actually be the human that is Joe Biden.

02:17:52 That must be really fucking like, I don't know,

02:17:54 are you going to be aware?

02:17:55 Are you going to be self-aware of the fact

02:17:56 that you're failing, that your mental faculties aren't there

02:17:59 and you're like being pushed

02:18:00 and just this RPM is being pushed higher and higher,

02:18:03 8,000, 9,000, 10,000.

02:18:05 - I bet he doesn't do much.

02:18:07 I bet the cabinet takes care of everything.

02:18:09 I bet the press secretary makes all the tweets.

02:18:13 I bet they dope them up,

02:18:14 they every now and then they make them talk

02:18:16 and they probably give them a lot of amphetamines

02:18:18 or something.

02:18:19 They probably give them something to make,

02:18:20 I don't know what's the offensive,

02:18:21 it's amphetamines, I would imagine.

02:18:23 - That's you using your Hitler model to--

02:18:26 - What I was going to do, if I had a guy like that

02:18:28 and they said, "Hey Joe, like this guy,

02:18:29 he's really out of it, let's pretend it's not Biden."

02:18:33 Some other guy that has to go and speak in front of people.

02:18:35 He's really old and like, okay,

02:18:38 you know, he could die, he could die if you do this.

02:18:41 But what I would say is like,

02:18:42 let's start banging him up with testosterone,

02:18:44 give him like a good dose, like ramp him up slowly.

02:18:48 We wanna get him up to like 30 year old levels

02:18:50 and then some kind of amphetamine

02:18:52 and then a big nootropic stack, like a heavy stack.

02:18:56 Theanine, acetylcholine, alpha-GPC, yeah, let's stack shit.

02:19:01 And I want like multiple modalities.

02:19:05 I want a bunch of different ones coming out,

02:19:06 mushroom ones, all kinds of stuff.

02:19:09 You got, we got to do our best here.

02:19:10 - The adaptogens, you've got everything going in there.

02:19:12 - And then Rich says,

02:19:13 "Well, I gotta break things down on cue cards.

02:19:14 I mean, we can do this."

02:19:15 And that's what they've done.

02:19:16 They've definitely done the cue cards part.

02:19:18 Like there's photos of his cue cards,

02:19:20 like stand there, say brief remark,

02:19:22 like it's all capital letters.

02:19:23 You've seen those? - No.

02:19:24 - He holds onto them and then they take pictures of it

02:19:26 and they zoom in on the picture and they go,

02:19:28 look what it says.

02:19:29 See if you can find that, Jamie.

02:19:31 - Yeah.

02:19:32 - You can't, you shouldn't have, like this is his card.

02:19:34 - The secret.

02:19:35 - The secret.

02:19:36 - Presidential cue cards.

02:19:37 Oh, he has cue cards for staff too.

02:19:39 That makes sense.

02:19:40 But there was a cue card that he had

02:19:41 that they were reading while he was on stage,

02:19:44 when he was giving some sort of a presidential address.

02:19:47 It was like-

02:19:47 - You enter the Roosevelt room

02:19:49 and say hello to participants.

02:19:50 You take your seat.

02:19:52 - You give brief comments.

02:19:54 All caps for the you.

02:19:56 - Oh man, I feel so bad for him.

02:19:57 - That's amazing.

02:19:58 - I feel so bad for him. - It's amazing.

02:19:59 Well, he just can't keep a thought in his head

02:20:02 when he starts talking about things.

02:20:04 He forgets what he's talking about all the time.

02:20:05 He goes, well, whatever.

02:20:07 He just says, well, whatever and just drifts off.

02:20:09 - Someone, so he did this after the report came out,

02:20:12 he did this emergency press conference,

02:20:15 which wasn't, I don't think a particularly good idea.

02:20:17 - How did it go?

02:20:18 - I would say suboptimally.

02:20:21 Someone said-

02:20:24 - Did he fail to impress?

02:20:26 - Someone asked him, how good is your memory?

02:20:30 And he said, my memory is so bad, I let you speak.

02:20:33 - Oh boy.

02:20:36 - Like what?

02:20:38 - Oh boy.

02:20:39 - Sorry, what?

02:20:40 My memory is so good, I let you speak.

02:20:43 What?

02:20:44 There's no way that I can repurpose that quote

02:20:46 for it to make sense.

02:20:48 Meanwhile, the new president of El Salvador

02:20:51 just won with an 85% vote.

02:20:54 85%.

02:20:57 So El Salvador went from having the highest murder rate

02:21:02 in the world to now the highest incarceration rate

02:21:06 in the world.

02:21:07 This guy is locking up everyone.

02:21:10 They have a brand new 40,000 person prison

02:21:14 that's the size of seven football stadiums.

02:21:18 Jamie, have a look at this football stadium thing.

02:21:22 It is wild what they've done.

02:21:25 And he's just, he's cleaned up the streets.

02:21:28 He's really, he's gone super aggressive.

02:21:30 There's some dangers of what he's done,

02:21:32 which is they're being very indiscriminate

02:21:35 with who gets convicted.

02:21:38 12 year olds can be, I haven't heard if they are,

02:21:40 but 12 year olds can be treated like adults

02:21:43 and thrown into the prison as well.

02:21:45 You know, if they break down the door and come in this room

02:21:48 and you're a bad guy and me and Jamie are not bad guys,

02:21:52 we're probably going to prison as well.

02:21:53 So there's a probably a good bit of collateral damage

02:21:55 that's come with this, but this dude is like,

02:21:58 it's insane.

02:22:00 It's insane what he's been able to do.

02:22:01 And yeah, 85% was the vote.

02:22:05 Yeah, here we go.

02:22:06 - Wow.

02:22:09 Inside El Salvador's mega prison.

02:22:12 - Turn the volume on, Jamie.

02:22:13 - You'll find some of El Salvador's

02:22:14 most dangerous gang members packed into massive cells,

02:22:18 towers of bunk beds in what looks like bird cages.

02:22:22 (speaking in foreign language)

02:22:24 It's a source of pride for President Nayib Bukele

02:22:27 that almost two years ago declared a war on crime.

02:22:30 A detention center, the size of seven football stadiums

02:22:34 with capacity to hold 40,000 prisoners,

02:22:37 the largest of its kind in Latin America.

02:22:40 Known as the Center for Terrorism Confinement,

02:22:45 it opened its doors in 2023

02:22:48 after the government declared a state of emergency.

02:22:51 The move limiting civil rights-

02:22:53 - Look at the tattoos, dude.

02:22:54 Look at that.

02:22:55 - Tens of thousands of gang members.

02:22:57 - Wow.

02:22:58 (speaking in foreign language)

02:23:01 - The director says the detainees

02:23:03 have to sleep on hard surfaces

02:23:05 to avoid giving them mattresses

02:23:07 that could be used to hide objects.

02:23:09 Their diet consists of simple meals that repeat every day.

02:23:13 (speaking in foreign language)

02:23:14 - Beans, rice, one hard egg in the morning.

02:23:18 (speaking in foreign language)

02:23:21 (speaking in foreign language)

02:23:24 - Wow. - It's hard.

02:23:25 - Yeah.

02:23:26 - This guy just put the hammer down.

02:23:29 That was, you know, with Duncan Trussell,

02:23:31 when we were in LA, when the George Floyd riots hit,

02:23:34 one of the first things he said,

02:23:36 "Dude, we're gonna have

02:23:37 a right-wing authoritarian president now.

02:23:39 That's gonna be the next person."

02:23:42 Like the next, like when this all collapses,

02:23:45 the only response to that is people go hard right.

02:23:48 They go hard right.

02:23:50 - Oh my God. - That's nuts.

02:23:52 That's nuts.

