On the latest episode of Talkin C's, Bobby Krivitsky, Jack Simone, and Sam LaFrance examine the Celtics' loss to the Pacers, the importance of Kristaps Porzingis' return, and what to look for in Boston's game vs. the Knicks on Friday.
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00:10 >> And we are back with another episode of How About Them Celtics/Talking C's.
00:14 We are here with Bobby Kravitzky of SI Media Group.
00:18 Inside the Celtics is the Celtics page.
00:20 Bobby, how you doing?
00:21 >> Doing fantastic.
00:22 My apologies because we're supposed to be every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
00:27 The reason that we had to delay that this week, a little bit under the weather,
00:31 the voice wasn't cooperating, but we're back up and running now.
00:34 >> It's always great to say we're back.
00:36 >> We're back.
00:38 >> We're back at the throat coating tea, so we're good to go here.
00:41 >> All right.
00:42 >> We are, we are.
00:43 Sam and I are in different locations.
00:44 He's actually in the bathroom right over there.
00:46 And I'm in the hotel room.
00:49 We're in Vegas.
00:50 We bought tickets months ago to go to the in-season tournament,
00:53 hoping the Celtics would make it, and then they decided to come up one game short.
00:57 But we're here anyways, cuz we had the tickets and we're just gonna have a good
00:59 time. We were at the pace- >> I get treated to a nice show by Tyrese
01:02 Halliburton.
01:03 >> Yes.
01:03 >> It's cooking. >> It was very vindicating to see him do
01:05 it to somebody else too, cuz I would have been really, really mad.
01:08 Cuz he wasn't great in the first half of this game,
01:11 neither was he against the Celtics.
01:13 And I was like, damn, is he really, really gonna light up the Celtics and
01:17 then not show up against Milwaukee?
01:18 But no, he drilled the dagger against them.
01:21 He set up a lot of his teammates really well.
01:22 He had a pretty solid game in Vegas, for sure.
01:25 He's lobbying for that super cool Crystal basketball,
01:30 all the all-time the team is gonna get.
01:32 I think he's a lock, love the term.
01:34 >> I think he'll be honest.
01:36 Yeah, no, but Vegas, we're here, regardless of the Celtics.
01:40 We saw Shaq, he came in behind us- >> Yes.
01:42 >> We're doing super fun stuff.
01:44 >> Shaq was literally five feet from me.
01:47 I have a picture with, multiple pictures with Shaq.
01:49 One was a selfie, another was Devin, our friend who's with us,
01:53 took a picture of me taking a picture of myself with Shaq.
01:56 And that's a way better picture, because Shaq, so
02:00 we were at a basketball shooting game.
02:02 They have all these hoops, and they're different sizes.
02:05 And as the round goes, you shoot at the higher hoops,
02:08 they're like 20 feet, 30 feet, whatever.
02:09 And Shaq pulls up, and he wants a shot.
02:14 So we got Shaq's follow through in the background of me.
02:18 And it's a great picture, I will tweet it out.
02:21 >> That's an awesome picture.
02:21 >> It was really cool, he was super close to us.
02:23 He was a man of people.
02:24 He's exactly how you would imagine.
02:26 >> My question was gonna be, did you say what's up to him?
02:28 But the fact that you got the selfie there- >> No,
02:30 I did not say what's up to him.
02:31 >> Answers that.
02:32 >> You got the selfie. >> I don't have that sort of confidence.
02:33 >> [LAUGH] >> Mr. Simone,
02:36 now you feel like going to say what's up to Diesel?
02:38 >> Nah, now we were in line, so it was kind of awkward.
02:40 There was a lot of people between us, and I didn't wanna yell over everybody.
02:43 It was funny though, cuz TNT and ESPN are both there.
02:47 And so Chuck was yelling at Stephen A.
02:49 Smith, the ESPN booth, and they were yelling back at the TNT booth.
02:53 It was a very cool environment outside of the T-Mobile arena.
02:57 >> Yeah, it was like a little carnival as you described it.
03:00 Best Chuck moment of the day was some fan was yelling at Chuck,
03:03 that Chuck couldn't guard him.
