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Out of Darkness
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Migration
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Sunderland "Til I Die"
Worst best actor winners
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00:06 Hello and welcome back to Not Everyone's a Film Critic, a vodcast or a podcast brought
00:12 to you by The Scotsman and presented by myself, Graeme Falk. I'm joined as always by Dave
00:18 Hepburn. Dave, I don't even need to write that down anymore, I'm just not off by heart
00:22 but how are you? Are you okay?
00:23 I'm doing very well. It's 10 o'clock in the morning which seems very early to be doing
00:27 this sort of stuff. I can see you've got a cup of coffee which is really required at
00:30 this time of the morning.
00:32 I do quite like the fact that I look like it is 10 o'clock in the morning as opposed
00:37 to it being 3 o'clock in the afternoon on a Friday when I look exactly the same and
00:41 just as tired. But this time I've got a bit of an excuse and I brought the coffee along
00:45 for the aesthetic. It will shock absolutely nobody that I am going to see movies this
00:52 week but I have not seen movies this week.
00:55 I believe you, Graeme.
00:56 Well, for those interested in my life, which I'm sure is everyone listening, I've just
01:02 been to the basketball, been to the football and been doing things that are not cinema-wise
01:07 and I'm kind of sad because I've only seen two films so far this month and that's really
01:13 poor for me to be honest. But I'm going to see that Ironclaw this week and we're going
01:17 to try and chuck in a couple of extra ones whilst we're there if my girlfriend is not
01:22 too tired. But I have got some TV review stuff which is good. I have had the chance to watch
01:28 TV but before I do that, obviously this is not everyone's a film critic, not everyone
01:33 likes Netflix occasionally when they're working and watching something out of the corner of
01:37 their eye critic. So Dave, tell me what have you seen this week and what should we see
01:42 this week?
01:43 I've seen hundreds of films as ever because I just go to the cinema all the time. So one
01:48 that I would like to recommend to you first of all, Graeme, big star, big recommendation
01:52 for you is Out of Darkness, which is basically a caveman horror, which is just a nice idea,
01:57 isn't it? A caveman horror. It's by a guy called Andrew Cumming, a director called Andrew
02:02 Cumming, who's from Fife. He's a Scottish director. I've not seen any of his films before
02:06 but he's clearly one to watch. This film's had a bit of a funny history in that it originally
02:10 came out at the 2022 London Film Festival and it was called The Origin and I don't think
02:17 there was a particularly good name for it. It then played at the Glasgow Film Festival
02:20 last year and it kind of disappeared but it's now got a limited cinematic release and it's
02:25 well worth looking out. It's basically about a group of Neanderthals who are looking for
02:30 a new home, literally looking for caves to live in. So they arrive in this kind of new
02:35 world and they go through this forest trying to get to some lovely warm caves and a monster
02:41 starts to stalk them and pick them off one by one. So it's a classic horror trope. Dark
02:46 woods, nice people getting picked off by a monster. What the filmmaker does really, really
02:52 well - I mean it is properly scary, like it's got some jump scares, it's got a lot of creeping
02:55 dread, it's got a really nice twist in it and it's got a very good ending - but what
02:59 he does so cleverly and why actually the title Out of Darkness is a far better title is that
03:04 the kind of monster is kind of the darkness because obviously this is a world where there's
03:07 no kind of electricity or lights or anything so the darkness is all pervading whenever
03:12 there is no moon. So there's a lovely scene early on where they really set out their stalk
03:16 where they're sitting around a campfire and one of the characters steps back from the
03:21 campfire and just disappears into darkness and you realise how thick this darkness is.
03:26 It's totally unlike anything we've probably ever experienced. It's just a really, really
03:29 clever way to set up the film and then all the way through, because of darkness you're
03:33 not entirely sure what you're seeing. The characters don't really know what the monster
03:36 looks like. You kind of make up what it looks like. There's a couple of different bits in
03:40 the film and I'd like to see it again where I thought I saw something and I'm not sure
03:43 I did. I think it was shapes in the trees or shapes made by bushes or whatever else.
03:46 So it's just a really clever film and well worth looking out for. The lead actress is
03:52 an actress called Sophia Oakley-Green and she's absolutely superb. She's just one to
03:57 watch. She won a British Independent Film Award for Best Newcomer for this film and
04:02 she so deserves it and you can see she's going to become a big deal. So that's Out of Darkness
04:08 which I highly recommend.
