Sawal Yeh Hai | Maria Memon | ARY News | 25th November 2023
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Dr Farooq Sattar MQM-P
- Majid Nizami (Analyst)
- Mossarat Qadeem (FAFEN Chairperson)
"It is our job to expose them," MQM leader Farooq Sattar made important revelations
How transparent are intra-party elections in political parties?
Ittehad Elections se pehle hoga yah baad mai??? Janiye MQM leader Farooq Sattar se
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Dr Farooq Sattar MQM-P
- Majid Nizami (Analyst)
- Mossarat Qadeem (FAFEN Chairperson)
"It is our job to expose them," MQM leader Farooq Sattar made important revelations
How transparent are intra-party elections in political parties?
Ittehad Elections se pehle hoga yah baad mai??? Janiye MQM leader Farooq Sattar se
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01:08 the alliance's government, but will they form an alliance before the election to achieve that?
01:14 Or, in the second phase, after winning their own elections, the person who will be the center of the election,
01:19 that person will be chosen and the national, alliance, allied government that will be formed,
01:24 everyone will take part in that. Now, this is the next question.
01:27 Before this, we saw that there are meetings between the MQM and PMLN and there are other understandings as well.
01:32 They believe that the greater national interest that will be required for an alliance,
01:36 in that, the alliance of the MQM and PMLN is more likely.
01:41 Remember that the MQM has already formed an alliance with almost all political parties.
01:44 The alliance with People's Party in the past, they had to pay a heavy price to their voters and their constituency.
01:52 And this was not liked by the core voter of the MQM, who follows their ideology in the core constituency.
01:58 But anyway, will they have to pay the political price in the upcoming elections as well or not?
02:02 This is a separate question.
02:03 So, if the alliance of the PMLN and MQM is formed, as indicated by Saad Rafiq,
02:10 then who will this be against? Because People's Party is the biggest challenger in Sindh.
02:13 So, the clear statement in this regard, of Bashir Mehman, who is related to PMLN,
02:19 and of PMLN camp, is that this will be against People's Party.
02:22 Yes, it has been decided. We will talk about this.
02:24 Before the program, we have Dr. Farooq Sattar, Senior Deputy Convener, Mutahidak Kaum-e-Movement,
02:28 is present in Pakistan. Thank you very much, Dr. Sattar.
02:30 We have heard your statements, you have met, there was a press conference,
02:34 and apart from that, the contacts with Nawaz Sharif, keeping all these things in view,
02:39 what is the best strategy till now?
02:41 Will the alliance be formed before the elections or after the elections,
02:45 after the political weight of the person, will the alliance be formed?
02:50 Or will there be seat adjustment first?
02:55 The situation with Mariam Mehman was such that usually, the alliance is formed after the elections.
03:03 There is a division of ministries, who will have the power,
03:08 then along with that, the objectives, benefits, people understand,
03:13 and then the big parties, they make alliances with the small parties,
03:18 and after that, they don't ask in a beautiful way, that how are you?
03:25 So I think, we are not talking about government unity, nor about power, nor about the ministries.
03:30 For 50 years, the people of Pakistan were put behind a truck,
03:36 a strong center, a strong Pakistan.
03:40 After 50 years, the small parties, the nationalist parties were heard,
03:45 and it was said that a strong province, a strong Pakistan is guaranteed.
03:49 Now it has been 15 years, and still, the people are in the same condition,
03:54 inflation, unemployment, poverty, then along with water, where did the electricity load shedding go?
04:00 Now the gas load shedding has made people's lives miserable.
04:04 So now after all this situation, the real problem,
04:07 which is not established by a participatory democracy and a participatory democracy in the whole world,
04:13 but on the municipal, district, and city level,
04:17 power, authority, and the means of transportation,
04:19 so now the buzzword is local autonomy.
04:23 Local autonomy, provincial autonomy has become unmanageable.
04:27 They have taken control of the center and the municipalities.
04:30 So what we are talking about, the big parties are understanding this now.
