Aiteraz Hai | Aniqa Nisar | ARY News | 18th February 2024

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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar

Guests:
- Omar Ayub Khan PTI
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)

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02:48 We decided to sit in opposition even in Punjab, despite the fact that if we had got the votes, if we had got the seats and if the results had not changed, then we would have been in the centre with 180 seats today.
03:02 What has changed in these two days that the matter has reached the government from the opposition? Between 15th February and 18th February, something happened. At one place it is being said that Mr. Khan has said that if we sit in opposition, then we will sit in opposition and now to sit in government, Mr. Umar Ayub, the candidate for Pakistan's Justice Movement of the Prime Minister is also in front.
03:25 Along with this, the same demand, once again the demand for inquiry which was raised by Mr. Umar Ayub, Barrister Gauhar has also put a stamp on the same demand, listen to that too.
03:36 Pakistan's Justice Movement has only one demand, that the results should be declared according to Form 45. Our situation has been supported, the way the commissioner of Rawalpindi has done a press conference yesterday. Therefore, Pakistan's Justice Movement demands that there should be a judicial commission on this and there should be an inquiry.
03:56 So, we will talk about what is going to happen in this situation. Mr. Umar Ayub is present with us, he is also the senior leader of Pakistan's Justice Movement and he is also the candidate for the Prime Minister. Thank you very much Mr. Umar, you joined us. It is a pleasure having you in the program.
04:08 Mr. Umar Ayub, let me clarify that on 15th February, you said that you are ready to sit in opposition, you are ready to sit in opposition in Marcas and you are ready to sit in opposition in Punjab. And now it is being said that we will make a government, if Pakistan's Justice Movement becomes a government, you will be the Prime Minister.
04:24 What happened between 15th to 18th February that Pakistan's Justice Movement decided to go from opposition to government?
04:33 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful. Thank you very much for joining us in this program. There is no difference.
04:39 Mr. Parashar Sahib is also saying what I am saying. Basically, I said that we have the numbers game and we will contest it and we will do it in the provinces and in the Marcas.
04:52 God forbid, if something like this happens and this is a part of the election process, then obviously one party sits in the government and the other sits in the opposition. But our aim is that we will make a government.
05:04 We have the numbers game. We have it under Form 47 of 180 members. And during this time, the assembly meeting has not been called yet. So many more revelations will come, more people will explode, like Commissioner Rawalpindi Kal, Liaquat Chatha Sahib, who broke the whole story and all the truth came out.
05:26 We have about 7-8 members in Peshawar, who were wrongly issued by Deputy Commissioner Peshawar. Similarly, we have many other members who were wrongly issued by them.
05:44 We have the MPP, who did a press conference in Marriott two days ago. You can see the MQM, they have used Form 47 to bribe PTI, not bribe, but bribe, and they have sent 18 seats of ours, including Karachi and Hyderabad.
06:01 They have hit the stick there, we will recover that too. And all those seats are where Form 45 is present. And only and only Form 47 is a wrong issue and it is due to a pen. And it can be fixed in two hours, God willing.
06:21 But clarify this thing, Mr. Umar Ayub, that on one hand, you say that we will be in a race for government, at this time, you have 93 seats. In this situation, will you go to the government with any party?
06:37 You are saying that everything can be changed with a pen and a stick, that will come later. But you and PTI are repeatedly saying one thing, that just like Commissioner Rawalpindi spoke, many other people have come forward.
06:49 Do you have any such conversation or news that a government officer from another area will rise and say that yes, there was a strike and Pakistan was winning the movement for justice?
07:00 More will rise, God willing, and you will see that in the next few days, many people's minds will awaken, God willing, and they will book that thing themselves.
07:07 Because this is such a thing, see, this is the matter of nature, that many people, political scholars used to say, a few months ago, that PTI is over, God forbid, there will be no polling agent for PTI, there will be no candidates.