04:11 Because you're going to see The Iron Claw, let's not talk about The Iron Claw until next
04:14 week. We had a wee chat about it last week. I think that's the big film this week. Very
04:19 much worth seeing but we can have a chat about that next week.
04:22 So I would also like to talk about Migration which is an animated film which came out,
04:26 I think it was half term for schools last week. So all movie studios like hammering
04:31 some kind of animated film out into cinemas so it gets all of the families there. And
04:35 you know Migration I went to simply because I had a spare hour and a half, I was in town.
04:41 The beer is quite cheap in cineworlds so it was cheaper than going to a pub and I thought
04:46 I fancy a beer, I'll go and have a beer while watching a film.
04:49 Especially with a discount card, just to point that out.
04:51 25% off, not the response by cineworlds, we'd like to be, but 25% off with your black card.
04:57 It is good. Even when they're getting mad at them and they've done something and for
05:01 a while look they were poor coming back. I can criticise it now because we're past this
05:07 point but when they came back from Covid there was a lot of really bad basic mistakes they'd
05:12 made and I still couldn't get my card because I was like oh 25% off a Heineken, damn.
05:17 It's amazing, it's absolutely amazing.
05:18 They've got me again, cineworld corporations.
05:20 And it's lovely because it means that when you're a city centre why not go to the cinema.
05:24 So I fancy Migration expecting absolutely nothing. The reviews for it have been, I would
05:29 say sniffy would be the word, kind of go, you know, very average two or three star reviews.
05:34 You know what, I completely disagree with them. I loved Migration, I thought it was
05:38 great fun and I think you will too, Graham.
05:39 It's by the same guys who do the Minions, which I didn't realise. And there's a lovely,
05:45 there are Minions here, there's some appearances by Minions, there's a lovely short film at
05:51 the start which features some Minions in it which is wonderful because it's always good
05:55 to see Minions isn't it? I think we all agree that Minions are a force for good within cinema.
06:00 So there's a lovely wee short film before it, very much like Pixar do, and then the
06:04 main feature is, it's just a great story, it's about a bunch of ducks, they live in
06:08 a pond, they live a very boring life. Some fancy ducks come and visit them and go, hey,
06:13 we're off to Jamaica for our summer holidays.
06:17 - Why not?
06:18 - And basically the daddy duck says, nah, you know, I just want to stay in my pond.
06:22 But then they have a thought, but yeah, but then they have to think about it, they go,
06:25 no, you know what, we're going to change our lives, we're going to do something interesting,
06:28 we're going to go to Jamaica. They get a bit lost, they end up in New York, they make enemies
06:32 of a chef who likes to chop up and eat ducks, they meet a parrot who originally comes from
06:37 Jamaica and the parrot helps them get to Jamaica. Along the way they have all sorts of other
06:42 thrills and spills, they meet other ducks, they meet an amazing bunch of pigeons, and
06:47 these pigeons are kind of minion-y, you can see that they basically said Minions are cool,
06:51 why not make the pigeons a bit like Minions? And the pigeons are really funny as well.
06:55 It's got a great cast, it's got Elizabeth Banks, Akwafina, Kiki Michael Key, and Danny
07:01 DeVito as this kind of weird uncle duck who's a little bit sinister, a little bit odd, and
07:07 completely steals every scene that he's in as he always does, basically, Danny DeVito.
07:12 So his character is just wonderful. Maybe slightly underused, actually, Danny DeVito
07:15 in this film, because every single time he says something it's really, really funny.
07:18 But you know what, I sat in one of the big cinemas completely by myself, no one else
07:22 there, not a single other person, and I just laughed for the entire one and a half hours.
07:29 That was in Cineworlds, one of the big cinemas in Cineworlds. I've never been in one of the
07:34 big cinemas by myself before, and it was quite fun that one of the ushers came in halfway
07:39 through to make sure I wasn't dead, I think. Other than that, I didn't see anyone else
07:44 the entire time.
07:45 I was even like, oh god, he's dead.
