Joel McHale on his Restomods, Road to Hollywood, & Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!

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MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Actor/Comedian Joel McHale! The guys discuss Joel's Restomods

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00:00:02 Hi there and welcome to another episode of The Inevitable

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00:00:27 Where are we going?

00:00:28 How are we gonna get there?

00:00:29 I'm Johnny Lieberman joined as always by Ed Lowe.

00:00:32 Hello there and yes, new studio, new year,

00:00:35 a bunch of new things happening.

00:00:37 New haircut.

00:00:38 New haircut for him, new haircut for me.

00:00:40 We've moved and our friends here at Podcast One

00:00:44 have this beautiful new studio still in Beverly Hills

00:00:47 and we are gonna actually have a bunch of new things

00:00:50 coming in the next episode.

00:00:52 We got a new sponsor, we got some new graphics,

00:00:55 maybe some new audio.

00:00:57 New intro.

00:00:57 New fun stuff and maybe a couple of bits

00:01:00 that we're gonna add.

00:01:01 But the same great content that you love so much.

00:01:04 Yes, all about the future of cars,

00:01:06 all about the people and the places

00:01:08 and all the cool stuff within.

00:01:10 But before we get there, we do have to get through

00:01:15 one remaining episode that we recorded,

00:01:18 actually in October, that we have really been

00:01:22 wanting you to hear but--

00:01:23 Forget about even wanting you to hear.

00:01:25 We've wanted to record this one since the start

00:01:28 of the show. Since forever, yes.

00:01:29 Back when we started this over two years ago,

00:01:31 one of the first guests that was thrown at us

00:01:35 from the Hollywood space was this guy Joel McHale.

00:01:39 They said, "Hey, he loves cars.

00:01:40 "He'd love to come on."

00:01:41 The problem is we could never get him in person

00:01:44 and we always try to get people in person.

00:01:46 So he's one of the busiest working actors in Hollywood.

00:01:49 Right. Also, there was this whole

00:01:51 COVID global pandemic nonsense going on.

00:01:53 That was going on.

00:01:54 And then he was in Georgia, Vancouver,

00:01:57 and it just never worked out.

00:01:59 Until that actor strike that happened late last year.

00:02:04 We finally managed to get on his calendar.

00:02:07 Yeah, October 23rd or something like that in 2023.

00:02:11 And then after that, the funniest thing happened.

00:02:14 Yeah, we had his lawyer and our lawyer

00:02:17 and Podcast One's lawyer, so it was a three-way lawyer

00:02:19 cage match, and our lawyer tapped down and said,

00:02:21 "We don't care really that much."

00:02:22 And then went down to the wire and the good guys win

00:02:26 because you get to hear Joel McHale talk to me and Ed.

00:02:29 Lawyers, they don't, you know,

00:02:30 they get paid the same either way.

00:02:32 And so, yeah, without further ado, this is Joel McHale.

00:02:36 So, Joel McHale.

00:02:39 Joel McHale, here we are.

00:02:40 This is amazing because, yes,

00:02:42 we were just talking about how you were like

00:02:44 among the first names that were thrown at us

00:02:47 in terms of who are some car guy, celeb,

00:02:50 like big people that we could have on here.

00:02:53 And like-

00:02:54 And then how many times did I reschedule?

00:02:56 I want to say it was a running joke.

00:02:58 I mean, it was just sort of like-

00:03:01 Yeah.

00:03:02 I can't even believe you're here.

00:03:03 Like, I'm dreaming.

00:03:03 No, it's because our scheduler-

00:03:05 All through the, I think it was before pandemic

00:03:08 was scheduled.

00:03:09 Yeah.

00:03:10 Well, this is our 70 something.

00:03:12 This will be our high 60s episode.

00:03:15 69th, 67th episode, something like that.

00:03:17 And, but it was like every month we do

00:03:20 like a, "Hey, who we got?"

00:03:21 And it's like, and Joel McHale reached out

00:03:23 and I'm just like, "Snigger, snigger."

00:03:24 'Cause like, it's just never going to actually happen.

00:03:26 Yeah.

00:03:27 But you're here.

00:03:28 And it's, yeah.

00:03:29 Thank you.

00:03:30 No, thank you.

00:03:30 And you're wearing an amazing t-shirt.

00:03:33 So you've got a Corsetti Cruisers t-shirt on.

00:03:34 Oh, Ed likes this.

00:03:36 I'm a huge Land Cruiser fan, as you guys know.

00:03:38 Me too.

00:03:38 I'm also a big Land Cruiser fan.

00:03:40 Corsetti Cruisers is one of the shops.

00:03:41 It's actually really close to our headquarters,

00:03:44 Motor Street headquarters.

00:03:45 They're in, I think-

00:03:46 Torrance?

00:03:47 They're Torrance or Hawthorne or something.

00:03:48 They're right there on the border.

00:03:50 And we're in El Segundo.

00:03:51 But Corsetti does amazing, amazing work.

00:03:54 He does.

00:03:55 And yeah.

00:03:56 He's one of my favorites of all time.

00:03:57 They're doing a lot with the 60s,

00:04:00 but 60 series are going way up in value.

00:04:02 So your shirt explains it completely.

00:04:04 They're doing a lot of 80 series too.

00:04:06 Yeah, I drove one of his 80s series

00:04:08 with a new Corvette engine in it recently.

00:04:11 Oh, do you?

00:04:11 And it was just-

00:04:12 Do you own it?

00:04:13 Is that what you, did you buy one?

00:04:14 I own a FJ60 from '90.

00:04:19 We put a Corvette engine in that too.

00:04:21 And then he is working on an International Scout from 1969.

00:04:25 Oh, so he does non-Land Cruiser stuff.

00:04:27 Yes.

00:04:27 And he is, I have a 1958 Buick Roadmaster that he just-

00:04:32 Oh, wow.

00:04:33 I mean, it was in pretty good shape,

00:04:34 but he dialed it in and it's, yeah.

00:04:38 We kept everything pretty much original,

00:04:41 but he was, you know,

00:04:42 all the little leaks and stuff like that.

00:04:44 What's he doing to the Scout?

00:04:46 We, it's a complete resto mod.

00:04:49 Like, I mean, it's basically, you know,

00:04:52 like a brand new car underneath it.

00:04:54 I ask because I don't ever talk about it,

00:04:56 but the only cars I ever rebuilt were Scouts.

00:04:58 And with the Scout, like, you know,

00:05:01 a normal transition might weigh 500 pounds.

00:05:03 A Scout transmission's a thousand pounds.

00:05:05 And everything is just heavier.

00:05:07 The metal of the body is three times thicker

00:05:09 than it needs to be.

00:05:10 International Harvester.

00:05:11 Yeah.

00:05:12 And it was, they were miserable to work on.

00:05:13 Like, it was just bloody knuckles and sore backs.

00:05:16 'Cause it was so,

00:05:17 I'm always impressed when people work on Scouts

00:05:19 'cause they're just so overbuilt.

00:05:20 They're, yeah.

00:05:22 At what, the, on the Roadmaster,

00:05:24 the trunk is a quarter inch thick steel.

00:05:27 Yeah.

00:05:28 (laughing)

00:05:29 But Scouts are coming back.

00:05:30 Oh, yeah.

00:05:31 They got bought by,

00:05:32 BW.

00:05:33 I guess it's just licensing the name.

00:05:35 I'm not sure, but it's going to be their EV line.

00:05:37 Yep.

00:05:38 Yeah.

00:05:38 Scott Keough is the president.

00:05:39 He moved over from Volkswagen.

00:05:40 He started a new brand.

00:05:41 And what's his name?

00:05:42 Shahin, I'm going to butcher his last name,

00:05:45 but it's an Armenian name by way of Iran.

00:05:47 But Shahin, I should look it up.

00:05:49 Anyways.

00:05:50 (mumbling)

00:05:51 No, no, just go ahead.

00:05:52 Keep on butchering his name.

00:05:53 He was, yeah, just keep butchering my name.

00:05:55 He was our guy at Rivian,

00:05:56 and he just moved over there.

00:05:57 And he's there.

00:05:58 And, breaking news, Jordan Meadows,

00:06:00 who is a big Ford designer,

00:06:02 he is now one of the designers that's going to be-

00:06:04 For the Scout.

00:06:05 Yes.

00:06:06 Yeah.

00:06:07 So, as a Scout enthusiast,

00:06:08 first of all, let's go back.

00:06:10 What are you putting into your resto mod at Scout?

00:06:12 What's the powertrain?

00:06:14 It is a LS3.

00:06:18 I think it's an LS3.

00:06:19 And I would just make it a daily driver.

00:06:23 Okay.

00:06:24 And it's going to be-

00:06:25 Yeah, I was like,

00:06:26 'cause the technical part of it,

00:06:29 like when people are like,

00:06:30 "Oh, that 1966 is a 440."

00:06:32 And I'm like, "Is that the number of cylinders?"

00:06:34 And-

00:06:35 Yes.

00:06:36 That seems right.

00:06:37 There's 440 cylinders.

00:06:38 And just like you lose like 100,

00:06:39 and that's fine.

00:06:40 Right.

00:06:41 But I was just like,

00:06:42 it's going to be a daily driver.

00:06:43 Okay.

00:06:44 And ultimately it was for my wife, but you know.

00:06:47 Is this a two-door?

00:06:48 Yes.

00:06:49 Yeah.

00:06:49 It is.

00:06:50 It's a '68?

00:06:51 '69.

00:06:52 '69.

00:06:53 So, okay.

00:06:54 So, that's still the first-

00:06:55 High five.

00:06:56 Will that get bleeped?

00:06:57 No.

00:06:58 No.

00:06:59 No.

00:07:00 Great.

00:07:01 That's actually a year where they made Scouts,

00:07:02 but that's still the smaller body.

00:07:03 Although, I learned the hard way.

00:07:05 And by the way, Shaheen's last name is Kari Meehan.

00:07:07 Sure.

00:07:08 K-A-R-I-M-I-A-N.

00:07:10 Hi, Shaheen.

00:07:11 Sorry.

00:07:12 Hi, Shaheen.

00:07:13 I'm sorry.

00:07:14 I'm bad at-

00:07:14 Shaheen, I knew your last name really well.

00:07:15 And I was, I just wanted to see them flounder a little bit.

00:07:18 Yeah.

00:07:18 Just our, our anyways.

00:07:20 But we did the, the, the big Scout rebuild I did was,

00:07:24 it was a, it was a '61,

00:07:27 but it was a four cylinder.

00:07:28 And the way they made a four cylinder was they cut the,

00:07:30 I think it was a 302.

00:07:32 They just cut it in half.

00:07:33 And so it was a 151 four cylinder that could go like

00:07:36 58 miles an hour, maybe.

00:07:37 If the whole thing is shaking and rattling.

00:07:39 Three speed?

00:07:40 Oh, I don't know.

00:07:41 It was a manual.

00:07:42 No, it was a four speed.

00:07:43 But so my buddy and I, he tracked it down,

00:07:46 but we found a 68 frame chassis.

00:07:50 So frame is a chassis.

00:07:52 Frame engine and transmission at a junkyard.

00:07:55 Really sweet.

00:07:55 We're just going to take the body off, put it on.

00:07:58 Turned out between '61 and '68, Scouts got much bigger,

00:08:02 even though the Scout 2 got even bigger,

00:08:05 but like nothing was even kind of the same.

00:08:07 - How did you, when did you,

00:08:09 when the moment you realized, wait,

00:08:11 - Ah, well, when we-

00:08:12 - I just bought a pair of size 14 socks.

00:08:14 - Yeah.

00:08:15 - I'm going to have to fold over 20 times

00:08:16 to get into this size eight shoe.

00:08:18 - It was when we had the body hanging off a cherry picker

00:08:21 because we couldn't pick it up with like seven guys.

00:08:24 And we put it down and like nothing lined up.

00:08:27 So we had to take a Sawzall and like cut the snout off of it

00:08:30 and then use diamond plating to like extend it.

00:08:32 And then fab up all the mounts

00:08:34 for all the master cylinders and everything,

00:08:36 which were just all in different spots.

00:08:38 So nothing matched at all.

00:08:39 It was ridiculous.

00:08:40 But-

00:08:41 - Do you still have it?

00:08:42 - No, no, no.

00:08:43 It got built, the guy,

00:08:45 I lived in Northern California at the time,

00:08:46 a dude in Utah flew out.

00:08:48 I think it was Utah or Colorado.

00:08:50 And this was before like Texas, he emailed us,

00:08:53 but 90s, drove it back, made it, sent us an email.

00:08:56 Like it got it, it got home.

00:08:58 So.

00:08:59 - So you haven't heard since.

00:09:01 - No, nothing.

00:09:02 It was called Grandpa.

00:09:03 It was rough, but very cool looking.

00:09:05 It was a very aggressive looking vehicle.

00:09:07 - I wonder where it is now.

00:09:09 It's in a junkyard.

00:09:09 - Marked outside of a Latter Day Saints.

00:09:11 - Yes, for sure.

00:09:13 - So you have a 90,

00:09:14 okay, you got a 90 Corsetti Land Cruiser rebuilt, right?

00:09:17 You got this International Scout Project.

00:09:19 You got a Roadmaster.

00:09:20 You also have, am I correct, an Icon?

00:09:22 - Yeah.

00:09:23 - So he has a 1970, that's a FJ40.

00:09:26 - FJ43.

00:09:27 - 43, so that's a longer.

00:09:29 - You have a full build.

00:09:30 - I have the full build.

00:09:30 - Dude, so the greatest truck in the whole world

00:09:32 that no one knows about, but right?

00:09:35 - There is not a single screw on that thing

00:09:38 that Jonathan did not think about.

00:09:40 - Yeah.

00:09:41 - So previous guest, Jonathan Ward.

00:09:42 - Yeah.

00:09:43 - He used to do, it was originally called TLC 4x4.

00:09:46 - Well, no, it was two companies.

00:09:48 So he had TLC, then he found an Icon after.

00:09:50 - Yes.

00:09:51 And Icon had started with these Land Cruisers,

00:09:53 basically took them way up market.

00:09:54 He was way ahead of the time.

00:09:55 - Way ahead.

00:09:56 - And if you're a Land Cruiser nerd,

00:09:59 you'll know the 40 is the one everyone talks about,

00:10:01 with the 43 is the longer wheelbase.

00:10:03 - Basically, it looks like a pickup truck.

00:10:05 - Yes.

00:10:05 - Yeah.

00:10:06 - Yes.

00:10:07 - That's a cool one.

00:10:08 - It's, I love it.

00:10:09 - Oh.

00:10:10 - It hauls ass.

00:10:11 - And that's an LS3 in that?

00:10:13 - That is, yes.

00:10:14 - Yeah.

00:10:14 And Art Morrison chassis, Learjet sunshades, everything.

00:10:18 I mean, it's hard to explain to people.

00:10:21 'Cause I remember, I always tell the story,

00:10:23 like I met Jonathan in 2007,

00:10:26 and at the time they were like 180,000.

00:10:28 - Right.

00:10:29 - Now they're 300,000,

00:10:31 but there's all kinds of people selling $300,000 Blazers

00:10:33 and Broncos and stuff.

00:10:35 So now it's not abnormal, but at the time, super abnormal.

00:10:38 - Yeah.

00:10:39 - And I remember I said to him, I'm like,

00:10:41 so $180,000 for a Toyota FJ, like why?

00:10:45 And he's like, "Just watch."

00:10:47 - No, no, he goes, "Listen to this."

00:10:48 - Yeah, he goes, "Well, you know,

00:10:50 like you see these releases for the windshield?

00:10:52 Like we looked around at latches, you know,

00:10:54 and we decided that the 1905 Sub-Zero refrigerator

00:10:56 has the coolest latches.

00:10:57 So we remanufactured those.

00:11:00 Our badge, like a Mercedes badge is about 30 cents.

00:11:03 Ours is 400 bucks.

00:11:04 It's made by a jeweler out of pewter.

00:11:06 The visors are Learjet, Chili Witch format,

00:11:09 which we're getting copied actually.

00:11:11 And on and on and on, like, you know, marine wiring.

00:11:15 - There's not a single part of that

00:11:17 that's not thought out and thought through.

00:11:19 - Okay, what color, what color, what color?

00:11:21 - Matte black.

00:11:22 - Oh, evil.

00:11:23 - You drive this, what do you drive it, around here, LA?

00:11:25 - Yeah, that one's actually in storage at the moment,

00:11:29 but I like, I took it up to Big Bear with my son.

00:11:33 So it's just, I mean, it's a daily driver.

00:11:36 You can just turn, my wife does not like driving it.

00:11:39 'Cause she's like, "I feel like I'm driving a school bus."

00:11:41 And I was like, "Isn't that awesome?"

00:11:42 - Dude, that's so weird.

00:11:43 We did a video, me and Kamisa years ago,

00:11:47 with one against a G-Wagon, and he kept saying that.

00:11:50 He said he felt like he was in a, you know,

00:11:53 Star's Home tour bus thing.

00:11:55 He just kept saying it's like a bus, but not a-

00:11:57 - Does he retain the same, the original steering wheel?

00:11:59 'Cause it is kind of a big-

00:12:00 - Yes, it's a big, yeah.

00:12:01 No, and it's, you know, you're not buying a,

00:12:04 you're not buying a Porsche, you're not buying a,

00:12:06 you know, like a Mercedes,

00:12:08 you're not buying a Mercedes wagon or an Audi,

00:12:09 you're buying this classic car

00:12:11 that just everything on it is amazing.

00:12:14 - Upgraded.

00:12:15 - And it goes 100 miles an hour.

00:12:16 - Yeah, I was gonna say, it's so much better-

00:12:17 - It's shaped like a barn.

00:12:18 - It's so much better than an FJ could ever be.

00:12:20 And actually, I think the steering wheel-

00:12:22 - How dare you?

00:12:23 But okay, keep going.

00:12:24 - I think the steering wheels he makes,

00:12:26 because my understanding on those,

00:12:28 he gets all plastic out of the vehicle.

00:12:32 So I think the steering wheel is something else.

00:12:34 But the only thing-

00:12:35 - Bakelite, bakelite, not plastic.

00:12:37 - I think the only thing he keeps

00:12:39 is the chassis plate and the hood.

00:12:40 I think every other panel is done, like he custom-

00:12:45 - All right, all right, enough slobbering over Jonathan.

00:12:47 - No, never.

00:12:48 - You can go back and listen to the episode.

00:12:48 - No, no, let Joel slobber.

00:12:49 - No, and there are times when I'm like,

00:12:51 "I should sell this, I can make money."

00:12:53 And then Jonathan's like, "Don't sell it, keep it."

00:12:56 - What, do you know your chassis number?

00:12:57 Or yeah, I know he just popped out number 200.

00:13:01 - Oh, 10 years ago.

00:13:02 - Oh, yeah, okay, so you're early.

00:13:03 - Yeah, at least 10 years ago.

00:13:05 I mean, as soon as I, 'cause I always wanted an FJ,

00:13:08 as soon as I made money, I was like, "I wanna buy it."

00:13:10 And then they were all so crappy,

00:13:12 and they're so beautiful, but there was like,

00:13:16 "Well, it runs, but there is a family of raccoons living

00:13:20 in the engine if you wanna."

00:13:23 - Oh, I didn't know you had one of those.

00:13:24 - It's okay, so where did this love of,

00:13:26 now, we're gonna go through some of your other cars,

00:13:27 but you have a fetish for sort of squared off, off-roaders.

00:13:32 Where does this come from?

00:13:33 - Well, it's a fetish, I am sexually aroused by it.

00:13:36 - Yes, same.

00:13:37 - I call it, my company's called Boner City, Boner Motors.

00:13:42 And I, wow, that's a good question.

00:13:46 I was into cars, I always had Subaru STIs before I had,

00:13:51 could really afford a cool, I always loved going fast

00:13:56 and all that stuff, and that's one of the,

00:13:58 I think one of the most perfect cars ever made.

00:14:01 But as soon as I could afford, 'cause I always thought

00:14:04 about FJs, and that's where, I mean, I don't know why.

00:14:08 I always liked Land Cruisers in high school.

00:14:11 I was always like, "Oh, I think that's really cool."

00:14:13 Horrifyingly underpowered, but very cool.

00:14:16 And for whatever reason, I never was like,

00:14:18 "I need a Lamborghini."

00:14:20 That was never my cup of tea,

00:14:23 even though I drive a Turbo S,

00:14:25 which I find the most, the greatest handling car ever.

00:14:29 - It's a hard car to say anything bad about, yep.