04:35 They also have no other option,
04:38 that if Lahore, the capital of Punjab, if PMLN wins,
04:43 the minister sits in the center, but Lahore, Multan, Bahalpur, Rahulpindi,
04:49 Sir, if you are understanding,
04:50 Sir, if you are understanding that PMLN has understood that local governments are the future,
04:57 then I disagree with you, sir.
04:59 They are strong in Punjab, they will not give anyone a share in power,
05:02 nor are they interested in having local body elections,
05:04 nor are they interested in Punjab's power transfer.
05:08 In Sindh, they do not have that much power,
05:10 but here, the narrative suits them, and that is why they are standing with you.
05:14 So this is a very political decision.
05:16 If you think that they have understood your local body and local leadership ideology,
05:21 then it is not like that, they have not understood it in Punjab.
05:23 They have understood it in Sindh, that they have to solve their own problems.
05:25 Sir, I will come back to my question,
05:27 that seat adjustment will be done before the first election,
05:30 has this been decided, principally?
05:33 Look, seat adjustment is a very ordinary part of this will and the Mafia movement,
05:40 and this will and this action,
05:43 we have to make a national agenda, a national consensus,
05:50 and if the first point of local autonomy is at the top of the list,
05:58 and along with that, everyone has agreed to bring out the national character of Karachi,
06:04 and the committee that has been formed between PMLN and MKM,
06:08 and the local level and the loyal and central level,
06:12 the meetings of which will start very soon,
06:14 and before the election, we are preparing a national consensus agenda,
06:18 and inviting the other political parties.
06:21 Actually, you and many anchors and channels are focusing on election,
06:25 seat adjustment or some election alliance.
06:29 This is not the case at all.
06:30 There will be a lot of scope for seat adjustment.
06:32 If there is more than one or two seats,
06:36 but look beyond that, look ahead,
06:39 there is no other way.
06:41 Pakistan has to be brought out of the current political and economic turmoil.
06:45 You are absolutely right, Mr. Farooq.
06:46 I agree with your point.
06:49 I also agree with the right to give power to the lowest level.
06:55 Obviously, we will go step by step.
06:57 First, the election will come, and then everything will happen.
07:00 In the election, there is a close relationship between you and PMLN,
07:02 there is a common agenda, there is a scope for seat adjustment.
07:05 You will see that when you come closer.
07:06 But PMLN has been in alliance with you in the past,
07:10 you had concerns about Karachi earlier,
07:13 and now, in the context of budgeting,
07:15 of giving you the authority,
07:18 of Karachi's deprivation.
07:20 So, how do you think they will be able to work now?
07:26 Look, Maria Memon,
07:28 such concerns,
07:29 when in 2010-2011,
07:32 the agenda of the self-governing province was the 27-member
07:37 collective animal committee on national perspective.
07:42 It sat for a year and a half,
07:44 and then everyone agreed on a constitutional amendment.
07:47 So, even then, there were doubts and doubts
07:52 that the big parties will not do it.
07:54 But the big parties were forced by the time and circumstances,
07:59 that there is no other way.
08:01 And now, what we are saying,
08:02 look, we are visionary.
08:04 Our exposure is in the rest of the political venues of Pakistan,
08:08 or Karachi is an international city.
08:10 Maybe the rest of the cities are not so international.
08:13 People know Karachi all over the world.
08:17 Karachi's business community,
08:19 investors, entrepreneurs,
08:21 they are known all over the world.
08:23 Look, there is one-party rule in China,
08:26 and at the central level.
08:28 But their municipal institutions are as self-sufficient
08:34 and influential as America, Europe, Japan and Australia.
08:39 If this system can come in China,
08:41 then if it does not come in Pakistan,
08:44 then tell me, is there any other way?
08:46 So, what I am saying is, look,
08:48 if we talk immediately about the election,
08:51 because the election is coming,
08:53 that is an important aspect in this entire conversation,
08:55 that how will you implement this agenda?