07:46 It was really, really good. So I would totally, totally recommend Migration. And Graham, if
07:51 you're at the cinema, it's like an hour and 25 minutes or something, go and see a
07:55 Sam Kimberley film. It's just a lovely, fun animation. And I think people get a bit sniffy
07:58 and they want every animation to be a big, important film which has got adult stuff in
08:03 it, which is making a point about something. The only point in this is, you know, go out
08:08 your comfort zone a bit, have an adventure, what's the worst that can happen? You know,
08:12 don't just sit in your own ponds all your life. It's a nice message, but it doesn't
08:16 need to be more than that. So go and see it, enjoy it. All kids would love it. I think
08:21 grown-ups would love it too. Like, I really enjoyed it. And I think it's a proper family
08:24 film. So yay to Migration, and boo with film critics who are a bit sniffy about such things.
08:30 - You can go and see it in 4DX. Is it worth it in 4DX?
08:33 - I've never been to 4DX, but there's a lot of water and stuff in it. I think there's
08:36 some smoke in it. So yeah, it probably would work. And also a lot of flying in the air.
08:40 So I don't really know how such things work, but yeah.
08:43 - It's something like that. You've kind of explained it well.
08:45 - I think 4DX would work quite well for this, because it is a bit of a ride of a film, and
08:49 there's lots of flying, lots of tumbling, lots of running. So yeah, 4DX it, why not?
08:53 And then the last film I want to talk about very, very quickly, because it is one that
08:57 should be sought out and it's going to come out in streaming platforms very soon, is Werner
09:01 Herzog's Rascal Dreamer, which is a documentary about the incomparable Werner Herzog. He's
09:06 one of my favourite people in the world. It's a must for any film fan, basically. I mean,
09:11 his work is just incredible. It kind of goes over a lot of the familiar grounds about his
09:18 early mad feelings with Klaus Kinsey and things like Fitzcarraldo, Aguirre, The Wrath of God
09:24 and Cobra Verde. And it maybe lingers on that a bit too much, because anyone who knows anything
09:29 about Werner Herzog knows a lot about Klaus Kinsey, knows a lot about the stories about
09:32 him trying to kill each other and that kind of thing. And it doesn't have as much of his
09:35 later periods documentaries as I would have liked. It focused on Grizzly Man, which is
09:40 his best known film, I suppose. But things like Cave of Forgotten Dreams, which is probably
09:44 my favourite one of his documentaries, doesn't really get a look at. But there's lots of
09:49 lovely interviews with the man himself, lots of interviews with all of the incredibly famous
09:53 people who he's worked with and who just all love him, because everyone who's ever worked
09:58 with Werner Herzog adores him. And there's just some lovely sections where he's talking
10:02 to filmmakers on a filmmaker course, and you can just see how knowledgeable he is and how
10:07 inspirational he is to these kids. And a lovely segment where he goes back to his childhood
10:11 home and looks through the window and just says very enigmatically, "I do not want to
10:16 go in." It's just lovely. And he's there with his daughter as well. There's a couple of
10:20 tear jerking moments. The only issue is that it's a bit of a kind of standard documentary
10:26 and all the way through you wish that Werner Herzog could direct the documentary of his
10:30 own life. And fingers crossed sometime he will. But Werner Herzog, Rascal Dreamer, has
10:34 got a very limited release, but it will be out on streaming platforms very soon. So it's
10:38 one to look out for.
10:40 Just to confirm as well, I was looking as you were going through those movies, I think
10:45 first and foremost, Migration is on at all the big cinemas at the moment.
10:48 It's on all the time of day, yeah.
10:51 Walker, Glasgow, Edinburgh, all that kind of thing. Out of Darkness is out officially
10:55 on the 24th.
10:56 I must have seen an advance screening. So definitely look out for that on the 24th.
11:01 And I think it'll get a decent release actually. I think it is being seen as being one of these
11:06 incredible... I mean, it must have cost nothing to make. So any money it makes will probably
11:10 be profit. And I think it's being seen as... It's got a wee bit of the Blair Witch Project
11:15 about it. There's that very low-fi, low-budget horror, which still looks great.
11:21 A bit like Winnie the Pooh.
11:22 Blood and honey, blood and money. Blood and money.
11:27 Blood and honey. It's from the producer of Saint Maud as well.
11:32 Ah, which is obviously fantastic, yes.