00:14:31 - Right.

00:14:32 (laughing)

00:14:33 - Yeah, I don't know.

00:14:34 - 2021 Porsche.

00:14:35 - The backseat sucks.

00:14:36 - Turbo S.

00:14:37 - I mean, unless you're short, then it's really good.

00:14:39 - Yeah, you gotta flip those legs around the side.

00:14:42 But so I think for whatever trend, my age of people,

00:14:47 'cause as you know, old antique cars

00:14:50 are not as popular as they were.

00:14:52 And I think for what our generation just decided

00:14:54 that SUVs were cool.

00:14:56 And you could buy a Blazer for 20 years ago,

00:15:01 a K5 Blazer for what, three grand?

00:15:03 - Oh, yeah.

00:15:04 - Yeah.

00:15:05 - And now-

00:15:06 - They're wild.

00:15:07 It's wild.

00:15:08 I've been a Bear Jackson scene,

00:15:10 just kind of a normal restoration K5, like 120 grand.

00:15:14 And it's like, guys, it's a 1973 design, old engine.

00:15:19 It's a $5 driving experience, but people just love the look.

00:15:24 - Yeah, no, you, so I now, I mean,

00:15:27 anything below 1940 sucks now, I mean,

00:15:30 as far as prices, right?

00:15:31 - Right.

00:15:32 - And it's weird how, I don't know, it's just how,

00:15:34 I mean, I don't obviously think the old Speedsters

00:15:36 go for a million dollars now or $3 million,

00:15:39 but I don't know where I got the obsession.

00:15:41 - Where does the car obsession come from?

00:15:43 Family?

00:15:45 Your dad into cars?

00:15:46 - My older brother loved cars, always did.

00:15:48 And I think I piggybacked on him.

00:15:51 And I didn't, 'cause I never made any money.

00:15:54 And then when finally I started making money,

00:15:56 I allowed myself to, I was never a gear head

00:15:59 and I would blow up any engine.

00:16:02 Like if that thing breaks down the side of the road,

00:16:04 I can't, I'll just be, I have to call a butler.

00:16:07 - Yeah, that's fine.

00:16:08 (laughing)

00:16:10 - So I don't--

00:16:11 - That's good, good answer.

00:16:12 I'm gonna steal that.

00:16:13 - My dad also loved, he loved Fiat's

00:16:15 and he worked on Fiat's.

00:16:16 - Really?

00:16:17 - We had Fiat's and Peugeot's growing up,

00:16:18 which is an odd combination of super breakdown cars.

00:16:21 - But this goes to your question, right?

00:16:22 Because you were born in Rome

00:16:25 and Johnny's trying to figure out

00:16:27 whether that's like Rome, Kansas, or like Rome, Georgia.

00:16:30 - Rome, Georgia.

00:16:31 - Which is in Italy.

00:16:32 - Yes.

00:16:33 (laughing)

00:16:34 So Rome, Italy.

00:16:35 - Yeah, Rome, Italy, yes.

00:16:36 It's the first thing on my Wikipedia,

00:16:38 which is such a kickoff talking point.

00:16:41 - Why were you born in Rome?

00:16:42 - I was in the CIA.

00:16:43 - Okay, as a fetus, yeah.

00:16:46 - My, yes, it was a deep cover.

00:16:49 - Spy fetus.

00:16:50 - I was spying on my parents.

00:16:50 (laughing)

00:16:53 My grandfather, my mom's dad worked for the UN.

00:16:59 He was in charge of stimulating fish populations

00:17:03 around the world.

00:17:04 He built dams that had good salmon ladders on them

00:17:09 for fish to get by.

00:17:12 So that is kind of propelled him to,

00:17:15 they moved from Vancouver,

00:17:17 like '60s Vancouver, British Columbia,

00:17:19 to swing in Rome in like '65.

00:17:23 And it was, so it was, and so my mom was a student.

00:17:25 My dad was from Chicago.

00:17:27 He went to Loyola University in Chicago

00:17:30 because he saw the movie "Roman Holiday"

00:17:33 with Audrey Hepburn.

00:17:34 He was like, "That's where I'm going."

00:17:36 And he did.

00:17:37 And he met my mom there and had three boys.

00:17:39 And then they had no money and we moved to Seattle,

00:17:42 which in the '70s was very depressed.

00:17:45 - I was gonna say, I remember Seattle in the '80s

00:17:48 and it was like kinda.

00:17:50 - It was seedy and everyone was like,

00:17:52 "What do you do here?"

00:17:53 Other than build planes and timber and everything.

00:17:56 - Late night buses.

00:17:57 - Falling off of Lancashires.

00:17:58 So you were, your mom's Canadian,

00:18:00 your father is an American, so you were American.

00:18:03 You were born as an American in Rome.

00:18:05 - Yes.

00:18:06 - Yeah, okay.

00:18:07 - American Canadian or?

00:18:08 - No, 'cause at that point.

00:18:09 - Do you have an Italian passport?

00:18:10 No?

00:18:11 - No, I have an Italian birth certificate.

00:18:13 - Oh, that's cool.

00:18:14 - Different Italians are like,

00:18:15 "Oh, you could just go get it."

00:18:16 And I'm like, "I don't think that's probably."

00:18:17 - You actually probably could because I,

00:18:21 my dad's from Montreal, so I'm half Canadian.

00:18:23 And then at one point,

00:18:25 because he had a job working with the Air Force,

00:18:29 he had to renounce his Canadian citizen.

00:18:31 He became a US citizen,

00:18:32 but he never renounced his Canadian.

00:18:33 - Right.

00:18:34 - And not only did he have to renounce his,

00:18:37 but his clearance was so secret that my sister and I,

00:18:41 at the age of like 12 and 10,

00:18:43 had to renounce our Canadian citizenship.

00:18:44 - That's gotta be an odd family meeting.

00:18:46 - Just some weird FBI dude.

00:18:48 We renounced, it was just whatever.

00:18:50 It was very-

00:18:51 - Kids, come downstairs, the FBI's here.

00:18:53 - Well, it turned out,

00:18:54 I didn't know, this was a long time ago, obviously,

00:18:56 but it turned out it was the genesis,

00:18:58 the beginning of the F-35 program.

00:18:59 That's how long it started in the '90s, yeah.

00:19:01 And I remember, 'cause I used to be like,

00:19:04 "Dad, what's behind that door at work?"

00:19:05 And he'd be like,

00:19:06 "If I told you I'd be executed for treason

00:19:08 and you'd spend the rest of your life in prison."

00:19:10 And I was like 13.

00:19:11 You know, like, "Come on, dad, tell me."

00:19:13 But anyways, but you can get,

00:19:16 Canadian's really easy to get.

00:19:18 You just have to say like,

00:19:19 if one of your parents was born before January 1st, 1949,

00:19:22 you can get-

00:19:23 - The quiet desperation of Canada.

00:19:25 - There you go.

00:19:26 No, no, they actually wanna keep people out,

00:19:28 but they have this rule.

00:19:29 - Well, they have a population problem

00:19:31 that they are trying to get as many people now.

00:19:34 - Yeah, but they do wanna keep,

00:19:35 they don't want like Americans showing up there.

00:19:37 - They want this guy though, come on.

00:19:39 - Oh, they want Joe McHale.

00:19:40 - They can no longer buy, as a non-Canadian,

00:19:44 you can't buy property there now.

00:19:46 They changed that because so many people-

00:19:47 - Mostly 'cause the people look like me, let's be honest.

00:19:49 All the Chinese people going into Vancouver.

00:19:51 - Well, when Hong Kong-

00:19:52 - Also a lot.

00:19:53 - Well, but when that program opened,

00:19:56 they absolutely were trying to attract as many people.

00:20:00 - Stop, stop, stop.

00:20:00 - Which is, 'cause it brought in so much wealth.

00:20:03 - Oh yeah.

00:20:04 - And that's why when-

00:20:06 - The food got way better.

00:20:08 - Mostly people-

00:20:09 - So much better.

00:20:09 - If you go to Vancouver, the food's incredible.

00:20:11 - It was so, it was just broth and wheat coffee.

00:20:16 - There was, oh, the coffee was not good.

00:20:17 - Now you can get, the wine in British Columbia's fantastic.

00:20:21 - There's a wine region there, yeah.

00:20:23 - Wine in Washington's good too.

00:20:24 - It's amazing.

00:20:26 - Yeah.

00:20:27 - Drew Bledsoe has his own winery and it's good.

00:20:29 - And, oh, what's the, someone was just telling me

00:20:32 this last night, who's the coach of the Dolphins?

00:20:35 Josh McDaniels?

00:20:36 - Yes.

00:20:37 - The guy who-

00:20:38 - He looks so much like a football player.

00:20:39 - The guy that runs Bledsoe's winery

00:20:42 is named Josh McDaniels.

00:20:43 Like, bizarre coincidence.

00:20:46 Yeah.

00:20:46 - No, I think Washington Wine

00:20:48 is one of the best kept secrets in wine.

00:20:50 And it's still a terrific deal compared to Oregon,

00:20:54 Pinot Noirs, and obviously Napa.

00:20:56 It is, you can't really get a lot of it here.

00:20:59 - It's just like Temecula.

00:21:00 - Temecula wine's great, and they're all of those.

00:21:03 - Temecula wine's not great.

00:21:04 - There's great Mexican wine.

00:21:05 - There is great Mexican wine.

00:21:06 - Really good.

00:21:07 - Yes, but actually, you know,

00:21:08 the two largest wineries in the world

00:21:10 are in Baja, California.

00:21:11 They make all the Sacramento wine

00:21:13 for the Central and South America.

00:21:15 - We live in food and wine and beer heaven.

00:21:18 - We, yeah, if you told your great grandpa,

00:21:22 or your grandpa, like, this is how we would eat

00:21:24 almost every day, they'd be like,

00:21:25 this is ridiculous and wonderful.

00:21:28 - You can get wine out of a box?

00:21:30 - What?

00:21:31 - No, they wouldn't.

00:21:32 - Well.

00:21:33 - So you touched on it.

00:21:34 I did want to, in your Wikipedia page,

00:21:37 you were a tight end at University of Washington.

00:21:40 - Well, yes, not a good one, but yes.

00:21:42 - That's amazing.

00:21:43 - What years?

00:21:44 - '91 to '93.

00:21:45 - Ooh.

00:21:47 - But I missed the national championship.

00:21:49 - Okay, okay.

00:21:50 But you went to the Rose Bowl.

00:21:52 - We did, and lost.

00:21:53 - Yeah, but you got to, you were like,

00:21:54 you came down, you were suited up.

00:21:57 - I did not suit up.

00:21:57 I was a red shirt at that point.

00:21:59 - Okay.

00:22:01 - Do you guys watch Game Day?

00:22:02 Did you watch Game Day last week?

00:22:03 - I did not. - Not last week.

00:22:04 - Oh, yeah.

00:22:05 - I got a three-year-old, but yeah.

00:22:06 - How dare you?

00:22:06 You should be up at some point in the year.

00:22:08 Oh, you don't, you got the, you don't wake up early?

00:22:11 - No.

00:22:12 - You look pretty rested.

00:22:13 - I'm exhausted.

00:22:14 - Yeah, I did, see.

00:22:16 (laughing)

00:22:18 - My kid got up at five today.

00:22:20 - Yeah, that's great.

00:22:21 - And my wife's out of town,

00:22:21 and she came in and just like hit me for an hour.

00:22:25 It was awesome.

00:22:26 - That's, yeah, wait till you have teenagers.

00:22:28 - They don't wake up, right?

00:22:29 - They don't.

00:22:30 - Come on, you got the number, what are you guys,

00:22:31 number eight, right, no, fifth ranked.

00:22:34 - Yeah.

00:22:35 - So you're a big UW college football.

00:22:39 - Oh, I saw pictures.

00:22:40 You were wearing like purple and gold, like war paint,

00:22:43 and you had your shirt off.

00:22:44 - That Oregon game a couple weeks ago,

00:22:45 I caught a bit of that.

00:22:46 That was crazy.

00:22:47 - Yeah, I was, yeah.

00:22:48 - You lost your mind.

00:22:49 - Yeah, I was there.

00:22:50 This is me.

00:22:51 - On the field?

00:22:52 - Yeah, I was, yeah, that's.

00:22:55 - That's what I saw, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:57 - That's, this is.

00:22:58 - We're gonna need to put that into the, yeah, wow.

00:23:00 Okay, yeah.

00:23:01 - That's me and Lee Corso, nice man.

00:23:03 - Yeah.

00:23:04 - Yeah, everybody, yes, and then a person just handed me,

00:23:07 this is when I left my parents live in Seattle,

00:23:09 and I left the home going like, I'll be back.

00:23:11 - That's maybe the picture I saw on Instagram, yeah.

00:23:13 But then there was another one,

00:23:14 your shirt came off like the previous one.

00:23:16 - Yes, I was shirtless the entire time.

00:23:18 - Hey.

00:23:19 - But then we went to the game,

00:23:20 and it was one of the most exciting football games

00:23:22 I have ever been to,

00:23:24 and my 15-year-old is a huge football fan,

00:23:25 he was like, I think this might be louder

00:23:26 than a Seahawks stadium right now,

00:23:28 and I was like, yeah, it's vibrating.

00:23:30 And then all the students stormed the field when we won.

00:23:33 - Right.

00:23:33 - And it was mayhem, wonderful Husky mayhem.

00:23:36 - Two weeks ago, I would have been bragging

00:23:38 about how I'm a huge USC fan,

00:23:39 but I'm not so much bragging about that now,

00:23:40 because we're now six and two, and just.

00:23:43 - We're playing you.

00:23:43 - Yes, two weeks, I think.

00:23:45 - Yeah.

00:23:46 - Yeah, it's gonna be a bloodbath.

00:23:47 Congratulations on the win, I'll just say that right now.

00:23:49 - Penix is very good.

00:23:50 - Yes, yes.

00:23:51 - He's quite good, he got the crap knocked out of him

00:23:54 during the Oregon game,

00:23:55 but they came back to beat Arizona last week,

00:23:58 which was not our most impressive one, but we did it.

00:24:01 - Yes, we have no defense,

00:24:03 despite having a defensive coordinator named Grinch.

00:24:05 - Well, okay.

00:24:07 But six and two, I mean, that's not terrible.

00:24:10 In college football.

00:24:12 - In college football, USC standards,

00:24:14 'cause we beat a bunch of guys early by huge margins,

00:24:17 and then everybody else.

00:24:17 - I think the last five opponents have averaged 42 points

00:24:22 against us.

00:24:23 - Ah, yeah.

00:24:23 - And we're still six and two, which is wild.

00:24:25 - That's what, I mean, six and two is not bad.

00:24:26 - We got a Heisman quarterback.

00:24:28 - He's no Penix.

00:24:29 - Yes.

00:24:30 - Thank you.

00:24:31 Well, and now there's no Pac-12.

00:24:32 - Yes, all day, yeah.

00:24:32 How do you feel about that?

00:24:34 - It's, you know, the SEC did this years ago,

00:24:36 and kind of consolidated power,

00:24:38 and then everyone else was trying to,

00:24:39 and so I can see why,

00:24:41 and the players and ex-players I know like it.

00:24:45 - So what conference is Washington in now?

00:24:47 University?

00:24:48 - Big 10.

00:24:49 - Yeah, you go to Big 10.

00:24:50 - But there's like 17 teams.

00:24:51 - UNC and UCLA, and Linton, and Charleston.

00:24:52 - I was gonna say, is there 32 teams in the Big 10?

00:24:54 - There's so many.

00:24:54 - Yeah, I think it's 18 or something.

00:24:55 - It's really Wazoo and the Beavers

00:24:58 that are really screwed now.

00:25:00 - Yes.

00:25:01 - 'Cause they have no conference.

00:25:03 - So it's like, what, like San Jose State and Oregon?

00:25:06 - They're gonna bring in some other.

00:25:08 - They'll be absorbed by it.

00:25:09 - FBS school.

00:25:10 - They'll be in some other,

00:25:11 I'm sure they'll go to some other league,

00:25:12 'cause they're good teams,

00:25:13 and they have been over the years.

00:25:14 - The thing I can't get over, 'cause you mentioned,

00:25:16 yeah, SEC, and I hate that,

00:25:17 I hate everyone talks about the SEC.

00:25:19 - Yes, I agree.

00:25:20 - But it's not like the Pac, the West Coast, right?

00:25:23 Not a bunch of dummies out here.

00:25:25 How did the Pac-12 get so outmaneuvered?

00:25:29 - What happened?

00:25:30 - You know, this is like,

00:25:31 it is literally the Conference of Champions.

00:25:32 If you Wikipedia all the schools

00:25:34 that have the most Olympic athletes

00:25:36 and all the national championships in all sports.

00:25:39 - But I mean, just even the big ones.

00:25:40 - UNC, UCLA, Stanford.

00:25:41 - Yeah, Cal, Cal.

00:25:43 - The Cal too, yes.

00:25:44 But also, you just watched it in Oregon.

00:25:46 Even like San Diego State, San Jose State,

00:25:48 like good football teams.

00:25:50 - Neither of those are Pac-12.

00:25:52 - What are we talking about?

00:25:53 - Yeah.

00:25:54 - Arizona.

00:25:55 - Arizona, that's--

00:25:56 - No, it's obviously in basketball too,

00:25:58 and so many sports.

00:25:59 - How did they get outmaneuvered like this?

00:26:01 This is like the most ridiculous thing.

00:26:03 - It became, yeah, I mean, West Coast,

00:26:06 and when I hear, I mean, this is a separate issue,

00:26:07 but when I hear them say like,

00:26:09 they don't have, our fans aren't as good,

00:26:11 it makes me wanna murder them.

00:26:13 - Right.

00:26:13 - And that's fighting words.

00:26:15 - There is, there is.

00:26:16 - Our fans aren't as good.

00:26:17 - Well, we have other things to do, that's the thing.

00:26:19 Like if you are--

00:26:20 - It's like, oh, we're the sixth largest economy

00:26:21 on the planet, so we got--

00:26:22 - Fourth, fourth.

00:26:23 - No, but we can do both.

00:26:24 - But, but like, but you know, if you're in Arkansas,

00:26:26 I mean, you know, that much, you know,

00:26:28 they got the Razorbacks.

00:26:29 - I think it's the time zone that screwed us too,

00:26:31 'cause Pac-12 after dark is like a terrible,

00:26:33 literally only half the country's gonna watch it, so.

00:26:36 - Well, true, but then, you know,

00:26:38 think about all the basketball games

00:26:39 that start at 10 p.m. on the East Coast, and--

00:26:43 - They're not three hours long, though, right?

00:26:45 - No, well, they can.

00:26:46 - Two and a half, yeah.

00:26:48 - So you're, it's a length issue.

00:26:49 - I'm not, look, I'm not trying to,

00:26:52 I'm just, I'm just going to the water we're drowning in,

00:26:53 that's all.

00:26:54 - No, I always like, when I hear like,

00:26:56 the greatest rivalry, I'm like, no, no, that's not, no.

00:26:59 We're, Seattle, if you go to Seattle,

00:27:02 you'll find the most rabid sports fan.

00:27:04 I mean, here, there's more the rabid sports fans.

00:27:07 There's a tattoo shop that only does Dodger tattoos, so.

00:27:10 - Dodger fans are pretty hardcore, yeah, that's true.

00:27:13 But what, so what do you think is the greatest rivalry?

00:27:15 I'm curious about this, 'cause.

00:27:17 - Oh, I think when, you know, the days when the 49ers

00:27:21 and the Seahawks would battle, I think, you know,

00:27:23 as a kid, that was such a fun thing.

00:27:26 And then I think, you know, then the rivalry

00:27:28 between Seahawks and 49ers, when the Russell,

00:27:31 you know, 2012 to 2015 era,

00:27:34 those were epic, wonderful battles.

00:27:37 And so I don't want to like, greatest sports rivalry,

00:27:39 but don't tell, don't for a second say

00:27:41 that yours is better than ours, because.

00:27:43 - Right, right.

00:27:44 - Yeah, 'cause there's all, they're like,

00:27:46 I, so anyway, I guess. - I like it.

00:27:47 - That pisses me off.

00:27:49 - No, I like that.

00:27:49 I'm just trying to think of the greatest rivalry

00:27:51 that's an interesting, and in college, what would it be?

00:27:54 'Cause I know they say that.

00:27:55 - Everyone would have their own answer.

00:27:56 - It'd be like Oklahoma, Texas, right?

00:27:57 - Michigan, Ohio State.