03:05 And Chuck says, I wanna know what team you're on that's so
03:09 bad that you have to get in the game.
03:11 >> [LAUGH] >> Yeah, no, I mean, it's great.
03:14 It was a great environment.
03:15 I'm trying to pull up the picture.
03:19 So I can show you the follow through of Shaq.
03:21 I shared it with myself on Slack, so I could pull it up.
03:26 So Bobby, this is the picture we got of the big man with Sam as Feeder,
03:33 him hanging out.
03:34 >> That is perfect.
03:36 >> Yeah. >> It was great.
03:37 >> My God.
03:38 >> Okay, you take a selfie.
03:40 Diesel holding the phone.
03:41 That is perfect.
03:42 I'm guessing he missed the free throw.
03:44 >> Yeah, air ball.
03:45 >> Slammed off the backboard as hard as you.
03:48 >> He was a good distance away.
03:50 It wasn't a free throw.
03:51 He was pretty far.
03:52 >> Yeah, those clips of them shouting back and
03:54 forth from one desk to the other.
03:56 There's already been a bunch of those that have gone viral,
03:58 as you would expect.
03:59 >> Really? >> Yeah, yeah.
04:00 >> We haven't been on Twitter.
04:02 >> Yeah, they're all over the place.
04:04 >> It was funny, but we wish the Celtics were here.
04:06 And the reason they're not here is the perfect transition,
04:08 because they got beaten by the Pacers last days mean nothing to me anymore.
04:14 I couldn't tell you what day it was.
04:15 >> Monday at this point.
04:16 >> Monday. >> You've been in the desert for
04:17 a little bit.
04:17 >> That's fair.
04:18 >> Yeah, I've been lost, but lost to the Pacers, lost to Alliburton.
04:23 We talked about this on How About Them Celtics a little bit.
04:26 My initial thoughts, and then I'll let you guys run.
04:28 I think it came down to turnovers.
04:30 I think it came down to bad three-point shooting, and
04:32 then a bad third quarter.
04:33 And I really think, and obviously those are big factors, but
04:36 I truly think that that's just what it was.
04:38 I think that's what happened.
04:38 Bobby, what's your take from the Celtics Pacers?
04:40 >> Well, it's just funny how every loss so far feels like it reflects
04:45 the biggest concerns about this Celtics team.
04:48 And so everyone has to ask themselves, are we overreacting?
04:52 And at the same time, these are trends that we continue to see.
04:55 The third quarter chatter has gotten so loud that it's reached the point where
05:00 it's gonna be something that the players feel,
05:02 especially when they're at TD Garden.
05:04 Every single time they come out of halftime, more and more Joe Mazzuola and
05:08 the roster, these guys are getting asked about it.
05:11 They're gonna start to really feel that, again, especially at home.
05:15 And I think it starts with, cuz I'm just a firm believer in defense,
05:20 setting the table and think that should be at the forefront of this team's identity.
05:24 It certainly was when they made their run to the finals in 2022.
05:28 And that allows you to play up tempo.
05:31 And sometimes it feels like their best players don't always wanna do that.
05:35 But there's such a difference in their results based on their pace of play and
05:40 how that looks and what it translates to.
05:42 So if they can continue to get stops, and Joe Mazzuola said after the Pacers lost,
05:46 he felt like they were doing a terrible job with their angles and
05:50 keeping guys in front.
05:51 And so as a result, you're taking the ball out,
05:53 you're going against the set defense,
05:55 you're less likely to push it up the floor consistently.
05:58 And we saw what happened, and that of course lends itself to turnovers and
06:02 low quality threes.
06:03 So it was that third quarter is a microcosm of one of the major concerns
06:07 about this team.
06:10 >> Yeah, I think the defense stuff is really the big red flag for me.
06:14 I was in the masses of people that were none too pleased with Monday's outing
06:18 in Indiana.
06:19 And the thing that killed me the most was the fact that they could not buy a stop
06:23 in the fourth quarter when they really had it going on the offensive end.
06:27 You were seeing some big made shots from Jason Tatum.
06:31 Backing guys down, getting to the elbow, and then he's drilling these shots like
06:37 he's the most confident guy on the court.