08:57 So, this will be a people's party versus everyone else in Sindh?
09:00 Look, I am raising my collar because
09:05 we will at least get some credit,
09:08 that for the first time,
09:09 we are talking about a local government
09:12 in a national debate.
09:15 And for the first time,
09:17 the big leaders of any big party are talking about this.
09:22 When their other leaders come to Karachi,
09:24 then we do not need to say anything.
09:27 We are committing what is in our hearts to the people.
09:32 People are fed up with politics.
09:34 Now, if they are not given the statements
09:37 that the other countries followed 100 years ago,
09:43 then this system will be invalid.
09:44 If we still want to stay 100 years behind the world,
09:48 then it is my job to expose them.
09:50 Make clips of their videos.
09:52 And when they do not do it,
09:54 then we will go to Dubai.
09:56 We will go to Dubai.
09:58 People's party is also talking about the local government
10:01 in the last election,
10:03 in the Meher election,
10:05 how is their statement different from yours?
10:08 How is the People's party different from you
10:10 on the basis of this statement,
10:12 when they are actively participating in these elections
10:16 for these rights,
10:18 are also standing candidates,
10:20 and are taking the local elections seriously.
10:22 What is the difference?
10:24 The thing is that if the mayor of a municipality
10:29 has the power,
10:31 then he is given some pocket money
10:33 on his own merit.
10:35 And if the mayor is a step-son,
10:37 then he is treated worse than a step-son.
10:41 So, there is a difference in attitude.
10:44 The thing is that if I have control over Karachi,
10:46 then the resources of the province
10:48 that are available from the central government,
10:50 motor vehicle tax, property tax,
10:52 building control,
10:54 master plan,
10:56 sewerage, water, sanitation,
10:58 sales tax on utilities,
11:00 all these are the tax of the municipality.
11:02 It should be their tax.
11:04 If the media,
11:06 media houses,
11:08 the people's party,
11:10 will not come to this agenda
11:12 till the last moment.
11:14 Because they have been ruling
11:16 since 15 years,
11:18 they have ruled in the name of
11:20 the self-determination province.
11:22 They have made a deal of the blood
11:24 of respected Benazir Bhutto
11:26 and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
11:28 And in the name of the worst,
11:30 most corrupt self-determination province.
11:32 So, Farooq sahib,
11:34 my original question was that
11:36 the Nawab Shah was a slave.
11:38 He made a colony on Karachi,
11:40 made people slaves,
11:42 and on the basis of 5% vote,
11:44 he brought the 5% vote.
11:46 So, this is the unity of the people's party
11:48 versus everyone else.
11:50 Is it? You are PMLN,
11:52 you will talk to GADA,
11:54 Jamaat-e-Islami.
11:56 It is not like that.
11:58 It is the choice of the people's party.
12:00 If they want to stay away from unity,
12:02 it is their wish.
12:04 But if they admit that yes,
12:06 this is the key to success.
12:08 If Karachi will run, Pakistan will run.
12:10 If Karachi runs,
12:12 Sindh runs.
12:14 In the last 15 years,
12:16 the people's party
12:18 has not given a drop of water to Karachi.
12:20 Larkana Nawab Shah,
12:22 leave him alone.
12:24 He is only told that
12:26 only one slogan has to be raised,
12:28 and that is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Mutarma Shaheed.
12:30 But now people are leaving this city.
12:32 Actually,
12:34 the ground is coming out of their feet,
12:36 the hands are flying like parrots,
12:38 the nights are getting dark,
12:40 and the peace of the heart is gone.
12:42 We have to admit that
12:44 they have been oppressing for 15 years.
12:46 Now this is the agenda.
12:48 We will also come.
12:50 Why will they join this unity?
12:52 How will there be a collective election?
12:54 Who will fight against each other?
12:56 There is a lot of chaos.
12:58 Look,
13:00 all the parties will fight against each other.
