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Host:
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- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
- Irshad Bhatti (Analyst)
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
Irshad Bhatti's critical analysis on PPP and PMLN's politics
Ather Kazmi gives inside news regarding upcoming govt
What was PTI Chief's biggest mistake? Irshad Bhatti's Reaction
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Host:
- Shaista Yousuf
Guests:
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
- Irshad Bhatti (Analyst)
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
Irshad Bhatti's critical analysis on PPP and PMLN's politics
Ather Kazmi gives inside news regarding upcoming govt
What was PTI Chief's biggest mistake? Irshad Bhatti's Reaction
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and welcome to the show.
00:13 I'm your host, Shaista Yusuf. We have seen that in elections, the focus of all the parties is on Punjab. But, in recent days, we have seen that all the parties are focusing on Sindh and Balochistan. It seems that the Noon League is not ready to give an open ground to the People's Party.
00:35 Saad Rafiq is complaining that Pakistan is a big city and that it has been turned into a ruin. He is also saying that he will meet GDA and MQM.
00:47 Sharjeel Memon is saying that no matter how much you unite, it won't make a difference. Sharjeel Memon is saying that whenever elections are held, the Noon League remembers Sindh. Sharjeel Memon has also made a claim that the next government will be the People's Party.
01:06 The competition will be held in Central Punjab. The President of the People's Party, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and President Asif Ali Zardari will campaign in Punjab and the People's Party will sweep the country. In 2024, the People's Party will make its Prime Minister.
01:24 The People's Party will sweep the country and the President will make his Prime Minister. How much truth is there in these claims? Our analysts are with us. Let's get to know from them.
01:40 We have with us Mr. Irshad Bhatti. Mr. Bhatti, thank you very much for taking the time for the program. We have with us Mr. Athar Kazmi. Thank you so much for your time. We have with us Mr. Amir Ilyas Chana.
01:55 Thank you so much for your time. Mr. Bhatti, let's talk about the claims made by Sharjeel Memon. The People's Party's claim to sweep the country and to make its Prime Minister, how much truth is there in these claims?
02:17 Alhamdulillah, the program was supposed to start with Mr. Irshad Bhatti and he was supposed to talk about Sharjeel Memon. These are the signs of the near future and they have all come together.
02:29 And it seems to you that the statements that you are hearing today, from the People's Party, from the Muslim League Noon, from Sharjeel Memon, from Khawaja Saad Rafiq, from Bilawal Bhutto, from here and there, it seems that they were together for 16 months.
02:48 It is becoming a memory that they were together in the government and Bilawal Bhutto was saying yesterday that we need your speed in Sindh also.
03:03 And Shahbaz Shiv was saying that my best and most competent minister is Bilawal Bhutto. Shahbaz Shiv was saying this yesterday.
03:18 And they were singing each other's praises. The flag of the civilians was raised and the dignity of the vote was being raised and then suddenly the power was over.
03:33 And then Alhamdulillah again. They know that we are fools. Whenever they want, they will get Bhutto and Zia together. Whenever they want, they will get Bhutto and Zia together and take the vote from Pravez Musharraf.
03:46 And then they will say that we had tied black banners. Whenever they want, they will call each other the destroyer of the earth, the beast and the burden on the earth, the creator of Punjab, Mujibur Rahman. 40%, 60%, 80%, 100%.
04:02 They will hang me on the cross, hang me on the streets, cut my stomach, they are calling me money from Switzerland. And in Sindh, Sqaja Saad Rafiq was saying yesterday that in Sindh,
04:15 when he was in power for 16 months, he was saying that Mr. Zardari is a symbol of understanding, a symbol of high politics. I heard it once that day.
04:25 He was saying that your factories give children eggs. Where did you get so much money? You don't even get enough to eat.
04:32 So they get together. Now what is the logic? We have to fight the elections. If we have to fight the elections, we have to oppose each other.