06:39 And then the Celtics come down and you have that feeling watching the game,
06:43 you just know they aren't gonna get a stop.
06:45 I felt like I was watching the teams of old that they blew up in effort to
06:51 take the next step and I was like, wow, why does this feel the same?
06:54 This shouldn't feel the same anymore.
06:56 They made all these changes.
06:57 Why are they still having issues getting stops?
06:59 Now the Pacers do deserve credit.
07:01 Jack and I bounce this one back and forth because Halliburton was unconscious down
07:05 the stretch.
07:06 He was setting his guys up and when he wasn't,
07:09 he was making the big shots himself.
07:11 But I'm with Bobby, I love a defensive driven team.
07:15 I think it's the most controllable of all the variables you have to offer.
07:19 It doesn't mean I think you should neglect offense, but
07:21 when I watch a game, it's a big game, a moment in the season.
07:27 Historical game, first quarter final ever.
07:31 And there's a vibe about it that's playoff like in the arena and
07:34 then you can't get stops.
07:36 Red flag makes me sweat, makes me upset.
07:39 >> Yeah, it was tough.
07:41 I mean, I said this to Sam when we talked about it on our pod and
07:44 he was very mad.
07:45 But I was basically like, I think there were games this season that
07:49 the Celtics won in which they played worse than this game.
07:52 So it sucks, but I do think there is a level of, dude, the Pacers didn't miss.
07:57 So obviously, I think you have to address all the problems that we all stated,
08:02 like the third quarters and the defense and all that stuff.
08:04 But I also don't think it was a complete disaster game,
08:07 like the Hornets, for example, was a complete disaster game.
08:09 So there's that, but who would have helped against the Pacers?
08:12 Not an excuse, but would have helped Christophs Rosengus,
08:15 who pat myself on the back for that, definitely not forced segue.
08:18 Could be back, [LAUGH] as you're listening to this tonight against the Knicks.
08:24 He hinted at it at practice, and then they listed him as probable.
08:27 It sounds like he's making his way back.
08:29 When he went down with that calf strain against the Magic,
08:31 it was kind of scary because it was an uncontact injury.
08:34 Everyone's like, what's gonna happen?
08:35 Then he posted to Instagram saying, probably fine, short term thing, good news.
08:40 So excited to get him back in the lineup because I don't think it can be
08:44 overstated just how much he changes the way they play.
08:47 >> Yeah, you're exactly right, Jack.
08:50 And he posted on Instagram the other day that everything's lined up for
08:53 him to return on Friday.
08:55 He went through a scrimmage and was really getting after it
08:58 at the hour back center yesterday.
09:00 And then he told everyone that he hasn't spoken to the medical staff.
09:03 Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't.
09:04 But everything seems lined up for him to be active.
09:07 And then the latest injury report has him as probable.
09:10 So at this point, it would signal that there was some sort of regression
09:14 if he doesn't end up playing against the Knicks.
09:17 And it's obviously welcome to get him back in the lineup because like you said,
09:21 we all see it.
09:22 He is a rising tide that lifts all boats.
09:24 He's a two-way impact.
09:25 He's been excellent as a rim protector.
09:28 He's shown that he has mobility for his size to do a little bit more than that.
09:32 And they can spin the dial with how they use him defensively.
09:36 And offensively, no one's benefited from his arrival more than Jalen Brown,
09:40 who is growing as a facilitator.
09:43 And it really stems from that pick and roll partnership.
09:46 So what he does for this team and their crunch time offense,
09:49 which obviously was not particularly effective against the Pacers,
09:53 is a blessing and they couldn't get him back soon enough.
09:55 >> Yeah, the looks for the other guys on the Celtics are just gonna get that much
10:00 easier because of the extra attention he's gonna require and Tatum's gonna require.
10:05 And he's also gonna make Jalen Brown's life a lot easier because, I mean,
10:09 Jalen had ESPN making fun of his assists not being existent in the last couple games.
10:15 >> That was so- >> It is dumb and
10:18 it wasn't fair cuz he played decent against the Pacers.
10:22 He was actually hitting guys, they just weren't making shots.
