Siyasi Jor Tor.. PTI Ki Mulaqatein.. 177 Siton Ka Dawa Sher Afzal Marwatt Ka Ahem Tajzia
Siyasi Jor Tor.. PTI Ki Mulaqatein.. 177 Siton Ka Dawa Sher Afzal Marwatt Ka Ahem Tajzia
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00:00 We will keep this whole situation in front of us.
00:02 Mr. Sher Afzal Marwat is with us. He is the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:05 Thank you very much, Mr. Marwat, for joining us.
00:07 Mr. Marwat, this is a strange thing. I have only run the Maulana's sorts.
00:12 I have not run the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's leadership yet.
00:18 What is happening? How will there be unity?
00:20 Is it even a possibility, considering all the previous statements?
00:25 All the previous statements are political.
00:29 Our Jamiat Ulama-e-Islam have always had differences.
00:35 They are religiously political. We are a liberal party.
00:39 Our ideological approach is not the same.
00:43 The second reason for the differences is the personal attacks that were committed.
00:49 We did it on them and they did it on us.
00:52 This is a story of 10-12 years.
00:56 But today, if we are talking about the unity of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and Jamiat Ulama-e-Islam,
01:03 there are two or three misconceptions.
01:06 However, the unity that we have seen, there is a very simple reason for it.
01:12 The Maulana refused to form a government with Shahbaz Sharif and the People's Party.
01:20 He said that he would sit in the opposition.
01:24 This is the first thing.
01:26 The second thing he said was that he would protest against the rigging in the results.
01:33 Now, we have statements about the rigging in the results.
01:37 We also held an international media conference on this issue today.
01:40 We are going to protest against this tomorrow.
01:43 The second thing is that Mr. Khan has also withdrawn his protest.
01:48 Yesterday, when I met Mr. Khan, I was present at the press conference.
01:54 We discussed the press conference of Maulana Shahbaz Sharif.
01:57 He gave a message of goodwill to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in his own words.
02:03 This is the first time I saw Mr. Khan reciprocating.
02:08 I saw his nature as a person of goodwill.
02:14 Before this, Mr. Khan had a clear position.
02:18 He said that he would only protest against the person he had spoken against.
02:21 He did not want to go back and forth.
02:23 Although, this is what is said about Sheikh Rashid and the alliance with WMQM.
02:28 But, is he ready to reciprocate?
02:31 If the Pakistan People's Party makes any contact tomorrow, will he reciprocate?
02:37 Or is this an offer only for Maulana Shahbaz Sharif?
02:41 Sheikh Rashid has entered the category where he gave a press conference and condemned PTI.
02:48 So, the party that has condemned PTI, our allies, has condemned us.
02:57 I gave a statement on this.
02:59 When Sheikh Rashid said that he wanted PTI's support, I rejected him.
03:04 I said that this is a clear opportunity and we will field our candidates.
03:07 We did not do anything wrong with the MQM.
03:11 They, on the behest of the BJP, in April 2022, became a part of the conspiracy.
03:18 Yesterday, Maulana Shahbaz Sharif mentioned that this was done on the behest of the BJP.
03:24 Have you heard the shots that I fired on Maulana Shahbaz Sharif?
03:28 He said that this was not an external conspiracy.
03:30 This was Maulana's own conspiracy.
03:33 Was it true then or is it true now?
03:36 Maulana Shahbaz Sharif has given such statements in the past.
03:40 He claimed this.
03:42 But not today, but a few months ago he dissociated himself from PTI.
03:47 He said that the regime change that he was under, was done by the People's Party.
03:54 And even today, I think, he is saying this with great shock.
03:57 The People's Party is owning it.
03:59 The second thing is that we are not going to have any alliance with Maulana Shahbaz Sharif.
04:06 He said that he is protesting and sitting in the opposition.
04:10 We also have to protest.
04:13 So we went as a charity.
04:15 We went to him a while ago for his condolences.
04:19 He had praised the blast that took place in Bajawad.
04:22 But when Khan said that all the political forces that are in line with our narrative,
04:31 should be approached.
04:33 The three parties, People's Party, PMLN and MQM,
04:39 these are the parties that have stolen our mandate.
04:41 There could not have been any discussion with them.
04:43 Two votes were cast on this, when the People's Party tried to make a government
04:48 by taking PTI's side instead of the law.
04:52 And they reached out to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Azam.
04:55 Yes, they reached out and we presented all those things to Khan.
04:59 To what level did you talk to him?
05:01 We could not have talked to him without his permission.
05:05 However, the communication that was made,
05:09 he did not believe it.
05:12 In fact, at 11 o'clock he said that you and Hassan Qaisar are waiting for you.
05:19 It was three days ago.
05:22 That night we had a meeting with the party.
05:29 After that, we brought all these things to Khan's notice.
05:33 That this is the position of the People's Party.
05:35 If he had given permission, we might have moved forward.
05:37 But, Mr. Khan said that he does not have the power to make a government.
05:40 He said that he does not want to make a government.