07:23 All things happened, it was impossible, and we showed our superiority in 180 seats, and now you will see that where this post-poll rigging, that is, after the election, this is also coming forward, and people's minds are awakening.
07:40 And they say that we do not want to sit in this process. It is very difficult, you know, that you have 60,000-70,000 votes, you have to back a man or woman, people see their hereafter, people know that someone has to go to the grave.
07:57 There are very brave people who tolerate this thing, but if someone does this in the world, then the world itself shows him the Lord of Honor and shows him very badly.
08:07 Sir, the thing you are saying that many people's minds will awaken and it is very difficult to put their minds to sleep, from which area will their minds awaken? Is Pakistan in contact with Tehreek-e-Insaf?
08:17 No, not at all, we have no contact with them, I am saying this to the patient, I have complete faith in my nature, in the Lord of Honor, and God willing, you will see that an impossible task will also come forward.
08:30 Impossible task, what will that impossible task be, Mr. Omar Ayub?
08:35 That mission impossible, you understand, people used to tell us that how will the PTI election go, it was an impossible task for us and it was put in front of us and we won, Alhamdulillah.
08:46 Similarly, this task will also be seen by us, God willing, we will show you by winning.
08:53 Will these people wake up from KPK or from Punjab, whose minds will awaken, you are saying that they are in the process of awakening their minds, from which area will they wake up?
09:04 Because Punjab is important in KPK, you are in the position of free hope, so from where will they wake up?
09:09 They will wake up from many places, you will see, God willing.
09:14 Very interesting, now Mr. Omar Ayub, those Jamaats with whom you had a conversation and then the conversation stopped and after stopping, you had a conversation with someone else.
09:26 There was a talk about MWM, that there is a session of MWM, with that maybe Pakistan will be connected to Tehreek-e-Insaf.
09:32 That talk has been completely cancelled, it has been finished, there is no possibility of it going forward?
09:39 Till tomorrow or day after tomorrow, everyone will come in front of you, all these Jamaats are very respectable for us, who have supported us in a very difficult time.
09:47 In which there is MWM, in which there is Sunni-te-ihad, in which your Jamaat is Islamic, all these Jamaats are respectable for us, who are supporting us in a difficult time.
09:57 Right, from these very Jamaats, there was a talk of Jamaat-e-Islami, and your matters with Jamaat-e-Islami were decided very closely,
10:06 off the record, I was talking to an important leader of Jamaat-e-Islami, who was also a part of this whole process,
10:12 he told me that first, Jamaat-e-Islami talked about unconditional constitutional support, then a committee was formed,
10:19 then a talk was held about Marqaz and KPK, then Pakistan went to Tehreek-e-Insaf to say to Jamaat-e-Islami that we don't need you in Marqaz, we will go with you in KPK.
10:27 After that, another committee was formed, before that, you were also a part of that committee, after that, the committee was formed with Asad Omar.
10:35 Then, yesterday, the committee met with the Shura of Jamaat-e-Islami, and all the responsibilities were given to Ameer Jamaat-e-Islami.
10:42 His opinion, of Jamaat-e-Islami, is that basically, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf took a U-turn,
10:49 Marqaz and KPK were being discussed, and he said that we don't need you in Marqaz.
10:54 Is this right? Are the matters that have been broken with Jamaat-e-Islami, or the matter of forming a government with them,
11:03 is it because Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf wanted to form a government with Jamaat-e-Islami on both sides, and now?
11:08 No, I don't want to comment on this, but Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's opinion is very clear, and this is our nature, I will not comment on this.
11:19 No, but how far has the matter reached, Omar Ayub Sahib, I had taken the name of Asad Omar Sahib, I had to take your name,
11:27 and till now, is the matter with Jamaat-e-Islami still going on, or has it stopped?
11:33 No, the matter is with our different parties, and by tomorrow or day after tomorrow, everything will be clear, Inshallah.