10:24 But having Porzingis there will give him his guy back, as you kinda touched on.
10:30 They get it, they live in the same building.
10:33 Brown pitched Porzingis as one of the funniest guys on the team.
10:37 Porzingis pitched it right back.
10:39 What was that a part of, Jack?
10:41 Cuz I know we talked about, they listed the, it was Kristop's Q&A on Instagram,
10:46 where he said I'm coming back.
10:47 He also talked about the funniest teammates.
10:49 So him and Jalen have a true connection.
10:51 When Jalen's back, it's gonna make Porzingis more effective and
10:54 it's gonna do the same for Jalen.
10:55 Because Jalen's at his best when he's moving the ball and
10:59 playing within the flow of the offense.
11:01 And when the offense is the Jalen Porzingis pick and roll,
11:03 he really can't go wrong.
11:04 I love the low post game that Porzingis brings.
11:08 He's just bigger than everyone, so it makes defenses have to really panic.
11:13 And on defense, you would have seen a much different type of team down
11:19 the stretch because the Pacers, it felt like they were able to get whatever they
11:22 wanted at times in that game because there was nobody protecting the rim.
11:26 When Porzingis is in, these teams cannot buy a basket in the paint.
11:29 It's much, much more difficult for them to score inside.
11:32 >> Yeah, I think it's fitting that he's coming back against the Knicks.
11:39 He played them in opening night, had a great game.
11:40 I think he can help space the floor, get Hart and Stein and
11:43 Mitch Robinson out of the paint.
11:45 Like I said, everything just kind of changes when Porzingis is in the lineup.
11:49 And I'm excited to see him back and I'm sure he's excited to take on his former
11:52 team.
11:53 >> I missed him.
11:55 >> Yeah, you think Celtics have missed him too.
11:57 But next thing we got is Jason Tatum talking about Boston.
12:01 We briefly touched on this on the pod yesterday.
12:04 Basically, it was an interview point forward with Evan Turner and
12:10 Andre Goodalla and said, I didn't realize how special Boston was until I got here.
12:15 And then he talked about integrating himself into the city,
12:17 the fans accepting him.
12:19 He's talked a lot about rooting against Boston because he was a Kobe fan and
12:23 not liking Boston before he got here, but then understanding it's a special city.
12:26 And at least me, I'm curious to know your guys' thoughts.
12:30 I think this year you've seen a lot more of Tatum, and I guess kind of last year
12:34 too, but this year you've seen a lot of Tatum taking on that leadership role more
12:38 that smarts out, like the meeting before the season with the starters, right?
12:42 A lot of this, I think it was in an interview with Jeff Goodman at
12:45 the Messenger before the season.
12:46 He's like, I don't lead like KG, but that doesn't mean it's not there, right?
12:49 So I really like that part.
12:50 And I think the fact that he has been so receptive to embracing that role of
12:56 being a star in Boston,
12:58 he's probably the biggest star athlete in Boston right now currently.
13:02 And so that's a giant weight on his shoulders.
13:05 And to see him embrace the city like that's really fun.
13:09 >> Yeah, I think he's definitely the face of Boston sports right now and
13:13 has firmly taken a mantra that a model that was up for
13:17 grabs after Tom Brady left and he has the mantle now.
13:20 And then as far as embracing Boston and all of that,
13:24 look, this is a city with a tough outer shell.
13:27 And when you come in with the, well, I got drafted here,
13:31 I guess I have to make the best of it.
13:34 It's gonna take some time and the city needs to see, can you perform on the court?
13:38 Can you win?
13:40 Are you someone worth us investing in?
13:43 And he's clearly shown that coinciding with his maturation and
13:47 really getting comfortable in who he is.
13:49 I think he's certainly grown as a leader and then that also allows him to
13:53 express sentiments like the one you referenced, Jack, to Jeff Goodman.
13:57 Where he's saying, look, I'm not Kevin Garnett, I'm Jason Tatum, but
14:01 you better believe that I'm leading in my own organic natural way.
14:05 And it's clear with other initiatives that he's done,
14:09 like calling for that meeting before the season with the top six.