13:02 Where has this been decided
13:04 that if PMLN is forced
13:06 to sit on one seat,
13:08 even if there is an adjustment,
13:10 we will not be in front of the other seats.
13:12 Everyone will fight for the elections.
13:14 It is not that everyone will fight
13:16 against the People's Party.
13:18 Yes, in the inner city,
13:20 if our vote,
13:22 the vote of JUI,
13:24 and the vote of GDA
13:26 is together,
13:28 then the value of that
13:30 will go a little further
13:32 than the vote of the People's Party.
13:34 This is like taking a chance this time.
13:36 The graph of the People's Party
13:38 is going down.
13:40 We are providing alternative leadership.
13:42 Now we will not hit them on our ground,
13:44 but on their ground.
13:46 Now look,
13:48 they have fled from here and gone to Dubai.
13:50 God willing, after the elections,
13:52 we will send them further than Dubai.
13:54 Okay, Mr. Farooq,
13:56 you have openly said that the People's Party
13:58 is your opponent,
14:00 a political challenger.
14:02 We have understood the limits of unity.
14:04 Now, the discussion
14:06 is about the establishment
14:08 of a national government.
14:10 We have seen that Mr. Zardari
14:12 has also spoken about the establishment
14:14 of a national government.
14:16 Mr. Fazlur Rehman also talks about
14:18 the establishment of a national government.
14:20 Today, Mr. Raja Raiyaz gave an interview.
14:22 Mr. Muhammad Ali Durrani.
14:24 So, after the elections,
14:26 no one will have a majority.
14:28 It will be an alliance government,
14:30 a national government.
14:32 What is your political guess?
14:34 If the decision will be delayed,
14:36 deferred,
14:38 then Pakistan will be in a worse
14:40 and worse state than it is now.
14:42 If we talk about a national government,
14:44 then at least make a national agenda.
14:46 At least make a national consensus.
14:48 We have to take power in the national government.
14:50 We have to take the ministries of our own.
14:52 We had made a small national government
14:54 in the last few months,
14:56 which was only 1.5 years.
14:58 So, make a national government.
15:00 Brother,
15:02 until we tell the people,
15:04 the problems,
15:06 where the world is today,
15:08 everyone knows.
15:10 Everyone knows what the world is today.
15:12 Everyone knows what is where.
15:14 But the problem in Pakistan is
15:16 how the world is where
15:18 and what it is today.
15:20 They don't want to take the pain
15:22 and the pain of reforms
15:24 by giving the answer of how.
15:26 Without taking it,
15:28 this bitter pill will be for reforms.
15:30 Then, Mr. Farooq,
15:32 we need a clear majority for this.
15:34 We need a clear majority
15:36 for the upcoming elections.
15:38 I don't see a clear majority
15:40 for any political party,
15:42 as per Mr. Zardari and others.
15:44 If you don't see it,
15:46 then it's not good to sit first.
15:48 So that the people who are
15:50 upset and annoyed
15:52 with the political parties,
15:54 the political oppressors,
15:56 their attitudes,
15:58 will get a clear majority.
16:00 This time, let's be serious.
16:02 Now, let's get people to vote
16:04 and then come back
16:06 after five years.
16:08 I don't think this will work.
16:10 Now, this is an old habit.
16:12 Now, we need to give a genuine agenda
16:14 and statements,
16:16 which we have done for the last five years.
16:18 Thank you very much,
16:20 Dr. Farooq Sattar.
16:22 He was saying about the National Government
16:24 that if this is the wall of the nation,
16:26 then we should talk about the unity.
16:28 We will come back after the break.
16:30 The ultimatum has been given to
16:32 the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
16:34 to hold the intra-party elections
16:36 within 20 days,
16:38 otherwise, they will have a sign of a
16:40 victory or not.
16:42 We will come back after the break
16:44 and talk about the election culture
16:46 and the way of elections.
16:48 We will come back after the break.
16:50 Welcome back.
16:52 The election commission of Pakistan
16:54 has given instructions to hold
16:56 intra-party elections within 20 days.