11:39 Okay, now there is another news, Omar Ayub Sahib, that is very important, Sunni Ijtihad,
11:46 in NA-104, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's backed independent, basically, son of Mohammad Hamid Raza Sahib, won by 1,28,687 votes,
12:00 and after that, Raja Ria Sahib's son. Is the matter with Sunni Ijtihad still going on, or is it finalizing?
12:09 Give some clarity, a lot of people are watching you, and they are eager to know, that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, when will it sit?
12:16 You are giving a lot of excuses, Omar Ayub Sahib, how much time is left in tomorrow, not even 2 hours, 1.5 hours, tell us now.
12:24 By tomorrow, Inshallah, you wait, by day after tomorrow, everything will be clear.
12:29 So, should I agree with Sunni Ijtihad, Omar Sahib?
12:33 Yes, there are different parties here, and by day after tomorrow, you wait, and the viewers, Inshallah, our supporters are also there,
12:39 by day after tomorrow, everything will be clear, Inshallah.
12:43 So, from tomorrow, it has gone to day after tomorrow?
12:46 By day after tomorrow, everything will be clear, Inshallah.
12:49 Okay, the matters with PTIP, which Omar Ayub Sahib started, the discussion started, how did these matters start?
13:00 PTIP was a faction, which broke with PTI, got separated under the leadership of Parvez Khattak,
13:05 and now under the leadership of Ali Amin Gandapur, what is happening over there?
13:10 Over there, Parvez Khattak and Mehmood Khan have resigned from PTIP, and due to various technical reasons,
13:19 like we said, Parvez Khattak and Mehmood Khan were the minus of different parties,
13:25 we were watching this, we were watching different structures, and we are still watching,
13:30 like I said, by day after tomorrow, everything will be clear.
13:33 I want to go beyond day after tomorrow, but you are really waiting for day after tomorrow,
13:38 I am trying to somehow get some news from you, can you go to the centre with PTIP, Omar Sahib?
13:44 Let's be a little open over here.
13:47 You wait for day after tomorrow, it will be better.
13:52 Okay, tell me, after the resignation of Parvez Khattak and Mehmood Khan,
13:57 PTIP has become acceptable for you, right?
14:00 Because I heard that there are still many people in KPK who are skeptical,
14:04 they are not accepting PTIP.
14:06 Is the acceptability there?
14:08 A party is a vessel, it can be yours from people, from individuals.
14:12 PTIP was already there before Parvez Khattak and Mehmood Khan got separated,
14:21 and that is a vessel, on which you go and ride or use it,
14:28 so that is a separate thing.
14:31 But basically, Parvez Khattak and Mehmood Khan are separate,
14:35 we were watching that, we definitely saw that, we studied it technically,
14:40 but like I said, by tomorrow or day after tomorrow, everything will be clear.
14:44 Okay, we are going to technicalities, Omar Sahib, so let's go to the Election Act as well.
14:49 Because according to the Election Act, the Jamaat that has given the list of reserved seats,
14:55 that same Jamaat will be able to take reserved seats.
14:58 So is it going to a Jamaat that has given reserved seats?
15:04 Because I was looking at the list of reserved seats, and Jamaats-e-Islami is also coming in it.
15:08 I did not see Sunni Ittihad, Omar Ayub Sahib.
15:14 Wait for tomorrow and day after tomorrow, everything will be clear.
15:19 Okay, then tomorrow and day after tomorrow.
15:21 Okay, tell us about the Pakistan People's Party, Omar Ayub Sahib,
15:24 because if you have 93 seats at this time, and everything does not change to 180,
15:33 or even 150, then you will have to sit with a Jamaat.
15:37 So which Jamaat will be acceptable to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf?
15:43 Neither the Pakistan People's Party, nor the Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
15:47 These two will not be.
15:49 Can MQM be?
15:51 No.
15:53 MQM cannot be either.
15:55 We are very clear in this matter, I will tell you the reason for this.