11:34 I mean, very good movie. But yes, that one's out there. And obviously, I Enclose out at
11:39 the moment. You've also got Madame Web, which I'm not really too sold on, although I've
11:43 got a little bit of a crush on the main actress because I thought she was amazing in Suspiria,
11:49 the remake, which everyone hated and I really liked. Tom York doing the soundtrack. I have
11:56 one, finally, too. It's very good. But I've not seen films this week, to be honest. It's
12:02 been a bit of a mad couple of weeks. Bad start of the year, really, where I've been really
12:05 busy all of the time. But I'm going to go and see a few films this Saturday. However,
12:09 one thing I have watched, and I won't surprise anyone, anyone here on my accent, is the third
12:13 season of Summer Until I Die. We sometimes talk about Netflix things, and I think it's
12:18 only fair to say, and people will go, "Well, of course, Graham. You're a Sunderland fan.
12:21 You're from Sunderland." But trust me when I say the first two seasons of Summer Until
12:25 I Die were not an enjoyable watch.
12:26 - You were in it.
12:27 - I know. And this is why it wasn't an enjoyable watch. And I think, as good as it was, the
12:34 first two seasons were really difficult to watch as a fan of the club because it was
12:39 just an absolute car crash of a football club at that point. I wrote a bit of a piece about
12:45 why season three is so amazing and stuff like that, but I'll keep it really short and really
12:50 sweet. If you watch the first two seasons or you enjoy sports documentaries that actually
12:54 show you what it's like to be a football fan and what football club means to its region.
12:57 If you're from Scotland and you're watching this, you most likely have a football club
13:02 that you like, or you have someone in your family that likes a football club, and that's
13:05 completely besotted and obsessed with a certain football club, whoever that may be. Rangers,
13:09 Celtic Hearts, Hibs, you name it. Summer Until I Die, the third season of it, really does
13:15 showcase what and why we do things like football and why it's much more important than just
13:22 11 men on a pitch. And I know a lot of football fans say that, and that football is more important
13:27 than just the game itself, but really do watch it. It's a fantastic end to the documentary
13:32 from a fan's perspective. I think from an entertainment perspective, it might not be
13:37 as memeable. It might not have the idiots that were in season two, including myself.
13:45 But it's just a very good tale of a region that probably deserves a happy
13:48 ending that the TV show does give it. I'm definitely going to watch it.
13:52 I'm definitely going to watch it. It's good. I mean, Dave,
13:54 you're not a football fan. You've enjoyed it. Yeah, well, I did enjoy Welcome to Wrexham. And so
14:00 I think any documentary is a good documentary when people who don't particularly like the subject or
14:05 have a great interest in that subject like the documentary. A good documentary will make
14:09 anything interesting, and I firmly believe that. And actually, the best documentaries I've ever
14:13 seen are about subjects I could not care two bits about when it comes down to it. So yeah,
14:19 looking forward to it. A lot of people felt like that were the last dance and had never,
14:22 ever watched basketball. And because you can see the inner workings of these people and the
14:26 relationships they have. But subject of the podcast. Oscars coming up. We picked our favourite
14:33 all-time best actor winners last week, and now we're going to do the best actress,
14:38 followed by the worst, which is probably the most exciting part. Where do you want to go first,
14:42 best or worst? Well, we're just doing the three worst actor winners. The three worst best actor
14:50 winners. Are we? I thought we were doing actress because we did actor last week, Dave. We did
14:55 actress last week as well. No, we didn't. Oh, we did. Okay, I'll let you go first, Dave. You go
15:02 first. Worst best actor and actress winners. To be fair, I do have my worst.
15:10 You've progressed quite a lot while we talk about it.
15:12 I do have my worst actress moments. I do have it. That's fine. That's cool.
15:16 I found this remarkably easy. We talked about it last week and we agreed that a lot of the
15:23 best actor and actress winners actually weren't that good. But I find most of them are all right.
15:27 You know, most of them are kind of average or quite good and not great film or I don't know,
15:32 a great film but not a fantastic performance. But I find this pretty easy. I got it down to six,
15:37 but my top three, my first one is Rami Malek for his depiction of Freddie Mercury in Bohemian
15:44 Rhapsody when he beat Bradley Cooper for A Star is Born, Christian Bale for Vice,
15:48 William Tafoe, Viggo Mortensen. It's just an impression. It's just an impression with some
15:54 teeth. I'm not saying that he's a bad actor. He's not a bad actor, but it's just an impression with
15:58 teeth. It's like giving the Oscar to Rory Bremner for doing an impression of John Major. Does it
16:04 sound like John Major? Yeah, but he's an impressionist. It's not acting. It's not acting.