04:39 And these Khursheed Shah Sahibs who nowadays ask for apologies by tying their hands on the TV that we have joined PDM, then who told you to join PDM?
04:48 Why did you join? After three and a half years, you got power, you removed the political opposition and you came to politics.
04:55 You paid the worst government of 75 years and after that, you have started firing against each other again.
05:02 And believe me, if they get another chance after this election, then they will sit together and still tell that this country is better for the nation and the democracy.
05:11 We are sitting together. So they sometimes tell each other that you are a security risk. No, you are a security risk.
05:19 You are a dishonesty that doesn't bring English dogs. No, you are this and that. And what taunts did they give?
05:26 They say that there is no end in politics and the doors in politics are never closed.
05:31 If there were elections, then I think both these things would have been taken advantage of by all the parties. But do you think that these claims of Sharjeel Memon Sahib, do you really think that these claims are going to be fulfilled or will they be fulfilled?
05:46 No, no, they will not be fulfilled at all. How will they be fulfilled? They will not be fulfilled at all. Why will they be fulfilled?
05:52 Now, there is no mention of People's Party in Punjab. If there is a fair and free election, then how many seats will there be in Punjab? There will be two or four seats of People's Party.
06:01 There is a Punjab with 141 seats. The one who wins in Punjab will make a government. So, I don't think that these are just empty talk.
06:10 But tell me, if you look at the People's Party in Sindh, in 1970 there was Roti Kapda Aur Makaan and Bilawal Bhutto is also selling that.
06:20 Now, if you look at the people's party in Sindh, you will find Roti Kapda Aur Makaan. Tell Sharjeel Memon Sahib to focus on Sindh.
06:25 A district where everything is available, Roti Kapda Aur Makaan for a person. Do a district, do a union council, do a union council.
06:34 He was doing a press conference today, so he says that the treatment that was done in foreign countries is now done in Sindh. Cancer hospital is made and transplant hospitals are being done. He has counted so many things today.
06:51 So, tell him to treat Asif Ali Zardari Sahib here instead of going abroad. He should get his treatment done here. Leave it outside. Leave going.
07:02 I think he himself went to get treatment. May Allah give health to all of them. So, tell him that there is such a good and developed hospital here.
07:10 Well, Shabaz Sheev Sahib also said that Punjab's hospitals have become like Europe, although both brothers go abroad. So, this is an air firing, fake work, there is a map in the election.
07:21 Now, the fear of the people's party is that the dreams of the Bilawal ministerial committee are spreading. The second is that there is an alliance in Sindh.
07:30 And the third is that the elections are on the head. So, you think it is air firing. Let's ask Amir Ilyas Rana Sahib about this.
07:39 Amir Ilyas Rana Sahib, if there is a grand alliance in Sindh, can it put a dent in the people's party?
07:44 Because we are seeing the noon league, we are meeting GDA, they have met MQM today, they are meeting JUI.
07:52 So, is it possible that the noon league can give the people's party a tough time in Sindh?
07:58 But no one will get a tough time. Politics is the same thing that you fight elections against your opponent.
08:06 And PMLN, JUI, F, MQM and GDA will fight elections together and you and we will see them playing election election.
08:15 Politics is the same thing. And they will try that the people's party has not left any room in the inner Sindh.
08:22 Whether it is PMLN or PTI, Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan, both have not left any room in the inner Sindh.
08:29 And Zardari Sahib was given a lot of political opportunities.
08:32 And the last two or four players who were left, who were not in the people's party,
08:38 who were good candidates for the inner Sindh, Meher, family, the whole tribe, they have joined them.
08:44 And there is no such thing in today's situation.
08:48 But the demands of the level playing field were that the minister of the Nigrahan government is present in the people's party.
08:55 But his helplessness was seen in many places.
08:58 And that rail-pail was not seen, which was always with the people's party in the Nigrahan governments.
09:03 This time there was a slight difference, and the demands were also seen.
