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#PMLN #PPP #Sindh #MQMPakistan #FarooqSattar #Elections #IntraPartyElections #SawalYehHai   (Current Affairs)  Host: - Maria Memon  Guests: - Dr Farooq Sattar MQM-P - Majid Nizami (Analyst) - Mossarat Qadeem (FAFEN Chairperson)  "It is our job to expose them," MQM leader Farooq Sattar made important revelations  How transparent are intra-party elections in political parties?  Ittehad Elections se pehle hoga yah baad mai??? Janiye MQM leader Farooq Sattar se  Follow the ARY News channel on WhatsApp: https://bit.ly/46e5HzY  Subscribe to our channel and press the bell icon for latest news updates: http://bit.ly/3e0SwKP  ARY News is a leading Pakistani news channel that promises to bring you factual and timely international stories and stories about Pakistan, sports, entertainment, and business, amid others.

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01:08 the alliance's government, but will they form an alliance before the election to achieve that?

01:14 Or, in the second phase, after winning their own elections, the person who will be the center of the election,

01:19 that person will be chosen and the national, alliance, allied government that will be formed,

01:24 everyone will take part in that. Now, this is the next question.

01:27 Before this, we saw that there are meetings between the MQM and PMLN and there are other understandings as well.

01:32 They believe that the greater national interest that will be required for an alliance,

01:36 in that, the alliance of the MQM and PMLN is more likely.

01:41 Remember that the MQM has already formed an alliance with almost all political parties.

01:44 The alliance with People's Party in the past, they had to pay a heavy price to their voters and their constituency.

01:52 And this was not liked by the core voter of the MQM, who follows their ideology in the core constituency.

01:58 But anyway, will they have to pay the political price in the upcoming elections as well or not?

02:02 This is a separate question.

02:03 So, if the alliance of the PMLN and MQM is formed, as indicated by Saad Rafiq,

02:10 then who will this be against? Because People's Party is the biggest challenger in Sindh.

02:13 So, the clear statement in this regard, of Bashir Mehman, who is related to PMLN,

02:19 and of PMLN camp, is that this will be against People's Party.

02:22 Yes, it has been decided. We will talk about this.

02:24 Before the program, we have Dr. Farooq Sattar, Senior Deputy Convener, Mutahidak Kaum-e-Movement,

02:28 is present in Pakistan. Thank you very much, Dr. Sattar.

02:30 We have heard your statements, you have met, there was a press conference,

02:34 and apart from that, the contacts with Nawaz Sharif, keeping all these things in view,

02:39 what is the best strategy till now?

02:41 Will the alliance be formed before the elections or after the elections,

02:45 after the political weight of the person, will the alliance be formed?

02:50 Or will there be seat adjustment first?

02:55 The situation with Mariam Mehman was such that usually, the alliance is formed after the elections.

03:03 There is a division of ministries, who will have the power,

03:08 then along with that, the objectives, benefits, people understand,

03:13 and then the big parties, they make alliances with the small parties,

03:18 and after that, they don't ask in a beautiful way, that how are you?

03:25 So I think, we are not talking about government unity, nor about power, nor about the ministries.

03:30 For 50 years, the people of Pakistan were put behind a truck,

03:36 a strong center, a strong Pakistan.

03:40 After 50 years, the small parties, the nationalist parties were heard,

03:45 and it was said that a strong province, a strong Pakistan is guaranteed.

03:49 Now it has been 15 years, and still, the people are in the same condition,

03:54 inflation, unemployment, poverty, then along with water, where did the electricity load shedding go?

04:00 Now the gas load shedding has made people's lives miserable.

04:04 So now after all this situation, the real problem,

04:07 which is not established by a participatory democracy and a participatory democracy in the whole world,

04:13 but on the municipal, district, and city level,

04:17 power, authority, and the means of transportation,

04:19 so now the buzzword is local autonomy.

04:23 Local autonomy, provincial autonomy has become unmanageable.

04:27 They have taken control of the center and the municipalities.