16:58 The decision has been made
17:00 that if this does not happen,
17:02 then there is a warning that
17:04 the flag of the election of Pakistan
17:06 can be taken back.
17:08 What has been said in this
17:10 decision?
17:12 The key point is that
17:14 according to the party constitution
17:16 of 2017,
17:18 the party officials will be elected
17:20 for four years.
17:22 The period of four years ended on 13 June 2021.
17:24 The PTI was given one year
17:26 due to the corona virus in 2019.
17:28 On 24 May 2021,
17:30 the election commission
17:32 sent a notice to remind
17:34 the people of intra-party elections.
17:36 Tehreek-e-Insaf has failed
17:38 to hold transparent intra-party elections.
17:40 According to the show-cause notice issued,
17:42 it has been said that
17:44 Tehreek-e-Insaf has not held
17:46 intra-party elections
17:48 according to the party constitution of 2022.
17:50 The PTI took a stand
17:52 on the objections of the election commission
17:54 that in June 2022,
17:56 the intra-party elections were held
17:58 according to the party constitution of 2019.
18:00 After the intra-party elections,
18:02 the party constitution of 2022
18:04 was re-adopted.
18:06 The party's lawyer,
18:08 Barrister Gauhar,
18:10 took the stand that the party constitution
18:12 has been re-adopted
18:14 and a new certificate has been
18:16 submitted to the election commission.
18:18 The bench, which is one of the four members
18:20 of the election commission,
18:22 did not agree with the certificate
18:24 and the PTI elections
18:26 have been called off.
18:28 The results have been said
18:30 to be unacceptable.
18:32 The situation is that
18:34 Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has 20 days
18:36 to hold transparent elections.
18:38 Some people are under arrest,
18:40 the party chairman is in jail,
18:42 and no organization structure
18:44 is visible.
18:46 This is why Mr. Hamid Khan
18:48 said that it is almost impossible
18:50 to hold elections on such short notice.
18:52 What did the lawyer of Tehreek-e-Insaf say?
18:54 The difficulty is that
18:56 almost all of our party leadership
18:58 is in jail.
19:00 Some party leadership
19:02 is forced to go underground.
19:04 Our workers,
19:06 who are part of our national council
19:08 in the intraparty elections,
19:10 are also in jail
19:12 or underground.
19:14 It is very difficult
19:16 to hold intraparty elections
19:18 in these conditions.
19:20 It is very difficult.
19:22 It makes sense that
19:26 technically it is difficult
19:28 and it is not visible.
19:30 Will Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
19:32 lose the chance to hold elections?
19:34 This is a very important question.
19:36 But the problem in Pakistan
19:38 is that the election process
19:40 in all political parties
19:42 is extremely shady and
19:44 there is no competition.
19:46 If we quickly look at the situation
19:48 of the elections in the political parties
19:50 and the way they are organized,
19:52 then we can start with the
19:54 intraparty elections of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
19:56 In June 2022,
19:58 Chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf
20:00 Imran Khan
20:02 was elected as the chairman of PTI
20:04 without any competition.
20:06 It would be better
20:08 if the candidate was not
20:10 voted but there should be a pretense
20:12 that there is a transparent
20:14 democratic way of holding elections.
20:16 In the last election,
20:18 Shah Mehmood Qureshi
20:20 was also elected as the vice chairman
20:22 of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
20:24 So there is no candidate in front
20:26 and this is the situation
20:28 of other parties as well.
20:30 On June 16, 2023,
20:32 Nawaz Sharif was appointed
20:34 as the party's constitutional leader.
20:36 The party's constitutional leaders
20:38 are the ones who are elected
20:40 in the remaining positions.
20:42 But they are also elected without competition.
20:44 Shah Mehmood Qureshi was also
20:46 elected as the president of Noon League
20:48 without any competition.
20:50 There was no candidate in front
20:52 and there was no attempt to give
20:54 any impression of democracy.
20:56 This is not done in the political
20:58 parties of Pakistan.