02:23:55 - I think it's MS-13 is one of the big gangs.

02:24:00 I can't remember what the other one's called.

02:24:01 - It's as if like if you wanted to-

02:24:04 - Oh my God. - Stop this

02:24:06 at its tracks, you're not gonna cure those guys.

02:24:10 - There's like two bathrooms in each cell also.

02:24:13 - And how many people in each cell?

02:24:14 - A lot of people, two bath, two cell.

02:24:17 - Oh my God. - Oh my God.

02:24:19 - You gotta go, you gotta go.

02:24:20 - But I guess, if you wanna really clean it up,

02:24:25 it's not gonna be pretty.

02:24:27 If you wanna really clean up

02:24:28 a very dangerous gang infested place,

02:24:30 it's not gonna be pretty.

02:24:31 - You saw Batman, that's what he did, right?

02:24:33 - Yeah. - Recodes like 100, 500 people.

02:24:37 - Yeah. - The insight around

02:24:42 during a time of upheaval and uncertainty,

02:24:46 looking for a more dominant leader

02:24:48 and a more authoritarian leader,

02:24:49 that has roots in evolution as well.

02:24:52 So this is something that Will Storr talks about,

02:24:54 which is there's multiple routes to status.

02:24:57 There's fewer routes to leadership.

02:24:59 So there tends to be two,

02:25:00 one being dominance and the other being prestige.

02:25:03 So dominance is the more authoritarian,

02:25:06 you will do this because there are negative outcomes

02:25:08 if you don't do this and it's more overbearing.

02:25:10 Prestige is earning reputation through being positive some.

02:25:15 During times of war and strife,

02:25:18 tribes would look for a more dominant leader

02:25:23 because you have threat from the outside.

02:25:26 So you're going to have someone

02:25:27 that's going to be aggressive,

02:25:28 they're going to lean in,

02:25:29 they're gonna try and fix this problem.

02:25:30 Of course, that's going to be who you choose.

02:25:32 Problem is, if you have someone who is a dominant leader

02:25:35 for times of war, when it becomes a time of peace,

02:25:38 that dominant leader isn't just going to step aside,

02:25:40 they're dominant, they're gonna hold onto this power.

02:25:43 They've usually managed to embed themselves,

02:25:44 they've got sycophants, they've got a distribution network

02:25:48 of people that can help to enforce their rule.

02:25:51 That's the problem that you have.

02:25:53 But this has absolutely has its roots evolutionarily.

02:25:55 - Also, what a bizarre way to run anything,

02:26:00 to have the guy who runs it be very vulnerable

02:26:05 and only have a four year term.

02:26:08 And then you can only do two of those four year terms

02:26:10 and then people are constantly trying to figure out a way

02:26:13 to manipulate the reality of the world

02:26:16 to get their guy past you, including high level gaslighting.

02:26:20 I mean, we've seen some wild gaslighting.

02:26:22 - Serious fuckery.

02:26:23 - Past couple of weeks talking about the economy.

02:26:26 There's so much- - I missed that.

02:26:27 What was that?

02:26:28 - Gaslighting.

02:26:29 Well, one of them was Gavin Newsom

02:26:31 talking about how great Biden was

02:26:33 and how what the Democrats record

02:26:35 that this has been one of the greatest presidencies ever,

02:26:37 full stop.

02:26:38 It's like hot gas in your face.

02:26:42 - It's burning your lungs.

02:26:43 It's just gaslighting.

02:26:46 It's gaslighting.

02:26:47 You can't have a great economy

02:26:50 if you're spending hundreds of billions of dollars

02:26:52 financing wars overseas.

02:26:53 It's not even possible.

02:26:55 You're gonna have inflation.

02:26:56 You're gonna have, how'd you get all that money?

02:26:58 Where'd you get another 95 billion

02:27:00 that you passed in the middle of the night?

02:27:02 Like, where's all that going?

02:27:03 Who's paying it back?

02:27:05 - Yeah, I mean- - Woo, that's a lot of money.

02:27:07 - I often think about the guys

02:27:09 that are staples of the government,

02:27:13 not the people that are part of the president.

02:27:15 - Say it, the deep state.

02:27:16 - The deep state, yes.

02:27:18 The people that are in charge.

02:27:19 We all know who we mean.

02:27:20 Yeah, Taylor Swift.

02:27:23 (Jordan laughs)

02:27:25 - That is a hilarious fucking theory.

02:27:28 - I love the conspiracy theories around that.

02:27:29 - But did you see that there was actually

02:27:31 like a conversation that was had about,

02:27:34 what was the actual roots of it?

02:27:36 There's an actual video where they talk about it

02:27:38 in like, God, it was like 2017 or something like that.

02:27:41 They talk about using a really popular person

02:27:45 like Taylor Swift as like an asset.

02:27:48 - The Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's relationship

02:27:52 is a deep state psyop to be able to-

02:27:55 - Wild. - I love that conspiracy.

02:27:57 - It's a wild conspiracy.

02:27:57 But 'cause the problem with the conspiracy is

02:28:00 they're saying this is why Taylor Swift is so big.

02:28:02 Like, no, you gotta see how 15 year old,

02:28:05 like I have a 15 year old daughter.

02:28:06 When they're around like Taylor Swift songs,

02:28:09 they all scream, they go nuts.

02:28:10 They love it.

02:28:11 They actually- - That's not a psyop.

02:28:12 - She speaks to them.

02:28:14 It's not a psyop.

02:28:15 She's super talented, fucking driven as hell,

02:28:17 writes her own songs.

02:28:18 Like she speaks to them.

02:28:20 I don't know, it's great.

02:28:22 The whole thing is, it's wild.

02:28:25 It's wild to watch a new Michael Jackson

02:28:27 'cause that's kind of what it is.

02:28:28 - That's a good point.

02:28:29 I mean, how many times,

02:28:30 I would love to know how many times

02:28:31 the Superbowl cut to her.

02:28:35 - I saw someone win a bet that was like over 15

02:28:38 or something like that.

02:28:38 - There was an over under on the number of cuts

02:28:40 to Taylor Swift?

02:28:41 - Let's go!

02:28:42 - One of them should chugged a beer.

02:28:44 One of them should chugged a beer and slammed it down.

02:28:46 - I don't know.

02:28:47 - I saw a guy won a bet because he bet on the streaker bet

02:28:49 and then he-

02:28:50 - Was he the streaker?

02:28:52 - Yeah, that's what he said.

02:28:53 That's what he said.

02:28:54 - Oh my God, that's a-

02:28:55 - Well, if they don't specify,

02:28:56 that's a good move.

02:28:59 If they don't specify that you,

02:29:01 I mean, look, a deal's a deal.

02:29:02 - That is a 200 IQ move.

02:29:05 The only other 200 IQ move that I've seen recently,

02:29:08 there's a new type of sexual kink,

02:29:10 which is called solo poly.

02:29:12 So polyamorous, but solo.

02:29:15 So fuckboys have rebranded themselves as solo poly.

02:29:20 - Okay.

02:29:21 - That is a 3000 IQ move.

02:29:23 Don't kink shame me.

02:29:24 I'm not sleeping around.

02:29:26 I'm solo poly.

02:29:27 - Solo polyamorous means someone has multiple

02:29:30 intimate relationships with people,

02:29:32 but has an independent or single lifestyle.

02:29:35 (laughing)

02:29:36 They may not live with partners, share finances,

02:29:39 or have a desire to reach traditional relationship

02:29:41 milestones, which partner's lives become more intertwined.

02:29:45 Well, I think that seems to make sense

02:29:47 with all the dating apps today,

02:29:48 and all the Instagram DMs, and all the people just,

02:29:51 there's so many more options people have today.