00:27:59 - Oh, Michigan, Ohio State.

00:28:00 - Notre Dame, USC.

00:28:02 - Notre Dame, USC's a good one.

00:28:03 - Yeah, some epic battles.

00:28:05 - All those teams.

00:28:06 - Right, thank you.

00:28:07 - Well, you know, I feel it about all teams,

00:28:10 except for the Packers, who now are the officially.

00:28:12 - You don't even watch college sports.

00:28:13 - I don't watch college sports, but I'm a big Packers fan.

00:28:15 They're officially the worst team in football now,

00:28:17 the Packers.

00:28:18 - Are they?

00:28:18 - Well, they lost to the Broncos, who were beaten 70 to three.

00:28:21 So.

00:28:22 - Well, Broncos have won two games, though, now, right?

00:28:24 - So have the Packers, flukey, somehow they won two.

00:28:26 But to me, as a Packers fan,

00:28:28 it's Packers, Minnesota is the rivalry, because everyone.

00:28:31 - That's where you grew up.

00:28:32 - No, I didn't grow up, I grew up here.

00:28:33 I just became a Packers fan, don't ask.

00:28:35 Don McCalsky. - What?

00:28:36 - Don McCalsky, I was really into Don McCalsky.

00:28:39 But everyone's always like, Packers, Bears,

00:28:42 it's the oldest rivalry in football.

00:28:43 But we just beat the Bears, it's not really a rivalry.

00:28:45 But Packers, Vikings, the hatred is so good.

00:28:49 It's so awesome.

00:28:50 - You need to see the Oregon, Washington hatred thing.

00:28:52 - No, I'm aware of it.

00:28:53 I'm aware of all these things.

00:28:55 - Yeah, I mean, there's the, yeah, you know.

00:28:58 - Let's get back to that.

00:28:58 - Let's go back to the car.

00:28:59 Let's get back to hatred now.

00:29:00 - No, no, no, no, no, let's get back to.

00:29:01 - Hatred.

00:29:02 - The opening for all this was your Wikipedia page,

00:29:04 which says, so you went to.

00:29:07 - Doing some real research.

00:29:08 - Exactly, University of Washington.

00:29:10 - Yes.

00:29:11 - You were on the rowing team before you were a.

00:29:14 - Yeah, for one quarter.

00:29:15 I was a good rower in high school.

00:29:17 - Okay, so high school, you played football

00:29:19 and you did rowing?

00:29:20 - I played football freshman year of high school

00:29:23 and then did not play again.

00:29:24 - Oh, and you became a tight end, that's wild.

00:29:26 - Yes, so I played basketball,

00:29:29 but I also was doing plays and soccer and baseball.

00:29:33 - Good Lord.

00:29:34 - And I was really good at sports

00:29:36 and standing on stage and yelling at people,

00:29:39 but at school I was a terrible student.

00:29:42 Ask any of my friends, they're like,

00:29:43 yes, you cheated off my tests often.

00:29:45 - Wow.

00:29:46 - But freshman year, how tall were you?

00:29:47 - Six one or two.

00:29:50 - Okay.

00:29:51 - And what are you, like six four, six five now?

00:29:52 - Six four.

00:29:53 - And you were playing, what were you playing

00:29:54 in high school, what position?

00:29:56 - Football.

00:29:57 - Quarterback and tight end.

00:29:58 - Wow, okay.

00:29:59 - Yeah, so and then sometimes I played defense.

00:30:02 It was really fun and I was,

00:30:03 I was not the best athlete on my high school team by a mile.

00:30:08 We had guys that were great.

00:30:10 So I was just, I just worked a lot.

00:30:14 I worked hard, I was there, I showed up.

00:30:15 - Six one in freshman year.

00:30:16 - What was your playing weight at Washington?

00:30:19 - 245.

00:30:20 - Okay, yeah, that's six four, 245 is decent size.

00:30:23 - Yeah, I was--

00:30:23 - But then, hang on, that doesn't make any sense.

00:30:26 - I remember hitting on the scale naked.

00:30:27 So I--

00:30:28 - Me too.

00:30:29 - Yeah, and I was like, look how big you are now.

00:30:32 Look at me.

00:30:33 - 245.

00:30:34 - You really ate a lot of peanut butter jelly sandwiches.

00:30:36 - Yeah, well, I'm about 242 right now.

00:30:37 So that doesn't sound like--

00:30:38 - Really?

00:30:39 - Yeah, I'm very heavy.

00:30:41 - What are you gonna do about it?

00:30:44 - I've been losing a lot of weight,

00:30:45 but I have some power also there, not just fat.

00:30:50 - You have some power?

00:30:51 - I have some power.

00:30:52 - Oh, you're like strong.

00:30:53 - I'm pretty strong, yeah.

00:30:55 - He does card tearing.

00:30:56 You should watch his, he'll tear a deck of cards in half.

00:30:58 - You think he's as strong as he says?

00:31:00 - He says he is.

00:31:01 - I'm pretty strong, yeah.

00:31:01 (laughing)

00:31:02 - I'm pretty strong.

00:31:03 - We arm wrestle right here.

00:31:04 - Do you know how to arm wrestle?

00:31:06 - Yeah, do I know how to arm wrestle?

00:31:09 Yeah, you use your legs.

00:31:10 - Yeah, you use your legs.

00:31:11 No, no, seriously, if you watch arm wrestlers, it's like--

00:31:13 - Oh, yeah, they get the hold.

00:31:15 - It's really--

00:31:16 - Yeah, they're pulling as opposed to pushing.

00:31:19 - It's not pushing left, it's pulling backwards.

00:31:21 - Yeah, and then they're doing the hold.

00:31:22 - Yeah.

00:31:23 - How does it make sense with rowing?

00:31:26 The 240 is really heavy for a rower.

00:31:29 - I was not 240 when I got it.

00:31:30 I mean, I was like 220 probably.

00:31:32 - 240's not that heavy.

00:31:33 - And then I quit the rowing team

00:31:34 'cause they were a bunch of horrible lunatics

00:31:37 who hazed and hazed and I was like, I wouldn't--

00:31:40 - Wait, how would a rowing team be lunatics?

00:31:42 - Well, I've actually talked about this before.

00:31:45 And then they'll go, it's great,

00:31:47 they go after me on social media.

00:31:48 I'm like, of all these white dude, how dare you?

00:31:52 I challenge you to a duel.

00:31:55 - Exactly, of a glove slap off, yeah.

00:31:58 This is like, this is the eight man, four man?

00:32:00 - Eight man and four man.

00:32:01 - Could you single skull?

00:32:03 - I used to.

00:32:04 - Wait, I wanna hear about lunatic rowers.

00:32:06 This is fantastic.

00:32:07 - They had so many f****** rules

00:32:09 and they used to all live in the same place,

00:32:12 which made it worse.

00:32:13 - So you just didn't fit in?

00:32:13 - I didn't, super hot.

00:32:15 No, I just wouldn't pay attention to the rules.

00:32:17 And like, they had, the seniors had their own table

00:32:21 that had all this like tiles around it.

00:32:24 If you stepped over the tile,

00:32:26 you'd throw yourself in the lake.

00:32:28 (laughing)

00:32:29 And then, yeah, then there was like,

00:32:31 if you made the freshman boat,

00:32:33 they shaved your head and your eyebrows off

00:32:35 and then they put all that hair into a pillow.

00:32:38 And then there was a display case of pillow, hair pillows.

00:32:42 - So it was a aquatic fraternity.

00:32:44 - Yeah, I mean, but it was,

00:32:45 and then like this guy named Jason Reiney and I,

00:32:48 we didn't follow some rules and we were surrounded

00:32:50 and they started hitting us.

00:32:51 (laughing)

00:32:52 - Code red.

00:32:53 - And I was like, this is, what the f***?

00:32:55 So he's now a lawyer for Microsoft

00:32:57 and married a friend of mine.

00:32:57 - But that's wild.

00:32:58 - Yeah, it was all stupid.

00:33:00 And so I was like, f*** these guys.

00:33:02 - Speaking as your new producer,

00:33:03 there's your next TV thing.

00:33:05 I mean, like bad rowers, you know.

00:33:08 - Bad rowers.

00:33:09 - Yeah.

00:33:10 - I think the sports that have the least amount of fans,

00:33:13 it used to be huge.

00:33:15 They have to make up their own culture.

00:33:16 - Yeah.

00:33:17 - And so, and after--

00:33:19 - But did you see, I can see this, a rowing show

00:33:21 where it's like, this like ultimate pettiness.

00:33:23 - Oh, I think it just got worse.

00:33:26 Because like that "Boys in the Boat" book

00:33:27 was about the University of Washington

00:33:29 when they seemed to be normal people who had a goal.

00:33:33 And yeah, and when I got on the football team,

00:33:37 the biggest hazing was singing at a dinner,

00:33:41 like, all right, get up there and sing.

00:33:42 And then like a skit night and that was it.

00:33:46 And then the rest of the time was like,

00:33:47 you gotta f***ing win.

00:33:49 And I thought that was--

00:33:50 - What was the singing?

00:33:52 - They were like, you just choose a song and sing it.

00:33:54 'Cause I read a lot of like, I don't know,

00:33:58 autobiographies of like Packers players from the '60s,

00:34:01 but like the amount of singing that went on,

00:34:03 they were constantly singing.

00:34:04 It seemed to be a big football thing.

00:34:06 - There should be more singing in car podcasts and--

00:34:10 - Oh, please don't start.

00:34:11 - Garage shops.

00:34:12 I mean, I feel like whenever I walk into a shop now,

00:34:14 it's just glaring, just blaring music.

00:34:16 - Yes.

00:34:17 - And I was like, so I feel like it's a part, you know,

00:34:21 I don't know.

00:34:22 - What did you see?

00:34:22 - Hang on, what?

00:34:23 High school, back to high school sports.

00:34:25 (laughing)

00:34:26 Were you, which was the best sport you were good at?

00:34:29 Sorry, which sport were you the best at?

00:34:30 You played basketball.

00:34:32 - Yeah, I was good.

00:34:33 I was on the varsity basketball team, so I was pretty good.

00:34:35 But you know, our team was really good.

00:34:37 - Six four, so you were a small--

00:34:39 - I was like a three or four.

00:34:42 But our team was very good.

00:34:45 And we were, we beat like eighth in the nation

00:34:49 and then we lost to 15th in the nation.

00:34:52 - Oh, wow.

00:34:53 - In a huge--

00:34:53 - So really good.

00:34:54 - We were good.

00:34:55 - Can you still dunk a basketball?

00:34:56 - No, my knees, I can get up there,

00:34:59 but I cannot actually, my knees are not what they were.

00:35:04 I also have a torn meniscus in my right knee.

00:35:06 I still play a lot of tennis.

00:35:07 - Never repaired?

00:35:08 - Never repaired it.

00:35:09 - They can fix that.

00:35:10 - They can, it's a still of like, well, we can,

00:35:13 you can't really, you can't sew it back together.

00:35:15 You just have to shave it off.

00:35:16 And I told my doctor, I was like,

00:35:20 I'm still playing tennis for a couple of hours,

00:35:22 like a few times a week.

00:35:23 And she was like, how much pain?

00:35:25 I'm like, not much.

00:35:26 She's like, don't get it fixed.

00:35:27 - Yeah.

00:35:28 - Tennis or paddle ball?

00:35:29 - You mean pickleball?

00:35:30 - Pickleball, sorry, whatever.

00:35:31 - Did you say paddle?

00:35:31 - I don't know, but same thing.

00:35:33 Are you playing pickleball?

00:35:34 - What is going on?

00:35:36 - Are you, I love--

00:35:37 - Now look at where I'm from.

00:35:38 - I love--

00:35:38 - You see where I'm from?

00:35:40 - I love, I love snobby tennis players

00:35:43 who hate on pickleball.

00:35:44 'Cause I don't care either way.

00:35:45 - Oh, I'm not, I'll tell you.

00:35:46 - I can't tell.

00:35:47 I can't tell.

00:35:48 - Are you, are you against it?

00:35:49 Like you--

00:35:50 - No, I'm from Seattle.

00:35:51 - Okay.

00:35:52 - Where it was invented.

00:35:53 - Oh, all right.

00:35:54 - Pickleball from Seattle.

00:35:55 - It's from Bainbridge Island.

00:35:56 - Yes.

00:35:56 - And it's, everyone played pickleball.

00:35:57 I played pickleball starting in '80.

00:35:59 - Oh, okay.

00:36:00 - And I would come to this,

00:36:01 I remember getting to LA in 2000.

00:36:03 I'd be like, do you play pickleball?

00:36:04 They're like, what are you talking about?

00:36:06 - Okay.

00:36:06 - And now all these young people are like,

00:36:08 oh, do you pickle?

00:36:09 And I'm like, I'll kick your ass all over this place.

00:36:12 - So it's funny 'cause Spike Farriston,

00:36:14 who you know, another former guest on our show,

00:36:16 and I'm on a podcast with him,

00:36:18 he's a huge tennis player.

00:36:20 Like he's, his whole life now is tennis.

00:36:21 He has no other interests.

00:36:23 And--

00:36:24 - He gave up cars?

00:36:25 - Basically, I mean, like the show,

00:36:27 he'll start talking about tennis on the podcast,

00:36:29 and we're just like, what?

00:36:30 But he hates pickleballers.

00:36:33 It's fantastic.

00:36:34 - Oh, I don't hate them.

00:36:35 - Okay.

00:36:36 - I just find it--

00:36:37 - You're one of them.

00:36:38 - People are like, oh, do you play?

00:36:38 And I'm like, it's one of those like old man thing,

00:36:41 where I'm like, yeah, I've been playing for 40 years.

00:36:42 - Exactly.

00:36:43 (laughing)

00:36:44 - Yes.

00:36:45 My dad rented a backhoe and moved,

00:36:48 he's like, removed our lawn in 1988,

00:36:50 and put in a cement slab, 'cause it's a smaller court.

00:36:53 - Yeah, yeah, it's smaller.

00:36:54 - I still don't understand whether you play,

00:36:56 like, is there a pickleball game scheduled this week for you?

00:37:01 Or is it only tennis?

00:37:02 - It is only tennis.

00:37:02 - It's only tennis, okay.

00:37:03 - I love, I'm guessing I'm like Spike.

00:37:06 It is what is on in my house.

00:37:08 - Yeah.

00:37:09 - I used to just be news,

00:37:10 and now it's all tennis tournaments.

00:37:11 - Some, I can't remember who it was,

00:37:13 the guy's name, but I think like IWC reached out to me,

00:37:18 and was like, hey, this guy who, you know,

00:37:20 he's like Federer's trainer or whatever,

00:37:23 is gonna give you a lesson.

00:37:24 I'm like, I have no interest,

00:37:25 but like Spike would probably like that.

00:37:27 And like, Spike's never been nice to me before.

00:37:29 And he was like, oh my God, thank you so much.

00:37:31 - That's amazing.

00:37:32 - Yeah.

00:37:33 - Wait, is Spike a secret?

00:37:34 - He's not secret, he's very open about it.

00:37:36 - Oh.

00:37:37 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:38 - I see.

00:37:38 - He's very out front.

00:37:39 - Well, Spike, I didn't realize you were like me.

00:37:42 - Yeah.

00:37:42 (laughing)

00:37:43 - I see no evidence of that so far.

00:37:45 - No, I think, 'cause I used to play as a kid

00:37:47 and I was on tennis team and stuff.

00:37:49 - I played, it's fun, yeah, tennis is good.

00:37:52 - And I hadn't played for 30 years or whatever.

00:37:55 I mean, I did not play it.

00:37:56 And then I caught the bug about three years ago

00:38:00 and it's all I think about.

00:38:02 - I've been, I've got my kid,

00:38:04 Spike gave my kid a racket and then I bought a racket

00:38:06 and we've been playing a little bit

00:38:08 'cause there's a court near us we can ride to.

00:38:09 And it's, yeah, it's fun.

00:38:11 - You accidentally just snapped the racket in half?

00:38:13 - No.

00:38:14 - With your--

00:38:14 - No, I could.

00:38:15 - Superhuman strength.

00:38:16 - I don't, I don't.

00:38:17 Hey man, if you want, I can--

00:38:19 - I have this instructor who changed my life.

00:38:21 He's basically like a therapist.

00:38:23 - Oh, cool.

00:38:24 - And it's great.

00:38:25 - That's awesome.

00:38:26 Good exercise.

00:38:27 - Shout out to him.

00:38:28 - Good, good, yeah.

00:38:29 Okay, what's it called, shadow mountain?

00:38:29 - It's an amazing exercise.

00:38:31 - Yeah, that's good.

00:38:32 - It's like a boxing match when you get into these matches.

00:38:35 - Yeah, and you do like three hours a day?

00:38:37 Are you like that hardcore?

00:38:39 - I would love to.

00:38:40 - Okay.

00:38:41 - Like, I go practice for at least 30 to an hour.

00:38:44 - Okay.

00:38:45 - If I have time.

00:38:46 - Wow.

00:38:47 - And then I lift weights.

00:38:48 - Yeah?

00:38:49 - Yeah, you can tell.

00:38:49 - What do you lift?

00:38:50 What do you deadlift?

00:38:51 I don't care about your bench.

00:38:52 What do you deadlift?

00:38:53 - Oh, well, you know.

00:38:55 - No.

00:38:56 - I--

00:38:57 (laughing)

00:38:58 - Clearly you guys are not looking at my Instagram.

00:39:00 I wrap with like 315.

00:39:02 - Okay.

00:39:03 - I think the most I ever did was 500.

00:39:05 - Okay.

00:39:07 - 'Cause I was, I started getting worried.

00:39:10 - No, you're good, good, you can keep getting stronger.

00:39:13 - Well, yeah.

00:39:14 - I'm going for my latest health kick,

00:39:18 besides just being too fat.

00:39:19 - The cold plunge?

00:39:20 - No.

00:39:21 - Everybody.

00:39:22 - Are you doing cold plunges?

00:39:23 - No!

00:39:23 - No, that's always a--

00:39:24 (laughing)

00:39:25 - No, there's these things in Scotland

00:39:27 called the Dinny Stones,

00:39:29 and together they weigh 733 pounds,

00:39:31 they're on iron handles,

00:39:32 and you only pick them up like an inch or so,

00:39:33 but I wanna do that,

00:39:35 but you have to send them a 300 kilogram deadlift video

00:39:38 to even be invited to try to pick them up.

00:39:42 - Wait, just picking up rocks?

00:39:43 - Yeah, you gotta pick up rocks.

00:39:44 - With handles?

00:39:45 - They got stone iron ring handles,

00:39:47 you gotta do like a hook grip, it's a whole thing,

00:39:48 but I gotta get my deadlift back up to--

00:39:51 - Why don't you just,

00:39:52 there's so many things you can pick up.

00:39:53 - Because they write your name in a book

00:39:55 that you picked up the Dinny Stones.

00:39:55 - Oh my lord.

00:39:56 - Yeah.

00:39:57 - And then they're gonna ship them over for what?

00:39:59 - No, you go to Scotland.

00:39:59 - For three grand?

00:40:00 - No, you go to Scotland.

00:40:01 - How do you get them over here?

00:40:02 - You don't get them over here,

00:40:03 you go to Scotland and pick them up.

00:40:05 - And what, check them?

00:40:07 - No, you don't buy them, you just go there to lift it up.

00:40:09 - The Dinny Stones live in a town in Scotland.

00:40:11 - Oh, it's an event.

00:40:13 - Well, here's your show.

00:40:15 - I don't really need a show, I'm just gonna do it.

00:40:17 But I gotta get my deadlift.

00:40:18 - This is a measuring contest of unprecedented.

00:40:21 - You mean, we're already tiny.

00:40:23 - Not tiny, yeah, yeah.

00:40:24 - Well, I actually have four very small,

00:40:27 it looks like a mushroom,

00:40:28 like mushrooms in your lawn, just very, barely.

00:40:32 - I was talking about the stone thing.

00:40:34 - But 500's legit, but you could do more,

00:40:37 you could do more.

00:40:37 - No, I used to, I now don't push it.

00:40:40 So I'll get up to 315 and I'll wrap with that,

00:40:43 but I am trying not to.

00:40:45 - What are you worried about?

00:40:47 Knee, back?

00:40:48 - Just all those things.

00:40:49 And I just like, okay, I do try to lift heavy

00:40:55 once or twice a week and just really go for it,

00:40:58 but you have to be very careful.

00:40:59 I just wanna, and then if I feel anything weird,

00:41:02 I'm like, I'm done.