09:06 I have not seen anything serious yet that the people's party has a big challenge in Sindh.
09:11 In Karachi, MQM Noon, the vote of Noon, MQM has to regain its stronghold.
09:18 PTI has been cut to size.
09:20 How many seats will it be able to give tough time again to its candidates and voters?
09:25 Will it take them into the field so that they can fight the election with full force?
09:29 A lot of things are yet to come in front of us in two or three weeks.
09:33 And just like the people's party has included people in Balochistan,
09:37 people are joining PMLN on 14th and the BAP is joining PMLN.
09:42 KP and Punjab will be a big battlefield.
09:45 In terms of politics, the colours have to be changed and have to be fixed.
09:50 But the question you have about Sindh, the people's party has no big challenge in Sindh.
09:55 Okay, Mr. Amir Ilyas Chauhan, we have been talking for two days,
10:02 one, the Kings party is also talking a lot, and the other,
10:05 we are getting the impression that the tag of Ladle is put on Nawaz Sharif.
10:09 Mr. Mian, you are looking very worried about that tag.
10:12 A story has also been published on this issue of Don.
10:15 So, sir, what will you respond to this?
10:18 Those who have a story, they will tell.
10:20 Those who are worried, they will tell.
10:22 Nawaz Sharif has come back to Pakistan, of course, to fight the election.
10:25 He has come to fight the election for his party.
10:28 So, they have no objection to this impression, nor do they have to answer it.
10:34 They have to fight the election with their people.
10:37 For which we are talking to you today that their party people have reached Sindh,
10:42 they have also gone to their relatives,
10:44 those who want to join them, they want to join them too.
10:46 And they have also gone to the wedding of Sharjeel Mehman's family, participated.
10:50 You know about it on social media too.
10:52 Without any reason, it was put on that, see what is happening,
10:55 that the Minister of Health is also there, and then later it was found that they have reached there at the wedding.
10:59 This kind of trolling happens with us and this is the game.
11:02 And Nawaz Sharif, in Punjab, like Mansab Dogar, who was their MNA before,
11:07 Pakpatan, which is the seat of a city, is another.
11:10 From that, he is coming back.
11:13 Asif Bagh has come from Shahab, who did not give the ticket,
11:16 because he had promised with the PTI's representative in the Punjab's Zimni election.
11:20 And he had also come number two, he came back to his party.
11:23 So this is a breaking up everywhere.
11:25 That in Punjab, in the People's Party, Bilawal Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari put all their efforts.
11:29 But neither did they meet the people of the Stakkaam Party, they went separately, nor did they meet in KP.
11:34 So now all their efforts are there, that the way they had saved their government in 2018,
11:39 that they are continuing in Sindh, they are trying very hard for it.
11:44 There is also an effort that the relations and the issues are not broken, but are being joined.
11:48 You are saying that the Noon League is trying to break up,
11:52 there is no such thing that Mr. Mian wants to remove the tag of the darling on himself.
11:57 You think he has said that I am a darling.
12:01 Those who are his opponents, those who want to fight against him, they will say the same.
12:05 You tell me that he says that Nawaz Sharif was given a wrong punishment five years ago,
12:10 by a violation of Pakistan's law, he started with the Black Law Dictionary from Panama,
12:15 and he was punished in it, does anyone believe that?
12:18 Has anyone ever received such a punishment?
12:21 When this was happening at that time, everyone was happy.
12:24 Everyone used to say that when Nawaz Sharif was being sent out,
12:27 everyone had a stomachache, 8000 prisoners, 9000 prisoners, give everyone bail.
12:31 At that time, the Prime Minister used to speak and at the same time, he was taking Nawaz Sharif out of ECL.
12:35 And then he remembered, the way you and I are talking about the People's Party and Noon League.
12:39 So after sending Nawaz Sharif out, Imran Khan sir got angry.
12:42 This is absolutely right, although, like Faisal Sultan sir lied to him,
12:46 that there were problems, he was a victim of the plateless.