02:29:54 It makes sense that more people would agree

02:29:56 to polyamorous interactions.

02:29:58 They wanna hedge their bets.

02:29:59 It's a weird time to be a young person.

02:30:03 Like imagine you're like just getting out of high school,

02:30:05 just getting into college now,

02:30:06 and you're entering into the romantic workforce.

02:30:10 Good luck.

02:30:11 - The meat grinder.

02:30:12 - Good luck.

02:30:13 - Yeah.

02:30:14 - Good luck, it's crazy out there.

02:30:15 - Yeah. - It's crazy.

02:30:15 - The percentage of people that say they're not looking

02:30:18 for casual or long-term relationships

02:30:21 is at an all time high.

02:30:23 It's really, really scary.

02:30:24 - As our country music sales,

02:30:25 there's like a swing in the other direction too.

02:30:28 - What do you mean?

02:30:29 - More people are like,

02:30:30 "Look, we're gonna get to a simpler life."

02:30:32 There's more people who listen to country music now

02:30:34 than I think ever before.

02:30:35 - Right, so they--

02:30:35 - There's a reaction to that.

02:30:37 Like, "I don't wanna do this."

02:30:38 - They're finding solitude from a confusing world

02:30:42 in Luke Combs songs.

02:30:43 - Yeah, they're gonna never tweet,

02:30:46 like sings about tweets, you know?

02:30:48 - Right, yes.

02:30:50 Fucking hell.

02:30:50 Well, I saw Jelly Roll was on the Super Bowl commercial.

02:30:55 That was pretty cool.

02:30:57 - Yeah, it was cool.

02:30:58 - And then Shane Gillis managed to pop half of his face

02:31:00 in when the camera panned in on like the Bud Light balcony

02:31:04 or whatever it was called.

02:31:05 - Yeah, Shane Gillis is now a spokesperson for Bud Light.

02:31:08 And we kind of manifested it on the podcast

02:31:11 'cause we were talking about it so many times,

02:31:12 like, "Why wouldn't they use you?"

02:31:14 They're fucking smart.

02:31:15 They use one of the funniest guys alive

02:31:17 who's a legitimate Bud Light drinker.

02:31:19 Never stopped, even during the controversy.

02:31:21 He never stopped.

02:31:22 The first couple of shows he did afterwards,

02:31:24 he wouldn't bring cans on stage.

02:31:25 He poured into a glass

02:31:26 'cause he didn't want anybody to hear it.

02:31:28 He's still drinking Bud Light.

02:31:30 And then on the podcast, you're just like,

02:31:32 you're gonna drink Bud Light out,

02:31:33 and they'll be like, "Fuck yeah."

02:31:34 - Dude, when you find your beer, you find your beer.

02:31:36 - Well, with Shane, that's the case.

02:31:38 It was just a match made in heaven.

02:31:40 It's smart.

02:31:41 It's the right time where they could take a chance

02:31:42 on a wild dude like that.

02:31:44 - What a turnaround, man.

02:31:46 I mean, I'd said this at the time.

02:31:47 I thought it was interesting that a lot of people

02:31:50 whose common talking point was,

02:31:52 "Don't judge someone just based on one misdeed that they do,

02:31:57 "based on one misspoken thing

02:32:01 "about some new social campaign,"

02:32:03 or whatever it might be,

02:32:04 didn't seem to extend the same kind of leeway to Bud Light.

02:32:08 Now, I don't know.

02:32:09 - I know, weird, right?

02:32:10 - I don't know how deep that ran.

02:32:12 There's someone that says it was a marketing intern.

02:32:14 There was another that says it went right to the top,

02:32:16 and this shows that Bud Light were the lib cooks

02:32:21 that we've always known that they were.

02:32:23 I'm like, I don't know.

02:32:24 But if it wasn't infused into the company,

02:32:27 what you're doing is taking a very isolated incident

02:32:29 and using that as the canary in the coal mine to say,

02:32:34 "See, they're part of the deep state.

02:32:37 "They're taking over.

02:32:38 "They're doing the whatever."

02:32:38 - Well, sort of.

02:32:40 It was not one thing.

02:32:41 It was two things that combined together.

02:32:44 So the one thing was the Dylan Mulvaney picture

02:32:48 on the beer can that drove people nuts,

02:32:50 but then there was the video of the woman

02:32:52 who was in charge who was explaining

02:32:55 that they had to rework the image of the brand

02:32:58 and that it was a fratty, sort of like bro-heavy,

02:33:03 I forget the words she used, but it was a juvenile.

02:33:07 She was trying to literally--

02:33:07 - To be a bro.

02:33:09 - But it's literally, you're talking about

02:33:10 your entire customer base.

02:33:13 So she's deciding that the customer base should now be trans

02:33:15 or the customer base should, I mean, literally.

02:33:18 I mean, she's literally deciding

02:33:19 she's going to make the customer base gay.

02:33:21 It's going to be friendly to the LBGT community.

02:33:23 It's going to be sponsoring floats on Pride Parade.

02:33:26 And that's what they did.

02:33:28 Under her guidance, she was like, "I'm going to fix this.

02:33:31 "We're going to make it just like I believe the world is,

02:33:34 "coming from universities that are hyper-liberal

02:33:37 "into a community where you're in a corporation

02:33:40 "that's also subject to all those DEI restrictions.

02:33:44 "And you think this is like the way of the world today."

02:33:47 And then you do that one thing,

02:33:49 and then they catch you on video

02:33:50 saying all those things about the customers.

02:33:52 And then the coup de gras, Kid Rock shoots your beer.

02:33:56 (laughing)

02:33:58 When Kid Rock shoots your beer, that's a wrap.

02:34:00 - Fucking game over.

02:34:01 Until you get Shane Gillis.

02:34:03 - Yeah, Shane Gillis, and then you sponsor the UFC.

02:34:06 Like it'll turn back around now.

02:34:09 It can turn back around.

02:34:10 Shane Gillis on stage with Zach Bryan?

02:34:12 Oh shit, that's amazing.

02:34:14 When was this?

02:34:15 - At a big party in Vegas.

02:34:17 - Did he sing?

02:34:18 - Yeah, I mean it's the revival.

02:34:19 - Which song, is he singing All Night Revival?

02:34:21 Oh, that's incredible.

02:34:22 (upbeat music)

02:34:25 (laughing)

02:34:30 ♪ Put Johnny on the vinyl ♪

02:34:36 - Wow. - The whole crowd

02:34:37 sings along to that.

02:34:38 I went to see Zach when he was out here,

02:34:39 and they did that.

02:34:40 He tried to get me to sing.

02:34:41 I'm like, "Fuck you."

02:34:42 (laughing)

02:34:43 - I can tell jokes. - I'm not going out there.

02:34:44 I don't want any attention.

02:34:45 - Tell jokes that'll punch someone in the face.

02:34:47 - Yeah, I want to enjoy the show.

02:34:49 But it was a fucking amazing show, man.

02:34:50 He's so talented.

02:34:52 - Where was that?

02:34:53 - That was out here.

02:34:54 It was like the Two Step Festival.

02:34:57 Where was that, Georgetown?

02:34:59 Yeah, not far from here.

02:35:01 - I learned from Schultz this interesting thing

02:35:04 that I called Schultz's razor,

02:35:06 which is it's not coordination, it's cowardice.

02:35:09 From the outside, things look like a coordinated attack.

02:35:13 From the inside, it looks like people

02:35:15 are not trying to lose their jobs.

02:35:17 So I think a lot of the presumption

02:35:19 is that there is some grand plan,

02:35:23 some grand, maybe it's a conspiracy,

02:35:24 or maybe it's just coordination.