00:41:03 - Yeah, yeah, no, I don't,

00:41:06 none of that I was ever good at bench pressing,

00:41:07 but I just don't, it's not worth

00:41:10 like tearing your shoulders apart, so.

00:41:12 - I can show you how to do it.

00:41:13 - Ah, you know, I like overhead.

00:41:15 - A slight incline is.

00:41:16 - I like pushups, I like overhead presses.

00:41:19 - Kettlebells, you like kettlebells?

00:41:21 - I love kettlebells, that's my jam, kettlebells.

00:41:23 And sandbags, I got a 155 pound sandbag the other day.

00:41:27 Super fun.

00:41:29 - But sleep on it or what do you do?

00:41:30 - You pick it up and walk around with it.

00:41:33 - And then your wife is like, you could just, you know,

00:41:37 move stuff around and rearrange the furniture.

00:41:38 - Well, you'll love this,

00:41:39 my in-laws bought my kid a sandbox,

00:41:43 like the worst present of all time,

00:41:45 because then you have a sandbox in your backyard

00:41:46 that your kid will never touch.

00:41:48 - And there's sand everywhere.

00:41:49 - Yes, the giant neighborhood kitty litter box.

00:41:52 - My wife's like, we should get rid of the sandbox.

00:41:53 I'm like, what the hell do you do with sand?

00:41:55 Like, you know, so I bought.

00:41:57 - Pour it down the toilet, into a gas tank.

00:41:59 - Right, so I bought two sandbags and filled them up,

00:42:02 and now we're sandbag, sandbox.

00:42:04 - And you were like, look, I recycled the sand.

00:42:06 - She was just happy that the,

00:42:09 she was happy the sandbox was gone,

00:42:12 and now there's two sandbags.

00:42:14 - All right, well, in conclusion, exercise is important.

00:42:18 - Yes.

00:42:19 - In high school, shooting guard,

00:42:22 shooting guard, high school quarterback.

00:42:23 - I was not a shooting guard.

00:42:24 - Sorry, not shooting guard.

00:42:25 - Three, so I was, I played a big, I was bigger,

00:42:29 but wasn't the big man.

00:42:32 - What car did you pass your driver's test?

00:42:36 - Ooh, back to cars.

00:42:38 - This is high school.

00:42:39 - It was a Peugeot 505.

00:42:41 - Really?

00:42:42 - Yes.

00:42:43 - Rad.

00:42:44 - Sedan, gold.

00:42:45 - No, it was automatic, and it was my dad's car,

00:42:49 which was, we had a, we also had a Peugeot 504.

00:42:54 - Oh, nice.

00:42:55 - I mean, we had cars that were.

00:42:55 - Why did your parents hate America?

00:42:56 Like, what's wrong with their America?

00:42:57 - Why did they hate America?

00:42:58 - Yeah, stop it, I'm just kidding.

00:42:59 - Well, here's the list.

00:43:02 - My dad, we, I remember my dad.

00:43:03 - It was just Idaho that we hated.

00:43:05 - Perfect.

00:43:07 - No, it was Boise, specifically, because, I don't know,

00:43:12 I'm sorry, every other part, I'm into,

00:43:14 Coeur d'Alene, Ketchum, whatever.

00:43:15 - Yeah, Boise, yeah.

00:43:16 - First of all, Peugeot 504s and fives were awesome.

00:43:21 I mean, it was like the five series.

00:43:23 - We loved them.

00:43:24 - Competitor, and do you remember the wagon?

00:43:26 They had the 505 wagon, which was.

00:43:27 - And we had diesels, so you knew when we were coming.

00:43:30 - Ooh, boy.

00:43:31 I remember my dad, we went to the LA Auto Show

00:43:33 when I was, I don't know, 12 or something,

00:43:34 and he was lusting after, they had a 505 wagon on display.

00:43:37 He was like, "We gotta get that, we gotta get that."

00:43:39 - But I was saying, your parents love Fiats,

00:43:40 and you moved to the US, and now you're in Peugeots.

00:43:43 - Yeah, well, we also had a Fiat Spider,

00:43:45 that my dad had for a while,

00:43:46 where he would do his own oil changes,

00:43:48 and that thing would break down every 10 minutes.

00:43:50 - Yeah, that's fine.

00:43:51 - And it was cool.

00:43:52 - That's normal.

00:43:53 - We got rid of that before I was a driver,

00:43:54 and then we had, of course,

00:43:56 we then had the Toyota Camry, 1989,

00:43:59 which was, '87, which was the most

00:44:01 insanely reliable car we could ever.

00:44:04 - That's what happens. - We literally called it

00:44:05 the good car.

00:44:07 - There's all these theories about,

00:44:09 why did the Japanese take over?

00:44:10 But all it was was, everybody,

00:44:13 if you were into Italian, French, American, German,

00:44:16 and then you got a Japanese car, you're like,

00:44:18 "Huh, it doesn't break."

00:44:20 - Does not break.

00:44:21 - That's all it was.

00:44:22 There was no magic. - That's exactly it.

00:44:23 - Yeah, there was no magic, 'cause my dad was a GM guy.

00:44:28 He loved exotic sports cars, but he liked just for cars,

00:44:31 always GM, bought an Acura,

00:44:33 never bought another nationality of car again.

00:44:36 It was just Japanese.

00:44:37 - 'Cause that was the same way.

00:44:38 We were a Toyota and Honda family until,

00:44:42 for a long time, and my dad, whatever doctor

00:44:44 could afford whatever, he did buy,

00:44:45 he had a Mercedes Benz, that was his first treat to himself.

00:44:48 - And a Porsche 930.

00:44:49 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:49 But the family car--

00:44:51 - This is like--

00:44:52 - And a Porsche 959, they only made 11 of it.

00:44:56 The car, the family cars were all Japanese

00:44:59 until my dad, in the '90s, late '90s,

00:45:01 read "The Rape of Nanking."

00:45:04 And then it kind of brought back all the stuff,

00:45:05 and he's like, "You know what?

00:45:06 "No more Japanese cars ever again."

00:45:08 - Wow.

00:45:09 - Now it was only German cars.

00:45:10 - Right, 'cause that's not a problematic history either.

00:45:13 - I can give him some books on what Germany was doing.

00:45:16 - Well, not to somebody of Chinese descent.

00:45:18 It's not that--

00:45:19 - Oh, okay, I see.

00:45:21 Well, "The Rape of Nanking" was horrible.

00:45:22 - Yes, so--

00:45:23 - One of the worst things that's ever happened.

00:45:24 - I've read that book, yes.

00:45:25 - Let's take it, yeah.

00:45:26 Sorry to turn it--

00:45:27 - I mean, that one was pretty rough.

00:45:29 - Yeah, okay.

00:45:30 - Anyway, wait, hold on.

00:45:32 We also had, when we grew up in a Dodge Aspen--

00:45:34 - Oh, I was gonna say, like, hold on.

00:45:36 - Here's how I really feel.

00:45:38 - You should've seen what the Japanese did to the Koreans.

00:45:40 - Oh, that's very true.

00:45:41 - And the Filipinos.

00:45:44 So you're saying Dodge?

00:45:45 - That was also an insanely reliable car,

00:45:48 the Dodge Aspen with the Slant-6 engine.

00:45:52 - Slant-6s are unkillable.

00:45:53 - Yep, it was a great car, and we never should've sold it.

00:45:56 But there was a lot of VW bugs in our life

00:45:59 that were of different,

00:46:01 the first car my dad bought for us,

00:46:03 he paid 350 bucks for, and it broke the same day.

00:46:06 And we're like, well--

00:46:07 - Awesome.

00:46:08 - Here we are, and then he paid $2,000 for a refurbished bug

00:46:11 and we were like, this is the greatest car.

00:46:13 And then my brother totaled it, and that was great.

00:46:16 - I don't normally,

00:46:17 that's the high school driver's class question quite a bit,

00:46:20 but I don't think I've asked you.

00:46:22 Do you know what car you were, you came back,

00:46:24 I assume it's a car, came back from the hospital in?

00:46:27 - It would've been a bug.

00:46:29 In Italy.

00:46:30 - In Italy.

00:46:31 - Yeah, it was a bug.

00:46:32 - 1973 Buick LeSabre, blue.

00:46:35 - I was also a bug.

00:46:36 - I'm being like, where you're like,

00:46:38 what it was like 2001 Cutlass Sierra.

00:46:41 What?

00:46:42 How?

00:46:43 How did you get that car from?

00:46:44 No, but it was, I know the car.

00:46:47 - Yeah, that's awesome.

00:46:49 - Bug, Super Beetle, '73, I think.

00:46:51 - Your dad had a Super Beetle?

00:46:53 I can't even imagine that.

00:46:54 His dad's a heart surgeon.

00:46:56 - Not a heart, it's cardiologist.

00:46:58 - Whatever.

00:46:58 - Doesn't count people.

00:46:59 - Okay, fine, he's a heart doctor.

00:47:01 Well, different, a heart surgeon's

00:47:03 different from a cardiologist.

00:47:04 - Yes.

00:47:05 - Okay.

00:47:06 - 'Cause a surgeon--

00:47:06 - Sorry.

00:47:07 - Oh, okay.

00:47:08 - Yeah, still, same.

00:47:09 - My dad's reading like an EKG.

00:47:11 - Was he like all those surgeons

00:47:12 think they're so much better than everybody?

00:47:14 - Maybe, yeah.

00:47:15 They like to cut things, you know?

00:47:17 - But can you imagine with a beetle that's wild?

00:47:20 - Well, it's an affordable car.

00:47:21 - I guess.

00:47:22 - Just sat there.

00:47:23 - Yeah, exactly.

00:47:25 - Just sat there, yeah.

00:47:25 - No car seats.

00:47:26 - It was like, I've got them in my arm.

00:47:27 - Right.

00:47:28 - No car, no child seats.

00:47:30 - Did they have shoulder belts at that point?

00:47:32 - Front Beetles wouldn't have anything.

00:47:34 - They would have lap belts.

00:47:35 - Maybe, maybe.

00:47:36 They didn't have shoulder belts.

00:47:38 - Yeah, the souls, you know,

00:47:40 like people talk about the car soul,

00:47:41 and I loved our, I loved every,

00:47:45 you know, like that Camry, it got,

00:47:47 it was my brother's, I worked that poor car over

00:47:50 forever and ever, it was my mom's car too,

00:47:52 so it was, yeah, it was sad when it left.

00:47:55 - When you moved to, all right, so I--

00:47:58 - LA?

00:47:59 - Yeah, when you moved to LA, there's a,

00:48:00 I listened to the Dax Shepard podcast you did with him,

00:48:04 "Care Expert" in 2018, and there's,

00:48:07 you talk about you didn't come to Hollywood

00:48:08 until you were 29.

00:48:11 - Yeah.

00:48:11 - What'd you do between graduating

00:48:14 University of Washington and 29?

00:48:15 - I don't remember.

00:48:16 (laughing)

00:48:17 Excellent answer.

00:48:18 - I have no idea.

00:48:19 - Good.

00:48:20 - Well, I graduated from college,

00:48:22 and then I very luckily got a job on television

00:48:26 in Seattle for a sketch comedy show called "Almost Live,"

00:48:30 which was at one point broadcast on Comedy Central.

00:48:33 It was where like Bill Nye the Science Guy got started,

00:48:36 and they took pity on me and gave me a job.

00:48:39 I was an intern, and then, so that was like a good job.

00:48:44 Like I had, like it paid me money.

00:48:46 Like I actually had a job, and it was great.

00:48:49 It was, and I super, as you probably heard in the podcast,

00:48:53 very dyslexic, so reading lines off of cameras

00:48:56 on live television or semi-live television

00:48:59 was some of the most intimidating thing.

00:49:02 I could barely do it.

00:49:04 - When did you get diagnosed?

00:49:05 I mean, are you actually dyslexic?

00:49:07 - I am, yes.

00:49:08 - When did you get diagnosed?

00:49:10 - 10 years ago.

00:49:11 - Oh, okay, so you didn't know.

00:49:12 You just thought you were like--

00:49:13 - I was just like, thought I was,

00:49:14 I was told I was a slow starter.

00:49:16 - Slow starter.

00:49:17 It's a good episode.

00:49:17 - Yes, good times.

00:49:19 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:20 - But so they--

00:49:21 - I don't listen to podcasts.

00:49:21 - What the?

00:49:22 - Go ahead.

00:49:23 - Just doctor death.

00:49:25 And no, so then I got married in Seattle in '96,

00:49:30 and then I decided, I was like, well,

00:49:34 I told my wife, I was like, we have to go to LA or New York.

00:49:37 And so I left the job on TV,

00:49:40 and I went to graduate school for acting

00:49:42 at the University of Washington.

00:49:43 So I spent a lot of time there.

00:49:45 And I, then when we finally, that was over, finally,

00:49:50 that was like three years, then we moved.

00:49:51 And my poor wife, you know,

00:49:52 she was basically putting up all the money and supported me.

00:49:57 - Wow, that's cool.

00:49:58 - Yeah, and then, you know, that was 23 years ago.

00:50:01 - Would you recommend an MFA in acting?

00:50:05 - I didn't go for the degree.

00:50:08 Like you can't go like, I wanna be in movies.

00:50:11 Here's my degree.

00:50:13 That does not obviously work that way.

00:50:15 For teaching, it's very good to have,

00:50:17 but I just wanted the acting training.

00:50:19 And I think that's what most people who go into it go like,

00:50:23 whether it's a conservatory like, you know,

00:50:26 like Juilliard or a full MFA program,

00:50:30 as opposed to, not being a full,

00:50:31 they're full on programs, obviously,

00:50:34 but it comes down to the teachers and your desire to do it.

00:50:38 So you work your ass off and the hours are crazy, but.

00:50:42 - Did you do, I mean, you probably did some like,

00:50:44 you know, undergrad teaching, but did you,

00:50:46 have you done teaching since you got your MFA?

00:50:48 - No, but I did when I was, got my MFA,

00:50:52 I did teach for a year.

00:50:53 It was really fun.

00:50:54 I really screwed up a lot of those actors,

00:50:56 really led them the wrong way.

00:50:59 More facial expressions.

00:51:00 No, but I, no, I have not since, but boy, I should.

00:51:06 - I would be good.

00:51:06 - Another revenue stream.

00:51:07 - No.

00:51:08 (laughing)

00:51:09 - So when you arrived in LA.

00:51:12 - What car?

00:51:13 - Yeah, just to say, like what car?

00:51:15 And then also when you talked about Subaru STIs,

00:51:18 like that's the car.

00:51:19 What, what did you come in and what,

00:51:21 what was the first car you bought when you made it?

00:51:24 You're like, I got the first big check.

00:51:25 - Oh, us.

00:51:27 Well, we arrived in LA with a '95 Camry LE.

00:51:32 - Oh, so you really sucked with the Toyota thing.

00:51:35 - Yeah, that was stolen.

00:51:36 - Oh, good, okay.

00:51:37 Camry's very easy to steal.

00:51:38 - I was in the military and they were like,

00:51:41 six months later, they're like, we found your car.

00:51:43 - You don't want it.

00:51:44 - The dashboard is in the back seat.

00:51:47 And yeah, and then that was the first time,

00:51:50 an LA cop joked to me.

00:51:52 He was like, all right, so if you see it on the street,

00:51:54 don't get in it.

00:51:55 They'll assume you are the thief and we'll shoot you.

00:51:58 - Cops love that joke.

00:52:00 That's their favorite joke.

00:52:01 - I'm like, ha ha ha, okay.

00:52:03 - I have a friend, I go, how you doing?

00:52:04 He goes, ah, good, I haven't had to shoot anybody

00:52:06 in like two weeks.

00:52:07 I was like, that's so not funny.

00:52:09 - Wonderful, wonderful.

00:52:11 And then my wife, God bless her, bought a,

00:52:13 she was like, I bought a station wagon.

00:52:17 I'm like, you did?

00:52:18 And she was like, a Volvo 850R.

00:52:20 - Rah!

00:52:21 - I was like, you bought a sports car, baby?

00:52:23 And it was great.

00:52:24 - New?

00:52:25 - No, it was not, it was used.

00:52:27 And it, oh, the--

00:52:29 - Oh, 850Rs are sweet.

00:52:30 - Oh, it was so fast, so great,

00:52:33 but the air conditioning was so--

00:52:35 - Sweden.

00:52:36 - So in Sweden, you don't need air conditioning.

00:52:38 - Right, but it didn't work.

00:52:40 And then we'd pay the, you know,

00:52:41 we'd take it to the Volvo deal,

00:52:42 and the guy was like, welcome.

00:52:45 - Yes, yeah.

00:52:46 - Get you--

00:52:47 - That's a classic problem with Saabs and Volvos

00:52:49 is their air conditioning's horrible in LA, yeah.

00:52:51 - You did, yeah, that's--

00:52:52 - Great, great Northeast cars.

00:52:54 Everyone in Connecticut running around in their Saabs.

00:52:56 - That's the best thing about American cars,

00:52:57 they blow the coldest air.

00:52:58 - Sure, you can hang meat, yeah.

00:53:00 - But then I started working in commercials,

00:53:04 'cause I couldn't get an agent,

00:53:05 and no one would hire me.

00:53:06 - That's the trick, yeah.

00:53:08 - And I just started making commercials,

00:53:09 and I actually started making good money,

00:53:10 and I bought a Honda S2000 used.

00:53:12 - Oh, nice.

00:53:13 - Which I totally fit in.

00:53:15 (laughing)

00:53:16 I didn't look like I was getting out of a clown car

00:53:18 when I put gas into it.

00:53:20 Which I love that car,

00:53:21 but if I had ever gotten into an accident,

00:53:23 I mean, the margins for my fitting in that car.

00:53:27 - Yes.

00:53:28 - And then I bought an STI.

00:53:29 - So you never put the top up in that car, zing.

00:53:31 - No, no, never did.

00:53:33 But then I realized, I don't like the sun

00:53:35 shining down on me.

00:53:36 And then when you're in the high, you're like,

00:53:38 yeah, how's it going?

00:53:39 - Yeah, you're very exposed.

00:53:40 - And so then I just, the top always stayed up.

00:53:43 And so then I'm like, what am I doing?

00:53:45 It's a beautiful car,

00:53:46 and the engine was pretty incredible.

00:53:48 - Those engines are rad, yeah.

00:53:49 - F20. - Revved to 9,000,

00:53:50 which was really cool for that price point.

00:53:52 - Had the cool little volume knob on the left,

00:53:54 like the little toggle.

00:53:55 - But that's cool you had STIs,

00:53:57 'cause I had, I was, I had like the WRX wagons.

00:53:59 I had two WRX wagons.

00:54:00 - Amazing.

00:54:01 - We didn't get there.

00:54:02 - What's that?

00:54:03 So what commercial, what was the big,

00:54:06 the big breakthrough commercial that got you?

00:54:08 - Oh, I did.

00:54:09 - What would we have seen you in?

00:54:12 - I did like a zillion Burger King ads

00:54:15 that were based on the British office.

00:54:16 - I was gonna say Burger King, but that's really funny.

00:54:19 - That paid, and then I did a McDonald's ad,

00:54:21 like before that, that was a regional McDonald's ad.

00:54:24 So, but the guy, he goes, oh, this is gonna be a good one

00:54:27 'cause it's gonna run for years.

00:54:28 They're just inserting your face,

00:54:30 and then it'll be like, come down to the,

00:54:32 you know, the, I don't know, like the Tampa McDonald's,

00:54:36 we have this deal, and then they would show me,

00:54:38 and that worked out really well.

00:54:40 - So your face, someone else's voice over to the,

00:54:44 so you were just used all over Florida?

00:54:46 - No, used all over the country for, yeah,

00:54:48 for just like local McDonald's deals,

00:54:51 but they were sent this generic ad.

00:54:55 - Yeah, so it's like B-roll, you made some B-roll,

00:54:57 and they would put like, you know, like, come down.

00:54:58 - Local McDonald's.

00:54:59 - Yeah, yeah, Knoxville.

00:55:01 - Were you wearing the outfit and the,

00:55:02 like the headset you were wearing?

00:55:03 - No, it was about me having, getting my day done.

00:55:08 Like I woke up, showered, like they did all these things

00:55:12 in fast motion, and then like going to work and-

00:55:15 - Oh, you're the customer, not the guy.

00:55:16 I was assuming you were the guy.

00:55:17 - Yeah, I was the customer.

00:55:18 - Okay. - Yeah.

00:55:19 - What's a residual check like that look like?