16:00 Muslim League Noon, Pakistan People's Party, these two Jamaats,
16:04 and MQM as well, which is sitting in the upper centre, and in the province as well,
16:09 they were attacked by the Pakistan People's Party, and they have put Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
16:15 on the wall, and the most important thing that we cannot forget,
16:20 they have raped our workers, they have raped and kidnapped our police officers,
16:25 we can never forget that.
16:27 And how can we ignore our colleagues who have made so many sacrifices.
16:35 And along with that, MQM, as I told you earlier,
16:40 there are 18-19 seats in Sindh, and they have taken them through Dhandle
16:45 through Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
16:47 So, the answer is no, we cannot sit with them.
16:51 So with whom can you sit, Mr. Umar Ayub, with 93 seats?
16:55 With whom will the government make?
16:57 They are still 93, you will see, God willing, they will increase,
17:02 and we will have the capacity and numbers that we have quoted,
17:06 and we have told you about the seats of 181, we will show you that,
17:10 and I will also say that the government that you see,
17:15 the People's Party or Muslim League Noon, they will be stabbing each other in the back.
17:20 But they will stab after they make a government, if you say they will stab.
17:25 They are doing it now, they are doing it by suppressing.
17:30 You see that their government will not be made, but number-wise, Mr. Umar Ayub,
17:33 their government is being made, and still we are understanding.
17:36 You are saying again and again that your numbers will increase,
17:39 but this is right now a hypothetical situation.
17:42 If they don't happen, then what?
17:44 In a hypothetical situation, we should see what numbers the People's Party and PMLN have.
17:51 They are stabbing each other in the back, they are betraying each other,
17:55 and you see, they cannot make it.
17:58 Pakistan will become a country of justice.
18:00 The numbers will also be ours, God willing.
18:02 I want to understand how the numbers will be.
18:04 Neither will you sit with Pakistan, nor with the People's Party, nor with the PMLN,
18:07 there are small parties left behind, some independents are left.
18:11 Notification.
18:13 Notification has not been done yet.
18:16 You will see, God willing.
18:18 The things you see now, the reversals will start very soon.
18:21 And you.
18:23 And who are you looking at for these reversals?
18:27 You will do it yourself.
18:28 Your pressure is going to be so high.
18:31 This pressure is coming from within the system, from within your bureaucracy.
18:36 There is unbridled psychological pressure on people.
18:39 In English, they say that they should do the right thing.
18:42 Their conscience is blaming them.
18:45 People are under a lot of mental duress.
18:48 The way this pressure has been put on them, they are not able to tolerate it.
18:52 There is a conscience, isn't there?
18:55 Umar Ayub, there are many people who have a conscience that has not awakened yet.
18:58 So, to put a pillow on their conscience, or to try to shoot a gun on their shoulders,
19:02 can that be possible? Practically?
19:05 We have done it.
19:07 And we have complete faith in God.
19:10 And as I said before, the mission was impossible.
19:13 How will the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf move forward in this system?
19:17 And we have moved forward with the grace and help of God.
19:22 And in very difficult circumstances, where our pride was snatched away,
19:25 our symbol was snatched away, our people were raped,
19:29 I did not go even for a day.
19:31 And with the grace of God, I got 193,000 votes and I was lead by 81,000.
19:37 I did not attend a single gathering.
19:39 Our team, our women, our relatives, everyone campaigned.
19:44 I was not there.
19:46 There were many other people on the same side.
19:49 Umar Ayub, I want to go to the break, but before going to the break, I will try again.
19:52 Jamaat-e-Islami, PTIP, Sunni Ittihad, MWMS,
19:55 please put aside two Jamaats from this list, that they did not get united.
19:58 Let the two Jamaats be. Let us keep a little bit of a gap, let us clarify a little bit.
20:01 Tomorrow, day after tomorrow.
20:03 Let us talk about the day after tomorrow.
20:05 Please put aside two Jamaats.
20:08 Tomorrow and day after tomorrow, everything will be clear in front of you.