02:35:27 What it is from the inside is this guy

02:35:30 has just bought a new house that his wife wanted,

02:35:32 and his kids go to private school,

02:35:33 and he needs to keep this job, man.

02:35:35 And the thing that is currently being pushed at the moment

02:35:38 is, okay, we need to go along with this new campaign?

02:35:42 Sure, let's just do this thing.

02:35:44 That, to me, is a much more, I hope that it's true.

02:35:47 The reason I hope it's true

02:35:48 is it's a much more reassuring way

02:35:50 for the world to be, a lot of these incidents.

02:35:53 Because what it shows is that people

02:35:54 are just responding to incentives.

02:35:56 And if you can change the incentives,

02:35:58 if you can change the social structure of this stuff,

02:36:00 you can quite easily change behavior.

02:36:02 If it's coordination, as opposed to cowardice,

02:36:05 that's much more difficult.

02:36:06 If everyone's actually bought into this,

02:36:08 and they're part of some deep state conspiracy,

02:36:10 and it's all sci-oppy and all of this stuff,

02:36:12 that you go, oh, this is completely out of my control now.

02:36:17 And that's much more scary.

02:36:19 But I think, on balance, based on the stuff that I see,

02:36:23 I think that Andrew's right.

02:36:24 I think that it is more likely

02:36:26 to be cowardice than coordination.

02:36:27 - Yeah, I think there's definitely both elements.

02:36:31 I think, specifically with some issues,

02:36:34 there's coordination online.

02:36:37 And one of the ways they do that is through bots.

02:36:39 They do that through social media campaigns

02:36:42 or fake accounts or hired accounts.

02:36:45 There's that too.

02:36:46 That does shift the narrative in a certain direction.

02:36:49 But there's a lot of people that are terrified

02:36:51 that they're gonna get fired.

02:36:52 And there's a lot of people that are terrified

02:36:54 they're gonna get labeled or ostracized

02:36:56 or kicked out of the social community,

02:36:58 so much so they're willing to go along

02:36:59 with really ridiculous stuff,

02:37:01 'cause they think that's where the tide of progress is now.

02:37:03 This is where the world is.

02:37:05 And you're seeing both things happen.

02:37:09 You're seeing cowardice, and you're also seeing--

02:37:10 - Coordination.

02:37:11 - It's kind of naive to think that if you are a world power

02:37:16 that is doing everything you can

02:37:18 to sort of balance things in your favor,

02:37:21 including launching spy satellites,

02:37:24 establishing a space force,

02:37:26 ramping up your nuclear capabilities,

02:37:28 developing these weapons that fucking shred people

02:37:31 with precise impact,

02:37:33 for sure you're gonna do whatever you can

02:37:35 to change the way a society views things

02:37:40 and to influence things in a particular direction.

02:37:44 You'd be a fool not to.

02:37:45 I mean, if that's what other countries are doing,

02:37:47 you'd be a fool not to do that.

02:37:49 You'd be a fool not to do it internationally.

02:37:50 You'd be a fool not to do it locally.

02:37:52 It's kind of the job of the person that's the evil fuck

02:37:55 that's running the world.

02:37:57 That's part of the gig.

02:37:59 Part of the gig is if you wanna lie to people

02:38:01 about the economy, you wanna gaslighting them

02:38:03 about the record of the president

02:38:04 and gaslighting them about the immigration crisis

02:38:06 and gaslight them about how much money we're spending

02:38:09 on these overseas wars.

02:38:11 You would gaslight them online too.

02:38:14 You wouldn't just have the fucking

02:38:16 White House press secretary lie and make shit up.

02:38:19 You would have a bunch of people doing it

02:38:20 all over the internet.

02:38:21 You'd have a bunch of articles written

02:38:23 that are just ridiculous.

02:38:24 And then people would retweet them.

02:38:25 Yeah, his age really is a superpower.

02:38:28 Yeah, man.

02:38:30 Seth MacFarlane retweeted that and said,

02:38:32 "This is a million brave, crazy,

02:38:36 "so brilliant that they did this.

02:38:39 "I can't," what did he say?

02:38:40 Seth MacFarlane said something like--

02:38:41 - Stunning and brave, it wasn't stunning and brave, was it?

02:38:42 - No, no, no, he didn't say it like that.

02:38:44 He's a funny guy, but he said something like,

02:38:46 "This is written better than I could have written it,

02:38:48 "but exactly my sentiments."

02:38:50 I was like, "This is so crazy.

02:38:51 "You're talking about a guy who can't speak.

02:38:53 "We all know you're doing this, you're gaslighting.

02:38:55 "And you're doing it because you think

02:38:56 "that this is the good side and the bad side's bad,

02:38:59 "and you do whatever you can

02:39:01 "to change the way people view things."

02:39:03 And so you have these people that are doing it

02:39:05 for virtue signaling, they're doing it to signal

02:39:07 to the tribe that they're a strong,

02:39:10 dominant member of this tribe,

02:39:11 and they're fighting for you.

02:39:13 Yeah, there's something that I've been rattling around

02:39:15 in my brain for some time.

02:39:16 And Bill McBidden finally articulated here,

02:39:19 "Better than I ever could.

02:39:21 "It's worth a read from start to finish.

02:39:23 "Opinion, age matters,

02:39:25 "which is why Biden's age is his superpower."

02:39:28 Come on.

02:39:29 - That actually sounds like a Family Guy sketch.

02:39:31 - 100%.

02:39:32 Well, definitely a South Park sketch.

02:39:34 It's crazy to say.

02:39:35 But if you're that guy,

02:39:37 and you're signaling to the tribe,

02:39:39 and you wanted everybody,

02:39:41 like a rational person who is a left progressive person

02:39:46 would say, "We have to figure this out.

02:39:49 "This is bad.

02:39:51 "This is bad.

02:39:52 "You can't just pretend it's good.

02:39:54 "The whole other side sees how bad it is.

02:39:56 "The world sees how bad it is.

02:39:57 "People in quiet say how bad it is.

02:39:59 "Most people in hushed, and they're alone having dinner.

02:40:01 "You're like, what the fuck do we do?

02:40:02 "Like Trump's gonna win with this guy."

02:40:04 - Yep.

02:40:05 I don't think, no matter who wins in November,

02:40:08 I don't think that either side

02:40:09 is going to accept the outcome.

02:40:10 - No way, not anymore.

02:40:12 - I think that we saw one, two elections ago,

02:40:17 the final accepted, and even that wasn't, right?

02:40:20 That was no, there's Russia collusion

02:40:21 and all the rest of it.

02:40:22 - And then how much are we gonna see of organized violence?

02:40:25 How much are we gonna see of organized protesters?

02:40:28 Organized protesters are a real thing.

02:40:30 Funded protesters are a real thing.

02:40:32 - Did that stuff turn out to be real

02:40:34 about the piles of bricks?

02:40:35 - Yes, yes. - The piles of bricks?

02:40:36 - Yes, yes, during the George Floyd riots.

02:40:40 Yeah, during the George Floyd riots,

02:40:42 and some of them they attributed to different things.

02:40:44 Some of them they said it was just a construction site

02:40:46 that was nearby, it was just coincidence.

02:40:47 Some of that I'm sure is true.

02:40:49 But the people that I talked to that said that,

02:40:51 no, stacks of bricks would just show up on their block.

02:40:54 Like, what?

02:40:55 - The net result of all of this, I think,

02:40:59 is people just feeling very uncertain about the future.

02:41:02 I don't think that anyone's really convinced

02:41:04 of any one narrative at the moment,

02:41:06 but everybody is just uncertain and anxious.

02:41:10 There's some really interesting surveys showing

02:41:12 that the number of Americans that say,

02:41:14 I do not fully feel in control of my life,

02:41:18 just continues to go up.