21:00 Marim Nawaz Sharif was also
21:02 elected as the chief organizer
21:04 of Noon League without any competition.
21:06 Are these people not popular
21:08 in their party? Of course they are.
21:10 If there was a candidate in front of them,
21:12 they would have been elected.
21:14 But still, there is no candidate
21:16 in front of them.
21:18 If we look at the intro party elections
21:20 of People's Party,
21:22 Wilawal Bhutto was elected
21:24 as the chairman of People's Party
21:26 without any competition.
21:28 The trend is the same.
21:30 There will be no candidate in front
21:32 and the election will be without any competition.
21:34 The second party, which is led by
21:36 Asif Aziz Zardari, is elected
21:38 in January 2021.
21:40 The president has been elected
21:42 without any competition.
21:44 This is the situation of democracy
21:46 in the big parties of Pakistan.
21:48 There is one party,
21:50 which is different from others.
21:52 The culture of the intro party elections
21:54 of Jamaat-e-Islami is the strongest.
21:56 In the last 20 years,
21:58 the same leadership,
22:00 same electors and party
22:02 are running in the hands of the same people.
22:04 Jamaat-e-Islami is the only political
22:06 party, which has had three Ameers
22:08 in the last 20 years.
22:10 Overall, we have seen Qazi Hussain Ahmed,
22:12 Saeed Munawar Hassan,
22:14 Silaj-ul-Haq, and now
22:16 they have been elected again.
22:18 They have become Ameers for 5 years.
22:20 So, there is a healthy political culture
22:22 of the intro party elections in Jamaat-e-Islami.
22:24 Why is this?
22:26 Can this situation change?
22:28 It cannot.
22:30 We will look at the backdrop
22:32 and its futuristic prospects.
22:34 We have Majid Nizami,
22:36 who has a deep insight
22:38 into the constitutional
22:40 and constitutional politics of Pakistan.
22:42 He is joining us for the first time.
22:44 Thank you very much for joining us.
22:46 We also have Musharrat Kadeem,
22:48 the chairman of Fafn.
22:50 Musharrat, if I may start with you,
22:52 the Pakistan Party will have to
22:54 hold the elections in 20 days.
22:56 Is this technically possible?
22:58 Because,
23:00 they have declared a need for it.
23:02 But, is it technically,
23:04 or politically possible
23:06 to hold the elections in 20 days?
23:08 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
23:14 I think that
23:16 the way the political parties
23:18 in Pakistan
23:20 do not hold the elections,
23:22 but nominations,
23:24 then it is possible.
23:26 Because, you have
23:28 presented a summary
23:30 that our political parties
23:32 do not hold the elections.
23:34 If the same procedure
23:36 is adopted by the party
23:38 that it nominates
23:40 and completes the nomination process
23:42 within 20 days,
23:44 then I don't think
23:46 that they will face any difficulty.
23:48 But, I just want to say
23:50 that I think
23:52 that
23:54 a very fair method
23:56 should be adopted.
23:58 Otherwise,
24:00 the method that you have
24:02 mentioned,
24:04 that a hereditary politics
24:06 does not come into competition.
24:08 You have given an example
24:10 of the Jamaat-e-Islami.
24:12 But, if you closely
24:14 examine the Jamaat-e-Islami,
24:16 then you will see that
24:18 the situation is almost
24:20 the same,
24:22 but they have to hold
24:24 the elections.
24:26 You have said that
24:28 if there is a second candidate
24:30 with him, then no one will vote for him.
24:32 They will vote for him.
24:34 So, I think that
24:36 we should think about
24:38 the nomination process
24:40 and not the election process.
24:42 I will bring this question
24:44 to you, Majid.
24:46 I have read the structure
24:48 and told you that
24:50 if there is a candidate
24:52 standing in front of Nawaz Sharif
24:54 or Shabaz Sharif or Imran Khan,
24:56 then where will the voter's
24:58 vote be?