04:30 So what we are talking about, the big parties are understanding this now.

04:35 They also have no other option,

04:38 that if Lahore, the capital of Punjab, if PMLN wins,

04:43 the minister sits in the center, but Lahore, Multan, Bahalpur, Rahulpindi,

04:49 Sir, if you are understanding,

04:50 Sir, if you are understanding that PMLN has understood that local governments are the future,

04:57 then I disagree with you, sir.

04:59 They are strong in Punjab, they will not give anyone a share in power,

05:02 nor are they interested in having local body elections,

05:04 nor are they interested in Punjab's power transfer.

05:08 In Sindh, they do not have that much power,

05:10 but here, the narrative suits them, and that is why they are standing with you.

05:14 So this is a very political decision.

05:16 If you think that they have understood your local body and local leadership ideology,

05:21 then it is not like that, they have not understood it in Punjab.

05:23 They have understood it in Sindh, that they have to solve their own problems.

05:25 Sir, I will come back to my question,

05:27 that seat adjustment will be done before the first election,

05:30 has this been decided, principally?

05:33 Look, seat adjustment is a very ordinary part of this will and the Mafia movement,

05:40 and this will and this action,

05:43 we have to make a national agenda, a national consensus,

05:50 and if the first point of local autonomy is at the top of the list,

05:58 and along with that, everyone has agreed to bring out the national character of Karachi,

06:04 and the committee that has been formed between PMLN and MKM,

06:08 and the local level and the loyal and central level,

06:12 the meetings of which will start very soon,

06:14 and before the election, we are preparing a national consensus agenda,

06:18 and inviting the other political parties.

06:21 Actually, you and many anchors and channels are focusing on election,

06:25 seat adjustment or some election alliance.

06:29 This is not the case at all.

06:30 There will be a lot of scope for seat adjustment.

06:32 If there is more than one or two seats,

06:36 but look beyond that, look ahead,

06:39 there is no other way.

06:41 Pakistan has to be brought out of the current political and economic turmoil.

06:45 You are absolutely right, Mr. Farooq.

06:46 I agree with your point.

06:49 I also agree with the right to give power to the lowest level.

06:55 Obviously, we will go step by step.

06:57 First, the election will come, and then everything will happen.

07:00 In the election, there is a close relationship between you and PMLN,

07:02 there is a common agenda, there is a scope for seat adjustment.

07:05 You will see that when you come closer.

07:06 But PMLN has been in alliance with you in the past,

07:10 you had concerns about Karachi earlier,

07:13 and now, in the context of budgeting,

07:15 of giving you the authority,

07:18 of Karachi's deprivation.

07:20 So, how do you think they will be able to work now?

07:26 Look, Maria Memon,

07:28 such concerns,

07:29 when in 2010-2011,

07:32 the agenda of the self-governing province was the 27-member

07:37 collective animal committee on national perspective.

07:42 It sat for a year and a half,

07:44 and then everyone agreed on a constitutional amendment.

07:47 So, even then, there were doubts and doubts

07:52 that the big parties will not do it.

07:54 But the big parties were forced by the time and circumstances,

07:59 that there is no other way.

08:01 And now, what we are saying,

08:02 look, we are visionary.

08:04 Our exposure is in the rest of the political venues of Pakistan,

08:08 or Karachi is an international city.

08:10 Maybe the rest of the cities are not so international.

08:13 People know Karachi all over the world.

08:17 Karachi's business community,

08:19 investors, entrepreneurs,

08:21 they are known all over the world.

08:23 Look, there is one-party rule in China,

08:26 and at the central level.

08:28 But their municipal institutions are as self-sufficient

08:34 and influential as America, Europe, Japan and Australia.

08:39 If this system can come in China,

08:41 then if it does not come in Pakistan,

08:44 then tell me, is there any other way?

08:46 So, what I am saying is, look,

08:48 if we talk immediately about the election,

08:51 because the election is coming,

08:53 that is an important aspect in this entire conversation,

08:55 that how will you implement this agenda?

