Backstage CM Punk & Roman Reigns WWE HEAT! | WrestleTalk - video Dailymotion

WrestleTalk

Do you think Punk & Reigns will have a WWE feud? Let us know in the comments! Every Time CM Punk SHOT On WWE  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbsd_28d2Q More wrestling news on https://wrestletalk.com/ Backstage CM Punk & Roman Reigns WWE HEAT! | WrestleTalk #CMPunk #RomanReigns #WWE  Subscribe to WrestleTalk Podcasts   https://bit.ly/3pEAEIu Subscribe to partsFUNknown for lists, fantasy booking & more  https://bit.ly/32JJsCv Subscribe to NoRollsBarred  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5UQPZe-8v4_UP1uxi4Mv6A Subscribe to WrestleTalk  https://bit.ly/3gKdNK3 SUBSCRIBE TO THEM ALL! Make sure to enable ALL push notifications!  Watch the latest wrestling news: https://shorturl.at/pAIV3 Buy WrestleTalk Merch here! https://wrestleshop.com/   Follow WrestleTalk: Twitter: https://twitter.com/_WrestleTalk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WrestleTalk.Official Patreon: https://goo.gl/2yuJpo WrestleTalk Podcast on iTunes: https://goo.gl/7advjX WrestleTalk Podcast on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3uKx6HD  Written by: Oli Davis Presented by: Oli Davis Thumbnail by: Brandon Syres Image Sourcing by: Brandon Syres  About WrestleTalk: Welcome to the official WrestleTalk YouTube channel! WrestleTalk covers the sport of professional wrestling - including WWE TV shows (both WWE Raw & WWE SmackDown LIVE), PPVs (such as Royal Rumble, WrestleMania & SummerSlam), AEW All Elite Wrestling, Impact Wrestling, ROH, New Japan, and more. Subscribe and enable ALL notifications for the latest wrestling WWE reviews and wrestling news.  Sources used for research:  Youtube Channel Comments Policy We appreciate the comments and opinions our viewers provide. Do note that all comments are subject to YouTube auto-moderation and manual moderation review. We encourage opinions and discussion, but harassment, hate speech, bullying and other abusive posts will not be tolerated. Decisions on comment removal are made by the Community Manager. Please email us at support@wrestletalk.com with any questions or concerns.

Transcript

00:00 Seth Rollins thinks CM Punk is a cancer, Jon Moxley didn't want to deal with Punk's

00:05 dumb S-word in AEW, and Roman Reigns might've never forgiven Punk for one comment he made

00:11 all the way back in 2014.

00:14 I'm Oli Davis asking, why does the Shield hate CM Punk so much?

00:25 CM Punk admitted in his first promo in a WWE ring in almost 10 years that he finally feels

00:31 like himself again.

00:32 He's with his family.

00:34 He's home.

00:35 But as anyone who's spent time with their family at home over Thanksgiving or Christmas

00:39 will tell you, that brings with it loads of negative feelings and arguments.

00:44 Now I don't want to hear you rank Strictly Come Dancing contestants in order of who you

00:48 want to have sex with the most, Uncle Ian.

00:50 Grandma is sitting right next to you.

00:52 The chief amongst those is Seth Rollins.

00:55 In backstage negative feelings with CM Punk kind of way, not who Uncle Ian wants to have

01:00 sex with.

01:02 Because that's Angela Rippem.

01:03 Sports Illustrated have reported that Punk's first major WWE feud will be against Rollins,

01:08 which started getting built the same night Punk made his return at Survivor Series 2023.

01:13 Rollins followed up by calling Punk a hypocrite on Raw, which Punk seemingly referenced in

01:18 his return promo, saying how not everyone was pleased to see him back.

01:22 But that's not the only seed Punk planted.

01:25 Also in that interview, Punk referenced a wise man who had once told him that to get

01:30 what he truly wants from WWE, a WrestleMania main event, he'd have to leave and come

01:35 back.

01:36 And as Dave Meltzer writes, that wise man is Punk's former WWE manager Paul Heyman,

01:42 the current manager of the biggest star in the company, Roman Reigns.