14:12 And getting everyone to really air everything out right there before they got
14:16 going, each one of them individually have spoken about how valuable that was.
14:21 Tatum organized it.
14:22 So he certainly has grown as a leader, as a person, and
14:27 obviously as a basketball player.
14:29 And so it really is great to see that relationship between him and
14:32 Boston be what it is now.
14:35 It's at a level where I think it deserves to be, he's more than earned it.
14:41 Regardless of whether or not a championship even comes in the future,
14:45 he deserves to be someone the city fully embraces and wraps their arms around.
14:49 And I think they've done that.
14:50 >> It's funny that you mentioned the championship,
14:53 because that's what I was going to start on.
14:55 I think once he gets there, it's felt long overdue,
15:00 because I believe they could have won twice already, or three times.
15:04 But the amount of love he gets without that even happening,
15:09 when it happens or if it happens, it's going to be crazy.
15:13 He's going to be one of the city's favorite players ever.
15:17 He's going to have the type of love somebody like Paul Pierce gets,
15:20 no matter what, it's unconditional.
15:22 The people here love him.
15:23 They will continue to love him every time he's on the Jumbo Tron at the Garden.
15:26 They go nuts.
15:27 It's always exciting to see him around the team.
15:30 And you mentioned Tom Brady too.
15:33 Tatum has the team around him, and it's possible for him to go on a sustained run.
15:39 It's set up that way.
15:40 It should happen, and they should have already won.
15:43 But it's also very possible that he could end up with nothing and still be well loved.
15:48 He could be like the lovable loser the Celtics have had,
15:51 which has never really happened with this franchise.
15:54 But he's also done a ton of winning,
15:56 so this is the only place he would really ever be considered a loser.
16:00 With the resume he has at, what, 25?
16:03 He's been to a finals, three, four Easter Conference finals,
16:07 whatever it's been, and just hasn't gotten over the hump yet.
16:09 But when they eventually get there, it feels like they're just going to be
16:13 an absolute hoss and a force to be reckoned with every single season.
16:17 And he's certainly on pace to get his number retired,
16:20 especially considering he'll probably end up being the leading scorer
16:23 by the time he's done, if he stays forever.
16:26 Yeah, and that's a crazy thing to think about.
16:29 I mean, it's weird because the city...
16:32 I was thinking about it, right?
16:33 Paul Pierce comes back to all these games when you mentioned they love him like Paul Pierce loves him.
16:37 It almost feels like Tatum is a bigger star than Paul Pierce was.
16:42 And so that makes me wonder if he would be around the team as much as Paul Pierce.
16:46 Paul Pierce's life was the Celtics, and now it is the Celtics.
16:49 It feels like Tatum is...
16:51 This isn't like trying to knock Tatum. I love Tatum.
16:52 I think everything he's done for the city is amazing,
16:54 and I think him embracing the city is awesome.
16:55 But do you think he would come back to as many games as Paul Pierce,
16:59 or do you think he is too big of a star to do that consistently?
17:02 Does that make sense?
17:03 Yeah, totally. I think that right now,
17:06 the easy answer would be to guess it's not as frequent as Pierce, who's around a lot.
17:11 But let's see what he does post-career and what his next chapter looks like
17:16 and where it is, how much travel's involved, and all of that.
17:20 Because Pierce, remember, he was with ESPN for a little bit.
17:23 That makes it easier to come back.
17:24 Does Tatum go into media?
17:26 But right now, I think it's something...
17:28 They referenced this in that same appearance where he said some...
17:33 They told him something like he's got the most sponsorships of any NBA player,
17:37 most endorsement deals, something like that.
17:39 So given how active he is on fronts like that,
17:43 while he still has the playing career,
17:45 we got to see what it looks like afterwards.
17:48 I also think Tatum's going to retire and then just disappear.
17:53 Not so much to where he's not doing sponsorships,
17:56 but the man hates to talk, it seems.
17:59 He's very quiet.
18:01 He's not someone I can see sitting on the TNT or ESPN panel
18:04 before these big games and talking a whole lot.
18:07 There have been a lot of players, though,
18:08 who it seems like that at one point in their career,
18:10 especially earlier, and then sure enough, they end up in the booth.