08:57 So, this will be a people's party versus everyone else in Sindh?

09:00 Look, I am raising my collar because

09:05 we will at least get some credit,

09:08 that for the first time,

09:09 we are talking about a local government

09:12 in a national debate.

09:15 And for the first time,

09:17 the big leaders of any big party are talking about this.

09:22 When their other leaders come to Karachi,

09:24 then we do not need to say anything.

09:27 We are committing what is in our hearts to the people.

09:32 People are fed up with politics.

09:34 Now, if they are not given the statements

09:37 that the other countries followed 100 years ago,

09:43 then this system will be invalid.

09:44 If we still want to stay 100 years behind the world,

09:48 then it is my job to expose them.

09:50 Make clips of their videos.

09:52 And when they do not do it,

09:54 then we will go to Dubai.

09:56 We will go to Dubai.

09:58 People's party is also talking about the local government

10:01 in the last election,

10:03 in the Meher election,

10:05 how is their statement different from yours?

10:08 How is the People's party different from you

10:10 on the basis of this statement,

10:12 when they are actively participating in these elections

10:16 for these rights,

10:18 are also standing candidates,

10:20 and are taking the local elections seriously.

10:22 What is the difference?

10:24 The thing is that if the mayor of a municipality

10:29 has the power,

10:31 then he is given some pocket money

10:33 on his own merit.

10:35 And if the mayor is a step-son,

10:37 then he is treated worse than a step-son.

10:41 So, there is a difference in attitude.

10:44 The thing is that if I have control over Karachi,

10:46 then the resources of the province

10:48 that are available from the central government,

10:50 motor vehicle tax, property tax,

10:52 building control,

10:54 master plan,

10:56 sewerage, water, sanitation,

10:58 sales tax on utilities,

11:00 all these are the tax of the municipality.

11:02 It should be their tax.

11:04 If the media,

11:06 media houses,

11:08 the people's party,

11:10 will not come to this agenda

11:12 till the last moment.

11:14 Because they have been ruling

11:16 since 15 years,

11:18 they have ruled in the name of

11:20 the self-determination province.

11:22 They have made a deal of the blood

11:24 of respected Benazir Bhutto

11:26 and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

11:28 And in the name of the worst,

11:30 most corrupt self-determination province.

11:32 So, Farooq sahib,

11:34 my original question was that

11:36 the Nawab Shah was a slave.

11:38 He made a colony on Karachi,

11:40 made people slaves,

11:42 and on the basis of 5% vote,

11:44 he brought the 5% vote.

11:46 So, this is the unity of the people's party

11:48 versus everyone else.

11:50 Is it? You are PMLN,

11:52 you will talk to GADA,

11:54 Jamaat-e-Islami.

11:56 It is not like that.

11:58 It is the choice of the people's party.

12:00 If they want to stay away from unity,

12:02 it is their wish.

12:04 But if they admit that yes,

12:06 this is the key to success.

12:08 If Karachi will run, Pakistan will run.

12:10 If Karachi runs,

12:12 Sindh runs.

12:14 In the last 15 years,

12:16 the people's party

12:18 has not given a drop of water to Karachi.

12:20 Larkana Nawab Shah,

12:22 leave him alone.

12:24 He is only told that

12:26 only one slogan has to be raised,

12:28 and that is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Mutarma Shaheed.

12:30 But now people are leaving this city.

12:32 Actually,

12:34 the ground is coming out of their feet,

12:36 the hands are flying like parrots,

12:38 the nights are getting dark,

12:40 and the peace of the heart is gone.

12:42 We have to admit that

12:44 they have been oppressing for 15 years.

12:46 Now this is the agenda.

12:48 We will also come.

12:50 Why will they join this unity?

12:52 How will there be a collective election?

12:54 Who will fight against each other?

12:56 There is a lot of chaos.

12:58 Look,

13:00 all the parties will fight against each other.