02:41:19 There's very much a externalized sense of agency.

02:41:23 I don't happen to the world, the world happens to me.

02:41:27 I'm skeptical about a lot of these things.

02:41:29 It's basically a soup for ambient anxiety.

02:41:32 We're just causing people to be uncertain about stuff.

02:41:36 And I don't know,

02:41:37 if you were trying to make people just feel

02:41:42 more and more and more shitty,

02:41:44 all that they're doing is spending time inside

02:41:46 on their phones, they're watching porn,

02:41:47 they don't have as many friends.

02:41:48 The number of men in 1990 that had one or more close friends

02:41:53 was, sorry, that had zero close friends was 3%.

02:41:57 In 2020, it was 15%.

02:41:59 So it 5X'd from 1990 to 2020.

02:42:03 So people are more isolated than ever before.

02:42:05 It doesn't surprise me that people feel despondent

02:42:09 or nihilistic or fatalistic or uncertain or it's not good.

02:42:13 - And then they're being manipulated.

02:42:15 - Correct. - On top of that.

02:42:16 So you're already vulnerable, you're already scared.

02:42:18 And when you have more of an isolation from community,

02:42:22 you're more likely to get sucked into subgroups.

02:42:25 You're more likely to get sucked into echo chambers

02:42:27 'cause like finally you have some people

02:42:28 that are connecting with you.

02:42:29 You don't have any connection.

02:42:30 It's like part of this little social dance you're doing.

02:42:33 - You remember that we were talking about

02:42:35 how you work out whether someone is telling the truth

02:42:39 or not, this interesting sort of set of questions

02:42:42 that I think people can ask themselves,

02:42:43 which is when was the last time that this person

02:42:46 I am friends with or whose content I consume on the internet,

02:42:50 when was the last time that their opinion surprised me?

02:42:53 When was the last time that they gave a take?

02:42:56 And I was like, huh, I might not agree with it,

02:42:58 but that's not what I would have predicted

02:43:01 had I have known them.

02:43:02 Something occurs and their response is different.

02:43:04 When was the last time that they publicly admitted

02:43:07 that they were wrong about something?

02:43:09 Also really good, difficult to fake signal of authenticity.

02:43:14 When was the last time that they brought someone on

02:43:20 or had a conversation with something

02:43:22 that they don't agree with

02:43:23 or someone that they don't agree with

02:43:25 for a reason other than just mocking them,

02:43:27 but to genuinely understand what it is that they're doing?

02:43:31 And then the fourth question is,

02:43:33 do they bind their group together

02:43:36 over the mutual hatred of an out group

02:43:38 or the mutual love of an in group?

02:43:39 Is it because of othering or is it because of ussing?

02:43:42 And I think othering is always, that's the scapegoating.

02:43:44 It's not about them, they're coming for us.

02:43:46 It's this sort of anxiety fueled thing.

02:43:49 But if you know one of someone's opinions

02:43:50 and from it you can accurately predict everything else

02:43:52 that they believe, they're not a serious thinker.

02:43:55 - Right, that is a hallmark

02:44:00 of bad independent political journalism.

02:44:03 It's like ripe with othering.

02:44:07 It's ripe with casting the blame on the other side.

02:44:10 It's ripe with not looking internally.

02:44:13 There's very little introspection thought, maybe I'm wrong.

02:44:17 It's always coming from a position of confidence

02:44:19 that these other people are pieces of shit.

02:44:21 And we're gonna lay out some out of context examples

02:44:25 with no context into why they think they think this

02:44:28 and what could steel man that

02:44:30 and how can we look at it from their perspective

02:44:32 and what's wrong about it?

02:44:33 No, everything is always like highlighting what's wrong,

02:44:37 highlighting the cruelty, gaslighting.

02:44:40 And they're doing it because they're a part of an ideology.

02:44:43 They're a part of a political group.

02:44:44 They're a part of this little gang

02:44:45 and they want the love of the gang.

02:44:48 And there's people that fancy themselves

02:44:50 as like hit men for the gang.

02:44:52 They're gonna go out there.

02:44:53 And there's a lot of that during

02:44:54 the Black Lives Matters riots in,

02:44:59 was it Portland or wherever it was?

02:45:02 It was literally like crazy violent people.

02:45:06 They're just wild Antifa dudes

02:45:08 that got lumped into these serious conversations

02:45:12 about what's ethical and what's not ethical

02:45:14 in terms of like what should be done about police brutality

02:45:17 and just psychos got involved in it with guns.

02:45:20 There's this one guy who wound up getting killed.

02:45:22 He killed some guy,

02:45:23 but he just killed someone who was on the other side,

02:45:26 just decided I'm gonna go kill somebody.

02:45:28 And you can have that.

02:45:30 And if you just have that thing that happened in Seattle

02:45:33 where they had that whole section of the city

02:45:36 that was closed down.

02:45:37 - Oh, Chas?

02:45:38 - The police. - Chas?

02:45:39 - Police just gave it up, just gave it up.

02:45:41 You guys have this.

02:45:42 They took over the police station, took over buildings

02:45:45 and they ran it for quite a while

02:45:48 with all sorts of chaos going on.

02:45:49 - I think they starved.

02:45:50 After a while they ran out of like sanitation

02:45:52 and water and food and they tried to grow a vegetable patch.

02:45:55 - And then they had the mayor on television

02:45:57 saying that maybe it was a summer of love.

02:46:00 Like, what are you talking about?

02:46:02 But all of these things just highlight

02:46:04 how uncertain people genuinely feel today

02:46:09 because we know those things took place

02:46:10 just in really recent time.

02:46:12 And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

02:46:13 It's just a minor thing in terms of,

02:46:17 I mean, it was a major thing in terms of the world,

02:46:18 the impact of coronavirus,

02:46:20 but it wasn't like airborne Ebola.

02:46:24 It wasn't like something that's gonna kill everybody.

02:46:26 Like what would break down that?

02:46:28 We broke down for a disease that killed

02:46:31 a very small fraction of people.

02:46:33 And those people, almost all of them

02:46:35 had four plus comorbidities, almost all of them.

02:46:38 It was like in the high 90%.

02:46:40 Wasn't it?

02:46:41 It was like 94% or something like that

02:46:42 of people that died from COVID had four plus comorbidities.

02:46:46 - Jesus, I didn't know that.

02:46:48 - It's something nutty like that.

02:46:49 And it was mostly people that are obese,

02:46:50 diabetic, unhealthy.

02:46:53 - So it was a big predisposition.

02:46:56 - Yeah, and imagine everything went

02:46:57 that fucking haywire for something like that.

02:46:59 - It was wild, dude.

02:47:01 I mean, to have lived through that,

02:47:03 it feels like a fever dream.

02:47:05 - Fever dream.

02:47:06 - To think about that, like that really happened.

02:47:09 Like it's gonna be weird.

02:47:10 You know, we're gonna be talking to our grandkids

02:47:13 and they're gonna be like, "Grandad."

02:47:15 - CDC studies have over 75% of COVID-19 deaths

02:47:19 in vaccinated people, or amongst those

02:47:22 with at least four comorbidities.

02:47:24 That's vaccinated people.

02:47:25 And this is from 2022.

02:47:28 What I had read was people that got COVID before the vaccine

02:47:33 and they were talking about,

02:47:34 they were trying to figure out who's dying and why.

02:47:36 And one of them, a big one was ventilated people.

02:47:38 Apparently that was a big mistake they made.

02:47:40 That was something that they learned when they went to,

02:47:44 I think Elon Musk talked about this when he went to China.

02:47:46 Like what was the biggest mistake

02:47:47 that they made during the pandemic?

02:47:48 They put people on ventilators.