16:09 And I think the Academy made a huge mistake picking him. And I think he is actually the worst
16:15 best actor winner of all time. Totally undeserving of it. The film is a mess anyway. And again,
16:23 it is an impression. It's not acting. So my one and only really Rami Malek, I think is the worst,
16:29 best actor winner of all time. It's hard to say that.
16:32 I'll go with worst actress awards because I think these are funnier. And if people are already like,
16:37 he doesn't even know what he's doing and they're still here. This is a bit where it gets funny.
16:40 Switch off in about five minutes. So my first choice is 2015 best actress winner, Brie Larson
16:48 for film Room. Now, the reason I'm choosing this is as follows. I believe, and everyone knows what
16:57 the film The Room means to me. And Greg is still and will always be one of my closest and favorite
17:07 people on the planet. So when it comes to someone saying, do you like The Room? And they go, oh,
17:13 it's that one with Brie Larson. It really gets on my wick. No, I don't mean that one. There should
17:19 be no other film called The Room. Room, our room, some rooms. There is only one, The Room. And it
17:25 starts Tommy Wiseau. It starts Greg Sestero. And it's about love and romance and a little bit of
17:34 misogyny, I think. In fact, it's the best worst movie ever. And Brie Larson should not have won
17:42 an Oscar for that because then people wouldn't go, oh, do you mean the one with Brie Larson?
17:46 And I'd have to go, no, mate, and have a five minute conversation about why Room is not The
17:52 Room. And that just annoys me, to be honest. So I like the reasoning. I was I was shocked by your
17:57 choice, but I have to say your reasoning. It works. I can see you're working. And I kind of agree with
18:03 you now. You've persuaded me. You've definitely persuaded me. My second choice is, and I don't
18:07 know, maybe this is controversial. I don't know why it's controversial. Tom Hanks for Forrest Gump,
18:11 a performance which I genuinely do not think would be allowed these days. I think it's aged
18:18 incredibly badly. I thought at the time when I was watching, I was going, this is a bit weird.
18:23 He's just won for Philadelphia, which is a wonderful film and a wonderful, wonderful actor.
18:28 And I don't know, did they just decide to give him it again? They didn't give it for
18:32 2013, which was a much better film. So I think it is it is it was an absolute miscarriage of
18:38 justice, particularly since nominated in the same year was Morgan Freeman for The Shawshank Redemption
18:44 and John Travolta for Pulp Fiction, both of which are properly iconic performances,
18:49 rather than Tom Hanks essentially gurning away, giving empty platitudes about boxes of chocolates.
18:56 And just, it's just not a great film. I think it borrows on hate crime now, Graham. I have to say
19:02 it borrows on hate crime. So my second is Tom Hanks for Forrest Gump.
19:07 I'll stick with my actresses. I do have my actors now. I've worked out what I'm actually doing with
19:12 my life. But I'll go with actresses so you can get like kind of me doing the actresses, then Dave
19:19 doing the actors and then vice versa. And none of my choices really have actual reasons for bad
19:25 performances. However, let's get political. In 2011, my choice would be Meryl Streep for winning
19:34 Best Actress because she played the Iron Lady. And I'm going to keep this really short and simple.
19:41 Your reasoning is exceptional again, Graham, exceptional.
19:45 I know what I'm doing here. Meryl Streep is amazing, iconic, fantastic actor,
19:51 one of the best that ever existed. Love her face, love everything about her.
19:55 If somebody asked me and paid me 500 million pounds to play Margaret Thatcher, I would not.
20:01 And therefore, bringing the 2011 Best Actress award, being the Iron Lady,
20:10 it needs to go in the bin. So therefore, Meryl, you've made one error in your career and it's
20:14 that one. That's my 2011 choice.
20:17 Well, I'll finish my top three actors with Al Pacino for Sensible Women in 1992. I'm giggling
20:23 because it is a parody of an Al Pacino performance where he just goes, "Hoo-ha!" quite a lot and he
20:28 won the Oscar for it. It was one of these things, he should have won it for about 100 films
20:31 beforehand. I think they forgot he existed and gone, "What's he made this year? We won't bother
20:35 watching it. He's probably really good at this." It's not a great film. He beat Robert Downey Jr.