20:12 You are not saying two Jamaats, you are saying two days.
20:14 Thank you very much, Umar Ayub, for joining me in the program.
20:17 We will take the discussion to another level.
20:20 On one hand, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is trying to make this government.
20:23 On the other hand, what is the People's Party and PMLN doing?
20:26 After a break.
20:28 Welcome back, after the break.
20:32 Before going to the break, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
20:34 And now, another situation is developing.
20:37 On one hand, a strange deadlock was formed.
20:41 Till yesterday, whether the government of Pakistan People's Party and PMLN will be formed or not,
20:46 there was a lot of confusion about this.
20:48 But now, it has become clear that the Pakistan People's Party,
20:53 with its certain conditions, with the conditions of Pakistan Muslim League,
20:57 the matters that it was trying to resolve, have moved forward.
21:00 Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has also pointed out the things that were not acceptable.
21:05 Let us listen to what he has to say.
21:07 I have been told that first give us three years.
21:13 After that, you become the Prime Minister.
21:16 No, no, no, no, I have forbidden this.
21:19 I do not want to become the Prime Minister in this way.
21:22 If I become the Prime Minister, then the people of Pakistan will elect me.
21:26 So, yesterday, we were talking about the two and a half years of government in our program.
21:30 That was completely rejected by Pakistan People's Party, by Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
21:34 But, there was a breakthrough in the deadlock.
21:39 Khawaja Asif has shared the good news of the breakthrough for PMLN and People's Party.
21:44 It is the Federal Government's decision.
21:46 Yesterday evening, we said that something has happened.
21:49 Once again, we are going to the coalition government, to the Federal Government.
21:52 The talks are being held between PMLN and People's Party.
21:55 One party will be for three years, and then the other party will be for two years.
21:59 These proposals have not yet taken a final form.
22:04 In the recent media coverage, they have said that we have reached a solution.
22:10 It is clear that the MQM, People's Party and PMLN will form a government together in the Federal Government.
22:17 Now, all the political parties seem to be disappointed by these elections.
22:22 Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf have come forward openly.
22:26 But, Pakistan Muslim League and People's Party do not seem to be completely happy with these elections.
22:33 There can be two ways to solve this problem.
22:34 One way is to go towards a popularization.
22:37 The other way is to sit in the Parliament and try to solve this issue in a parliamentary way.
22:43 Pakistan People's Party has decided to adopt a different method.
22:48 Let's listen to Bilawul Bhutto Zardari.
22:50 I do not have the right to call myself a candidate for PM.
22:59 We have decided that when we see that Pakistan is burning,
23:04 and there is a fire in the morning,
23:08 we have decided to put out that fire.
23:13 We have decided to raise the slogan of Pakistan Khappe once again.
23:18 Everyone has to raise the slogan of Pakistan Khappe.
23:22 Because if there is Pakistan, there is politics.
23:24 And if there is politics, there is democracy.
23:27 And to make things right, a lot of things are happening.
23:31 The political parties are saying that if we do not come, no one will come.
23:35 Interestingly, there is a protest going on in Sindh about Pakistan People's Party
23:40 that they have stolen the GDA mandate.
23:43 But on the other hand, Pakistan People's Party is not only accusing PMLN and MQM,
23:49 but also accusing Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf that they were made to win.
23:55 This is also what Bilawal Bhutto Zardari said. Listen.
23:57 I have such a form 45 where my form 45 has won the hope of Pakistan People's Party.
24:07 But the announcement has been of some Muslim League Nawaz,
24:11 and the announcement of some United National Movement.
24:14 There is a place where my JL has won in form 45.
24:21 But in the end, Khan's free candidate has been made to win.
24:27 Now what should I do about this?
24:29 Should I divide this country further?
24:32 Should I set my own house on fire?
24:35 Now, what Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is saying about this protest,
24:41 Khwaja Saad Rafiq has also given a hint that if the issues of National Assembly and Assembly are not resolved immediately,
24:50 then the situation will only get worse.