02:47:50 Apparently that fucks you up.

02:47:52 And some high number of people,

02:47:54 like 80% or something like that,

02:47:55 people who got put on ventilators died.

02:47:58 As opposed to most of the people that get it,

02:47:59 it's not that high.

02:48:01 Especially amongst healthy people

02:48:03 and definitely not amongst children.

02:48:06 It's very low amongst children.

02:48:07 So when they did that, it was just like,

02:48:09 what are you doing?

02:48:10 You're just putting people on ventilators?

02:48:12 And they didn't know.

02:48:14 They thought they had to do it.

02:48:15 And then the vaccine comes along.

02:48:19 And when you find out that 75% of the people

02:48:21 who died from COVID have four comorbidities,

02:48:24 well, that's the problem.

02:48:26 That's the problem.

02:48:27 Comorbidities mean you're dying.

02:48:29 That's the problem.

02:48:31 But think about how much society collapsed for that thing.

02:48:35 Not good.

02:48:35 Obviously COVID is not good.

02:48:36 Obviously a tragedy.

02:48:38 Definitely sympathetic to anybody who lost someone.

02:48:40 But also, that was,

02:48:43 in terms of what could happen to the world,

02:48:46 a fairly small event,

02:48:50 in terms of what could happen,

02:48:52 like a war, like a nuclear war with Russia.

02:48:54 - Even the severity of a different pathogen.

02:48:57 - Yes, severity of a different pathogen.

02:49:00 Solar flares take out the power grid.

02:49:03 So this feeling of anxiety, like,

02:49:04 oh my God, this is not that stable.

02:49:06 That's a valid feeling.

02:49:07 It's a valid feeling.

02:49:08 Because it went so haywire just for this one thing

02:49:11 that most people wind up getting.

02:49:12 - I think it pulled the veil off of a lot of people's eyes

02:49:16 that we are in control.

02:49:18 - Right.

02:49:19 - That we have mastered mother nature.

02:49:20 - Yeah.

02:49:21 - Yes.

02:49:22 It's been so long since there's been

02:49:23 a full-scale kinetic war

02:49:26 between two countries that the people in charge

02:49:30 are a part of.

02:49:31 It's been so long since that's happened.

02:49:32 And I think there's this sense,

02:49:34 we've kind of outgrown that.

02:49:35 We're beyond that.

02:49:36 The 1940s, that was the last dying gasps

02:49:40 of this sort of brutal, tribal,

02:49:42 primitive version of humanity.

02:49:45 We're beyond that.

02:49:45 We've ascended.

02:49:46 Look, we can control the weather.

02:49:48 In Dubai, they seed the clouds.

02:49:50 We can communicate to each other

02:49:51 instantly across the internet.

02:49:52 We can have video calls.

02:49:54 We've conquered many of the diseases

02:49:56 that were going to stop us previously.

02:49:57 All of these things, look how sophisticated we are.

02:50:00 We have also overcome our nature.

02:50:01 No.

02:50:03 - Yeah.

02:50:04 - No, we haven't.

02:50:05 We haven't.

02:50:06 Our grandkids will speak to us and go like,

02:50:08 "Grandad, what was it like during 2020?

02:50:10 "Tell us, tell us.

02:50:11 "What was it like?"

02:50:12 You have to say fucking mental.

02:50:15 - Yeah.

02:50:16 - Absolutely fucking mental.

02:50:17 - Fucking mental.

02:50:18 - And I lived through it.

02:50:19 - Yeah.

02:50:20 - We all lived through it.

02:50:21 And it blows my mind.

02:50:23 And this is the thing with this ambient anxiety

02:50:27 that people have.

02:50:28 I think it causes them not only to be uncertain

02:50:33 outwardly toward the world,

02:50:35 but it's uncertain inward as well.

02:50:38 So my friend did a mushroom trip

02:50:40 and this question came to him, which I fucking love.

02:50:43 He said, "Does the world love you

02:50:45 "for who you are or for what you do?"

02:50:47 - Ooh.

02:50:48 - Does the world love you for who you are

02:50:54 or for what you do?

02:50:56 - Isn't it a more profound question

02:50:58 that you're assuming the world loves you?

02:51:00 Like why are you assuming the world loves you?

02:51:02 - Well, does the world hate you

02:51:04 for who you are or for what you do?

02:51:05 - But it's an interesting question.

02:51:06 Like it phrased it in a weird way.

02:51:08 It's almost like a trick question.

02:51:10 It's almost like if I ask you,

02:51:11 "Does your mother know you're gay?"

02:51:14 - That's, dude, let me teach you about this.

02:51:15 So that's called a Milgram question.

02:51:17 There's a name for this.

02:51:18 I learned about it.

02:51:19 It's called a Milgram question

02:51:20 after the Milgram experiments where they shocked people.

02:51:22 - Oh.

02:51:23 - So a Milgram question is where any truthful response

02:51:27 is so socially cancerous

02:51:30 that it's impossible to give a real response.

02:51:32 It forces you to comply.

02:51:34 The ultimate Milgram question would be,

02:51:36 "When did you stop beating your wife?"

02:51:38 (Ryan laughs)

02:51:40 You're like.

02:51:41 (Ryan sighs)

02:51:42 - Yeah.

02:51:43 - Another one would be, "What makes a woman attractive?"

02:51:47 - Oh.

02:51:47 - Because the socially acceptable answer to that

02:51:51 is one that is untruthful.

02:51:53 And the problem with this is-

02:51:54 - What is the socially acceptable answer to that?

02:51:55 - It would be to do with, it's about grace and poise.

02:51:58 You know, it's anything that isn't big titties.

02:52:00 (Ryan laughs)

02:52:01 Like, if you say big titties, you failed, right?

02:52:06 You can't say big titties.

02:52:08 You can't say a nice ass.

02:52:09 - Well, you can't if you're single.

02:52:10 You can't if you are worried about acquiring a mate.

02:52:14 You can't if you are of a social dynamic

02:52:16 that needs to have your job

02:52:19 and you have a human resources center that's very stringent.

02:52:22 They're very strict about what they allow their people to,

02:52:25 and it might affect your possibility

02:52:27 of getting a promotion,

02:52:29 might affect your standing amongst the women in the office.

02:52:32 You know, they don't like when you tell the truth, Chris.

02:52:35 You work with women, you can't say,

02:52:36 I think women with big asses and big tits are hot as fuck.

02:52:39 You can't say that.

02:52:40 You can't say that.

02:52:41 - That would be bad.

02:52:42 - Even though they know that it's true.

02:52:43 - Yeah.

02:52:44 - You can't be a good person.

02:52:44 You can't be a good person and even admit that.

02:52:46 That's what I'm attracted to, which is odd.

02:52:50 - When punishment for what people say becomes widespread,

02:52:56 people will stop saying what they think

02:52:59 and instead say whatever is needed to thrive.

02:53:02 - Right.

02:53:03 - And this is why limits on speech

02:53:05 become limits on sincerity.

02:53:07 - Yes.

02:53:08 - Because I'm not going to change your opinion.

02:53:09 - Right.

02:53:10 - You really think that by telling me

02:53:11 that I can't say a thing,

02:53:13 that I'm not going to think the thing?

02:53:14 - Right.

02:53:15 - I'm just not gonna say the thing

02:53:17 and think the thing in private.

02:53:18 - Right.

02:53:19 - Right?

02:53:20 So limits on speech become limits on sincerity.

02:53:22 - Yeah.

02:53:23 - And this is the issue with the Milgram question.

02:53:25 It's the issue with this circular purity spiral

02:53:27 of the firing squads online.

02:53:29 We were talking about it before,

02:53:30 this sort of toxic compassion thing.