00:55:20 - For like, I mean, it says my name on them.

00:55:22 - But is it like, is it like two cents,

00:55:24 but you're getting like a thousand of them or something?

00:55:27 Like how much?

00:55:27 - No, it was- - That's $200.

00:55:29 - I couldn't, it all just-

00:55:30 - No, but I'm saying like-

00:55:30 - Came to my agency and they,

00:55:33 they would have a tally of how much money you were making.

00:55:37 Like, this is how much you've made this year.

00:55:39 And then my wife, we always get very excited

00:55:42 when we would see the checks.

00:55:43 And I remember the moment they were like,

00:55:46 we, you made over a hundred thousand dollars this year.

00:55:48 And I'm just be like, what?

00:55:50 What kind of a world am I living?

00:55:52 - Incomprehensible amount of money.

00:55:53 - I can't believe this.

00:55:54 - Right, right, right.

00:55:56 - And 'cause we were renting an apartment and LA was,

00:55:59 in even, I know everyone thinks everything's so shocking now

00:56:02 but then it was still shocking.

00:56:03 Like you have to pay what here for rent?

00:56:05 And so that I remember that moment where I was like,

00:56:09 we made this much money.

00:56:11 I can't believe it.

00:56:12 I'm contributing to our family.

00:56:13 - That's great.

00:56:14 - Yeah, I'm a friend of mine.

00:56:15 He's, I guess we can't talk about films,

00:56:17 but he's a, he's a film writer.

00:56:19 And he, when he, when he got a million dollars,

00:56:21 - Yeah.

00:56:22 - He had a million dollars in his checking account

00:56:24 and he wouldn't pay bills for two months.

00:56:26 - Just.

00:56:27 - 'Cause he's literally had one million.

00:56:29 - And then.

00:56:29 - And he's like, if it went down,

00:56:30 he would not be a millionaire.

00:56:31 - And then half a million dollars in penalty fees

00:56:33 for being late on the bills.

00:56:34 - Oh yeah, yeah, no, he ruined it.

00:56:35 But he, it was really funny.

00:56:36 He just kept showing me, he's like,

00:56:37 "Look, I have a million dollars."

00:56:38 I'm like, "Okay, but you gotta, you know,

00:56:40 you gotta, your daughter needs to eat, you know."

00:56:43 - You were like, this would have been really great in 1905.

00:56:45 - Right, right.

00:56:46 - When you could have owned a mountain range.

00:56:48 - Yes, yeah, it's not.

00:56:49 - And your own train car.

00:56:50 But no, I, those early years we, it was,

00:56:54 yeah, I could not get an agent, so.

00:56:57 - So, but like, if you back then,

00:56:59 like a national commercial, was a good payday, right?

00:57:02 - Yes, yeah.

00:57:02 - That was a good payday.

00:57:03 - 'Cause people, I don't know if they ever think about it,

00:57:05 but like I have friends, obviously, I grew up here,

00:57:08 people, I know a lot of people do commercials,

00:57:10 and like, it's like, oh, you got like, what, 50?

00:57:13 - Yeah, you could end up getting 50 grand.

00:57:14 - 40 or 50.

00:57:15 - 40, 50, yeah.

00:57:16 - You could, there was, the only problem was like,

00:57:19 sometimes you'd shoot these big ads

00:57:21 and then they would never get used.

00:57:22 - Yes.

00:57:23 - So you'd get your day rate.

00:57:25 - Yeah, but you wouldn't get the second part of it.

00:57:26 - You wouldn't get any residuals for use.

00:57:28 And now that's all, yeah, it's all kind of,

00:57:30 now it doesn't work the same.

00:57:32 - Right.

00:57:33 - It's partially why we're all doing this, so.

00:57:35 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:36 - This big strike, and so that, in the '80s,

00:57:39 I mean, you could buy, if you were in a Nesty Plunge ad,

00:57:43 you could buy Beverly Hills.

00:57:45 - Right.

00:57:47 - But it was still like,

00:57:48 that's all I was doing was commercials,

00:57:50 and I was like, this is, I literally was like,

00:57:53 well, if I can't get on TV or movies,

00:57:54 then I will just be the greatest commercial actor of all time.

00:57:58 I literally was like, well, this is what I'm doing.

00:57:59 - But there's people who, like, you know,

00:58:01 like, I don't know if anyone does like just commercials,

00:58:03 but you do like commercials, ADR, background work.

00:58:07 You can make a real living, you know?

00:58:09 - You can.

00:58:09 - Yeah, or at least you could.

00:58:11 I mean, I know that's what--

00:58:12 - What was your, what was on your headshot?

00:58:15 What was the, what was your description?

00:58:17 What was like, you know?

00:58:19 - There was no, there was white dude actor.

00:58:21 - That's what I'm saying.

00:58:22 - There's only a few of us.

00:58:23 (laughing)

00:58:25 - So you had to set yourself apart.

00:58:26 Like, what did you, did you put like, you could--

00:58:28 - No, you never--

00:58:29 - Nothing, there's like--

00:58:30 - All that--

00:58:31 - Was there a picture of you, like,

00:58:32 doing a karate pose or something, or?

00:58:33 - Racist.

00:58:34 - Do your own stunts?

00:58:35 - No, no.

00:58:36 (laughing)

00:58:37 I remember early on, there was like,

00:58:38 you have to have a happy face, and then the serious face,

00:58:41 and that was in high school and like college,

00:58:43 when then, and then like, I remember like getting here,

00:58:45 and they were like, don't do any of that.

00:58:47 - Okay.

00:58:48 - And no, they, it was, there was no sort of,

00:58:52 I mean, it listed theater credits and stuff,

00:58:55 but you know, when you look at that, I, my,

00:58:58 I noticed in, when I would go into auditions,

00:59:01 that I would always improvise, and usually that I could,

00:59:06 there was really, I mean,

00:59:08 there's so many great improvisers here,

00:59:09 but that's what I would end up doing,

00:59:11 and, or I would, I would memorize the commercial scripts,

00:59:13 'cause so many people would walk in and just read it,

00:59:15 and I'd be like, I'm gonna be off book.

00:59:17 - 30 seconds.

00:59:18 - Yeah, and I remember like, I was like,

00:59:21 each one of these is gonna be a performance,

00:59:23 and so, and I, and then when you start getting,

00:59:26 this is like any casting director, but when you get,

00:59:29 like when they're like, oh, that guy was good

00:59:31 in that audition, he didn't get that one,

00:59:33 but I should bring him in for this one,

00:59:34 'cause they're looking for something similar,

00:59:36 and then, once you get into that game, then it's great,

00:59:41 and then you get to go and know a couple directors.

00:59:44 I still work with a couple of the directors

00:59:45 that I worked back with, like in 2003,

00:59:48 that they're still around, and like, if I ever,

00:59:51 if they're like, who do you wanna work with?

00:59:52 I was like, here's my list of people that I'd love

00:59:55 to be with, but, so it's like, everyone's always like,

00:59:58 oh, it's Hollywood, it's just who you know.

01:00:00 Yes, it's a lot, just like any other business.

01:00:02 - Just like any other business.

01:00:03 - All the mechanics know all the other mechanics,

01:00:05 all the lawyers know all the other lawyers,

01:00:06 and all the actors and directors,

01:00:08 they all know each other, so.

01:00:09 - But you were, you came, you were doing commercial work,

01:00:12 but hoping to land a gig as any kind of TV film leading

01:00:17 or sort of regular cast.

01:00:19 - Yeah, no, I was like, I was open to,

01:00:22 I wanted to be in film and television, that was my dream.

01:00:25 But that was where, like, many of my actor friends

01:00:28 would be like, oh, I wouldn't do that, that's not the thing.

01:00:31 And, but I was like, this, Greg Kinnear did this,

01:00:34 and that guy has an Oscar nomination,

01:00:36 so this seems like, 'cause I realized,

01:00:39 or, and someone said that Hollywood, yes,

01:00:41 it's a lot, you have to have a lot of talent,

01:00:43 and then, but it's also a popularity contest.

01:00:45 - Yeah, and perseverance, though, right?

01:00:47 I mean, you gotta keep going back.

01:00:49 Like, no one nails their,

01:00:51 very few people nail their first audition.

01:00:53 - Or their thousandth.

01:00:54 - Yeah, yeah.

01:00:55 - Yeah, I mean, Harrison Ford,

01:00:56 when he got his Golden Globe lifetime achievement,

01:01:00 before the Golden Globes were problematic,

01:01:02 (laughing)

01:01:04 he was like, literally said, like, I, this,

01:01:08 I'm only here because everyone else left.

01:01:10 - Yeah, yeah, he was a set carpenter.

01:01:12 - Yeah, there's truth to that.

01:01:13 He also is a phenomenal actor, obviously.

01:01:16 - Generational talent, we get all that.

01:01:18 - But he was like, everyone else left,

01:01:19 and that's, just showing up is more than half the battle.

01:01:24 - Do you think you're,

01:01:25 this is a super ignorant question,

01:01:27 do you think you're too tall for some of the,

01:01:29 I look at all of the--

01:01:30 - For you, yes.

01:01:31 - For me.

01:01:32 But like, a lot of the Tom Cruises,

01:01:36 they're way shorter than they--

01:01:37 - They adjust, right?

01:01:38 So that's the thing.

01:01:39 - Yeah, they may call--

01:01:40 - They got boxes, apple crates and stuff.

01:01:42 - Yeah, well, like, Charlton Heston's like, 6'6",

01:01:44 so, you know, like, there's all sorts of super tall dudes

01:01:48 and super short dudes that's all different sizes.

01:01:51 But they don't go, sorry,

01:01:52 there's a height maximum on this movie.

01:01:55 - I don't know, I was just thinking like,

01:01:56 in terms of like, in an ensemble cast,

01:01:58 like, he's this guy, he's, you know,

01:01:59 look at Friends, everybody at Friends is like the same height.

01:02:01 - But they got, no, they got boxes and stuff.

01:02:03 - Well, I've been in multiple shows

01:02:06 where if I'm in a conversation,

01:02:08 the other person's standing on a box.

01:02:09 - Yeah, it's Hollywood magic here.

01:02:12 - I mean, it's not really that magic.

01:02:13 - I know, I know.

01:02:14 - It's a box.

01:02:15 - It's a, you're standing on a box.

01:02:16 - I know, you go back to like--

01:02:18 - Yeah, yeah.

01:02:19 - In, look, in Greek tragedy, right,

01:02:21 they wanted the guy who had the biggest head.

01:02:24 That's the thing I read, like,

01:02:25 'cause the guy in the stands in the Acropolis

01:02:28 has to see this guy's facial features.

01:02:30 They had actually a mask on him and big voice, big head.

01:02:32 - They have to see his facial features through a mask.

01:02:35 - Well, depending if you wear a mask--

01:02:36 - It was a long time ago.

01:02:37 - So it was really about the costumers, like,

01:02:38 look, this, we have this extra, extra large mask.

01:02:42 - First this guy, yeah.

01:02:43 - I mean, you, there's all, until,

01:02:47 whenever I hear like, oh, well, this is what you gotta do,

01:02:49 I'm like, well, until somebody does something different.

01:02:51 - Yeah.

01:02:52 - And then all of a sudden it's all different.

01:02:54 - All right, I wanna change this a little bit,

01:02:56 'cause we can't really talk about a lot of what you do

01:02:57 because of the strength, but we can talk about--

01:02:59 - Of course.

01:03:00 - My son's favorite show.

01:03:01 - Yes.

01:03:02 - Suddenly, Crime Scene Kitchen.

01:03:05 - Crime Scene Kitchen on Fox.

01:03:06 - I am loving this show, and it was like,

01:03:09 it was one of those, like, 'cause we were big

01:03:10 Lego Masters fans, and it was like, you know,

01:03:12 the Lego Masters--

01:03:14 - We learned that, he's amazing.

01:03:16 - He is really great, but like, it's like, you know,

01:03:19 it's still traditional TV where you can't binge it,

01:03:21 you gotta wait every week, and so it's like,

01:03:23 watch Crime Scene Kitchen, and I'm like,

01:03:25 oh, that's my friend Joel, okay, we can watch,

01:03:27 like, thinking of, like, you know,

01:03:29 but it was actually, it's really good.

01:03:30 - It's a good show.

01:03:32 - Tell us about this show, 'cause it is--

01:03:34 - A crime has been committed.

01:03:36 (laughing)

01:03:38 - No, it's, we always made all those jokes, like,

01:03:41 so a chef's been murdered.

01:03:43 - Oh, that one I would watch.

01:03:44 - And you must complete this recipe.

01:03:45 - Uh-oh.

01:03:46 - So, no, it's where teams of bakers go into a kitchen--

01:03:51 - And it's a dessert show.

01:03:52 - It is a dessert show, it's a cooking show,

01:03:54 and something's been made, there's no recipe,

01:03:57 and then they, they're like, oh, there's some fondant,

01:04:00 there's some flour, there's some, yeah,

01:04:03 like, whatever spices, and then they have to guess

01:04:05 what it is and then make it, and then,

01:04:08 who's ever closest wins that round,

01:04:11 and whichever tastes best,

01:04:13 if everyone's getting the right thing.

01:04:15 So you don't know what they're like--

01:04:17 - So in other words, if two people come up with, like,

01:04:20 oh, that was a lemon meringue pie,

01:04:22 the one that tastes better would then win.

01:04:24 - Right, if there was two or three lemon meringue pies.

01:04:26 - Right, but if there's only one lemon meringue pie,

01:04:28 then they win the safety part of it.

01:04:30 - Yeah, then they get, then they're safe.

01:04:32 - Wait, wait, wait, does somebody come,

01:04:33 does, like, the pros come in, make something,

01:04:37 and then that thing is squirreled away,

01:04:40 and then you guys come in after,

01:04:41 try to figure out how to make the same thing?

01:04:42 Is that kind of the shtick?

01:04:43 - Well, it being, you know, the magic of television,

01:04:46 they, there's a whole group of bakers

01:04:49 who set these challenges, but they have to, you know,

01:04:54 they have to be able, they have to bring in other pros

01:04:57 to go, can you guess what it is?

01:04:58 - Oh, but they don't actually,

01:04:59 the first team doesn't actually make the thing.

01:05:01 It's not like you're comparing, you're not comparing, like--

01:05:03 - No, they do, no, no, no.

01:05:04 - They do end up making the thing.

01:05:06 The pro version comes out at the end.

01:05:07 - What do you call it, the Confectionator 3000?

01:05:09 - Confectionator 3000, which my friend Boyd and Brad named.

01:05:13 Confectionator 3000, please reveal.

01:05:16 - Yeah, it's like a red box of smoke that, like,

01:05:20 goes down and then you see the actual cake.

01:05:21 - Yes, it's great when that thing malfunctions.

01:05:23 And then just, it's got three sides that all fall at once,

01:05:27 and then if only one goes down, I'm like,

01:05:28 it's right behind here, I swear.

01:05:31 But, so they have to, you know, like,

01:05:32 with any challenge like that in a game show or reality show,

01:05:37 they can't, they don't go, well, I hope this works.

01:05:40 They have to have all these, you know, pros do it

01:05:42 to see like, all right, this is safe,

01:05:44 or well, for something that involves like a big physical

01:05:47 task, but it's, this is safe, and, or this is not impossible

01:05:50 or it's not too easy. - Right, not impossible.

01:05:52 - They don't want it to be too easy.

01:05:53 - Got it.

01:05:54 - And then the Hero dessert, the ones that they're making are

01:05:58 well, I've tried them and they're so good.

01:06:02 And I did not appreciate cake until I got on that show.

01:06:05 And, 'cause cake is, you know, largely European,

01:06:09 and the French kind of ultimately invented fine dining,

01:06:14 European, Western fine dining, but I'm blown away

01:06:18 by some of these things.

01:06:19 I'm like, now I love cake, I'm going to eat it,

01:06:21 like a princess cake, I never even knew what it was.

01:06:24 And then, yeah, greatest thing ever.

01:06:26 - So, I could really talk about this for another hour,

01:06:29 but I'll try to-- - Your son likes it.

01:06:31 - Well, he likes it, but again, he watches a lot of stuff

01:06:34 that I'm like, ugh.

01:06:35 And I've just been really getting into it,

01:06:37 because it's like, what's wild about it is,

01:06:40 and like, you know, there's, you know, when it starts,

01:06:45 I think there's six teams of two.

01:06:48 - Yes. - Okay.

01:06:49 And they all look at the clues and they come up

01:06:53 with wildly different things, which is super entertaining

01:06:56 because, I don't know if you know, anyways,

01:06:59 it's just, it's crazy because like, I don't know,

01:07:02 it's just, it seems like a silly premise,

01:07:05 but it's actually really good.

01:07:07 - Yeah, when they're off, it's hilariously off

01:07:10 and you feel bad for them, but sometimes it's really tasty.

01:07:13 - Yeah, well, now let me ask you this,

01:07:14 'cause I've had a couple of friends of mine

01:07:17 who've been like judges on like "Top Chef"

01:07:19 and stuff like that, and they're always like,

01:07:20 the food is disgusting.

01:07:21 They're like, despite whatever we say,

01:07:23 like, it's just, it's always bad and cold and awful.

01:07:26 Like, are the desserts good?

01:07:28 - Yes. - Really?

01:07:29 - Yeah, they can be, I mean, other than when like,

01:07:32 we drank raw eggs by accident,

01:07:34 when this pie didn't work out.

01:07:36 But no, I've asked Curtis Stone and Yolanda Gamp,

01:07:41 who are the, they're Martians, they're so good.

01:07:46 They're from some other planet, they're so good at baking

01:07:49 and what, I mean, they're amazing.

01:07:52 But I eat, I gained like 10 pounds each season

01:07:56 and I won't stop eating.

01:07:57 - Okay, so it's good. - I was like, give me more,

01:07:59 and then I always have a cup of coffee ready to go.

01:08:01 And then we always fall asleep during lunch

01:08:03 because I've had so much sugar that my body,

01:08:07 I was like, I wonder what's worse,

01:08:08 all this sugar or like a pound of cocaine?

01:08:11 No, but it's a lot of sugar,

01:08:14 but I was like, this is my job, it's great.

01:08:15 - Yeah, were you a foodie before you did this show?

01:08:18 What did you call it?

01:08:18 - Yeah, I-- - You're a meat guy.

01:08:20 - Yeah, I love meat.

01:08:21 And I was, to ask my wife, I, yes,

01:08:24 I'm a total snob when it comes to food.

01:08:26 And like, if we are working like right now,

01:08:29 well, I work in Vancouver and like my aggressive

01:08:34 restaurant lists are pretty, yes, I get very much into it.

01:08:38 - Okay. - Yeah.

01:08:39 - No, 'cause I knew you were a big beef, like steak.

01:08:41 - I do, yeah, like lots of meat.

01:08:43 But everyone thinks I'm eating steak every night

01:08:45 and I don't, I--

01:08:46 - How big of meat, are you dry aging your own steaks?

01:08:48 - No. - Oh, 'cause he does that.

01:08:50 - Good for you, are they any good?

01:08:51 - They're amazing.

01:08:52 It's very cheap to do, I can set you up.

01:08:54 You just get a dorm fridge, go on Craigslist,

01:08:58 get yourself a dorm fridge, make sure it goes below

01:09:00 43 degrees and--

01:09:02 - And you can cut all the cheese off of them and--

01:09:04 - Yeah, just cut it up, hang it,

01:09:05 come back in 21 days before it changes.

01:09:07 - And is that saving money?

01:09:10 Or is it just fun? - I call it, it's like mining,

01:09:11 this is what I tell people,

01:09:12 it's like making your own meat Bitcoin.

01:09:15 Like you put it in--

01:09:16 - That's worked out great.

01:09:17 - Well, you put it in and 45 days later,

01:09:20 you have this most amazing thing

01:09:22 that is increased in value by, you know,

01:09:24 three to five times.

01:09:25 - And you sell it then?

01:09:26 - I don't sell it, I eat it.

01:09:27 But you could, theoretically you could.

01:09:29 - I would love to see Ed selling meat.

01:09:31 This would be fantastic.

01:09:32 - I mean, you could just walk down your street

01:09:34 with like a little cart.

01:09:35 No, I, you know, like wine, which I love,

01:09:39 I would never pretend to be able to make it well,

01:09:42 'cause you gotta be a chemist, basically.

01:09:44 - Now wine's actually pretty easy.

01:09:45 Beer's gotta be a chemist, but wine--

01:09:47 - What? - Look at this guy.