18:14 I mean, I'm sure he'd be funny.
18:15 He definitely has charismatic moments with you guys at the press conferences,
18:19 saying he wasn't mad, "Please don't print that I'm mad."
18:23 And also, he was like, "Man, I wanted to go to Vegas."
18:26 Like, I mean, I would have loved to have him here.
18:28 It would have been sick, but, you know,
18:32 they get to play the Knicks on Friday.
18:34 How exciting.
18:35 Thank you for the transition.
18:36 The Celtics do, in fact, play the Knicks tonight
18:39 as we're talking about this.
18:41 And I don't want to say it's a big game,
18:44 but it feels like any time this team loses,
18:45 you don't want to go on a losing streak, right?
18:47 They're one-on-one in their double back-to-back Minnesota versus Philly,
18:52 losing twice.
18:54 This Knicks team is a team that usually plays them hard,
18:56 quickly has had some big games against them.
18:58 They get active on the glass.
19:01 But yeah, back losses, right?
19:04 This is a big game in that sense.
19:06 Bobby, what are you looking for in this game?
19:08 Well, the Celtics have not done well.
19:10 And again, this is one of those issues that it's not just new this year
19:14 against physicality.
19:16 And the Knicks are one of the prime examples
19:18 of giving them a hard time because of that.
19:21 So we'll see against this Tom Thibodeau coach defense
19:25 if they're able to handle that.
19:26 Joe Mizzoula talks all the time when things don't go well for the Celtics
19:30 about they need to do a better job fighting for their spacing
19:33 and being physical off the ball and in holding their position
19:37 when they set screens.
19:38 And the Knicks are going to test that as they always
19:41 do, no matter the opponent.
19:43 So we'll see with the Celtics.
19:44 And with poor Zingas, we were praising him earlier, deservedly so.
19:48 But he also has earned a lot of flack for not being someone
19:52 who loves to get physical and get nasty and to even just hold his screens.
19:56 He's much happier to quickly set it and then move on,
20:00 whether he's rolling or popping for a three.
20:02 So this is going to be a test for the Celtics in their consistency
20:06 and focus in that department.
20:08 Yeah, big test any time you play player of the week, Julius Randle,
20:13 somebody that is one of the most efficient and under control
20:18 basketball players across the association.
20:20 But to your point, Bobby, I hate when this team
20:23 lose multiple games in a row.
20:25 I think it does have a bit of a big game feel Friday night at the Garden.
20:29 You have the Knicks in town.
20:30 They just got bounced out of the tournament, too,
20:31 by the lesser Bucs, who weren't able to make the championship, by the way.
20:35 But the Celtics did have the hard road.
20:37 And both teams are going to be hungry for a win.
20:41 You're going to get some good basketball.
20:42 And as much as I con on Randle, he's actually
20:44 playing more up to his standard, where he's getting selected all NBA
20:48 teams for whatever reason.
20:51 They didn't have that version of Julius Randle in these first two games.
20:54 Now, it doesn't mean the Celtics should lose.
20:55 I think they should win every single game they play.
20:58 And they are in a position to beat this Knicks team handily.
21:02 Having Porzingis back is going to help them.
21:04 He's going to add more layers to their offense,
21:06 especially late in the game.
21:07 If it gets stale, it makes it easier for them to slow the game down.
21:11 But yeah, they need to win a physical game.
21:13 They need to win a dogfight.
21:15 Give me some confidence back after you melted it against the Pacers
21:18 on the defensive end.
21:19 Get some big stops against the Knicks.
21:22 I agree.
21:23 What I'm looking for most is the Knicks are--
21:25 I don't have the numbers in front of me,
21:27 but Mitchell Robinson's one of the best offensive rebounders in the league,
21:29 if not the best.
21:30 Isaiah Hardenstein gets active on that end.
21:32 It feels like the Celtics have really keyed in and locked
21:35 into their offensive rebounding, sending guys from the corner, Sam
21:37 Hauser, Drew Holiday.
21:39 I wonder if they can win that battle.
21:42 I was talking to Andrew Claudio of Knicks film school.