24:54 Interestingly, being the PMLN's leader, he also gave an interesting statement about the victory of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's independence.
25:03 We can't successfully fight the poisonous propaganda of Imran Khan and his supporters.
25:10 Where you win, there is no democracy.
25:13 No commissioner has a role in the election process.
25:16 Imran Khan has to leave the politics of hatred.
25:19 There should be a grand national dialogue.
25:20 In the upcoming National Assembly, the majority of the candidates are supported by the DTI.
25:24 We have accepted that the government is not in the Muslim League.
25:28 The National Assembly should be called as soon as possible.
25:31 People are in a lot of pain.
25:33 Today, the Indian National Assembly is facing a lot of challenges.
25:36 The storm will get deeper.
25:38 Decisions should be taken soon.
25:40 Decisions should be taken soon.
25:42 The storm will get deeper.
25:44 This is what the people of Pakistan are facing.
25:47 Senior Analyst, thank you for joining us.
25:49 At this time, all political parties can be adopted in two directions.
25:55 Either of protest, or of problems or of Parliament.
26:01 It seems that all the parties understand that they will have to go to the Parliament.
26:06 Who will make the government and how?
26:08 All these things will be clear.
26:11 Do you think that even after sitting in the Parliament, the polarization in politics will be able to solve the problems?
26:19 Will the situation calm down?
26:22 Or will it lead to more unrest?
26:25 The solution to the problems will be in the Parliament.
26:30 Whatever will happen will happen in the Parliament.
26:33 Things will not be settled until a government is formed through the Parliament.
26:39 But the way we are going to the Parliament, the path we have chosen,
26:43 the path that will lead to the future can be difficult.
26:47 Bilawal Sahib, you are saying that we are talking about the Pakistan Khapa and that is a good thing.
26:52 But what did he say during this election campaign?
26:56 What did he say about Nawaz Sharif?
26:58 He said that he is responsible for all the destruction that has happened in this country.
27:03 He called him a "blood-sucking lion".
27:07 On the other hand, he was called a "bad boy" who bought votes.
27:10 How will they work together and how long will they work together?
27:14 He says that the people did not vote for him to become the Prime Minister.
27:19 So which people voted for his father to become the President?
27:23 They will make Shahbaz Sharif the Prime Minister, but they will not bring their own ministers with their votes.
27:30 But they will make their father the President.
27:33 There are many things in this where you see personal interests.
27:37 But whatever government is formed in the current situation, I do not think it will be very suitable.
27:44 Although we all want a suitable government, but I do not see it being formed.
27:50 In this situation, if these communities are forming, the government is forming, they have clarified.
27:56 So far, there are only 93 seats with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
28:00 As Omar Ayub was saying, we will reach 180 seats.
28:03 But that is a hypothetical situation. We are not so sure about that.
28:06 Until then, the government of Pakistan Muslim League Noon and People's Party is decided.
28:09 MQM is also with them.
28:11 In your opinion, such a government which was formed 16 months before the PDM,
28:16 even if the ministries do not take Pakistan People's Party, it will still have a good reputation.
28:20 I mean, all the positions will be of Pakistan People's Party.
28:23 How stable or stable will such a government be in itself as a government?
28:29 It is very important that Pakistan People's Party says that we are forming a government of Shabaz Sharif.
28:38 So, basically, that government will be formed by the votes of Pakistan People's Party.
28:42 But on the other hand, they are not ready to accept that this will be our government.
28:46 Because they say that we will not go and participate in the cabinet.
28:50 We do not want to bear the burden.
28:53 They do not want to bear the burden of the government of their own alliance.
28:57 Will that government be able to bear the burden of Pakistan?
29:00 Will it be able to bear the burden of all these political situations?
29:03 Will it be able to bear the burden of economic situations?
29:05 And secondly, which new team will they bring in the economic field or in other fields?
29:11 Who will come and make a change here?