01:48 According to Meltzer, Reigns vs Punk is the obvious ultimate destination.

01:53 Obvious ultimate destination, title of your next premium live event.

01:56 But the plan is to take a lot of time before getting there.

01:59 But there is concern behind the scenes that the longer WWE waits, the higher risk Punk

02:04 will get injured or get himself fired.

02:07 One major star who saw the situation said that they'd better get there within six

02:10 months because of the injury risk or uncertainty with Punk.

02:14 But let's fantasy book the scenario where CM Punk doesn't self-destruct in WWE.

02:18 He'll feud with Rollins first, potentially main eventing night four of a buy one get

02:23 one free extravaganza, and then go onto a storyline with Roman Reigns.

02:27 That means, in the space of two years, Punk would fight, and possibly beat, all three

02:32 former members of the Shield for world titles.

02:36 Jon Moxley for the AEW World Championship in August 2022, Seth Rollins for his World

02:41 Consolation Weight Championship in early 2024, and then Roman Reigns after that.

02:47 It's a fitting series of major feuds for his return, as, according to Punk at least,

02:53 HE IS THEIR FATHER.

02:55 He says he created the Shield.

02:58 On arguably the most impactful wrestling shoot interview ever released, CM Punk's 2014

03:03 appearance on Colt Cabana's Art of Wrestling podcast, Punk claimed "the Shield was my

03:09 idea".

03:10 But, apparently, heading into Survivor Series 2012, head WWE writer Eric Pankowski told

03:15 Punk they wanted him to have a faction, pitching Big Show and Daniel Bryan as its members.

03:20 Punk didn't like the idea, but said he'd be willing to do a heel faction if it helped

03:24 elevate some younger talent in FCW, which was WWE's developmental promotion before

03:29 NXT.

03:30 The names he chose were Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Chris Hero, who was called Cassius

03:38 Ohno in WWE, whom Punk had known from his days in Ring of Honor.

03:42 WWE accepted on one condition.

03:45 They don't need a hero.

03:47 They wanted Roman Reigns.

03:49 They came to me and they were like, 'what about Roman?'

03:51 It wasn't my heel to die on.

03:53 I said, 'sure, because it made sense to me.'

03:56 Punk never originally wanted Reigns in the Shield.

03:59 Remember that for later.

04:00 Seth corroborated Punk's claim in a 2019 appearance on Edge and Christian's Pod of

04:04 Awesomeness.

04:05 Punk was looking to help turn the main roster around, so he wanted to get us in there, us

04:10 being myself and Ambrose and I think maybe Cassius Ohno/Chris Hero, but I'm not sure.

04:15 But the company loved Roman from the get-go, and for all the right reasons.

04:20 Moxley revealed the same at Starrcast 4 also in 2019, confirming the Shield were meant

04:25 to be a stable for Punk, and that they used to travel on his bus early on, where he would

04:29 give them advice until WWE split them up on the road.

04:33 Punk didn't only create the concept of the Shield, he directly mentored Rollins, Reigns

04:38 and Ambrose in their very beginning.

04:41 But like all good student-teacher narratives, the students would eventually seek to defeat

04:45 their master.

04:47 Because shortly after those 2019 interviews, we got our first public falling out between

04:51 Punk and a member of the Shield.

04:54 Late 2019 was a bad time for Seth Rollins.

04:57 He would settle arguments on Twitter by talking about how much money he had in his bank account

05:01 despite being a babyface on screen.

05:03 And in October that year, he beat The Fiend in one of the worst creative decisions ever

05:09 made, causing fans to turn against him.

05:11 Presumably trying to get excitement around him again in November ahead of that Punk WWE

05:16 return we don't talk about, hosting WWE Backstage on Fox, Seth started calling out

05:21 Punk for a fight on Twitter.

05:24 Punk chose to respond with a promo on WWE Backstage.

05:28 This isn't the show where you shoot your ankles.