12:49 I was not his victim, we had said that Uddin Khatola will come and take Nawaz Sharif,
12:53 the day he brought him from NAB.
12:55 So those who sold the plateless, they should speak.
12:58 Those who said that justice has been done, they should speak.
13:01 Because this is their right, because it is very easy to accuse a darling.
13:05 If he has been in jail for the party, he stayed with the party,
13:08 his people did not run after two hours, four hours, two weeks.
13:11 People have spent two and a half years in jail.
13:14 Saad Rafiq is in front of you, who is being talked about.
13:17 The Supreme Court did not say in their case of bail,
13:20 that this NAB has become an institution of victimization.
13:23 People are being trapped here.
13:25 At that time, you know, a court was prepared in the south, in south Punjab.
13:29 And people were made to sit in the v8, sorry, in the dhalas,
13:34 and they used to bring them to the house of Jahangir Kareem,
13:37 and from there they used to go to the v8 in Bannigala.
13:40 And they were being loved by PTI.
13:42 Everyone's return has begun. You and I are in the circle.
13:45 Pakistan is going through the same journey and will continue to play like this.
13:49 Okay, Mr. Kazmi, now the way we were talking,
13:52 Don's story is that Mr. Mia, it is a shame that Mr. Mia,
13:55 who has been tagged by the Pakistan People's Party and PTI,
13:59 to be a darling on them.
14:01 Mr. Rana says that there is no such thing.
14:03 What will you say about this?
14:05 Look, I also read that story, and in it, Mr. Mia also said that
14:08 such a narrative should be made that this impression is lost.
14:12 Now, when Imran Khan was there, he was called a darling,
14:17 now the People's Party, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
14:20 and even other Jamaats are saying that Nawaz Sharif is a darling.
14:24 Now, whatever tag or narrative is there,
14:27 it is not made by the saying of one or two people,
14:30 or by the saying of a Jamaat.
14:32 The impression that is in the public, the narrative that the public carries,
14:36 then that impression is established.
14:38 Is this impression in the public at the moment?
14:41 If this impression was not in the public,
14:43 then Mr. Mia would never have been worried that
14:46 this tag is being put against me or this is being said to me.
14:49 Now, the kind of treatment they have faced in the past,
14:52 you can certainly say that maybe they have been abused somewhere.
14:57 But the way they are being given the protocol at the moment,
15:00 the ambassadors of Pakistan are telling them to make narratives in London,
15:05 and they are giving them the protocol there.
15:08 Despite being punishable, the kind of protocol they have been given
15:12 from Britain to Lahore, is there any equivalent to that?
15:16 See, this is why people say that somewhere, there is something.
15:20 And we are not saying this, neither Rana Sahib, Bhatti Sahib, or I are saying this,
15:24 this is being said by their own allies,
15:26 who have ruled with them for 16 months, enjoyed the government.
15:30 They themselves are saying that Mr. Mia has been made a darling,
15:34 and the impression is being given that the next government will be theirs.
15:37 So there are some things that one can say about it.
15:40 The rest, see, will he win the election by being a darling?
15:43 See, the election has to be won by the votes of the public.
15:46 The impression certainly goes in their favor,
15:48 that they are giving the impression to many friends that the next government is ours,
15:52 and we will make this government.
15:54 And this is why Mr. Zardari is also concerned about this,
15:57 and he is making these statements through his people,
16:00 that no, no, we will make the government.
16:02 Now, who will be the government here, that will be known only in the future,
16:06 but it is possible that these two groups will be seen together again in the next government.
16:12 Because the third big group, how much level playing field should they leave at this time?
16:17 Is there a chance to come into the playing field?
16:20 That is in front of you and in front of the whole nation.
16:24 So you are saying that the unionists of yesterday,
16:27 who are now seen as opponents, will again unite tomorrow?
16:30 See, these unionists are still unionists.