25:00 But, even in the election process,
25:02 no candidate is nominated.
25:04 Is this right?
25:06 Should this be changed?
25:08 Or, will it not make a difference?
25:10 Or, are such Jamaats running
25:12 for 30-35 years?
25:14 Why should they be tortured?
25:16 Last time, when PTI tortured them,
25:18 they were all in the party.
25:20 Thank you very much.
25:22 I think there are two aspects to this.
25:24 First, there are 175 Jamaats
25:26 registered with the Election Commission.
25:28 All of them are
25:30 subject to the paper process.
25:32 But, PTI
25:34 was negligent
25:36 in this matter.
25:38 This should not have happened.
25:40 They are facing problems.
25:42 They have added to their problems.
25:44 They should have
25:46 completed their paper process.
25:48 The second aspect is
25:50 that
25:52 should this happen or not?
25:54 I think
25:56 this should not happen.
25:58 In the 90s,
26:00 political Jamaats were
26:02 interested in this.
26:04 They were hopeful
26:06 in the intra-party elections.
26:08 But, in the last 20-25 years,
26:10 they have seen that
26:12 they are not interested in
26:14 elections.
26:16 They are not interested in
26:18 elections.
26:20 The leader of the party
26:22 has not thought of
26:24 fighting against them.
26:26 I think that if political Jamaats
26:28 bring transparency in the
26:30 elections,
26:32 it will increase their credibility.
26:34 If they do this,
26:36 it will increase the trust
26:38 and acceptance
26:40 of the educated middle class
26:42 of Pakistan.
26:44 But, the technical points
26:46 that the Election Commission
26:48 has given,
26:50 I think that the way
26:52 the elections are conducted
26:54 in Pakistan, it is possible
26:56 that they will be able to
26:58 conduct the elections.
27:00 What is your opinion about
27:02 this?
27:04 Will it be possible
27:06 to conduct the elections
27:08 in 20 days?
27:10 According to the Election Commission,
27:12 there is an added variable.
27:16 I think that it is possible.
27:18 We have two such examples
27:20 in the recent past.
27:22 In 2017, the same thing happened
27:24 with Muslim League Noon.
27:26 The share was stopped by the Election Commission.
27:28 There was a problem
27:30 with the party elections.
27:32 After that, Muslim League Noon
27:34 conducted its party elections.
27:36 Everyone was elected without any competition.
27:38 But, the process was completed.
27:40 Along with this, there were
27:42 by-elections in Peshawar.
27:44 The votes were not being allotted.
27:46 But, when the paper work was completed,
27:48 it was done.
27:50 The second example is that
27:52 when Javed Hashmi was in jail
27:54 during the Pervez Musharraf era,
27:56 and he was accused of rebellion,
27:58 the party elected him as the
28:00 senior vice president.
28:02 So, the fact that a leader is in jail
28:04 or there are government restrictions,
28:06 I think that the paper work of the Election Commission
28:08 is possible in all these matters.
28:10 There is nothing big in this.
28:12 The only thing is that
28:14 the movement of justice
28:16 should be checked
28:18 to ensure that there is no
28:20 legal flaw or defect.
28:22 But, if they want to do it
28:24 carefully, they can do it.
28:26 Musharraf Sahiba,
28:28 the question is that
28:30 the election phase may pass.
28:32 But, the culture of parties
28:34 which we think should change,
28:36 is not getting the chance.
28:38 Neither the intraparty
28:40 or democratic
28:42 approach is being used.
28:44 Do you think that
28:46 this culture will remain
28:48 in the present situation?
28:50 Or, are there any signs of change?
28:52 Look,
28:54 one thing is that
28:56 our political culture
28:58 has been
29:00 somehow accepted
29:02 that an elite
29:04 component
29:06 should be
29:08 in the party.
29:10 We have accepted that
29:12 in our political culture.
29:14 We are following that political culture.
29:16 When you have said
29:18 that we should challenge this,
29:20 I remembered that
29:22 once, in a party,
29:24 two years ago,
29:26 the leadership was challenged
29:28 that someone stood against them.
