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00:00 [Speaking in Bahasa Melayu]
00:22 [Music]
00:40 Hi, assalamualaikum.
00:41 Right now we are at Nasik Kandar Basikal at Seri Kembangan.
00:44 And we are not just here to eat.
00:47 Because I am with an important person from the Halal Jahkim Department.
00:53 Together with Ustaz Pakarudin, his right-hand man.
00:57 Ustaz, assalamualaikum.
00:59 Waalaikumsalam.
01:00 To talk about Halal stuff, Halal seal.
01:04 Which is supposed to be a small and simple industry to apply in their shops.
01:10 So, let's eat together, Ustaz.
01:12 If we look at it now, because of the high cost of sealing.
01:17 So, small and simple industry operators are a bit complicated.
01:22 How is it, Ustaz? Maybe you can share.
01:25 [Speaking in Bahasa Melayu]
01:40 [Speaking in Bahasa Melayu]
02:07 Okay, so how is it with the small and simple industry mindset?
02:12 They say it's complicated, complicated to apply for this Halal seal.
02:17 So, they say it's okay if there is no Halal seal.
02:19 What is your opinion, Ustaz?
02:21 If we want to eat now, we have to pay a few hundred.
02:26 But this is not the case.
02:29 [Speaking in Bahasa Melayu]
02:57 Okay, but Ustaz, there are also people who say that when they want to apply for this Halal seal.
03:02 From the seal, they have to go to a big factory.
03:05 People have such thoughts, right?
03:08 Maybe Ustaz can share.
03:10 Actually, if we want to talk about small, the smallest business is a kiosk.
03:16 For a kiosk, maybe one or two workers.
03:19 They say they sell puffs, etc.
03:21 They are qualified to apply for the seal.
03:23 Or maybe a small food truck.
03:27 They say they can sell small food trucks.
03:29 So, it's not necessary to discuss the details.
03:33 Meaning, as many as possible people who are qualified to apply, they can apply for the seal.
03:38 Even if there is a business that has been approved, they can still apply.
03:43 That's right.
03:44 But why, you know, I noticed that when people talk about Halal seal,
03:48 there are steps or steps to slow down the process of applying for the seal.
03:55 If they want to wait for the Halal seal, then they can start the operation.
03:59 So, what is it that slows down the process?
04:02 Or is it step by step, Ustaz?
04:03 Actually, when we say we want to apply for the seal, there are definitely procedures.
04:08 The first procedure is that it doesn't have to be in the seal.
04:11 For example, the premise of the seal must be clean.
04:14 That's right.
04:15 Then, the seal must be cleaned.
04:18 For us, that's the normal process.
04:21 Here, we want to fill in the form.
04:23 So, step by step, if the person who is applying for the seal has an attempt,
04:29 then God willing, the seal will be approved.
04:32 So, actually, I don't want to say it's difficult.
04:35 I don't want to say it's difficult because sometimes,
04:38 like now, it's busy.
04:41 There's no time to apply for the seal.
04:43 But, here, it looks easy.
04:46 But, actually, Ustaz, how long does it take?
04:48 Because people say that if you want to get the Halal seal, it's slow.
04:51 It's slow to get it.
04:52 Actually, how long does it take from the moment we start applying until it's approved?
04:56 If it's the fastest, then it takes a month to be approved.
05:02 If it's the earliest, then it takes a month to be approved.
05:07 So, if it's the fastest, then it takes a week.
05:12 If it's the earliest, then it takes a week to be approved.
05:15 So, sometimes, there's a phone call.
05:17 We have a section in the government that says it's compliant.
05:21 And then, we call the PTA.
05:24 When they enter the building, it takes 1 to 3 days to pay.
05:28 It's a regular call.
05:29 We don't record it.
05:30 But, we have a different mechanism.
05:32 So, it's not as slow as it looks.
05:34 It depends on the availability and the seal.
05:37 From the documentation perspective?
05:39 Yes, for example, there are 2 people who have to go to the toilet.
05:48 Oh, I see.
05:49 It's just one person.
05:51 If one person is sick, or if they don't have any food, then they have to go to the toilet.
05:54 The person who is in the toilet will be in trouble because they have to go through a refusal.
05:59 So, that's one of the things.
06:01 If it's the earliest, then it's a commitment.
06:03 And then, we'll do the training.
06:05 And then, it'll be approved.
06:08 Okay, Ustaz.
06:09 If we say that there is no Halal seal,
06:12 what will be the impact on the business or the entrepreneurs?
06:16 So, the Halal seal is not mandatory.
06:20 Even though it's not mandatory,
06:22 now, when I know that in Malaysia,
06:25 many businessmen and women who drink milk tea,
06:28 they will ask for a Halal seal.
06:32 So, if there are many entrepreneurs,
06:34 they don't have a Halal seal or Halal law in Malaysia,
06:37 it will be a problem.
06:38 They will be subject to the law.
06:39 God will punish them.
06:41 So, for example, if there is a virus,
06:43 if there is a Halal law,
06:45 the government will be responsible for the person who says it.
06:48 Or if they feel it's a violation,
06:50 they will not ask, "Where is the chicken?"
06:52 "Where is the chicken?"
06:53 "Who is the one who is stealing?"
06:54 And so on.
06:55 So, they will be punished by the person who says it.
06:57 That's how it is now.
06:59 But from the perspective of the law,
07:01 if there is no seal, what will happen to the business?
07:04 If, for example,
07:06 there is a day when people ask,
07:08 "Do you want to eat at this shop?"
07:10 "Yes."
07:11 "We have all kinds of food."
07:13 If they say, "Halal" or "Muslim" as the original word,
07:18 it means that they have to have a seal.
07:20 They can't decline.
07:22 Or they have to be told,
07:24 "You can choose Halal or Fajr."
07:26 They can't.
07:27 It means that they have to have a seal.
07:28 But if there is a violation,
07:31 the police can issue a fine of RM500,000 to RM1 million
07:33 or a restraining order.
07:35 So, do they have to be punished
07:38 or are they prevented from being punished?
07:42 Okay, so that's it for today's Zain Menu Halal.
07:46 We had Nasib Khan and Basikal
07:48 with the head of the legal department.
07:53 We will talk more about Halal stuff.
07:57 Until then, goodbye.
08:00 Goodbye.
08:01 (Music)
08:06 (upbeat music)