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00:00 Do you like anyone who's on lock?
00:02 I don't.
00:03 I think being embarrassing is really hot.
00:05 My taste? Uh...
00:12 I like when things have spaces to fill.
00:29 I don't love perfected items.
00:32 I really like audience engagement.
00:35 I love things that have internal lives.
00:39 Even photographs, like the ones that we did today.
00:42 There's so much behind them.
00:45 It feels like they brought an entire life to them.
00:48 Stuff that needs to be.
00:49 Things that feel compulsive.
00:50 Things that feel like if they didn't exist in the world,
00:53 then we would be lacking.
00:55 My favorite movies are always ones that leave you wondering.
00:59 I think Anatomy of a Fall is...
01:01 I was at the edge of my seat.
01:03 My fingers were kind of here.
01:05 And I was like gleefully watching.
01:08 I was bellowing in the theater.
01:10 I've seen it twice, which is required.
01:11 It's one of those movies that you have to take in twice.
01:14 Barbie. I do backflips for that movie.
01:16 I can't believe that she did that.
01:18 It was an absolute magic trick.
01:19 She was able to sort of get that under everyone's noses
01:22 on such a grand scale.
01:24 There's a Proust joke in that movie.
01:26 She calls Barbie a fascist.
01:27 I was doing really, really happy cartwheels in the theater.
01:30 Zone of Interest is a masterpiece.
01:32 It's a movie that we just...
01:33 We don't make movies like that anymore.
01:35 Everything is there and nothing is overt,
01:38 but it is the most undigestible thing.
01:41 I need to watch it again,
01:42 but I also can't imagine approaching it again.
01:44 I really like Bottoms.
01:45 That's a really good theater experience.
01:47 Watching that with other bodies is so much fun.
01:50 I felt like I was with a bunch of kids
01:52 and they were all hooting and hollering
01:54 and being loud and annoying and stupid,
01:56 and I was like, "This is the most fun ever."
01:58 What do I watch all the time?
01:59 Practical Magic, Now and Then.
02:02 There's a Christmas movie, Fanny and Alexander.
02:04 The breadth of life in that movie will destroy you,
02:08 but it is also very beautiful.
02:10 It's stunning.
02:11 It's one of my favorite movies.
02:13 A book I cannot stop recommending is
02:15 Bluettes over and over and over.
02:17 The Power Broker this year, over and over and over.
02:20 I have so much catch-up to do
02:22 because I actually didn't go to school for very long
02:24 because I started making movies instead.
02:26 I rarely fall in love with contemporary female writers,
02:30 but I feel like right now something's happening.
02:32 There's this collective consciousness thing
02:34 that is waking up and going, "Oh, excuse me."
02:39 We need to contextualize this shame and this pain
02:41 because we don't want to wear it constantly,
02:43 but we do have to acknowledge it and repossess it.
02:46 I find it's embedded in everything.
02:48 I read lately there's this book called Heroines.
02:51 It's about the sort of mad wives of modernism being silenced.
02:55 The idea that we cultivate these men and pamper them
02:59 and give them everything they need in order to be geniuses,
03:02 and if we even suggest that we want to go down a rabbit hole,
03:06 we're pathologized and insane.
03:09 And we've only just stopped doing that.
03:12 I think there's an entire body of expression
03:16 and an entire new language that needs to be sort of...
03:19 The girls, really cool,
03:22 like a sort of adjacent perspective of a very well-known story,
03:26 which is, like, I think the Manson stuff,
03:28 but it's like, imagine if there was a girl there
03:30 that never actually got all the way through
03:33 and didn't commit the murders,
03:35 but was there right up until the moment,
03:37 and what that would do to a woman growing up.
03:39 The way that she writes about the sort of tiny violences,
03:43 not the big ones,
03:45 but the ways in which we feel small around men
03:49 when they're not serial killers,
03:51 but when they're, like, mad at you for dropping the beer.
03:54 There's a book called Minor Characters.