02:53:32 This prioritization of short-term emotional comfort

02:53:35 of everybody, especially dispossessed groups,

02:53:39 over everything.

02:53:40 Truth.

02:53:41 - Yes.

02:53:42 - Long-term flourishing.

02:53:43 - Everything.

02:53:44 - Everything.

02:53:44 So perfect example of this would be

02:53:46 body weight has no bearing on health or lifespan outcomes.

02:53:50 Because you don't want to make people

02:53:51 who are overweight feel uncomfortable.

02:53:53 - Right.

02:53:54 - Even if your message of you're healthy as you are,

02:53:58 you're living your true self.

02:54:00 Even if that message causes those very people

02:54:03 to actually die sooner,

02:54:04 the short-term emotional comfort prioritization

02:54:09 sweeps everything to one side.

02:54:10 It sweeps rationality, it sweeps long-term outcomes,

02:54:12 all of that stuff.

02:54:13 Another one would be there is no advantage or benefit

02:54:17 to children growing up in a two-parent household.

02:54:20 - Right.

02:54:22 - Even if that causes teachers and parents

02:54:25 to misunderstand why their kids

02:54:27 that may come from broken homes

02:54:28 behave in the way that they do,

02:54:30 you don't want to do something or say something

02:54:33 that disparages hardworking single mothers.

02:54:36 So instead, you do the toxic compassion thing,

02:54:38 which is the prioritization of short-term emotional comfort

02:54:41 over long-term flourishing.

02:54:43 And you see this everywhere.

02:54:45 This performative empathy, toxic compassion thing,

02:54:49 the reason I think it's so prevalent online

02:54:51 is it's perfectly geared to be mimetically driven, right?

02:54:56 All that's happening.

02:54:58 If you have some harsh truth tweet,

02:55:01 some people are gonna push it

02:55:04 and it may catch fire if it's a real truth,

02:55:06 but a lot of the people that don't wanna hear that,

02:55:10 they're gonna say that you're being judgmental,

02:55:12 that you're being misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic,

02:55:14 whatever it is. - Right.

02:55:16 - But if you say something which is comforting,

02:55:18 like we need to push back against these white men,

02:55:21 like everyone can get behind that

02:55:23 because it seems empathetic.

02:55:26 It's one of the problems that anyone who isn't

02:55:28 a like hardcore card carrying liberal

02:55:30 has on the internet at the moment,

02:55:32 which is if you're not prepared to,

02:55:35 if you're going to tell people things

02:55:36 that they don't want to hear,

02:55:37 you're gonna come across like a bit of a dick

02:55:40 for quite a lot of the things that you talk about.

02:55:42 And that's not particularly good.

02:55:44 But yeah, this uncertainty, this like,

02:55:48 do people love you for who you are or for what you do,

02:55:50 I think is a really interesting question to ask ourselves

02:55:53 because it's that success and happiness thing again.

02:55:57 Are you trying to achieve happiness through success?

02:56:00 Are you trying to make the world love you,

02:56:03 to force it by promising your value,

02:56:05 by promising your validation,

02:56:07 by saying, look, I must do this.

02:56:08 But the interesting thing,

02:56:09 and this was like the second half of his mushroom trip,

02:56:12 was he asked himself, do I love me for who I am

02:56:18 or for what I do?

02:56:19 So I'm asking the world to love me for who I am,

02:56:24 because if the world loves me contingent on what I do,

02:56:27 then it feels more fragile.

02:56:28 It feels like it can be taken away from me.

02:56:30 If I stopped doing what I do, my love would also cease.

02:56:35 - Well, that's a real problem with guys

02:56:37 that are in the closet,

02:56:38 especially guys in the closet and show business.

02:56:42 - How so?

02:56:43 - Because they think the world loves them,

02:56:45 but the world loves them for a thing

02:56:48 that they're not really.

02:56:49 They're hiding their true self and they're terrified

02:56:52 the world will withdraw its love if they tell the truth.

02:56:56 - If they change.

02:56:57 - Yeah, if they come out.

02:56:58 They come out of the closet and say,

02:57:00 hey, I've been gay the whole time.

02:57:01 If you're an actor, it's a death sentence,

02:57:04 'cause you cannot play straight male roles anymore.

02:57:07 When was the last time a guy came out of the closet

02:57:10 because it was a leading man in a major blockbuster movie?

02:57:14 It's never happened.

02:57:15 It's not gonna happen.

02:57:16 - That's a really good point.

02:57:17 - Yeah, it's the one area where homophobia

02:57:19 is sort of guaranteed.

02:57:21 Leading men playing straight men in movies.

02:57:25 You do not wanna see it.

02:57:26 Nobody wants to see it.

02:57:27 It doesn't happen.

02:57:30 - That's fucking, that's broken my brain.

02:57:31 No, that's really interesting.

02:57:33 - Yeah, there's the one guy, the Doogie Howser guy.

02:57:35 What's his name?

02:57:36 Neil Patrick Harris.

02:57:38 He played in a sitcom,

02:57:39 but it was like a cartoon version of a straight man.

02:57:42 It wasn't, nobody believed it.

02:57:44 - Kevin Spacey?

02:57:46 - Kevin Spacey was in the closet.

02:57:49 He was in the closet for a long time.

02:57:51 I mean, he came out of the closet

02:57:52 when he got accused, remember?

02:57:54 That's really when he came out of the closet.

02:57:56 Everybody kinda knew he was gay.

02:57:57 People that worked with him certainly knew he was gay,

02:58:00 but I think publicly it wasn't something that he acknowledged

02:58:03 but it's a thing where, and he's an older man too.

02:58:06 It's a different sort of thing, you know?

02:58:09 But if you're a young, handsome movie star,

02:58:12 Daniel Craig type character, people find out you're gay.

02:58:15 No one wants you making out with that girl anymore.

02:58:17 I don't buy it.

02:58:18 (laughing)

02:58:19 You know? - Yeah.

02:58:20 - It's interesting.

02:58:21 It's interesting because it's that,

02:58:23 so I would imagine that if you were one of those people,

02:58:26 and I know a couple of guys that are in the closet

02:58:28 and I've encouraged one of them as a friend of mine

02:58:30 to try to come out.

02:58:31 Not a good friend.

02:58:34 He lives back in LA.

02:58:35 But he wanted to and then he would not

02:58:37 and then he'd want to and then he would not.

02:58:38 I go, "Well, if you ever do, people still love you, man.

02:58:41 "I swear to God, it's all in your head.

02:58:42 "Just don't, it'll be a huge weight relieved off you

02:58:47 "when you realize how much people just love you.

02:58:48 "They don't care.

02:58:49 "No one really cares."

02:58:50 Especially in the comedy world, God.

02:58:52 The comedy world's so open-minded.

02:58:54 Like, it's one thing.

02:58:55 Are you funny?

02:58:56 Everything else is just nonsense.

02:58:57 Like, it doesn't matter where you come from,

02:58:59 what part of the world.

02:59:00 Are you good?

02:59:01 Are you funny?

02:59:02 - If you make people laugh, then you win.

02:59:04 - And can you hang?

02:59:05 Can you cool to hang out with?

02:59:06 Or are you just like a psycho

02:59:07 that only wants to be the only one that's funny

02:59:09 and you hate everybody else who's funny?

02:59:11 There's just a few of those guys out there, too.

02:59:13 - Yeah, well, that's one of the interesting challenges,

02:59:15 I think, that no one really ever gets to see

02:59:17 about the gamesmanship that goes on behind the scenes.

02:59:20 Like, no one knows about how easy Alan Richson

02:59:24 from the new "Reacher" movie,

02:59:25 or Guy Ritchie, or someone else.