05:42 Our fight is for the rule of law,
05:44 supremacy of the constitution and real freedom.
05:47 What object can we get from this,
05:49 that we sit with those who have stolen our mandate.
05:52 So, that discussion ended.
05:54 If we are still sitting with Mr. Mawlana,
05:57 then we are sitting on the point of protest.
06:00 Secondly, if he is sitting in the opposition,
06:03 and PTI nominated Umar Ayub Khan as a candidate,
06:07 then I do not think that he will vote for Shabaz Sharif.
06:11 So, there is no unity, but the discussion will continue.
06:14 The discussion will continue and we want to work out
06:18 that our meetings should at least be within the working relationship.
06:22 The time that has passed between us and JUI,
06:26 has passed completely out of the scope of the discussion.
06:31 Tell us about the Jamaat-e-Islami.
06:33 You are saying that there will be no unity with JUI,
06:36 but we want to take the matter to that extent,
06:38 that the matter does not become volatile.
06:40 What is the situation with the Jamaat-e-Islami?
06:42 Our unity with the Jamaat-e-Islami,
06:45 because their unity is possible, it has been in the past.
06:48 Is there unity or not?
06:50 You give news, you must have the news.
06:52 No, we wanted to be a part of the Jamaat-e-Islami party,
06:59 so that we can secure the reserve seats.
07:02 We are more acceptable in the Jamaat-e-Islami,
07:06 for unity and for the establishment of a government,
07:09 but unfortunately the mandate of the Jamaat-e-Islami
07:12 is not equal to that of the Parliament.
07:15 So, you will not include your independence in the Jamaat-e-Islami?
07:20 No, this decision has not been taken yet.
07:24 Apart from the Jamaat-e-Islami, the MWM is also being discussed.
07:27 The most preferred candidate would be the Jamaat-e-Islami,
07:31 if the Jamaat-e-Islami had a seat in the NAO.
07:34 If there is no seat of any party,
07:37 and they have not given a reserve list to the election commission,
07:41 although there is no requirement for this in the Article 51 Constitution,
07:45 but they have put it in the Election Act,
07:48 through which this is a requirement.
07:51 So, we cannot be more in line with these things.
07:54 We are also being criticized a lot,
07:57 that the parties we are participating in,
08:01 people are criticizing that this is a matter of spreading religious hatred in the past.
08:11 Mr. Marwa, on one hand you are saying that we wanted to make unity,
08:16 or to come to power, we wanted to use a certain seat of the Jamaat-e-Islami,
08:22 but now you are sitting in the opposition.
08:25 One question that is very important.
08:27 We are not sitting in the opposition.
08:29 No, Barrister Saif has said that. Do you deny that?
08:32 No, Barrister Saif does not know. I do not deny.
08:36 We have nominated Umar Ayub Khan for the Prime Minister.
08:41 How can we sit in the opposition?
08:43 We have a very clear stance.
08:45 We are fighting. Give us our right.
08:48 And, we have told the international media that the Election Commission and the courts have stayed with the Noon notifications till 17.
09:00 And, we are also appealing to the Supreme Court.
09:04 If they stay with the Noon notifications till 50-60, then how will the Noon make a government?
09:09 But the problem is that the People's Party, Noon, MQM, and many other independent parties,
09:16 they have some members.
09:18 They have the numbers, but we can see that.
09:20 We are talking about the legal environment.
09:22 If you are in the legal environment and someone stays, then it is a different matter.
09:25 But, how will you complete the numbers?
09:28 You have 93 candidates.
09:30 We have 97.
09:33 Number one.
09:34 Number two, if the 17 MQMs who have been nominated,
09:39 all of them have won.
09:40 They have not nominated any candidate from 5000-6000.
09:43 The question is that Mariam Aurangzeb is saying that we are taking the form 45,
09:48 but you are taking pictures and screenshots.
09:51 I have a message for Mariam Aurangzeb, Mian Nawaz Sharif, and Shabaz Sharif from Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
09:58 Tomorrow, they will bring their form 45 to the Election Commission.
10:02 We will bring our form 45.
10:04 We do not only have our own, but we have collected from all the candidates of other parties in every constituency.
10:10 And the Election Commission will need one day to get the truth.
10:15 Why have you not taken the Election Commission yet?
10:17 We have collected all the form 45 candidates from the Election Commission.
10:21 Then why are you criticizing Mariam Aurangzeb?
10:24 She has never been to the Election Commission.
10:26 She is just making a fuss.
10:27 She is saying wrong things and you are saying right things.
10:29 You have said that you have taken the form 45 to the Election Commission.
10:32 You are contradicting her statement.
10:34 I was a lawyer in 20-25 cases of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
10:39 And apart from me, there were many other lawyers who were in the same position for 120 years.
10:47 And in every case, we have said that this is form 45 and this is form 47.
10:55 Form 45 is the basic document.
10:58 On the basis of which, form 47 is made.
11:01 Thank you very much for joining us.
11:03 It was a pleasure having you.