03:56 I think it's like Jack Kerouac's girlfriend wrote a memoir-esque book,
04:01 in addition to a novel.
04:03 But those are boys that I have just, like, hero-worshipped
04:06 and been obsessed with my whole life,
04:09 and they have really lit many fires
04:12 and have really, like, kind of made me the person I am in so many ways,
04:15 but then you read this woman's kind of version of the same time.
04:20 Those are the movies that I want to make.
04:22 I'm trying to grow out of wanting to make all my favorite books movies
04:26 because it just doesn't always require it.
04:28 I guess if something feels like it has a body,
04:30 if something wants to get up and start running,
04:33 I don't think a good--
04:35 I don't love adaptations that are very true.
04:37 I love when movies that are based on films
04:39 feel like someone got a real hair in their ass
04:42 and had to just go make their own thing inspired by.
04:46 I've had to kind of remind myself, like,
04:48 just because you love something doesn't mean it's necessarily a movie.
04:50 It's like you have to look for that feeling.
04:53 Getting older, you start really trying to source why you do stuff,
04:56 and then you just kind of turn into yourself at 12.
04:59 And all of the ways that I tried to kind of, like,
05:02 prove I wasn't one thing--
05:04 You know, you imagine people expect things from you
05:06 even when they don't,
05:08 and being kind of fixated on other people's perceptions of you
05:13 is a kind of a young thing.
05:15 I'm not saying everyone needs to grow out of that.
05:17 Other people's perceptions of you exist,
05:19 and they're very meaningful.
05:21 Like, being a human is about exchange.
05:23 When I go to get dressed,
05:25 nowadays, I literally just want to wear a uniform.
05:28 I just want to be working.
05:30 Like, I just--unless we're creating a character,
05:32 unless we're really unpacking affectation,
05:34 everything is nonsense.
05:36 Everything is bullshit,
05:38 unless you are naked.
05:40 It is just--I don't know, like,
05:42 we're all just, like, lying to and manipulating each other all the time.
05:45 And I mean that without any negative connotation.
05:48 We just, like, want to get through, to come across.
05:51 And we have to try and do that every day.
05:55 Like, packing is the worst thing.
05:57 I'd rather never do it again as long as--
05:59 You have to, like, get dressed ten times,
06:01 but in, like, an hour's length of time.
06:03 It's, like, the worst.
06:05 I hate getting dressed.
06:07 That's why I wear the same thing every day.
06:09 It's okay to be embarrassing.
06:12 I think being embarrassing is really hot.
06:14 And we spend so much of our time, like, being like,
06:17 "Oh!"
06:19 I spend so much of my time going, like,
06:21 "What just happened? How did that--oh, no."
06:23 And you're like, "Yeah, but do you like anyone who's on lock?"
06:27 I don't.
06:29 I really like the messy stuff,
06:31 and so, like, just don't be--
06:33 wear whatever, you know?
06:35 'Cause then you will be cool, even if you're wearing, like, a sack.
06:38 I'm really obsessed with Mannequin Pussy lately.
06:41 They've got a really sultry and positive growl
06:44 that is just, like, shoving our faces in...
06:48 like, the bush of being a woman.
06:53 And I love them for that.
06:56 Just such a good band.
06:58 For anyone that's in love, I recommend listening to Alice Coltrane.
07:03 All of it.
07:04 The Beatles. Do you know what I mean?
07:06 Literally, just--I would just go for that low, low-hanging fruit.
07:10 Like, the three-minute ones, you know?
07:12 There's something about that.
07:14 Yeah, Alice Coltrane and the Beatles.
07:18 I'm really into dice.
07:20 I just like the--I like throwing them.
07:23 I like the heft.
07:25 Not knowing what's gonna come out.
07:27 Placing bets.
07:29 Taking little signs from them, like, if I roll a three, then--
07:32 but then being like, "Fuck, I didn't get the three, so I'll roll ten more times."
07:36 I'm into chin-ups lately, but that's just pretty obvious.
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