20:40 for Chaplin, Clint Eastwood for Unforgiven, Stephen Rea for The Crying Game, and Denzel
20:46 Washington for Malcolm X. How did that happen? Did he not watch any of the films? And they just go,
20:51 like they say the year before, "Oh, next year, why don't we give it to Al Pacino? Is he making
20:55 a film? I'm sure he's making a film. We'll give it to Al Pacino. Hoo-ha! It's an absolute nonsense."
20:59 My final choice is actually based on the film. I didn't enjoy it. I didn't think it was that good.
21:06 I just want to point out, I think more than frustration at Gwyneth Paltrow winning it in
21:12 1998, Cate Blanchett should have won the Oscar for, oh God, it's gone on my head.
21:20 Elizabeth.
21:21 No, no, no, no, not that. Yeah, the recent film, Tar. That annoys me more than people winning any
21:27 award. So yeah, Gwyneth Paltrow in there, not a bad actress. I like her in some things. That film
21:32 is not great.
21:33 I agree. It's awful. And that year, Cate Blanchett was nominated for Elizabeth and she'd have won.
21:42 Cate Blanchett.
21:42 I knew you couldn't resist. I knew it. I absolutely knew it.
21:47 Because you said Blanchett. Have you got worst actresses?
21:51 I do. Well, I was also going for Gwyneth Paltrow because it's just such an awful performance and
21:57 completely undeserving. I went for also Sandra Bullock for The Blind Side, which is, Sandra
22:03 Bullock is great. She's fantastic. I'm not saying anything against Sandra Bullock. No one's saying
22:06 anything against Sandra Bullock. But it is a perfectly okay performance in a completely
22:11 mediocre film that I refuse to believe any person on earth has ever seen more than once.
22:16 Every single person saw that film went, yeah, it was all right. And never, ever saw it again.
22:20 I don't think that it sold one single DVD or Blu-ray because no one went to the cinema and
22:24 went, you know what, I want that on my shelf. But it's fine. But again, that year, Cary Mulligan
22:30 should have won for An Education, which is an absolutely stellar performance. Or actually,
22:34 Meryl Streep for Julian's Julia. But Sandra Bullock shouldn't have won. That was another
22:38 life's work Oscar. And then finally, I've gone for Cher. But you can't say Cher because she's Cher.
22:44 But Cher for Moonstruck. Not sure how that happens.
22:46 I'll give you my three men because we've got like a minute left. Colin Firth, King's Speech,
22:53 he beat Javier Bardem, Jeff Bridges, Jesse Eisenberg and James Franklin that year.
22:57 Oh, Goose Call. Yeah, you're right. He didn't deserve that at all.
23:00 Ridiculous. A little bit controversial, potentially, probably, definitely controversial,
23:07 but Sean Penn for Milk. But I don't think it was a bad performance. I just don't think he
23:13 should have beat Mickey Rourke for The Wrestler.
23:15 No, I completely agree. Completely agree.
23:16 So I'm kind of picking holes a little bit. But if you haven't seen The Wrestler, if you've
23:20 gone to see The Iron Clone, you thought that was great. Wrestler is an amazing wrestling movie as
23:23 well. It's about The Wrestler, which would have possibly shocked you. And then, all right,
23:34 I feel bad with this, right? And I know I'm going to end this on something where people are going to
23:38 be like, oh my God, get out of town right now. 2005, Philip Seymour Hoffman.
23:44 Oh, I would. That's the one I'm disagreeing with. Like, unless you've got some amazing circular
23:50 logic like you had with the other ones, I'm massively disagreeing.
23:53 He was up against Heath Ledger for Brokeback Mountain, and he was up against Joaquin Phoenix
23:59 for Walk the Line. Two of my favourite actors of all time, and those films are significantly better,
24:05 in my opinion, which doesn't mean I'm right.
24:08 No, I kind of, you're convincing me again. You are convincing me. I don't like saying
24:12 anything against him, but yeah, I kind of see where you're coming from. Fair enough. Fair enough.
24:16 Also, Sean Penn winning it for Mystic River ahead of Bill Murray in Lost in Translation.
24:20 Yeah, absolutely.
24:22 And Johnny Depp for Pirates of the Caribbean. But that was nice and fast and quick and speedy.
24:28 Yes, well done.
24:29 Very on us. Cheers for listening, I guess. Sorry for being unprepared again,
24:33 but deal with it. What you can do.
24:35 Bye.
24:37 Bye.