29:13 Will it be Mr. Saqdar or some other person?
29:16 This government has already done this.
29:18 This is basically an action replay of the same government.
29:22 So, I think the main issue is that they should either openly say that we are forming a government.
29:28 Our majority has been formed.
29:30 We will all form a government together and we will take things forward.
29:33 They are saying that we have to do it, but we do not have to do it.
29:36 When they themselves are so confused, they themselves are not expressing their trust in a way,
29:41 then what trust will that government give to others?
29:44 They will sit outside and give it to some survivor.
29:46 Probably, eyeing towards the long term politics as well.
29:50 But if we look at it from the flip side, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is also claiming that they will form a government.
29:55 Many issues will be resolved under Form 45 and 47.
29:59 Then we will have more sessions and then we will form our own government.
30:02 At this time, PTIP, Jamaat-e-Islami, MWM, Sunni-Itihad, the matter of MWM is left behind.
30:07 They are also talking to all of them.
30:09 Do you see Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf forming a government in any way?
30:15 I will add a small thing to this current situation.
30:18 I am saying that a government that cannot trust itself and others, how will it trust others?
30:24 The second thing is that as far as Tehreek-e-Insaf is concerned,
30:27 I do not think that they are in a position to form a government at the moment.
30:32 And neither will they form a government with the Pakistan People's Party.
30:36 Yes, there is one situation.
30:38 They are going around with Form 45.
30:40 According to Form 45, they have a lot of seats.
30:44 They claim that if there are any decisions in the future where they get extra seats,
30:49 30-40 seats more, then they will be able to form a government in that situation.
30:54 But then they will have to see which Jamaat they are part of.
30:58 Because you know that they are not present in the form of a Jamaat at the moment.
31:02 The decision that came, the one with the flag.
31:04 So I am having some problems for them.
31:07 I think that the priority of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf will be to form a government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
31:13 And then let the PDM-2 government be formed here.
31:16 And then when we will be present in the Assembly,
31:19 we can bring in-house changes in the future.
31:22 And we can create such circumstances that the country may have to go towards mid-term elections.
31:27 Very interesting. We will go to the break.
31:29 After the break, we will continue the discussion.
31:31 Because obviously, a Jamaat will be formed.
31:33 Whoever has formed a government, now the Pakistan Muslim League Moon
31:35 and the government of the People's Party will be formed.
31:37 How much trust will it give to this?
31:39 The same question that we started with, we will continue it after the break.
31:42 Welcome back after the break.
31:43 Before the break, we were discussing that basically,
31:47 all the circumstances need to be stabilized.
31:50 And in stabilization, there is one more very important thing,
31:53 which is the stabilization of the economy.
31:55 Now, all the Jamaats, whoever will form a government,
31:59 their first task will be the stabilization of the economy.
32:03 And Mr. Atharghazmi, we know that the last time,
32:06 the 16-month government that was formed,
32:08 the biggest bone of contention was in that.
32:11 That in 16 months, if the economy was stabilized,
32:13 then the government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
32:16 would have been called a blessing.
32:18 But that could not happen.
32:20 So, what difference will there be in this government,
32:23 in this regard, in which we say that economic stabilization will come,
32:27 a normal person, all the political parties will be removed
32:30 and stabilization will come in the house.
32:32 Look, this is a very important question.
32:35 If you are also a member of Tehreek-e-Insaf,
32:39 if you see the government of Tehreek-e-Insaf as your own,
32:41 then even in that era, the people were not very happy
32:44 in terms of the economy.
32:46 And this was the reason that there was talk of inflation,
32:48 and they lost a lot of elections.
32:51 And when the PDM government came,
32:53 and after that, we saw that as inflation increased,
32:56 we saw that the price of everything went up,
32:59 and things could not be handled.
33:01 Now, when these people came to power,
33:03 they made big claims.
33:05 Someone said that we have a plan of hundreds of billions of dollars,
33:08 someone said that if I come, the dollar will go down,
33:10 but nothing of this sort happened.