01:09:48 - I used to brew beer and wine's, you know--

01:09:50 - You kidding me?

01:09:51 Making a good bottle of wine is very hard.

01:09:55 - Just need good grapes.

01:09:56 There's not much else in it.

01:09:58 It's kind of yeast, grapes, and sulfite.

01:10:00 There's not-- - Yeah, no.

01:10:01 I mean, that's just going like,

01:10:02 well, what's a combustion engine?

01:10:03 It's just a bunch of metal and some fuel.

01:10:04 - No, but like with like beer,

01:10:05 there's like temperatures you gotta worry about

01:10:07 and all the, you know, sanitation, wine,

01:10:09 the alcohol's so high, it kills everything.

01:10:11 - There are people listening to,

01:10:13 people that make wine right now, you're like that.

01:10:16 - Yeah, well, you know.

01:10:17 But I was gonna say, back to meat for a second.

01:10:19 - Back to meat.

01:10:20 - Who, could you take Curtis Stone in a fight?

01:10:23 - In a meat fight?

01:10:24 - No, just like, you guys are both kind of big dudes.

01:10:27 I watch the show, especially standing next to Yolanda.

01:10:30 Yeah, he's like, he's a--

01:10:32 - He's a strapping man. - He's a large dude.

01:10:34 - I don't know what his fighting skills are.

01:10:37 - He's Australian, so he'd probably just kill you.

01:10:38 - I mean, that's a really, yeah, that's a good point.

01:10:41 But I fight pretty dirty.

01:10:43 - Yeah, okay.

01:10:43 Well, so do Australians, right?

01:10:45 - Yeah, I mean, I go right for the balls in the eyes.

01:10:47 (laughing)

01:10:48 I'm not sort of like, oh, right.

01:10:51 - Okay.

01:10:52 - I like a fight.

01:10:52 (laughing)

01:10:54 - What the, who would win in a fight here?

01:10:56 - Oh, I'd win.

01:10:57 - Really?

01:10:58 - No, he'd kill me.

01:10:59 He's like a black belt in judo or something.

01:11:01 He'd actually kill me.

01:11:02 - It's a long time ago.

01:11:03 - He'd still probably kill me.

01:11:04 - See, if we were all fighting,

01:11:05 I would find a way to stab you guys with the tripods.

01:11:08 - We'll do that in the last 15 minutes.

01:11:10 - Yeah.

01:11:11 - I think that would be good.

01:11:13 Or maybe the last episode, you know?

01:11:15 This could be it.

01:11:16 - This is the last one here.

01:11:17 - This, is it?

01:11:19 Before you ask that question,

01:11:21 I wanna say on one of your posts,

01:11:22 I'll never forget it.

01:11:24 Because remember when Rivian got a bunch of (beep)

01:11:26 for raising their prices after?

01:11:28 - Yes.

01:11:29 - And then you wrote the thing about Ralph Nader

01:11:31 having, the car companies were sending hookers to him?

01:11:33 - Yes, yes.

01:11:34 - And I remember like--

01:11:35 - Our CEO made me take that post down, yes.

01:11:36 - No way.

01:11:37 - Yeah, I was just like, I was like, wow, I'm so sorry.

01:11:40 - Yeah, well, that's a true story.

01:11:41 So when Nader, well, here's what I'm gonna forget.

01:11:43 So, you know, he publishes "Unsafe at Any Speed" in 1965.

01:11:47 Now, the Corvair came out in 1960,

01:11:51 and for the refresh in '64,

01:11:53 everything Ralph was writing about GM had done,

01:11:55 because it was a death trap, and they knew it.

01:11:57 And that's the horrible part, that they knew it.

01:12:00 And, but he writes the book,

01:12:01 and "Unsafe at Any Speed" is not about the Corvair.

01:12:05 "Unsafe at Any Speed" is just about how dangerous cars are.

01:12:08 And so chapter one was Corvair,

01:12:10 chapter two was how the P, R, N, D wasn't standardized.

01:12:15 And so you'd get into your wife's car, which was different,

01:12:18 and you'd put it in drive, which is really reverse,

01:12:20 and run over your kid.

01:12:22 Chapter three was about how the brakes in Buick sucked.

01:12:25 Chapter four was about the bug, you know, on and on.

01:12:26 - Yeah.

01:12:27 - But GM, because it became the book about the Corvair,

01:12:31 'cause it was really, really were dangerous,

01:12:33 that what they did was they wanted to get Nader,

01:12:37 and they sent prostitutes to his hotel room

01:12:42 to try and ensnare him.

01:12:44 And then they had like PI, or not PI,

01:12:46 but the guys with cameras are gonna jump in or something.

01:12:48 And Nader didn't fall for it.

01:12:50 And the lawsuit, which GM had to not only admit they did it,

01:12:55 but they had to pay him a fine,

01:12:58 he used that to found his Nader Institute,

01:13:01 which led to his Green Party run,

01:13:04 which led to George Bush winning in Florida,

01:13:07 which led to Al Gore not being president,

01:13:09 which led to the Iraq War.

01:13:11 I mean, you know what I mean?

01:13:12 It's like insane.

01:13:13 - I'll just, yeah, I mean, 'cause I remember,

01:13:17 it started from Rivian raising their prices,

01:13:19 when obviously supply chains fell.

01:13:22 - Well, it was, yeah, everyone raised their prices,

01:13:24 but it was just one of those things where,

01:13:25 you know, the response to it was like,

01:13:29 this is the worst thing that's ever happened.

01:13:31 And I'm like-

01:13:32 - It was like when U2's album appeared on everyone's iPod,

01:13:36 and you're like, damn.

01:13:37 - Well, that one I agree with, that was really awful.

01:13:40 - Sorry for this free stuff

01:13:41 that you can just delete right off your iPod.

01:13:44 - No, no, that I agree.

01:13:45 - This is where we drew the line.

01:13:46 - That was really bad.

01:13:47 - Breaks you far.

01:13:47 - This was- - That was.

01:13:49 - This is great, 'cause this is-

01:13:50 - Don't be mad at U2.

01:13:51 - This is kind of why, one of the first questions

01:13:53 I wanted to ask, and look, we're like over an hour in.

01:13:55 - Look, Ed brought this back.

01:13:56 - How, I'm trying.

01:13:57 - I don't want to go back, I don't.

01:13:59 - How did you get, how do we, why are we even talking it?

01:14:01 Like, are you guys friends on Instagram?

01:14:03 - We were on a, we wrestled for a while.

01:14:06 (laughing)

01:14:06 We were at a, it was like a wrestling club.

01:14:08 - Me, him, Curtis Stone, a bunch of beef, you know.

01:14:11 - No, but it was so hot.

01:14:13 - Instagram.

01:14:13 - Instagram, Brum Brant.

01:14:14 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:15 - We were both cars, and then you got-

01:14:17 - Who reached out first?

01:14:18 - I think you got a, when you got your Porsche,

01:14:22 you had a question for me.

01:14:24 No, you were gonna buy the Porsche.

01:14:26 - I was.

01:14:27 - And I think because Spike was our mutual friend

01:14:28 or something like that.

01:14:29 - Yeah, that's-

01:14:30 - And I think you had a, you know,

01:14:33 should I buy this, I think, and I was like, again,

01:14:35 it's impossible to say anything bad about a Porsche Turbo S

01:14:38 because-

01:14:39 - That might be slightly overpriced, but-

01:14:41 - I mean, but again, if you look at cars

01:14:43 that are priced the same, the Turbo S beats them.

01:14:45 If you look at cars that are more expensive,

01:14:47 the Turbo S is more comfortable, it's more practical,

01:14:49 it's quicker.

01:14:50 - It's a great thing.

01:14:52 - Yeah, they're really-

01:14:53 - It's a miracle.

01:14:53 - They're really good cars.

01:14:54 - The handling is like, I can't believe it when it's-

01:14:57 - Yeah, I mean, look, you can, you get into,

01:15:00 not to ignore your question, but you get into, you know,

01:15:03 yeah, okay, like a GT3 would out-handle it,

01:15:06 but then you lose a lot of daily ability in the GT3,

01:15:11 where the Turbo S is like, you know, if you need to,

01:15:13 I drove one from Atlanta to LA,

01:15:16 and like, it was the perfect road trip car,

01:15:19 and then we went, I drag raced,

01:15:21 John Hennessey had like a 700 horsepower Cadillac,

01:15:23 I beat him like 21 times in a row,

01:15:26 and it's like, then get back in,

01:15:27 and like, you're comfortable driving.

01:15:29 - Just drive it, and hey, it gets decent gas mileage

01:15:31 if you're not hammering it.

01:15:32 - Yeah, so then-

01:15:33 - Wait, so I will say, the reason why I religiously watched

01:15:38 Johnny's videos, they were funny,

01:15:41 but you just pointed your camera in a brand new car,

01:15:43 going like, "Oh, this is where,"

01:15:45 just like sticking your finger in the vents,

01:15:48 be like, "Well, this one works,

01:15:49 "this dash is set up like this."

01:15:51 I appreciated those videos so much,

01:15:54 'cause you really got this inside thing on the car,

01:15:56 whatever car it was.

01:15:57 - So his social media videos,

01:15:58 I'm trying to get into your headspace

01:16:00 in terms of what's your automotive media consumption?

01:16:02 Were you watching him on, when he had a YouTube show,

01:16:05 when we were, it's called "Head to Head" and "Ignition,"

01:16:08 were any of that, or was this only-

01:16:09 - Style, I was watching him on Style Network.

01:16:11 - On Style Network? - Yeah, no.

01:16:12 - No, so, anymore?

01:16:14 - No, it was all Instagram.

01:16:17 - Interesting.

01:16:18 - Yeah, so I don't know if you remember,

01:16:19 I do once in a while, but I would do interior,

01:16:20 it was kind of like during the pandemic,

01:16:22 there wasn't much to do,

01:16:23 and so I was doing interior reviews of cars.

01:16:27 - I love that. - It was easy,

01:16:28 you sit there, and yeah, it was like, people dug it.

01:16:31 I just, I can, I'm a victim of my own laziness,

01:16:35 so it's like, I did a bunch of them,

01:16:36 they're really popular, and I'm like, yeah, I'm bored of that.

01:16:39 - But that was where the love affair started.

01:16:42 The minutiae of what you would go into,

01:16:44 I thought was really interesting.

01:16:46 - Well, thank you.

01:16:47 - And your breakdown of, oh, here's why I like this car,

01:16:51 and here's why I don't, and I thought that was,

01:16:53 it was all very, it didn't seem like you were like,

01:16:55 it never was like a free U2 album on an iPod.

01:16:59 - Oh, that's horrible.

01:17:00 No, I wouldn't write that. - Right, that's Scott for me.

01:17:02 Yeah, that is-

01:17:03 - Fate worse than death, because U2's involved.

01:17:06 - Yeah.

01:17:07 (sighing)

01:17:08 (laughing)

01:17:08 - So, what if it had been,

01:17:10 I'm trying to think of the band, and you're like,

01:17:12 if it had been a new Hootie and the Blowfish album,

01:17:14 I would have been all over it.

01:17:16 Hootie, very popular, interesting.

01:17:18 - It wouldn't be that, either, yeah.

01:17:20 - In our 75th minute, I just got the nod,

01:17:23 let's finally start talking about-

01:17:25 - Does anyone just run through the plate glass?

01:17:27 - We can, because this is the last week in the studio.

01:17:31 They're moving to a new studio, so I think-

01:17:32 - We just break some (beep)

01:17:33 - We can take this table and put it through the glass,

01:17:35 I think.

01:17:36 - What's the fight you guys were talking about?

01:17:37 - I mean, it's gonna get torn,

01:17:39 I mean, someone's gonna redesign this office.

01:17:41 - Yeah, yeah.

01:17:41 - Yeah, let's do it.

01:17:42 - I'm only fighting Curtis Stone, though,

01:17:44 I won't fight Joel.

01:17:44 - Okay.

01:17:45 - I've decided, suddenly, randomly.

01:17:47 - No, I got my lower back,

01:17:49 I hurt my back weightlifting on Wednesday morning,

01:17:52 so this is a good time.

01:17:53 - Okay, yeah, I'm fully recovered,

01:17:55 my strength is coming back, it's great.

01:17:57 - Are you gonna work out today?

01:17:59 - Depends on, I have to look at my phone,

01:18:02 so I might have something where I can't,

01:18:06 but if the person-

01:18:07 - He's making excuses.

01:18:08 - Yeah.

01:18:09 - No, I will.

01:18:10 - During the pandemic, I was like,

01:18:11 if I don't work out every day, I'm going to become,

01:18:14 I will just drink all the wine and eat all the food.

01:18:17 - My problem was during the pandemic,

01:18:18 I was working out every day

01:18:20 and also eating like 5,000 calories a day,

01:18:23 and I got up to like 257 pounds,

01:18:25 and I was like, "I'm stronger than I've ever been in my life,

01:18:28 "and none of my clothes fit,

01:18:29 "honey, the dryer shook you on my shirt."

01:18:32 And then she took a video of me,

01:18:33 and I was like, "Oh my God."

01:18:34 - During the pandemic, I was naked, thank you,

01:18:38 in our bathroom, and I was like, "What do you think, hon?"

01:18:41 She goes like, "Yeah, you could lose a couple."

01:18:43 And I was like, "(gasps)," and then, yeah.

01:18:46 Then I just started mainlining at the Zempik.

01:18:48 (laughing)

01:18:50 - Not that way, don't lose it that way.

01:18:52 - Have you played with the Zempik?

01:18:53 - No, no, no.

01:18:54 I don't have, yes, I mean, for some people,

01:18:56 it's very useful, but-

01:18:58 - A friend of mine's on it, and I saw him like,

01:18:59 "Dude, you look great, what's going on?"

01:19:00 He's like, "Oh, I'm on the Zempik."

01:19:01 I forgot to eat for the last two weeks.

01:19:03 - And I go, "How is it?"

01:19:04 He's like, "It's great,

01:19:05 "except you leaked grease out of your butt."

01:19:07 And I go, "I don't wanna be on that."

01:19:09 - Oh, I didn't realize that was a side effect.

01:19:11 - Like- - Apparently, like that-

01:19:13 - Olestra. - Olestra.

01:19:14 - Olestra. - Olestra chips.

01:19:15 I don't want that, I don't, yeah.

01:19:18 That's all, well, that can, you know,

01:19:21 have you with a very oily dinner.

01:19:22 - If I work out today, it is a whole bunch of kettlebells,

01:19:27 and then leg day.

01:19:29 - So could you, all right.

01:19:30 - I'm gonna try to do, 'cause my back is jacked up,

01:19:33 I'm gonna try to do a bunch of chest stuff.

01:19:35 - Okay. - And then I'll play tennis,

01:19:36 and then reinjure my back.

01:19:37 - I was gonna say, tennis is so hard on your back.

01:19:40 - With enough Advil.

01:19:41 (laughing)

01:19:42 I'm a bit obsessive, very obsessive, so I will.

01:19:46 - Where do you play?

01:19:48 - My home.

01:19:48 - Oh, that's nice. - Nice.

01:19:50 - Yeah, it's worked out, guys.

01:19:52 - Okay, yeah, I got you. - No, no, no, no,

01:19:53 we understand, yeah, I've seen you on the-

01:19:55 - Who do you play against? - On the screens.

01:19:57 - You play against your kids?

01:19:57 - Oh, I do play against, one of my kids loves sports,

01:20:00 one of them is not interested.

01:20:02 He's really good, but my wife is really good.

01:20:06 And then I will have different people come over.

01:20:09 - Do you have an instructor come?

01:20:10 - No, this, our instructor, Bill,

01:20:12 he went to Stanford and was a pro,

01:20:14 and he's, the guy, they say he's basically a therapist,

01:20:17 and he has changed, 'cause I was like,

01:20:21 how come I didn't learn this in the '80s?

01:20:23 He was like, oh, it didn't exist,

01:20:25 no one held their rackets this way.

01:20:26 - Ah, yeah, it's gotten technical, yeah, yeah.

01:20:29 - Well, no, just like the way, if you look at Coco Gauff,

01:20:31 like the way she holds her racket,

01:20:33 she's just open, like she's ready to go.

01:20:35 I mean, it's all changed, and it's, yeah, it's great.

01:20:39 - How much of that do you think is due

01:20:41 to the technology in the rackets, though?

01:20:43 Like if we gave Coco Gauff an-

01:20:45 - A wooden racket.

01:20:46 - Yeah, go back, give him the racket from like the '80s.

01:20:49 - They would destroy, they would be so great.

01:20:51 - Yeah.

01:20:52 - Yeah, because it's not, it wasn't like,

01:20:54 you know, like if you look at,

01:20:57 they were, you know, McEnroe and Bjorn Borg,

01:20:59 when they were going at it, I mean, they were at the very,

01:21:02 they were pushing that technology to the very edge,

01:21:05 and then of course, graphite,

01:21:07 and well, metal came in and then graphite,

01:21:08 but it's not like, they're so much better,

01:21:12 and Pete Sampras figured out that he could serve for matches

01:21:16 and then they had to make the balls a little softer

01:21:19 because no one could return anything.

01:21:21 I mean, still, you get aces all the time, but it's not,

01:21:24 I mean, if you look at basketball from the '50s,

01:21:28 it wasn't because the shoes got better

01:21:29 that the skill level got better,

01:21:31 it was just the evolution of the sport.

01:21:33 - Right, got bigger, more people were interested.

01:21:35 - And then you can see most recently,

01:21:37 like Steph Curry changed the sport,

01:21:39 that a guy who's 6'1" changed the game

01:21:42 and outscored everybody because he was just like,

01:21:45 I'm just gonna pull up four feet before the three-point line

01:21:47 and no one was doing that.

01:21:49 - I'd love to see that though,

01:21:50 'cause I remember in the pandemic,

01:21:51 one of the things I watched, early pandemic, right,

01:21:53 it was the Jordan, the Michael Jordan series.

01:21:56 - One of the greatest.

01:21:56 - Yes, and he talks about how he wore

01:21:59 his original Air Jordans in a game

01:22:02 and when he finished, I think for a half,

01:22:05 took them off, his feet were bleeding

01:22:07 'cause the shoe technology had advanced so far.

01:22:10 - Well, you could all, I mean, yes, I would,

01:22:12 that's interesting that he said that, that I remember that,

01:22:16 but also if you put on a brand new pair of shoes

01:22:18 and you're used to a different shin, you're gonna,

01:22:20 like if you go run a marathon on a brand new pair of shoes

01:22:23 or go hiking.

01:22:24 - I remember reading Kurt Rambis wore the same pair

01:22:27 of Converse for 14 seasons or something like that

01:22:30 and they asked him about it, like, you never,

01:22:31 you just wore the same shoes?

01:22:32 He's like, I'd never jumped, I've never jumped.

01:22:35 - Yeah, well, but he's like, his knees,

01:22:37 like that's all he was pounding on.

01:22:39 - I mean, if you're 6'11", you don't really need to jump.

01:22:42 - No.

01:22:43 - I will tell you guys a very personal story about shoes.

01:22:46 - But when you played Kurt Rambis?

01:22:47 - No.

01:22:48 (laughing)

01:22:49 About, this is inside into my upbringing

01:22:50 and the lack of focus.

01:22:51 - He's a very nice man, and so this is why.

01:22:52 - Yeah?

01:22:53 - Oh, I mean, I always loved, I was a huge Kurt Rambis fan.

01:22:56 - Delightful.

01:22:57 - How could you not be?

01:22:58 - So in high school, one of my good friends,

01:22:59 his name is Jeremy Fisher, he made Sports Illustrated

01:23:04 because he was 5'9" and he jumped seven foot two,

01:23:07 he's a high jumper, seven foot two.

01:23:09 He had set the national record for a high jump

01:23:12 in his sophomore year.

01:23:14 - You went to high school with him or just for fun?

01:23:17 - We went to high school together.

01:23:18 My parents were not of the, this is a Nike era,

01:23:21 I was going to high school in the 90s, early 90s.

01:23:24 Nike Air starting to take, every kid had to have the Airs.

01:23:27 My parents were not into that.

01:23:29 So I resorted to buying a pair of--

01:23:32 - A6 gels, good.

01:23:33 - I had to buy a pair of his used shoes.

01:23:37 So I bought, he had a pair of AirFlights

01:23:40 that I was like, oh man, these are awesome.

01:23:42 And he ultimately went to UC,

01:23:44 he got a scholarship offer to UC,

01:23:45 went to University of Wisconsin,

01:23:46 he now coaches Olympic athletes in triple jump,

01:23:49 and high jump, long jump, the whole thing, right?