29:30 I think that he was shown
29:32 the door that
29:34 there is no space
29:36 for you in the party.
29:38 This has happened in all parties.
29:40 In PMLN, People's Party,
29:42 Tariq Insaaf.
29:44 This is the culture of all parties.
29:46 This is exactly what has happened.
29:48 We are a democratic party
29:50 of Pakistan
29:52 and we are working for democracy.
29:54 First, we have to
29:56 create democracy within us.
29:58 Democracy and
30:00 the elections
30:02 in political parties
30:04 basically
30:06 strengthen
30:08 your institutional strength.
30:10 It strengthens
30:12 your democratic practices.
30:14 When you do not
30:16 give space to people
30:18 within your party,
30:20 so that your lowest level
30:22 worker,
30:24 your potential leader
30:26 will not come forward.
30:28 You will not give space to him.
30:30 Then what is democracy?
30:32 This is what we are discussing.
30:34 We will give space to democracy
30:36 when we have space
30:38 with the leadership.
30:40 The problem is that they are
30:42 in survivalist mode.
30:44 If there is a political revolution,
30:46 then maybe elections
30:48 will be considered.
30:50 We should not consider it.
30:52 This is the tradition
30:54 of being elected without a competition.
30:56 This is the future.
30:58 There is no
31:00 change in this.
31:02 But,
31:04 the big issue that
31:06 Tehreek-e-Insaf is facing
31:08 is that is it possible
31:10 to get the electoral vote from them?
31:12 I think
31:14 there will not be any difference.
31:16 Today, Mian Nawaz Sharif
31:18 talked about 1993.
31:20 In 1993,
31:22 the cycle of IJI
31:24 was given to another Muslim League.
31:26 Muslim League Nawaz
31:28 had to fight for the lion's vote.
31:30 The election results were that
31:32 those who fought for the cycle
31:34 got 6 seats.
31:36 Those who fought for the new vote
31:38 got 73 seats.
31:40 I think that if Tehreek-e-Insaf
31:42 is threatened that
31:44 they will take the vote,
31:46 it will not have any effect.
31:48 Because, in the age of social media
31:50 and media awareness,
31:52 it will not be difficult to tell
31:54 which party is the electoral vote.
31:56 We will go to the break.
31:58 When we come back,
32:00 we will talk about the smog in Lahore.
32:02 But, the government says that
32:04 it will take 15 years to fight it.
32:06 We will talk about it in the break.
32:08 Welcome back.
32:14 Because of the smog,
32:16 the life of people in Badastur, Lahore
32:18 is in a bad state.
32:20 It is not a matter of today.
32:22 It has been happening
32:24 since the last 20 years.
32:26 But, the policy that was needed
32:28 at the state level,
32:30 was not taken.
32:32 Now, we are moving towards
32:34 small fire fighting tactics.
32:36 For example, schools are closed
32:38 for a few days.
32:40 Some public places are closed.
32:42 This is not a long term solution.
32:44 How many times will you imprison children?
32:46 How many times will you close schools?
32:48 How many times will you stop people's movement
32:50 in the city?
32:52 You will be shocked.
32:54 Lahore and Karachi
32:56 are the two most polluted cities
32:58 in the world.
33:00 Karachi is not that polluted.
33:02 Delhi, Dhaka, Kolkata, Lahore,
33:04 Karachi, South Asia
33:06 are facing a climate crisis.
33:08 Along with global warming,
33:10 we are also facing
33:12 a lot of pollution.
33:14 What are the priorities?
33:16 Politically,
33:18 how are we going to
33:20 fight this?
33:22 What are the policies of our government?
33:24 What should they do?
33:26 Amir Mir says that it will take 15 years.
33:28 We cannot do anything about it overnight.
33:30 Everything is being done.
33:32 In China, there was a smoke issue.
33:34 It took 15 years.
33:36 We are calling the experts.
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