16:33 They were unionists yesterday, they were unionists today,
16:35 they were unionists 20 years ago.
16:37 Whenever difficult times come, they stand together,
16:41 no matter who they come in the form of.
16:43 This time, for the first time, they have been given a big political challenge.
16:46 So, Atar, these statements that are coming,
16:48 sometimes they say that they are darling,
16:50 sometimes they say that it is the King's party,
16:52 sometimes something comes up,
16:54 sometimes they start saying bad things to the other province,
16:57 that they have made it a ruin.
16:59 See, they say this against each other,
17:01 but I said that when any political challenge comes for them,
17:05 for both of them, they get together.
17:07 Now their big challenge is in the form of Imran Khan.
17:11 As long as he is there, you will see that he will continue to give anat as much as he wants.
17:15 They will get together again.
17:17 In the past, they took a joint vote with Purvez Musharraf,
17:19 they ran governments together,
17:22 and today Khursheed Shah is calling Mian Sahib darling.
17:25 When the Asghar Khan case came in the past,
17:27 which has a decision in the Supreme Court,
17:30 they said that we cannot give Mian Sahib's beard to the FIA.
17:34 So, whatever happens here is just the politics of power.
17:37 They know everything that is happening.
17:39 And as I said before,
17:41 after these elections, you will see them together again.
17:45 So, will Noon League be able to make such statements
17:48 that the impression of this darling can be finished, as Mian Sahib is also saying?
17:52 See, statements are made with the help of the public.
17:55 By presenting two people,
17:57 by interviewing a servant of someone's house,
17:59 by targeting a woman of someone's house,
18:02 statements are not made.
18:03 We saw this in 16 months.
18:05 The PDM government tried to make statements in every way.
18:08 You cannot make statements by insulting the public consciousness
18:12 that he did this, he did that.
18:14 What statements did you make in 16 months?
18:16 That that personality is a traitor,
18:18 he is this, he is that.
18:20 Were those statements made?
18:21 Did the public accept it? No.
18:23 So, statements are made by those who believe in the public's intellect and consciousness.
18:27 So, if anyone tries to make such statements,
18:30 I don't think that in today's time,
18:32 you can make statements through 4 TV programs and 15 columns.
18:36 This is the age of social media.
18:38 The public makes statements and takes them with them.
18:40 So, statements are made by the public.
18:44 Yesterday's Khalif seems to be a Khalif today.
18:46 But he is a Khalif.
18:47 Okay, let's take a break.
18:50 When we come back from the break,
18:52 we will talk about negotiations.
18:54 What negotiations should be done?
18:55 All the Jamaats should sit together.
18:57 And where did the mistakes of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf happen?
19:00 We will talk about this after the break.
19:02 Welcome back after the break.
19:08 The way the political parties are negotiating today,
19:12 it has happened in the past as well.
19:14 But we saw that there were invitations,
19:16 but there were attempts as well.
19:18 But we also saw that there were rejections as well.
19:20 What did the former President of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
19:22 Murad Raj say about this?
19:24 And what did Saad Rapeet say about this?
19:26 Let's listen to this first.
19:28 The PDM sent me.
19:30 I was presented in the court.
19:31 And we said that we will negotiate in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
19:34 So, teams were formed.
19:36 Do you remember, there were negotiations in the Parliament House.
19:38 Mr. Dar was leading our team.
19:40 Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi was there.
19:42 There were parties of our PDM.
19:44 We came close to the fact that
19:46 there will be general elections in the country
19:48 on the 30th of September or the 1st week of October.
19:50 And we had an agreement on 3 points out of 4.
19:54 And the team of PTI said that
19:56 we will ask Mr. Imran Khan
19:58 and we will get back to you.
20:00 Who backed out?
20:02 We didn't.
20:04 We said that you should come back to your parties.
20:06 Stop joking.
20:08 In the last year,
20:10 I think none of us could go inside
20:12 for the last 6-7 months.
20:14 Because everyone knew
20:16 that entry is closed.