01:23:52 I bought this pair of shoes from him and I put them on

01:23:54 and they were the most torn,

01:23:56 they looked great on the outside,

01:23:58 they were completely torn up on the inside.

01:24:00 And I was like, these are like,

01:24:02 your whole upper body was gonna fall down.

01:24:04 I was like, what is going on?

01:24:06 - Man, you think the kids chained to their sewing machines

01:24:08 in Vietnam would have better quality standards.

01:24:10 - No, no, it was more like, what is he doing?

01:24:12 Like, what is this elite athlete doing,

01:24:15 what are his feet doing that my feet aren't doing?

01:24:16 My shoes don't look like this after wearing them.

01:24:18 - Well, yes, he was pushing those things too.

01:24:20 - Yes, and I was blown away.

01:24:22 - Well, there's also all those YouTube videos

01:24:26 where they saw into every shoe and go,

01:24:29 here's the quality of the shoe.

01:24:31 - I've never seen that, but I do those watch videos

01:24:33 where they take watches apart and it's pretty interesting.

01:24:36 - Yes, it's very weird if you get like,

01:24:39 Cartier has no, at least when I,

01:24:41 I don't have one, but they're like,

01:24:42 yeah, there's no insurance policy.

01:24:45 If it breaks, you're paying for it.

01:24:46 And then I had a Panerai, it was given to me as a gift,

01:24:49 and it had a stopwatch, they're like,

01:24:50 hey, whatever you do, make sure you stop the stopwatch

01:24:55 before you hit the reset, because if it's clicking

01:24:57 and then you hit the reset, you're gonna break the watch.

01:24:59 I'm like, this expensive watch is,

01:25:04 and I was like, give me a break.

01:25:05 And then, of course, people were wearing.

01:25:07 No, I didn't, I was too scared, I was scared of the watch.

01:25:09 - Do you still have it?

01:25:11 - I do.

01:25:12 - Good, I have a theory, that's good,

01:25:13 I have a theory, it's, to me,

01:25:15 the most interesting people I know all have a Panerai.

01:25:18 I'm not saying anything about it's a good watch

01:25:20 or anything like that, but I just noticed the people--

01:25:22 - Sean Lee would say the same thing.

01:25:24 - Yeah, Sean Lee has 7,000 Panerais.

01:25:27 - But they, I feel like Panerai came on at a,

01:25:30 you know, like, they came on as a brand in like, 2000,

01:25:32 not, they came on strong.

01:25:35 - I just unplugged my headphones, I think.

01:25:38 Can you still hear me in your headphones?

01:25:41 - Yes, but now it's telling me to kill.

01:25:43 (laughing)

01:25:44 - Oh no.

01:25:45 - But--

01:25:46 - That's been going on for years.

01:25:47 - But yeah, it was Stallone and Schwarzenegger,

01:25:49 you know, kind of popularized Panerai,

01:25:51 and they might have had fictional accounts

01:25:54 of how Stallone found Panerai,

01:25:56 apparently that's a big controversy.

01:25:58 He claims when he was shooting something in Rome

01:26:01 or a premiere in Rome, he was walking by a shop

01:26:03 and like, saw it, and then somebody was like,

01:26:05 "Really, 'cause that watch didn't exist

01:26:06 "when you were in Rome at that time," but whatever.

01:26:08 - Oh.

01:26:09 - Yeah, there's probably some money exchanged.

01:26:11 But they're just great, and I don't have one,

01:26:14 but I'd love to get one, but I just, like,

01:26:15 you know, like, Zwart, even though he's not allowed

01:26:17 to talk about it 'cause he's sponsored by Chopard,

01:26:19 like, Zwart rocks a Panerai.

01:26:21 And they're just, they're cool watches.

01:26:23 - They're beautiful, but it's, you know,

01:26:24 it's Italian submarine technology, come on.

01:26:27 - I, you know, hey--

01:26:28 - Is that a famous Navy?

01:26:29 - Hey, well, it's not a good Navy.

01:26:31 - They had a pretty great Navy 2,000 years ago, but--

01:26:35 - But if you think about it--

01:26:36 - And the Medici family.

01:26:37 - But if you think about it, like, you know,

01:26:39 it's Italian, so it's like, not the greatest watch,

01:26:41 but man, it looks good, right?

01:26:43 It's like an Italian car, it's like--

01:26:45 - May not, it's gonna be great, as long as--

01:26:47 - Just don't push that button and that button.

01:26:49 - Speaking of, super smooth transition.

01:26:51 Tell us about your, you have a Tesla Model X?

01:26:54 You still have it? - I do, yeah.

01:26:56 That's my wife's car, yeah.

01:26:57 - The Plaid. - 20--

01:26:58 - No, this is the first one.

01:27:00 - Oh, oh. - My wife has 75,000 miles

01:27:03 on it.

01:27:03 - Wow, so 2015?

01:27:06 - Yeah, it was the first year you could buy one.

01:27:09 - Why? - How's it holding up?

01:27:10 - Not great.

01:27:11 (laughing)

01:27:13 It's, the engine and the driving, great.

01:27:17 But if we take it, like, if it hits a puddle,

01:27:20 something's gonna fall off.

01:27:21 - Really?

01:27:22 - But my wife also ripped off one of the doors

01:27:26 when she drove into our garage,

01:27:28 and then she did it again. - Oh, the Falcon door?

01:27:30 - Yes, which they always have been, like, weird,

01:27:34 'cause they'll, like, open a little,

01:27:35 and then I'm like, well, now I'm gonna,

01:27:38 it's a, the engine is so quick, and that's amazing.

01:27:42 - I'm gonna correct you, the motors.

01:27:43 - But yeah, the motors are quick,

01:27:46 but it's, you know, it was their first one.

01:27:49 - The P, you got a 90?

01:27:50 - Yes. - The biggest,

01:27:52 it was the-- - It was the Ludicrous engine,

01:27:55 so Ludicrous speed or whatever, but based on the,

01:27:58 so it was, that alone, I mean,

01:28:01 but it's falling off of it right now.

01:28:03 - Well, I remember when we had one for SUV of the year,

01:28:07 we had, like, the early one, - '75.

01:28:08 - and I watched as the Falcon rear doors were opening,

01:28:11 it grabbed a piece of the rear trim,

01:28:13 and I just watched, sitting there,

01:28:14 as it just pulled the trim off the car.

01:28:16 - Yeah, we put it on YouTube, that was great.

01:28:18 - And it was like, wow.

01:28:21 - Well, hang on, so is this your,

01:28:23 is this the McHale family first EV?

01:28:25 - That was our first EV, and I--

01:28:28 - Why'd you buy it?

01:28:29 - Because we, my wife really wanted an electric car,

01:28:33 and of course, cut to me with, I have two GMC trucks, so.

01:28:37 (laughing)

01:28:38 I was like, "See, it evens out."

01:28:40 But-- - Hey, yeah.

01:28:41 - But I was always like, "Hey, if you buy a classic car,

01:28:43 "you're not pulling metal out of the ground."

01:28:45 - There you go, right, right, right.

01:28:46 - You just put a new engine in 'em.

01:28:48 So anyway, so that's, yeah, she wanted it,

01:28:51 and obviously now with gas prices in California,

01:28:54 I'm like, "Oh, it's pretty good."

01:28:55 But the, yeah, so it is definitely their first run,

01:29:01 and it's got issues.

01:29:03 - Yeah. - I don't know how,

01:29:04 I don't know if they're much better.

01:29:05 I'm assuming they've gotta be better now.

01:29:08 - It's hard for us and Tesla,

01:29:10 because they don't really have a press fleet.

01:29:13 So, you know, we get to drive everything all the time,

01:29:16 and like, once in a while, they'll give us a car, but--

01:29:20 - The more popularized, I think, quality issues

01:29:22 have been with the much higher volume vehicles,

01:29:24 the Model 3 and the Model Y.

01:29:26 But, and yours is, I mean, at this point, it's old.

01:29:29 - It's an old car, yeah. - It's--

01:29:29 - Yeah, eight years old. - It's impressive

01:29:31 that you've still-- - Yeah, my wife--

01:29:32 - A man of your means has held onto a vehicle that long.

01:29:35 I mean, like, why?

01:29:36 - Well, I was on the Rivian list.

01:29:38 - Did we park it on the tennis court?

01:29:40 - No, my-- - Yeah, sorry, no.

01:29:41 (laughing)

01:29:42 Again, we parked it in the butler's pantry.

01:29:43 It's that big.

01:29:44 - Right, right, right. - No, but we,

01:29:46 I was on the Rivian list,

01:29:48 and then I was locked into that original price.

01:29:50 - Ooh. - But, and I was gonna get it.

01:29:52 - Oh, that wouldn't have been a good deal.

01:29:53 - Well, I wanted the double,

01:29:55 the new motor that just came out.

01:29:57 - Okay. - That goes 400.

01:29:59 - Yeah, oh, you were worried about range.

01:30:00 Why, why? - Well, I was just like,

01:30:02 well, I knew it was coming out.

01:30:03 - Oh, oh, oh. - And so,

01:30:04 it wasn't a road trip thing.

01:30:05 I was just like, well-- - Wait, it's newest.

01:30:07 - If it's right there, just a couple months from now--

01:30:09 - Okay, I see. - And then,

01:30:10 they are switching all the ports over to Tesla ports now.

01:30:14 - Eventually, that's like 18 months off, yeah.

01:30:17 - Okay, well, then I, so I was like, ah, hold off.

01:30:20 - Yeah, yeah, Rivian's great.

01:30:22 Good, it'd be a good replacement for the X.

01:30:25 It'd be a very-- - Wait, you're talking R1S,

01:30:27 the S, not the G. - The SUV.

01:30:28 - The SUV. - The truck, not the--

01:30:29 - The truck. - The SUV.

01:30:31 - Yeah. - Okay.

01:30:32 - Not the, yeah. - Yeah, it's a good replacement.

01:30:34 - But it's, what's the waiting list at this point?

01:30:36 But you can go-- - No, none.

01:30:36 It's almost gone for the, for the S is almost gone.

01:30:39 - And for somebody-- - By the way,

01:30:40 I know some people. - Yeah, a person like you

01:30:43 should be, they'll get-- - Yeah, I know some,

01:30:46 you hear that? - Yeah.

01:30:47 - Yes, yes. - Gabby, you hear that?

01:30:49 Make sure you got it on there. - Yes, yes.

01:30:52 - Now, what did you, and now we're gonna get,

01:30:54 because we have chatted about the Lucid, I think.

01:30:56 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which I, fine,

01:30:58 I have a, it's like a spaceship.

01:30:59 - I love 'em.

01:31:00 I'm such a big Lucid fan.

01:31:02 It's weird.

01:31:04 You know, and again, I love the grand touring performance.

01:31:08 You know, it's 1,050 horsepower.

01:31:11 However, I drove the 600 horsepower one,

01:31:14 which by the way, it's still 600 horsepower,

01:31:16 and because it's electric torque, it's like--

01:31:18 - My turbo S is like 580. - Yeah.

01:31:21 So it's terrific.

01:31:23 Like, that's the two motor, 600 horsepower,

01:31:26 because again, because everything in those is miniaturized,

01:31:29 meaning the motor and all that stuff.

01:31:33 There's just tons of space.

01:31:34 So you're in, you know, from the outside,

01:31:35 it looks like it's the size of,

01:31:37 I'm using Mercedes terminology,

01:31:38 it looks like it's the size of an E-Class,

01:31:40 and you get in and it's massive and cavernous.

01:31:42 So it's like, you're in this like super luxurious,

01:31:46 like isolation tank that has like great fabrics

01:31:49 and leather and beautiful, and then you get out

01:31:52 and it's like a regular size car.

01:31:53 It's this magic trick, you know?

01:31:54 - Yes. - And then, yeah.

01:31:55 - I feel like the lighting is different in the backseat

01:31:57 than it is the front seat.

01:31:58 - Yeah, so what they did was,

01:32:00 they have five different interior trims at the moment.

01:32:02 They might have a new six one for the Sapphire,

01:32:05 I can't remember, but anyways,

01:32:07 it's like, you know, Malibu at 5 a.m.,

01:32:10 that's like one interior.

01:32:11 Then they have like Redwood Forest at like, you know,

01:32:13 twilight, and-- - Look at Ed.

01:32:17 - Pretentious, I'm just putting my finger, pinky in the air.

01:32:19 - Hey, at least it's something.

01:32:20 - Hey, fine Corinthian leather was--

01:32:22 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:23 - Was absolutely advertised by Chrysler forever.

01:32:25 - Absolutely. - It was the Ricardo Montalbano.

01:32:27 - And we were like, where is Corinth?

01:32:29 - Yeah. (laughing)

01:32:30 - How did they get all this leather from there?

01:32:31 - I want Ionian leather.

01:32:33 But yeah, so what they tend to do is,

01:32:35 like, the two front seats are darker,

01:32:38 so it's like a cockpit, and the rear is more open

01:32:40 and feels more airy, more spacious,

01:32:42 but I'm so high on Lucid.

01:32:45 I think they're just like--

01:32:46 - He's so high on Lucid, we think he's shillin' for them.

01:32:48 - I wish, Lucid, give me money.

01:32:50 - But when does the-- - Give me money.

01:32:52 - When does the SUV come out?

01:32:55 I mean, the wagon, they're coming out with a wagon.

01:32:56 - They're gonna show it next month.

01:32:57 - It's called the Gravity.

01:32:58 It shows up at the LA Auto Show,

01:33:00 which should be the day this episode goes live.

01:33:04 - Oh, yeah. - November 16th.

01:33:05 - And I wanna say production probably 10 months off.

01:33:08 - Yeah. - So, but--

01:33:09 - But let me pause you here.

01:33:11 This is weird, you know, again, you got a Turbo S,

01:33:14 you got a bunch of Land Cruisers,

01:33:16 you're building International Scout with--

01:33:18 - I got the Oldsmobile. - With Lucid.

01:33:19 - But I also have a Tornado.

01:33:22 I just bought a 1966 Tornado.

01:33:24 - Oh, sweet, that's the most beautiful car of the '60s.

01:33:27 - Yes, I love it.

01:33:28 - And bone stock, are you gonna do a rest amount on that too?

01:33:31 - Well, you gotta, 'cause it's the,

01:33:33 you gotta build the tunnel.

01:33:35 So it's, and Tor, 'cause it's like a huge,

01:33:38 that 440 engine with 400, 440 cylinders.

01:33:42 (laughing)

01:33:43 It's a little, it needs, it's not a,

01:33:45 I would love it to be a daily driver,

01:33:47 but it's, that's gonna be--

01:33:49 - Okay. - Like, Leno did

01:33:50 that 1,000 horsepower engine, and which was--

01:33:52 - I was gonna, so I was about to mention Leno.

01:33:53 Like, how many cars are you gonna acquire?

01:33:56 - I don't know.

01:33:57 Are you, do you have, do you, have you--

01:33:58 - We have-- - You've been to Leno's shop?

01:34:00 - No, no. - Oh, what?

01:34:01 - No, I have not. - Well, let's go.

01:34:02 - Be invited. - Yeah.

01:34:03 - Yeah, he can meet me. - Yeah.

01:34:05 - Oh, he'll, anytime.

01:34:06 - We did do the Corsetti Cruiser.

01:34:08 We got into an argument, 'cause he's like,

01:34:10 "This is a used car, it's not a classic car."

01:34:13 And I was like, "What's your measure?"

01:34:15 And he's like, "1977."

01:34:17 And I was like, "Let me guess,

01:34:18 "you have a bunch of cars from before 1977."

01:34:21 And I was like, "This is where I'm gonna stick my sword.

01:34:24 "This is where we,

01:34:25 "this is where the flag is planted, my friend."

01:34:27 - Interesting. - And a couple of trucks.

01:34:29 You have a GMC Denali, you said you have--

01:34:30 - I have a GMC Denali, and just today,

01:34:32 I bought the S, the 4XT or whatever.

01:34:36 - AT4. - AT4X, yes.

01:34:38 - Oh, a new one.

01:34:39 - A brand new one, a 2024.

01:34:41 - Oh, those are awesome.

01:34:42 So that's, for those of you listening at home,

01:34:45 those are the ZR2s, which are, I think,

01:34:50 as good as stock off-roaders get.

01:34:52 They're incredibly, incredibly good.

01:34:54 - It's, yeah. - Good for you.

01:34:55 - And I-- - You bought it today?

01:34:56 - Literally, it's one of the reasons I was late.

01:34:58 - That's why you were late? (laughs)

01:34:59 - 'Cause I was, this guy named Jay,

01:35:01 who's got it for me, he's like,

01:35:04 "Yeah, 'cause I love a truck."

01:35:06 And yeah, so I have a problem with--

01:35:08 - Do you go off-roading?

01:35:09 - I really don't.

01:35:10 - Do you want to, now that you have that?

01:35:12 - I would, yes. - Okay.

01:35:13 - But when we go up to Big Bear,

01:35:15 I don't want there to be anything that's gonna stop me.

01:35:17 Does that make sense?

01:35:18 - Yeah, so-- - I'm gonna make it

01:35:20 to wherever I'm going.

01:35:21 - In the AT4, nothing can stop you in Big Bear.

01:35:24 You'll be fine. - Sounds like a primal fear.

01:35:25 Is it something deep, deep,

01:35:27 see if you can-- - I just wanna,

01:35:27 you know, have a bug-out bag ready to go

01:35:30 with 6,000 meals. - Yeah.

01:35:32 - But-- - No, I just, I'm like,

01:35:34 it's, I also, like, you know,

01:35:37 I think they're incredibly well-built.

01:35:39 And-- - Yeah.

01:35:40 But that Chevy ZR2 GMC AT4, like,

01:35:44 that's the real deal, AT4X, I think.

01:35:47 And like, yeah, I mean, they're as good as--

01:35:50 - Very cheap on gas. - Off-roaders get.

01:35:52 - No, they're not cheap on gas.

01:35:54 - Well, so you got all this-- - That's awesome.

01:35:57 - Aside from the Model X, which is your wife's car,

01:35:59 and this expressed interest in a Rivian or Lucid,

01:36:02 like, come on, where does that really,

01:36:04 where does that come from?

01:36:05 Like, it seems like you're really into--

01:36:07 - I have gotten, it has grown, definitely,

01:36:10 'cause I, like, when I was driving my '89 Nissan Sentra

01:36:14 forever, which, when I got the clutch replaced,

01:36:17 the guy was like, "How are you even driving this?"

01:36:20 And I was like, "It's my baby."

01:36:22 I think it's because, like, as soon as I,

01:36:27 like, the thing was, oh, I can afford this thing.

01:36:30 And I just became more excited about them.

01:36:33 And then I, you know, the art of the, again,

01:36:35 my older brother, Chris, was always into cars.

01:36:38 So, but I was never the kid who was,

01:36:42 like, I gotta get this new, it wasn't that,

01:36:45 but I was a snob and have become more of one.

01:36:49 - That's nice.

01:36:50 - But, like, the '66 Tornado, I saw the Leno Special,

01:36:53 I was like, "That is the most beautiful."

01:36:54 And they interviewed the guy that made it,

01:36:56 and I was like, "I would love to get one of those one day."

01:36:59 But I was test driving FJs, old FJs,

01:37:02 and I remember, like, I would get into one,

01:37:05 they would be so cheap 23 years ago,

01:37:07 when I was like, "I can afford one of these."

01:37:08 I'm like, "Oh, I can't really afford this

01:37:10 "because it's gonna cost so much money to keep it."

01:37:12 - But you have, I mean, you have real taste, though.

01:37:14 Like, nobody accidentally buys an Icon FJ.

01:37:17 Like, yes, they're cool looking,

01:37:19 but there's lots of FJs.

01:37:20 How, where did this, like, I don't know, you know, like--

01:37:24 - Yeah, you're kind of all over the map.

01:37:25 - Turbo, I don't mind all over the map,

01:37:28 'cause it just means--

01:37:29 - And beautiful car in the Tornado,

01:37:31 and then, like, again, the fetish

01:37:32 for the square-bodied off-roaders with LS swaps.

01:37:35 - But also, but ability to appreciate,

01:37:37 like, again, like, well, how did you meet Jonathan?

01:37:40 I know we're kind of--

01:37:41 - Oh, well, I met, no, because of Corolla.

01:37:43 So Adam early on would have me on for the soup,

01:37:47 and he was always buying Lamborghinis off the internet.