13:02 Where has this been decided

13:04 that if PMLN is forced

13:06 to sit on one seat,

13:08 even if there is an adjustment,

13:10 we will not be in front of the other seats.

13:12 Everyone will fight for the elections.

13:14 It is not that everyone will fight

13:16 against the People's Party.

13:18 Yes, in the inner city,

13:20 if our vote,

13:22 the vote of JUI,

13:24 and the vote of GDA

13:26 is together,

13:28 then the value of that

13:30 will go a little further

13:32 than the vote of the People's Party.

13:34 This is like taking a chance this time.

13:36 The graph of the People's Party

13:38 is going down.

13:40 We are providing alternative leadership.

13:42 Now we will not hit them on our ground,

13:44 but on their ground.

13:46 Now look,

13:48 they have fled from here and gone to Dubai.

13:50 God willing, after the elections,

13:52 we will send them further than Dubai.

13:54 Okay, Mr. Farooq,

13:56 you have openly said that the People's Party

13:58 is your opponent,

14:00 a political challenger.

14:02 We have understood the limits of unity.

14:04 Now, the discussion

14:06 is about the establishment

14:08 of a national government.

14:10 We have seen that Mr. Zardari

14:12 has also spoken about the establishment

14:14 of a national government.

14:16 Mr. Fazlur Rehman also talks about

14:18 the establishment of a national government.

14:20 Today, Mr. Raja Raiyaz gave an interview.

14:22 Mr. Muhammad Ali Durrani.

14:24 So, after the elections,

14:26 no one will have a majority.

14:28 It will be an alliance government,

14:30 a national government.

14:32 What is your political guess?

14:34 If the decision will be delayed,

14:36 deferred,

14:38 then Pakistan will be in a worse

14:40 and worse state than it is now.

14:42 If we talk about a national government,

14:44 then at least make a national agenda.

14:46 At least make a national consensus.

14:48 We have to take power in the national government.

14:50 We have to take the ministries of our own.

14:52 We had made a small national government

14:54 in the last few months,

14:56 which was only 1.5 years.

14:58 So, make a national government.

15:00 Brother,

15:02 until we tell the people,

15:04 the problems,

15:06 where the world is today,

15:08 everyone knows.

15:10 Everyone knows what the world is today.

15:12 Everyone knows what is where.

15:14 But the problem in Pakistan is

15:16 how the world is where

15:18 and what it is today.

15:20 They don't want to take the pain

15:22 and the pain of reforms

15:24 by giving the answer of how.

15:26 Without taking it,

15:28 this bitter pill will be for reforms.

15:30 Then, Mr. Farooq,

15:32 we need a clear majority for this.

15:34 We need a clear majority

15:36 for the upcoming elections.

15:38 I don't see a clear majority

15:40 for any political party,

15:42 as per Mr. Zardari and others.

15:44 If you don't see it,

15:46 then it's not good to sit first.

15:48 So that the people who are

15:50 upset and annoyed

15:52 with the political parties,

15:54 the political oppressors,

15:56 their attitudes,

15:58 will get a clear majority.

16:00 This time, let's be serious.

16:02 Now, let's get people to vote

16:04 and then come back

16:06 after five years.

16:08 I don't think this will work.

16:10 Now, this is an old habit.

16:12 Now, we need to give a genuine agenda

16:14 and statements,

16:16 which we have done for the last five years.

16:18 Thank you very much,

16:20 Dr. Farooq Sattar.

16:22 He was saying about the National Government

16:24 that if this is the wall of the nation,

16:26 then we should talk about the unity.

16:28 We will come back after the break.

16:30 The ultimatum has been given to

16:32 the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf

16:34 to hold the intra-party elections

16:36 within 20 days,

16:38 otherwise, they will have a sign of a

16:40 victory or not.

16:42 We will come back after the break

16:44 and talk about the election culture

16:46 and the way of elections.

16:48 We will come back after the break.

16:50 Welcome back.

16:52 The election commission of Pakistan

16:54 has given instructions to hold

16:56 intra-party elections within 20 days.