05:30 Seth needs to stop tweeting and realise that sometimes it's better to be viewed as the

05:34 fool and shut your mouth, or open your mouth and remove all doubt.

05:39 You're not doing yourself any favours.

05:41 Go search for relevancy somewhere else, Seth.

05:44 Seth responded on Twitter with "Hell of a response" eyes looking up sarcastically

05:49 emoji.

05:50 Coward.

05:51 Rollins later said in an interview he was just trying to coax Punk back into the rig.

05:56 But then, in February 2023, Seth's comments to Nick Houseman suggested something had irreparably

06:03 changed between them.

06:30 A week later, Rollins explained to Fox Sports Radio why he now sees Punk as a cancer.

06:58 The month after Seth's cancer comments about Punk, another former Shield member came out

07:17 against him.

07:18 AEW's Summer of 2022 was a mess.

07:21 Punk had to vacate his AEW World title shortly after winning it from Hangman Page, so the

07:26 ever-dependable Jon Moxley stepped in as interim champ.

07:29 The storyline saw Mox squash Punk in his return match, which built to a longer rematch at

07:35 All Out, where Punk won back the title.

07:37 Dave Meltzer would later report that Punk agreed to those plans, but then AEW got a

07:42 legal letter saying he "wasn't down with it and wasn't doing it."

07:47 Punk only came in when Tony Khan put his foot down.

07:50 In response to Meltzer's report, Punk did the 2023 version of a shoot pipe bomb, posting

07:55 a long piece of text on his Instagram story - claiming he wasn't clear to wrestle yet,

08:00 that Meltzer and Chris Jericho were liars, that Mox said he wouldn't lose to him, and

08:05 "most shockingly, he'd never seen a Rocky movie" - which was what the Mox storyline

08:09 was based on.

08:10 Fightful reported this caused "significant heat" between Moxley and Punk backstage,

08:15 and if AEW had to choose between them, they'd go for Mox.

08:19 But why believe Fightful when Mox himself went on his real-life wife Renee Paquette's

08:23 podcast to shoot on Punk's social media post?

08:27 It's f***ing annoying.

08:28 Just because somebody said some stupid s*** on social media, that's not news.

08:32 But it is, and it's become a thing.

08:34 I don't want to get dragged into this dumb s***.

08:37 I could f***ing unload on a lot of f***ing people right now.

08:40 When I start getting dragged into this s***, it tempts me to do that.

08:43 But I'm not going to f***ing sink to that level.

08:45 I don't want any negative bulls***.

08:48 I will say this, and I hate to say it because I don't think I've ever said anything

08:52 even remotely negative about AEW, but I will say this.

08:56 As an observer, I spent 8 years on the indies, a couple of years in WWE developmental, 8

09:02 years in WWE.

09:03 I have never seen so much bulls*** drama in one place in my entire f***ing life.

09:11 It's important to note how rare it is for Moxley to say something publicly like this.

09:16 That's how much Punk's behaviour must've gone into him at the time.

09:20 But maybe there's also a long-gestating underlying cause to Seth and Moxley's heat

09:25 with Punk.

09:26 Maybe it's that Punk inadvertently upset their Big Dog Shield team mate many, many

09:31 years ago.

09:33 And here we get to it.

09:34 The potential rosebud in the CM Punk/Shield drama.

09:37 The throwaway line that might've accidentally caused a decade of hate.

09:42 Why Roman Reigns doesn't like CM Punk.

09:46 When it was first being reported by House of Wrestling that Punk might return to WWE,

09:50 Fightful reported "There is a very big elephant in the room in that both Seth Rollins and

09:55 Roman Reigns have verbalized in the past that they aren't fond of Punk.

10:00 Most people on both sides believe there would need to be fences mended there in order to

10:04 make a successful return happen."

10:06 Roman had shot on Punk two years earlier, in 2021, during an interview with Complex,

10:11 when he was asked about a Punk return.

10:12 "On a personal level, it doesn't do anything for me.

10:15 That's not going to elevate me at all.

10:17 He's older now.

10:18 I haven't really seen a full match.

10:20 I've seen a clip or two.