01:37:50 - Yes, yes, he's got a lot of money, that one, yes.

01:37:53 - And we, I think I, so I kept seeing,

01:37:57 when I worked at a wine shop on Larchmont,

01:37:59 there was a TLC sticker in the back of this Land Cruiser,

01:38:03 and I was like, "What is that?"

01:38:04 And then I looked inside,

01:38:06 and this guy had this brand new interior years ago,

01:38:09 and then I knew that Corolla knew him,

01:38:12 and he was like, "Ah, I gave you his number."

01:38:14 That's not a great impression.

01:38:15 And--

01:38:16 - That's more leather.

01:38:18 - Yeah, that was some sort of, like, "Ah-ha."

01:38:20 But then Jonathan is so personable.

01:38:22 - Oh, he's the greatest, yeah.

01:38:23 - And now he's just selling, like, leather bags and coats.

01:38:26 - Hats and jackets, yeah.

01:38:28 - Watches, and so that's kind of how that,

01:38:30 and then I knew how reliable that thing,

01:38:34 or I was like, "Oh, I could drive this every day,"

01:38:36 other than when I drove it into a parking garage

01:38:38 and slammed the top of the roof into the,

01:38:40 and I was like, "Well--"

01:38:41 - They're quite tall.

01:38:42 - "Five grand, here we go."

01:38:43 - Five grand, you got away easy.

01:38:45 - Yeah, I got, well, I just kind of messed up the--

01:38:48 - Paint.

01:38:48 - No, it was the, I have, you know, like a,

01:38:51 what do you call it?

01:38:52 - Light bar.

01:38:53 - Soft top, soft top.

01:38:55 Anyway, so that's, yeah, that's,

01:38:57 and so I got to know Jonathan.

01:38:59 I went to the shop, and I looked at all his,

01:39:01 you know, the derelict things,

01:39:02 and I almost bought one of those, and I should've--

01:39:05 - Dude, you should have him derelict the Tornado.

01:39:07 - It's not a bad idea.

01:39:08 - You know what I mean?

01:39:09 - Well, I think Corsetti is gonna--

01:39:11 - Oh, okay.

01:39:12 - The, but yeah, that's, 'cause he does,

01:39:15 he has derelicts, but then he has Reformer,

01:39:18 and so Reformer is like, if it's not massively patinaed,

01:39:21 he'll take like a stock-looking classic

01:39:23 and do the same mechanical treatment.

01:39:25 - Is he still doing those?

01:39:26 I think they kind of shut down those.

01:39:27 - Oh, yeah, and now he can charge.

01:39:29 - I mean--

01:39:29 - Oh, yeah, real money.

01:39:30 No, but he just did like a slammed, like,

01:39:34 '60s Suburban.

01:39:36 Looks insane.

01:39:37 I was just talking to him.

01:39:38 He's like, "Come by and drive it.

01:39:39 "It looks wild."

01:39:40 - That's, I would love to see it.

01:39:41 It looks so good.

01:39:43 It's like gunmetal on gunmetal.

01:39:45 - So it sounds like your interest in electrified vehicles

01:39:50 is because you can.

01:39:52 Like, you're looking at it from like the,

01:39:56 'cause you're looking at the Rivian, at the Lucid,

01:39:59 at the higher end, the high performance.

01:40:02 - Yeah, Model X is pretty high end.

01:40:04 - Yeah, well, when I first got behind the wheel of the Tesla

01:40:06 I was like, "Oh, this is the future,"

01:40:08 'cause the power was so immediate.

01:40:11 And I knew it was as fast as my Porsche.

01:40:14 It doesn't even come close to the handling,

01:40:16 but I was like, "Oh, this is,"

01:40:18 and I find them neat.

01:40:21 I mean, they're like cool,

01:40:22 other than the fact that the Cobalt comes from Congo

01:40:25 and the kids are digging it.

01:40:26 - Yeah, but the Cobalt in your phone.

01:40:27 But you know, just real quick,

01:40:29 the Cobalt in your phone is from there.

01:40:31 And guess what?

01:40:32 You cannot actually produce,

01:40:34 you can't refine oil into gasoline or diesel

01:40:37 without this magical ingredient called Cobalt.

01:40:40 Literally, you've never burned a gallon of gas

01:40:42 since 1975 that wasn't made using Cobalt.

01:40:47 And the new Tesla chemistry, for instance, LFP, no Cobalt.

01:40:52 - I just find it ironic that everyone's like,

01:40:54 "I'm just so environmentally conscious

01:40:56 "and that's why I want an EV."

01:40:57 I'm like, "Ugh."

01:40:58 - Well, I mean, it's not that Cobalt's bad

01:41:00 for the environment.

01:41:01 It's on the periodic table.

01:41:04 If you ate breakfast today,

01:41:06 you've consumed Cobalt.

01:41:08 - Well, it's how the people who are--

01:41:10 - Yeah, no, no, I'm just saying it's more of a,

01:41:13 but there are ways to get ethically sourced Cobalt.

01:41:16 - Yes.

01:41:17 - But I just like when people are on their device

01:41:20 that has Cobalt in it saying,

01:41:21 "I'll never buy an EV because of Cobalt."

01:41:23 It's like, you really don't care.

01:41:24 - Or lithium, right.

01:41:24 - Yeah, lithium, when the universe was created,

01:41:27 the Big Bang, number one element was hydrogen

01:41:30 and then number two was helium.

01:41:32 And then the third thing created--

01:41:33 - Nougat.

01:41:34 - Yeah.

01:41:35 - Nougat.

01:41:36 - No, it was lithium.

01:41:37 And if you look at a periodic table,

01:41:38 first element is hydrogen, helium, lithium.

01:41:41 It's not some toxic thing.

01:41:43 It's literally a building block of the universe.

01:41:45 And anyway, don't get me started.

01:41:48 - No, no, I couldn't agree more.

01:41:51 'Cause it was like, don't,

01:41:52 like if you're pulling something out,

01:41:54 if you're pulling new metal,

01:41:55 then you're pulling new metal,

01:41:56 no matter what it's for.

01:41:57 - Yeah, and it's a metal.

01:41:58 Lithium's not bad.

01:42:01 It's just--

01:42:02 - They just stopped the lithium mine

01:42:04 that they were trying to make in--

01:42:05 - Salton Sea.

01:42:06 - Yeah.

01:42:07 - Oh, they stopped it.

01:42:08 - There's a lot of litigation.

01:42:09 - When you discover that volcanoes stuffed with lithium,

01:42:12 this is exciting news.

01:42:14 - Under Nevada.

01:42:16 - Yeah, but it's like the largest deposit

01:42:18 of lithium on earth.

01:42:19 It's just sitting in Nevada, so we gotta get--

01:42:21 - Oh.

01:42:22 - What are your kids gonna drive?

01:42:23 Or are they driving?

01:42:24 - Well, true, they're not interested.

01:42:27 And the 15 year old, like when I,

01:42:30 well, I would go pick him up.

01:42:31 I picked him up in the Porsche one time

01:42:33 and he was just like, "Never pick me up in this again."

01:42:35 - What?

01:42:36 - And then--

01:42:37 - Well, like that's, I hear that from,

01:42:38 they're embarrassed?

01:42:39 Are they embarrassed?

01:42:40 - I think it's, yeah, and then I picked him up

01:42:41 in the Land Cruiser with Haddleby

01:42:43 that has these stripes on it.

01:42:44 And he was like, "This is worse."

01:42:47 And so now--

01:42:48 - What are you supposed to pick him up in?

01:42:49 - Well, I just stay up the block and he walks up.

01:42:52 - So it's you.

01:42:53 - Yeah, no, it's me.

01:42:54 - It's not the car, right.

01:42:55 - But he finds it, I think he finds it hilarious,

01:42:58 like he's like, "This is where I think,

01:43:00 "my kids are like, 'Oh yeah, you're a child.'"

01:43:03 (laughing)

01:43:04 - Okay.

01:43:04 - Dad's doing his little hobby thing and he's a child.

01:43:08 - But does a 19 year old have a car?

01:43:10 - He's, no, he's not interested.

01:43:12 - Where does he live?

01:43:14 - At our home.

01:43:15 - How does he move around?

01:43:17 - He's a very, well, he's a very interesting man.

01:43:19 He's very unique and--

01:43:22 - Okay.

01:43:23 - Yeah, the kids don't--

01:43:24 - They live, they Uber, right?

01:43:25 - Does the butler drive him around?

01:43:27 Or which butler?

01:43:27 - Which butler, yeah, I was gonna say.

01:43:29 Actually, Gerard Butler.

01:43:31 - Gerard Butler drives the kid around.

01:43:33 - It's great, it's expensive.

01:43:34 - Well, I mean, you get a great butler.

01:43:36 I mean, you know, as far as people, butlers go.

01:43:40 Gerard's a good one.

01:43:42 - No, I--

01:43:42 - It's been hard on a lot of people.

01:43:45 - Yeah, I mean, but we pay him millions.

01:43:48 - Oh.

01:43:48 - Yeah.

01:43:49 - That's good.

01:43:50 - He does very well.

01:43:51 No, but I don't know.

01:43:52 I'm guessing they're gonna be like,

01:43:53 "I'll take a Honda Civic."

01:43:55 - But you don't say like, "Hey, kiddo,

01:43:59 you should have a car."

01:44:00 - I'm like, "Hey, do you guys wanna get your permit?"

01:44:03 - No, let's talk about it later.

01:44:05 - Yeah, one of them, but I don't, yeah, I don't care.

01:44:09 I didn't, it's fine.

01:44:11 I really don't care.

01:44:12 I mean, it's a good skill to learn, obviously.

01:44:14 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:15 - I'll probably buy him a stick

01:44:16 just 'cause those never get stolen

01:44:17 'cause no one knows how to drive them.

01:44:19 - But also, you know, ticking,

01:44:21 like the younger you learn to drive,

01:44:23 the less accidents you have in life.

01:44:25 - I would agree, yeah.

01:44:26 - So let's get him--

01:44:27 - Get him going.

01:44:28 - Get him going.

01:44:29 - Get him motorcycles.

01:44:30 Start jumping him.

01:44:31 - Yeah.

01:44:31 - I get a foam pit.

01:44:32 - Spike's doing that.

01:44:33 His kids are doing wheelies on e-bikes all over the place.

01:44:35 Like it's wild.

01:44:36 - They do drive electric bikes.

01:44:38 - Oh, they do?

01:44:39 - Those can go to, we have those amazing,

01:44:42 those Super 73s, and they're great.

01:44:46 - Oh, so that's how they get around.

01:44:47 They have some mobility.

01:44:48 - Well, I use them a lot too,

01:44:50 but I was like, "We're going 30 miles an hour in this thing."

01:44:52 - Yeah.

01:44:53 - Please wear a helmet, please wear a helmet.

01:44:54 - Oh, we gotta get you, I got one that can go like 60.

01:44:56 It's awesome.

01:44:57 - Well, you can reprogram.

01:44:58 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:59 - Which one would go 60?

01:45:00 - Cake.

01:45:00 - Oh yeah, the cake.

01:45:01 But the cake is a motorcycle.

01:45:03 - Well, is it?

01:45:05 I mean, yes.

01:45:06 - The cake is rated as a motorcycle.

01:45:06 - It is, there's no pedals.

01:45:07 - It doesn't have pedals.

01:45:08 - Yeah, no pedals, yeah.

01:45:09 - But the Super 73, it looks like such a cool,

01:45:12 like a dirt bike from 1975.

01:45:14 - Yeah.

01:45:15 - And also very nice people over there.

01:45:17 - Yes.

01:45:18 - It used to be called lithium cycles in that Super 73.

01:45:21 - Nice people everywhere.

01:45:22 - Michael called it the Kanamana Renzo.

01:45:23 Okay, I'm, Michael, you heard that.

01:45:25 The Corsetti one is,

01:45:26 the Corsetti just had is having a bike,

01:45:28 his version, their,

01:45:30 like the Corsetti cruiser bike is coming out.

01:45:31 It's great.

01:45:32 - Oh, great. - Thank you.

01:45:33 - This is perfect. - Plug.

01:45:34 - Plug, let's plug.

01:45:35 Let's, let's, and let's, let's,

01:45:37 let's close out by plugging.

01:45:38 - Crime Scene Kitchen.

01:45:39 - You're the host and executive producer.

01:45:43 - I am.

01:45:44 - What does an executive producer do?

01:45:46 - If you find the money.

01:45:47 - I pick out like the best sweaters.

01:45:49 - Okay.

01:45:50 - And then I have to get a larger size

01:45:52 so it fits later in the season.

01:45:53 (laughing)

01:45:54 - You know, I, you know, I'm not going like,

01:45:57 were those, they're not going on.

01:46:00 There's nothing like that.

01:46:01 No, it's, it's, it's, you know,

01:46:04 I make some suggestions and then I have.

01:46:06 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:07 I was just, I wondered,

01:46:08 I brought it up because back when another show

01:46:10 we had head to head, not, not,

01:46:11 this is the new one, but the head to head,

01:46:14 I, I, I was, contract negotiation time.

01:46:18 And my friend is an, he's not my agent,

01:46:20 but if I need him, he'd act as my agent,

01:46:22 but he's like, you need to ask,

01:46:23 he's like, how many seasons have you done?

01:46:24 You got to become an executive producer.

01:46:26 And I asked Jerry, our former coworker,

01:46:28 and he's like, no, absolutely not.

01:46:31 And I was like, really, why not?

01:46:33 He's like, you can't be an executive producer.

01:46:35 That's not how we work.

01:46:35 I was like, okay.

01:46:36 - And he's, he, 'cause he was the executive producer.

01:46:38 - But there's, there's always like seven executive.

01:46:41 - There's a lot of them.

01:46:41 - Yeah.

01:46:42 - Yeah.

01:46:43 - Yeah.

01:46:44 So your friend, Jerry should, if you're the show, then yeah.

01:46:47 - Well, it's, the show's gone.

01:46:48 He's gone.

01:46:49 It's all, it's all.

01:46:50 - He's dead?

01:46:51 - No, he's just, he moved on.

01:46:52 I think he retired.

01:46:53 - No, he's done, he's working with Hemsworth.

01:46:57 So he did a different, he did a different thing.

01:46:59 - Okay.

01:46:59 - Ed's very uncomfortable.

01:47:00 - Jerry's done great.

01:47:02 - All good.

01:47:03 - Jerry's great.

01:47:03 We love Jerry.

01:47:04 - We love Jerry.

01:47:05 - Jerry was awesome.

01:47:06 - And we love having.

01:47:07 - Ed, we didn't talk about your cars at all.

01:47:08 - It's fine.

01:47:09 - He's got a Land Cruiser.

01:47:09 - No, no, you've done me a huge favor

01:47:11 because I'm going to now throw this over to Corsetti.

01:47:13 I have, I got to get him in.

01:47:14 - You got to get him in.

01:47:15 He's great.

01:47:16 - We'll get him in.

01:47:17 - But Ed's got a Land Cruiser.

01:47:18 - I got a '87 Series, but it has a turbo diesel in it.

01:47:23 It's got a Toyota turbo diesel in it.

01:47:25 But it's got a crazy, it's a Canadian truck

01:47:28 with a Japanese engine and a brand new five speed,

01:47:31 but H55F Toyota five speed, it's all Toyota,

01:47:34 but it's got a terrible electrical problem.

01:47:36 So I got to get that sorted.

01:47:37 - Oh, talk to Corsetti.

01:47:38 - Yes.

01:47:39 - He's got a Porsche Turbo.

01:47:40 - Jonathan Ward was trying to help me with the.

01:47:42 - Oh, well then great.

01:47:43 Have Jonathan do it.

01:47:44 - It's a terrible story there.

01:47:45 I'll tell you all fair.

01:47:46 - All right.

01:47:47 - It was horribly electrocuted during the fix.

01:47:49 - It's actually worse than that.

01:47:51 So, yeah, but no, it was a pleasure having you on.

01:47:56 - Thank you.

01:47:57 This, finally.

01:47:58 - It's sort of sad that it actually happened.

01:48:01 Not because of how terrible it was,

01:48:02 but just like, it was such a good running joke.

01:48:04 Like, oh, he's got to go here to do this.

01:48:09 - But if you want to see the,

01:48:11 if you want to get an inside line on a Rivian,

01:48:14 here's your man, also a Lucid.

01:48:16 But they're showing the gravity at the LA,

01:48:18 the Lucid gravity, the new SUV.

01:48:19 - Next month?

01:48:21 - Yeah, November 16th, apparently.

01:48:23 And so we can circle back.

01:48:24 - And Shaheen Karimiyan.

01:48:26 I believe it's pronounced.

01:48:27 - Shaheen Karimiyan.

01:48:28 - Yes, Shaheen.

01:48:29 Is a scout.

01:48:30 So, you know, we know everybody.

01:48:32 - All your dreams come true.

01:48:33 - We know everybody.

01:48:34 - Square body SUV with some kind of electric power.

01:48:37 - I'll show you what my scout looks like at this point.

01:48:40 - Okay.

01:48:41 - It's almost, it's almost done.

01:48:42 - I'm excited about this guy.

01:48:42 - That's pretty cool.

01:48:43 - Pretty wonderfully stupid and ridiculous and great.

01:48:46 - Thank you so much.

01:48:47 And now you guys, fight!

01:48:50 - No.

01:48:51 - Only, I told you.

01:48:52 - I'm gonna break, like that monitor,

01:48:53 you don't need that.

01:48:54 - Right, no.

01:48:55 - No, I'm telling you, Curtis Stone.

01:48:57 - Have you been to Gwen?

01:48:59 - No.

01:49:00 - It is one of the best restaurants on the planet.

01:49:02 And it was just rated by Rob Report

01:49:04 as one of the top 10 steakhouses on the planet.

01:49:07 - I do love steakhouses.

01:49:08 - It's magic.

01:49:08 - And it's one of the things I can eat on my diet is steaks.

01:49:10 - Well, there you go.

01:49:11 - Yeah.

01:49:12 - It is, but like the salad is like.

01:49:14 - No, I know.

01:49:15 I love, I mean.

01:49:16 - It's a French steakhouse and it's just.

01:49:19 - Let's, we'll make a dinner of it.

01:49:21 - Let's go.

01:49:22 - We'll have Spike.

01:49:23 - Curtis Stone.

01:49:24 - And Jonathan.

01:49:24 - No, you don't want to do a Spike.

01:49:25 He also has Maude, which is great.

01:49:26 - Jonathan Wood.

01:49:27 - Oh yeah, yeah.

01:49:28 No, we can get better people than Spike.

01:49:29 - And Simarusti.

01:49:30 - We can get, yeah.

01:49:31 - And Sang Yoon.

01:49:31 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:32 - Let's get Seinfeld to come out.

01:49:33 - Let's go all our friends.

01:49:34 - Let's be great.

01:49:35 - He won't do anything with anyone.

01:49:36 - Oh, before you go, could you do us a huge favor?

01:49:41 - You're listening to the Inevitable podcast.

01:49:43 - Oh, that was good.

01:49:44 - That was perfect.

01:49:45 - But also look directly in the camera

01:49:46 and ask Dax Shepard if he'd come on and do this.

01:49:49 'Cause I listened to his great podcast with you on it.

01:49:51 - Dax, would it kill you to come on the Inevitable?

01:49:54 I get it.

01:49:55 They only have a 100th of your listenership and viewership.

01:50:00 Or is that even, is that being modest?

01:50:02 - 1000.

01:50:03 - But Dax, you love cars.

01:50:06 You're literally, you can race motorcycles.

01:50:09 Come on, they're great guys.

01:50:10 - Thank you.

01:50:11 - Wow.

01:50:12 - You'll love it, you'll love it.

01:50:13 Dax, come on.

01:50:14 What's going on?

01:50:15 You'll love it.

01:50:16 You might have to go to him though.

01:50:17 - I know.

01:50:18 As, yeah, well, we'll talk about that off the air.

01:50:20 Anyway.

01:50:21 (laughing)

01:50:22 It was awesome having you.

01:50:23 Thank you so much.

01:50:24 - Thank you for having me.

01:50:25 - Yeah, it was great, it was really fun.

01:50:26 - Very excited to not, to delay,

01:50:28 now to never commit again.

01:50:30 - No.

01:50:31 - And finally come in after seven years.

01:50:32 - We've done it.

01:50:33 - We'll get a new joke.

01:50:34 - It's gonna be great.

01:50:34 Thanks you guys.

01:50:35 - Thank you.

01:50:36 (laughing)

01:50:37 (dramatic music)

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