02:59:27 Like, no one knows about how easy they are to work with.

02:59:30 But, you know, there'll be guys that have been on your show

02:59:34 or been on my show or whatever.

02:59:35 You know, like, I actually quite enjoyed the episode.

02:59:38 I find them very difficult to deal with.

02:59:39 Like, they're really difficult to deal with outside of that.

02:59:41 And just, they're at a disadvantage

02:59:44 if they're not very personable,

02:59:46 if they're not really, if they don't respond

02:59:49 in a timely manner, whatever.

02:59:51 - They don't understand the dynamics or imbalance

02:59:53 between a famous person and a person

02:59:55 trying to talk to the famous person.

02:59:56 - Absolutely, all of these things, right?

02:59:58 And you're like, well, that puts you at a disadvantage.

03:00:00 But that's not anything that's ever gonna be front of house.

03:00:03 - Right.

03:00:04 - And, you know, you saw this with a number

03:00:06 of the late night show hosts recently

03:00:08 that kind of the tide came back in

03:00:12 and who was swimming naked or swimming

03:00:15 with a whip in their hand or, you know,

03:00:16 being mean to the people that they worked with.

03:00:18 That kind of got shown.

03:00:20 And this, again, it's that toxic compassion thing.

03:00:22 And this comes full circle to what we were talking about.

03:00:25 You were saying a lot of people assume

03:00:28 kind of the worst of intentions.

03:00:30 Here's a little morsel of something,

03:00:31 and oh, that's them being a really bad person.

03:00:36 I think that that's because deep down,

03:00:38 a lot of the people doing the performative empathy,

03:00:40 toxic compassion thing know that they're projecting a lie.

03:00:44 They know that they aren't being truthful,

03:00:48 that if someone did open the cupboard

03:00:50 and have a look inside, that it's full of disgusting,

03:00:52 scary lies and fakery and persona and all this stuff.

03:00:57 So they assume that theory of mind

03:00:58 for everybody else as well.

03:00:59 - Right.

03:01:01 - They can't imagine a world in which

03:01:03 this slight slip up by somebody

03:01:05 couldn't be indicative of their entire personality

03:01:08 because they themselves know that this super cutesy,

03:01:11 sweetsy, toxic compassion, performative empathy front

03:01:15 is just that, that if you poked it hard enough,

03:01:18 there would be a hole and you'd find out

03:01:20 that it was hollow inside.

03:01:21 - Yeah, I think obviously all of that

03:01:26 is accentuated by social media.

03:01:27 And unfortunately, when I really extrapolate,

03:01:31 when I really look forward,

03:01:32 I think the way out of this is mind reading.

03:01:35 This is what I'm really concerned with.

03:01:37 I'm really concerned with the way out of this

03:01:40 being some sort of new level of integration

03:01:44 that we're all gonna enjoy because of technology.

03:01:45 - Neuralink type stuff?

03:01:46 - Mm-hmm, yeah.

03:01:48 And that that would be really a solution

03:01:50 to all that ails us in terms of,

03:01:52 it would be like Snap Map times a billion.

03:01:55 It would be crazy.

03:01:56 Everyone would know everything about everybody's thoughts.

03:01:58 But then it would be that thing like,

03:01:59 hey, what do you got to hide?

03:02:01 You know, there's gonna be a lot of dummies

03:02:02 that are gonna go along with that.

03:02:03 But you're gonna find out how fucking insane

03:02:05 a lot of people are too,

03:02:06 if you can actually look into their mind

03:02:07 and see the wiring.

03:02:08 - Well, I bet that the people who are out front,

03:02:12 the most empathetic, kind, loving, caring people,

03:02:16 they are going to be,

03:02:17 they would be first on my list for,

03:02:20 get inside that guy's mind.

03:02:22 Have a look at what he's doing

03:02:23 because I think that he's probably a piece of shit.

03:02:25 - He might be.

03:02:26 - Yeah, well, anyone that's working that hard

03:02:27 to be like, look at how nice I am.

03:02:30 Look at how completely unfettered snow,

03:02:32 completely untouched, all of this stuff.

03:02:35 - It's always like the male feminists

03:02:37 or like some of the biggest creeps.

03:02:38 - Sneaky fuckers.

03:02:39 Fucking hell.

03:02:40 Have you been observing,

03:02:41 or have you been seeing this skew of young boys to the right

03:02:44 and young girls to the left

03:02:46 in terms of their political perspective?

03:02:49 Dude, I think that will be the story of 2024.

03:02:53 I think that's the story of this year.

03:02:56 This huge breaking of young Gen Z males,

03:03:02 teenage boys mostly to the right

03:03:04 and of girls really sharply to the left.

03:03:07 - Yeah, you know what's going to change that?

03:03:09 An actual hot war.

03:03:10 Everybody will go right over, right back over.

03:03:13 - You think?

03:03:14 - Yeah, when the ladies need,

03:03:15 they need men to take care of them

03:03:16 and that the men that have joined their side

03:03:18 are all cowards and they're going to cry.

03:03:20 Yeah.

03:03:21 Yeah, they go to the other side quick.

03:03:23 - There's a lot of news stories at the moment

03:03:25 about left-leaning girls struggling to find a guy

03:03:29 that they're attracted to.

03:03:31 Like, you know, none of the guys I'm dating

03:03:33 want to hold the door open for me

03:03:35 and none of them really want to pay for dinner.

03:03:36 And he's got that, that's called a conservative.

03:03:38 - Yeah.

03:03:39 - Like that's called someone who's right wing.

03:03:40 - Yeah, you're looking for all your cake

03:03:42 and you want to eat it too.

03:03:43 - Yeah, but because people date

03:03:45 within their political sphere, typically,

03:03:48 it's not just a political crisis,

03:03:50 it's a mating crisis as well.

03:03:52 You know, I think one--

03:03:53 - It's a behavior crisis.

03:03:53 - One third of Democrat parents say

03:03:55 that they would be afraid of their son or daughter

03:03:57 dating a Republican.

03:03:59 - Wow.

03:04:00 - You've got this assortative mating thing,

03:04:02 but going forward into the political cycle this year,

03:04:05 I think that you're going to see,

03:04:07 not only is it a political war, but it's a gender war too.

03:04:10 - It's gonna be a lot of fun for us, buddy.

03:04:13 - We're gonna have lots to talk about.

03:04:14 - We're gonna have lots to talk about.

03:04:15 It's gonna be like, what a harvest we have coming up.

03:04:17 Like, we're farmers.

03:04:19 If we were growing pumpkins, it's a banner year, buddy.

03:04:21 Look at those fucking pumpkins.

03:04:23 What a year.

03:04:25 Chris, you're an awesome guy to talk to.

03:04:26 I really appreciate you, man.

03:04:28 And I really enjoy your show.

03:04:29 Tell everybody where to watch it.

03:04:31 Your set's amazing.

03:04:32 The set you set up in LA is really cool too.

03:04:33 - Thank you.

03:04:34 We're working hard with this.

03:04:35 I really appreciate, you've been super kind,

03:04:38 super supportive, so I very much appreciate that.

03:04:41 Modern Wisdom, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

03:04:42 wherever else you listen.

03:04:43 - It's a really good show.

03:04:44 I really, really enjoy it.

03:04:45 You're such a great conversationalist,

03:04:48 and so many of the topics are so well covered.

03:04:51 It's just a really solid show, man.

03:04:53 - I really appreciate you.

03:04:54 - My pleasure, I appreciate you too.

03:04:55 - Hell yeah.

03:04:56 - Welcome to Texas, motherfucker.

03:04:57 - We did it.

03:04:58 - I'm glad you got a Camaro.

03:04:59 (laughing)

03:05:00 - Bye everybody.

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