33:13 Now, the problem is that we have seen these people for 16 months,
33:17 now no one is understanding what they will do in the next 5 years
33:21 that they could not do in 16 months.
33:24 The current state of the country is that how much investment is coming from abroad,
33:28 that is also in front of us,
33:30 the IMF plan is also in front of us,
33:33 so I think it will be very difficult
33:37 until the FDI does not increase,
33:39 foreign direct investment,
33:41 and a suitable government will not give a clear message to the world
33:45 that we are ready here, you come, you also invest,
33:49 they will have to look at their policies.
33:51 And second, Anika, one thing that we ignore a lot,
33:54 where the country is in such a difficult situation,
33:56 the people are in such a difficult situation,
33:58 believe me, the expenses of Ashrafiya are not decreasing.
34:00 Our supervisory government,
34:02 how many foreign trips has Mr. Kakkar made,
34:04 was there a need for that?
34:06 Apart from that, look at their expenses,
34:08 how many people get what,
34:10 what benefits do they get,
34:12 so that also needs to be cut.
34:14 If people will reduce their expenses from above,
34:17 give a clear message,
34:19 then the public will also tolerate something.
34:21 If the public is thinking that our uniform has not even come to power,
34:24 and they are not even tolerating the strictness,
34:26 they are also looting religion,
34:28 and all the strictness is for us,
34:30 then they say that one life or all together,
34:33 do something, I do not see that happening.
34:35 I think this will be a very big challenge.
34:37 If this happens,
34:39 If anything of Mr. Kakkar is famous or not,
34:41 his selfies are definitely famous,
34:43 the tours he did are definitely famous,
34:46 after that when he will be tenured,
34:48 many more things will come out openly,
34:50 so on the basis of SIFC,
34:52 the stabilization of our economy continued,
34:54 the matters remained stable,
34:56 in the entire caretaker setup,
34:58 otherwise in itself,
35:00 on the government of Mr. Kakkar,
35:02 or on the caretaker setup,
35:04 many more questions will come,
35:05 but last question,
35:07 now after these elections,
35:09 the government that will be formed,
35:11 whichever parliament will come,
35:13 in that parliament,
35:15 in all the political parties,
35:17 will this sanity prevail,
35:19 that I will not shake hands with him,
35:21 I will not sit with him,
35:23 Imran Khan sir used to say that I will not shake hands with any opposition leader,
35:25 vote of no confidence has happened,
35:27 okay I am going from the parliament,
35:29 KPK's assembly will be dissolved,
35:31 Punjab's assembly will be dissolved,
35:33 will our politicians stop taking the elections,
35:34 or will they continue like this?
35:36 See Anika,
35:38 it should be like this,
35:40 that you think and decide,
35:42 whatever decision you take,
35:44 see what the long term consequences will be,
35:46 but I am not able to see this happening,
35:48 we saw a glimpse of this during these elections,
35:50 now if someone does not shake hands with anyone,
35:53 people's party members do not shake hands with the non-league,
35:55 okay do not shake hands,
35:57 but agree on some basic things,
36:00 first make sure that the law and the constitution are in place,
36:05 respect the mandate of the people,
36:07 and stay within your own constitutional character,
36:10 stay within your own character,
36:12 thank you very much Atta Khan Giri sir for joining us,
36:14 one thing is decided,
36:16 the constitution, rule of law,
36:18 all these things are such that all the parties must come together,
36:20 the grand democratic dialogue,
36:22 Khwaja Saad Rafiq sir also talked about it,
36:24 the truth and reconciliation,
36:26 Shahid Khan Abbasi sir also talked non-stop,
36:29 but who will follow,
36:30 this is the question,
36:32 we will have to remove the egos,
36:34 we will have to see Pakistan first,
36:36 we cannot tolerate any other situation, period.
36:38 Anika Nisar, take care of yourself,
36:40 see you next weekend,

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