Actors Jonathan Roumie & Elizabeth Tabish talk to The Inside Reel about path, journey, reflection and forgiveness in regards to the 4th season of their landmark series: “The Chosen”.
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00:03 Remembering wishing there could be another way.
00:17 And looking back, I do too.
00:20 I still don't know why it has to be this way.
00:23 The bitter often mingled with the sweet.
00:29 You told us it would be like that with how you lived.
00:36 The man of sorrows, acquainted with grief.
00:41 It's about the journey and about what's
00:46 learned from it, both as characters and also as actors.
00:52 Can you talk about that path for both of you?
00:55 Because obviously, it's very different.
00:58 But as you go into the fourth season
01:00 and what's happening with both Jesus and with Mary?
01:05 Yeah, I guess I'll start.
01:06 So where Jesus is in season four is essentially
01:11 the prelude to Holy Week.
01:13 So the escalation, the intention is
01:18 increasing between Jesus and the Pharisees,
01:20 Jesus and the Romans, the Pharisees and the Romans,
01:23 Jesus' disciples and each other.
01:26 And Jesus is trying to really guide people
01:30 to recognize who he is, to have faith in him,
01:32 to understand that they may not be
01:35 able to make sense of everything that happens along this journey,
01:38 but to trust him and to put their faith in him.
01:42 And that's something that I relate to as a human.
01:45 I don't necessarily understand why things happen in my own life
01:48 the way they do.
01:49 But I'm called to be active in my faith
01:52 and know that there is a reason for it.
01:55 And that is the mystery of faith.
01:57 That is the essence of faith, is not necessarily
02:00 knowing why things happen, but knowing
02:02 that with Christ as a believer, with Christ in your life,
02:07 that you are much more likely to get through it
02:11 with that sort of divine help if you have him in your life
02:16 than if you don't.
02:17 So for me, it's been an exercise in art imitates life,
02:24 imitates art, you know?
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02:28 Darkness is not the absence of light.
02:32 It's more uncontrollable and sinister.
02:39 You are there, waiting, because the darkness is not
02:49 dark to you, at least not always.
02:54 The coming darkness was too deep for us to grasp.
03:02 This season is-- there are some shocking and devastating
03:07 events that occur that really surprise and stun
03:09 the entire group.
03:12 It is-- it's a painful season.
03:15 Mary, because she's gone through so much pain in her past
03:19 and processed grief for so long, she
03:23 has, I think, a unique perspective on what's going on
03:26 and a sort of patience and also like an understanding
03:31 that we don't always get to understand, as you say,
03:33 why things happen the way they do,
03:35 why bad things happen to good people,
03:37 and the timing of things.
03:40 But I think she does have this patience with it
03:42 and trust that Jesus knows what he's doing
03:45 and to keep following him and be patient.
03:49 That is a parallel of how I feel all the time with everything.
03:56 I've been so surprised in my life
03:59 how my struggles or pain and grief in the past and fears
04:03 and anxieties, all the negative stuff,
04:06 have been used by God to bring me this wonderful experience.
04:12 I've been able to use those things
04:14 to relate to Mary Magdalene, which
04:16 has allowed other people to relate to Mary Magdalene, which
04:20 has been this communal experience of realizing
04:23 we're not alone in these struggles
04:25 and these are universal struggles
04:27 and that there is hope at the end of it with Jesus.
04:31 And so I'm always stunned by how the parallels of the story
04:36 affecting and influencing my own life
04:39 and understanding of things, which we don't always
04:42 get to understand, but you have to be patient and keep
04:44 the faith.
04:45 It would appear that we now want the same thing as Spirit.
04:50 Senior leaders in every district should question and expose
04:55 Jesus.
04:58 I just can't stop seeing how we could be doing things faster
05:01 and more efficiently.
05:02 You deserve a stipend for your specialized work.
05:05 You can at least make sure that you have resources
05:07 to keep the mission going.
05:10 My ledgers are in the red.
05:12 I told you to make life difficult
05:14 for the followers of Jesus.
05:17 Humanity is so important, and showing the humanity in trauma
05:20 because there's also joy.
05:22 And you see that through here, through the idea
05:24 of forgiveness.
05:25 Can you talk about the notion of forgiveness?
05:27 Because that's very powerful in this season.
05:31 Yeah, I mean, it's one of the hardest things
05:33 to do sometimes with each other, especially when
05:37 you feel you've been wronged.
05:39 And we read Jesus talking to Peter in the scriptures.
05:45 And Peter asks, how many times should I
05:48 forgive my brother, seven times?
05:50 And depending on which gospel, it's like, well, not seven
05:53 times, it's 77 times, or 70 times seven.
05:57 In other words, that is just a metaphor for unlimited,
06:01 like just as much as God can forgive us for the things
06:06 that we do wrong in our own lives,
06:07 we have to forgive each other when we are being wronged.
06:10 And it can be a gift to give that forgiveness to people.
06:15 So I think it's a strong theme, and that so many people will
06:20 be relating to this season.
06:24 It is on this rock that I will build my church,
06:28 and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
06:36 This infernal chaos, why can no one control these people?
06:41 What just happened to all of you?
06:48 It's about to get worse.
06:50 Now that I'm here, physical death does not
06:54 interrupt our eternal life.
06:58 Lazarus, come out!
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