16:58 The decision has been made

17:00 that if this does not happen,

17:02 then there is a warning that

17:04 the flag of the election of Pakistan

17:06 can be taken back.

17:08 What has been said in this

17:10 decision?

17:12 The key point is that

17:14 according to the party constitution

17:16 of 2017,

17:18 the party officials will be elected

17:20 for four years.

17:22 The period of four years ended on 13 June 2021.

17:24 The PTI was given one year

17:26 due to the corona virus in 2019.

17:28 On 24 May 2021,

17:30 the election commission

17:32 sent a notice to remind

17:34 the people of intra-party elections.

17:36 Tehreek-e-Insaf has failed

17:38 to hold transparent intra-party elections.

17:40 According to the show-cause notice issued,

17:42 it has been said that

17:44 Tehreek-e-Insaf has not held

17:46 intra-party elections

17:48 according to the party constitution of 2022.

17:50 The PTI took a stand

17:52 on the objections of the election commission

17:54 that in June 2022,

17:56 the intra-party elections were held

17:58 according to the party constitution of 2019.

18:00 After the intra-party elections,

18:02 the party constitution of 2022

18:04 was re-adopted.

18:06 The party's lawyer,

18:08 Barrister Gauhar,

18:10 took the stand that the party constitution

18:12 has been re-adopted

18:14 and a new certificate has been

18:16 submitted to the election commission.

18:18 The bench, which is one of the four members

18:20 of the election commission,

18:22 did not agree with the certificate

18:24 and the PTI elections

18:26 have been called off.

18:28 The results have been said

18:30 to be unacceptable.

18:32 The situation is that

18:34 Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has 20 days

18:36 to hold transparent elections.

18:38 Some people are under arrest,

18:40 the party chairman is in jail,

18:42 and no organization structure

18:44 is visible.

18:46 This is why Mr. Hamid Khan

18:48 said that it is almost impossible

18:50 to hold elections on such short notice.

18:52 What did the lawyer of Tehreek-e-Insaf say?

18:54 The difficulty is that

18:56 almost all of our party leadership

18:58 is in jail.

19:00 Some party leadership

19:02 is forced to go underground.

19:04 Our workers,

19:06 who are part of our national council

19:08 in the intraparty elections,

19:10 are also in jail

19:12 or underground.

19:14 It is very difficult

19:16 to hold intraparty elections

19:18 in these conditions.

19:20 It is very difficult.

19:22 It makes sense that

19:26 technically it is difficult

19:28 and it is not visible.

19:30 Will Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf

19:32 lose the chance to hold elections?

19:34 This is a very important question.

19:36 But the problem in Pakistan

19:38 is that the election process

19:40 in all political parties

19:42 is extremely shady and

19:44 there is no competition.

19:46 If we quickly look at the situation

19:48 of the elections in the political parties

19:50 and the way they are organized,

19:52 then we can start with the

19:54 intraparty elections of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.

19:56 In June 2022,

19:58 Chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf

20:00 Imran Khan

20:02 was elected as the chairman of PTI

20:04 without any competition.

20:06 It would be better

20:08 if the candidate was not

20:10 voted but there should be a pretense

20:12 that there is a transparent

20:14 democratic way of holding elections.

20:16 In the last election,

20:18 Shah Mehmood Qureshi

20:20 was also elected as the vice chairman

20:22 of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.

20:24 So there is no candidate in front

20:26 and this is the situation

20:28 of other parties as well.

20:30 On June 16, 2023,

20:32 Nawaz Sharif was appointed

20:34 as the party's constitutional leader.

20:36 The party's constitutional leaders

20:38 are the ones who are elected

20:40 in the remaining positions.

20:42 But they are also elected without competition.

20:44 Shah Mehmood Qureshi was also

20:46 elected as the president of Noon League

20:48 without any competition.

20:50 There was no candidate in front

20:52 and there was no attempt to give

20:54 any impression of democracy.

20:56 This is not done in the political

20:58 parties of Pakistan.