10:22 And to me, a step or two has been lost.

10:24 Then also, he got his whooped in the UFC.

10:26 I don't think anybody really believes someone 200 pounds soaking wet with no explosive bone

10:31 in their body could ever really do anything to me."

10:35 Sure, maybe just a kayfabe badass response from Roman in character.

10:38 Or maybe it masks a deeper-held dislike of Punk, which once again can be traced back

10:43 to the shoot interview that is still having ripple effects today - the 2014 Art of Wrestling

10:49 Podcast.

10:51 Despite starting 2014 incredibly hot, equaling the Royal Rumble's elimination record - a

10:56 match most fans wanted him to win - the rest of the year went downhill for Roman Reigns.

11:01 Seth turned on him in June, breaking up the Shield.

11:04 Reigns was pushed hard into the main event, which started to turn fans against him.

11:08 And then he required surgery in September, taking him out for the rest of the year.

11:13 By the January 2015 Rumble, which he won, he was getting booed heavily.

11:18 And it might have been somewhat fuelled by a story Punk told on the Art of Wrestling

11:22 Podcast just two months beforehand.

11:25 Punk spoke about his 3-on-1 handicap match against the Shield at TLC 2013, which Punk

11:30 won.

11:31 He started planning out the match, but "every two minutes, someone new was coming up to

11:35 me.

11:36 'Hey, you gotta make Roman look really strong.'

11:38 So I got sick of Michael Hayes and everybody else coming up to me, people who aren't

11:43 even involved in the match, going, 'Hey, you're making him look really strong, right?'

11:47 And I finally said, 'You know what?

11:49 You know what would make them look really strong?

11:51 If they beat me.

11:53 Because three guys can't beat one guy.

11:55 That's f***ing dumb.

11:56 But no, no, Vince wants you to go over.

11:58 Okay.

11:59 But, but, you gotta make him look-Goddammit, I f***ing get it.

12:02 I know how to do the job.

12:03 Shut the f*** up."

12:04 Rather tragically, Punk wasn't criticising the Shield or Roman.

12:08 He was criticising an objectively terrible creative decision, which was a major gripe

12:13 with WWE at the time.

12:14 But those comments, along with Punk revealing he originally wanted Chris Hero in the Shield,

12:19 not Reigns, were made at the exact same time fans were starting to turn on Roman.

12:24 Make Roman look strong confirmed what many people were feeling - that management were

12:29 pushing Reigns down fans' throats.

12:32 And it became an unofficial catchphrase for the anti-Roman movement.

12:36 Perhaps in Reigns' mind, Punk indirectly fuelled the next five years of crowds booing

12:41 him.

12:42 But, as they say, this is the pro wrestling business, not the pro wrestling friendship.

12:47 Many, many wrestlers who hate each other have still gone on to work matches, probably many

12:52 more than we'll ever know.

12:53 They're professionals.

12:54 They do a job very well to make money.

12:57 I'm sure everyone's got people they don't get along with at work, but they still do

13:01 the job.

13:02 Pro wrestling, despite all its pyro and ballyhoo, is the same.

13:07 So this heat won't stop Punk and the Shield working together.

13:10 Punk already worked a programme in AEW with Mox, and he'll work his first WWE feud with

13:15 Seth Rollins.

13:16 They don't have to like each other to work together.

13:19 And, as Roman himself also said in that 2021 interview with Complex, "If our audience

13:24 wanted to see me vs Punk and they were clamouring for it, couldn't shut up about it, and all

13:29 the stars aligned, as a businessman and as a performer who was trying to seek out the

13:34 very best for the audience and try to captivate, I wouldn't say no."

13:38 What do you think of the Shield and CM Punk?

13:40 Let me know in the comments.

13:41 And go watch me list every time CM Punk shot on WWE before he returned there.

13:46 Turns out, really recently.

13:48 He was doing it just last year, over on partsFUN though.

13:51 (upbeat music)

Backstage CM Punk & Roman Reigns WWE HEAT! | WrestleTalk

Category

Transcript

Recommended