21:44 I did a pregame Knicks film school pregame show that comes out
21:47 same time as this tomorrow--
21:49 excuse me, the morning of the game, which one of you guys are listening to this.
21:52 And he said Knicks have actually been getting beat on the offensive glass
21:55 as of late.
21:55 Feels like Robinson hasn't been quite as effective.
21:58 So I wonder if that's a place the Celtics can hone in, stop the Knicks
22:00 in transition, and then focus on the transition game of their own
22:03 on the other end.
22:04 So I think if you can beat the Knicks where they thrive the most,
22:08 you're at a really good advantage in that game.
22:10 But--
22:11 Yeah, to that point, that was a key--
22:14 when the Celtics beat the Knicks in the most recent matchup
22:17 is after the first quarter.
22:18 They did a great job limiting their second chance opportunities.
22:22 And when you do that to a New York team that typically doesn't shoot the ball
22:25 well, it's very difficult for them to win.
22:29 This is a big earn my respect game for the Celtics,
22:32 because if they get beat up on the offensive glass,
22:36 it's not going to be a whole lot of fun when we come on the postgame pod.
22:40 Tell you that.
22:41 Not going to be a good time.
22:42 Not going to be a good time.
22:44 I think we got it all, though.
22:45 Was there anything else that we forgot about?
22:46 I think we hit all the points.
22:47 Unless-- did I miss something?
22:49 I think we covered it all.
22:50 By the way, Jack Simone, I guess we can end with this extra point.
22:54 Nice hat tip from JJ Redick to you by saying
22:58 that he has long been lobbying Derek White to be in the top 50.
23:04 And so I know you've been there since day one.
23:07 And I know the Ringer just put him at 49.
23:10 I'll even add this, that if you go to the Ringer's list,
23:13 there's a lot of players ahead of Derek White,
23:16 even though they put him at 49, that you'd
23:18 rather have him than James Harden, for example, on your basketball team.
23:22 OK, now I'm looking quick.
23:23 Just before we wrap up, I just need to know if he got disrespected more.
23:26 Need vindication.
23:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:28 There are players you're going to disagree with.
23:30 At least, they're the only ones as of now that have him in the top 50.
23:34 OK, Derek White is 49.
23:36 DeJounte Murray, Draymond Green, Rudy Gobert,
23:38 James Harden would take him above Alperin Shmgun, I guess.
23:43 OK, I can't fight too many of these, but there are certainly--
23:47 would you--
23:48 Laurie Markkinen's fine.
23:49 He was an all-star, but like, yeah, I'm going to say he would be taken.
23:52 Would.
23:53 I agree.
23:53 Based on Markkinen this season and his whole career,
23:57 I'd rather have D. White.
23:59 I agree.
24:00 I agree.
24:01 Zion is a large man.
24:03 D. White, the shapeshifter.
24:04 He can give you anything, anything you need.
24:07 That's been the most--
24:09 I'd take Derek White over Jaren Jackson Jr. this season.
24:12 Yep, that was another one.
24:13 Harden, I'd take him over Draymond this season.
24:16 Maybe not DeJounte Murray, but maybe--
24:18 OK, OK, anyways, thank you for informing me.
24:21 I had to go respect the boy.
24:23 But yeah.
24:25 Anything else you want to say before we jump on out of here, Bobby?
24:27 We covered it all.
24:29 Awesome.
24:30 Thank you all for tuning in.
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24:51 Oh, also, sorry to cut you off, Sam.
24:54 This is our only upload today.
24:55 If you're waiting for a double upload, we're
24:57 going to push the double upload to Saturday because there's no game.
25:00 So it makes more sense for a double upload.
25:01 We're not chipping you guys on content, though.
25:02 So we're going to use this as our 5 AM.
25:04 Then we'll double post tomorrow.
25:05 Unless they clean up at the slots right now,
25:07 then you won't get that second episode.
25:09 No.
25:09 Yeah, then we might be--
25:10 We'll be us being like, look at all our money.
25:14 But yeah, sorry.
25:14 We'll be like Zion at the podium laughing.
25:16 Be like, oh my god, what are we going to do?
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