21:00 Marim Nawaz Sharif was also

21:02 elected as the chief organizer

21:04 of Noon League without any competition.

21:06 Are these people not popular

21:08 in their party? Of course they are.

21:10 If there was a candidate in front of them,

21:12 they would have been elected.

21:14 But still, there is no candidate

21:16 in front of them.

21:18 If we look at the intro party elections

21:20 of People's Party,

21:22 Wilawal Bhutto was elected

21:24 as the chairman of People's Party

21:26 without any competition.

21:28 The trend is the same.

21:30 There will be no candidate in front

21:32 and the election will be without any competition.

21:34 The second party, which is led by

21:36 Asif Aziz Zardari, is elected

21:38 in January 2021.

21:40 The president has been elected

21:42 without any competition.

21:44 This is the situation of democracy

21:46 in the big parties of Pakistan.

21:48 There is one party,

21:50 which is different from others.

21:52 The culture of the intro party elections

21:54 of Jamaat-e-Islami is the strongest.

21:56 In the last 20 years,

21:58 the same leadership,

22:00 same electors and party

22:02 are running in the hands of the same people.

22:04 Jamaat-e-Islami is the only political

22:06 party, which has had three Ameers

22:08 in the last 20 years.

22:10 Overall, we have seen Qazi Hussain Ahmed,

22:12 Saeed Munawar Hassan,

22:14 Silaj-ul-Haq, and now

22:16 they have been elected again.

22:18 They have become Ameers for 5 years.

22:20 So, there is a healthy political culture

22:22 of the intro party elections in Jamaat-e-Islami.

22:24 Why is this?

22:26 Can this situation change?

22:28 It cannot.

22:30 We will look at the backdrop

22:32 and its futuristic prospects.

22:34 We have Majid Nizami,

22:36 who has a deep insight

22:38 into the constitutional

22:40 and constitutional politics of Pakistan.

22:42 He is joining us for the first time.

22:44 Thank you very much for joining us.

22:46 We also have Musharrat Kadeem,

22:48 the chairman of Fafn.

22:50 Musharrat, if I may start with you,

22:52 the Pakistan Party will have to

22:54 hold the elections in 20 days.

22:56 Is this technically possible?

22:58 Because,

23:00 they have declared a need for it.

23:02 But, is it technically,

23:04 or politically possible

23:06 to hold the elections in 20 days?

23:08 Assalam-o-Alaikum.

23:14 I think that

23:16 the way the political parties

23:18 in Pakistan

23:20 do not hold the elections,

23:22 but nominations,

23:24 then it is possible.

23:26 Because, you have

23:28 presented a summary

23:30 that our political parties

23:32 do not hold the elections.

23:34 If the same procedure

23:36 is adopted by the party

23:38 that it nominates

23:40 and completes the nomination process

23:42 within 20 days,

23:44 then I don't think

23:46 that they will face any difficulty.

23:48 But, I just want to say

23:50 that I think

23:52 that

23:54 a very fair method

23:56 should be adopted.

23:58 Otherwise,

24:00 the method that you have

24:02 mentioned,

24:04 that a hereditary politics

24:06 does not come into competition.

24:08 You have given an example

24:10 of the Jamaat-e-Islami.

24:12 But, if you closely

24:14 examine the Jamaat-e-Islami,

24:16 then you will see that

24:18 the situation is almost

24:20 the same,

24:22 but they have to hold

24:24 the elections.

24:26 You have said that

24:28 if there is a second candidate

24:30 with him, then no one will vote for him.

24:32 They will vote for him.

24:34 So, I think that

24:36 we should think about

24:38 the nomination process

24:40 and not the election process.

24:42 I will bring this question

24:44 to you, Majid.

24:46 I have read the structure

24:48 and told you that

24:50 if there is a candidate

24:52 standing in front of Nawaz Sharif

24:54 or Shabaz Sharif or Imran Khan,

24:56 then where will the voter's

24:58 vote be?

25:00 But, even in the election process,

25:02 no candidate is nominated.

25:04 Is this right?

25:06 Should this be changed?

25:08 Or, will it not make a difference?

25:10 Or, are such Jamaats running

25:12 for 30-35 years?

25:14 Why should they be tortured?

25:16 Last time, when PTI tortured them,

25:18 they were all in the party.

25:20 Thank you very much.

25:22 I think there are two aspects to this.

25:24 First, there are 175 Jamaats

25:26 registered with the Election Commission.

25:28 All of them are

25:30 subject to the paper process.

25:32 But, PTI

25:34 was negligent

25:36 in this matter.

25:38 This should not have happened.

25:40 They are facing problems.

25:42 They have added to their problems.

25:44 They should have

25:46 completed their paper process.

25:48 The second aspect is

25:50 that

25:52 should this happen or not?

25:54 I think

25:56 this should not happen.

25:58 In the 90s,

26:00 political Jamaats were

26:02 interested in this.

26:04 They were hopeful

26:06 in the intra-party elections.

26:08 But, in the last 20-25 years,

26:10 they have seen that

26:12 they are not interested in

26:14 elections.

26:16 They are not interested in

26:18 elections.

26:20 The leader of the party

26:22 has not thought of

26:24 fighting against them.

26:26 I think that if political Jamaats

26:28 bring transparency in the

26:30 elections,

26:32 it will increase their credibility.

26:34 If they do this,

26:36 it will increase the trust

26:38 and acceptance

26:40 of the educated middle class

26:42 of Pakistan.

26:44 But, the technical points

26:46 that the Election Commission

26:48 has given,

26:50 I think that the way

26:52 the elections are conducted

26:54 in Pakistan, it is possible

26:56 that they will be able to

26:58 conduct the elections.

27:00 What is your opinion about

27:02 this?

27:04 Will it be possible

27:06 to conduct the elections

27:08 in 20 days?

27:10 According to the Election Commission,

27:12 there is an added variable.

27:16 I think that it is possible.

27:18 We have two such examples

27:20 in the recent past.

27:22 In 2017, the same thing happened

27:24 with Muslim League Noon.

27:26 The share was stopped by the Election Commission.

27:28 There was a problem

27:30 with the party elections.

27:32 After that, Muslim League Noon

27:34 conducted its party elections.

27:36 Everyone was elected without any competition.

27:38 But, the process was completed.

27:40 Along with this, there were

27:42 by-elections in Peshawar.

27:44 The votes were not being allotted.

27:46 But, when the paper work was completed,

27:48 it was done.

27:50 The second example is that

27:52 when Javed Hashmi was in jail

27:54 during the Pervez Musharraf era,

27:56 and he was accused of rebellion,

27:58 the party elected him as the

28:00 senior vice president.

28:02 So, the fact that a leader is in jail

28:04 or there are government restrictions,

28:06 I think that the paper work of the Election Commission

28:08 is possible in all these matters.

28:10 There is nothing big in this.

28:12 The only thing is that

28:14 the movement of justice

28:16 should be checked

28:18 to ensure that there is no

28:20 legal flaw or defect.

28:22 But, if they want to do it

28:24 carefully, they can do it.

28:26 Musharraf Sahiba,

28:28 the question is that

28:30 the election phase may pass.

28:32 But, the culture of parties

28:34 which we think should change,

28:36 is not getting the chance.

28:38 Neither the intraparty

28:40 or democratic

28:42 approach is being used.

28:44 Do you think that

28:46 this culture will remain

28:48 in the present situation?

28:50 Or, are there any signs of change?

28:52 Look,

28:54 one thing is that

28:56 our political culture

28:58 has been

29:00 somehow accepted

29:02 that an elite

29:04 component

29:06 should be

29:08 in the party.

29:10 We have accepted that

29:12 in our political culture.

29:14 We are following that political culture.

29:16 When you have said

29:18 that we should challenge this,

29:20 I remembered that

29:22 once, in a party,

29:24 two years ago,

29:26 the leadership was challenged

29:28 that someone stood against them.

29:30 I think that he was shown

29:32 the door that

29:34 there is no space

29:36 for you in the party.

29:38 This has happened in all parties.

29:40 In PMLN, People's Party,

29:42 Tariq Insaaf.

29:44 This is the culture of all parties.

29:46 This is exactly what has happened.

29:48 We are a democratic party

29:50 of Pakistan

29:52 and we are working for democracy.

29:54 First, we have to

29:56 create democracy within us.

29:58 Democracy and

30:00 the elections

30:02 in political parties

30:04 basically

30:06 strengthen

30:08 your institutional strength.

30:10 It strengthens

30:12 your democratic practices.

30:14 When you do not

30:16 give space to people

30:18 within your party,

30:20 so that your lowest level

30:22 worker,

30:24 your potential leader

30:26 will not come forward.

30:28 You will not give space to him.

30:30 Then what is democracy?

30:32 This is what we are discussing.

30:34 We will give space to democracy

30:36 when we have space

30:38 with the leadership.

30:40 The problem is that they are

30:42 in survivalist mode.

30:44 If there is a political revolution,

30:46 then maybe elections

30:48 will be considered.

30:50 We should not consider it.

30:52 This is the tradition

30:54 of being elected without a competition.

30:56 This is the future.

30:58 There is no

31:00 change in this.

31:02 But,

31:04 the big issue that

31:06 Tehreek-e-Insaf is facing

31:08 is that is it possible

31:10 to get the electoral vote from them?

31:12 I think

31:14 there will not be any difference.

31:16 Today, Mian Nawaz Sharif

31:18 talked about 1993.

31:20 In 1993,

31:22 the cycle of IJI

31:24 was given to another Muslim League.

31:26 Muslim League Nawaz

31:28 had to fight for the lion's vote.

31:30 The election results were that

31:32 those who fought for the cycle

31:34 got 6 seats.

31:36 Those who fought for the new vote

31:38 got 73 seats.

31:40 I think that if Tehreek-e-Insaf

31:42 is threatened that

31:44 they will take the vote,

31:46 it will not have any effect.

31:48 Because, in the age of social media

31:50 and media awareness,

31:52 it will not be difficult to tell

31:54 which party is the electoral vote.

31:56 We will go to the break.

31:58 When we come back,

32:00 we will talk about the smog in Lahore.

32:02 But, the government says that

32:04 it will take 15 years to fight it.

32:06 We will talk about it in the break.

32:08 Welcome back.

32:14 Because of the smog,

32:16 the life of people in Badastur, Lahore

32:18 is in a bad state.

32:20 It is not a matter of today.

32:22 It has been happening

32:24 since the last 20 years.

32:26 But, the policy that was needed

32:28 at the state level,

32:30 was not taken.

32:32 Now, we are moving towards

32:34 small fire fighting tactics.

32:36 For example, schools are closed

32:38 for a few days.

32:40 Some public places are closed.

32:42 This is not a long term solution.

32:44 How many times will you imprison children?

32:46 How many times will you close schools?

32:48 How many times will you stop people's movement

32:50 in the city?

32:52 You will be shocked.

32:54 Lahore and Karachi

32:56 are the two most polluted cities

32:58 in the world.

33:00 Karachi is not that polluted.

33:02 Delhi, Dhaka, Kolkata, Lahore,

33:04 Karachi, South Asia

33:06 are facing a climate crisis.

33:08 Along with global warming,

33:10 we are also facing

33:12 a lot of pollution.

33:14 What are the priorities?

33:16 Politically,

33:18 how are we going to

33:20 fight this?

33:22 What are the policies of our government?

33:24 What should they do?

33:26 Amir Mir says that it will take 15 years.

33:28 We cannot do anything about it overnight.

33:30 Everything is being done.

33:32 In China, there was a smoke issue.

33:34 It took 15 years.

33:36 We are calling the experts.

Sawal Yeh Hai | Maria Memon | ARY News | 25th November 2023

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