20:18 Those who think that
20:20 fighting, beating,
20:22 and protest politics
20:24 want to stay away from these things.
20:26 That we should sit and talk.
20:28 All these things should be there.
20:30 They were completely out.
20:32 When Tehreek-e-Insaf was established,
20:34 there were some decisions
20:36 that started to raise voices
20:38 which later proved to be right.
20:40 Bhatti, let's assume
20:42 that if there would have been negotiations
20:44 then the situation would have been different.
20:46 Yes.
20:48 With your permission,
20:50 if you allow me to say a few words,
20:52 I would like to say that
20:54 my beloved Qaid is a lover of love.
20:56 And he is very much in love with her.
20:58 And he himself,
21:00 according to his story,
21:02 wants to remove the label of being a lover.
21:04 Look,
21:06 I don't know why
21:08 my beloved Qaid,
21:10 Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif,
21:12 is worried that he wants to remove the status of being a lover.
21:14 In this, he has won.
21:16 And this is his victory.
21:18 If you look at the history of Pakistan,
21:20 they are not lovers.
21:22 They are unique lovers.
21:24 Who get the moon every time they play.
21:26 IJI was made for them.
21:28 Asghar Khan case,
21:30 they are lovers.
21:32 In the middle of the election,
21:34 they got two majority votes.
21:36 They are lovers.
21:38 Going to Jeddah,
21:40 they are lovers.
21:42 Coming back,
21:44 they are lovers.
21:46 Going home for 8 weeks,
21:48 they are lovers.
21:50 Going to London,
21:52 they are lovers.
21:54 Being a criminal,
21:56 committing a crime,
21:58 is a crime for someone else.
22:00 Coming back,
22:02 risk free,
22:04 they are lovers.
22:06 Coming back,
22:08 they are lovers.
22:10 Relief after relief,
22:12 MQM, BAP, electables,
22:14 all are falling in their lap,
22:16 they are lovers.
22:18 And after that,
22:20 from Benazir Bhutto to Khursheed Shah,
22:22 all are,
22:24 they are lovers.
22:26 And they have no statements,
22:28 but they don't need statements.
22:30 They buried the respect of votes,
22:32 they buried it themselves.
22:34 We are the solution to all problems.
22:36 We are Arastu, we are capable.
22:38 And they have suffered the worst government
22:40 in 16 months.
22:42 There are no statements,
22:44 but there is no need for it.
22:46 Now let's come to Imran Khan.
22:48 Imran Khan,
22:50 has been accused of serious
22:52 negotiations three times.
22:54 And three times,
22:56 Imran Khan rejected.
22:58 If he had not come
23:00 with a long march on 25th May,
23:02 the government would have been gone.
23:04 And it is being heard that the speech
23:06 had been written.
23:08 Although, all the work done by PDM,
23:10 how could they have done it?
23:12 But anyway, this is also being heard.
23:14 Before breaking the two
23:16 provincial assemblies,
23:18 a serious negotiation was discussed,
23:20 and then the election date,
23:22 which Saad Rafiq is saying,
23:24 was also close to it.
23:26 But it was not within a month.
23:28 Imran Khan should not believe it.
23:30 The mistakes that have been made today,
23:32 it seems,
23:34 one is the mistake of leaving
23:36 the national assembly.
23:38 Second, the mistake of leaving the army
23:40 to the traitor Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq,
23:42 and the result of which was 9th May.
23:44 Third, the mistake of breaking
23:46 both provincial assemblies.
23:48 The party members used to say
23:50 that whatever we wanted,
23:52 Imran Khan did it himself.
23:54 And this is what happened.
23:56 So, was it a mistake to appoint
23:58 Usman Buzdar as the Prime Minister of Punjab?
24:00 No, if we come to it in that way,
24:02 it was a mistake to appoint
24:04 Mehmood Khan as the Prime Minister of Punjab.
24:06 When the team is winning,
24:08 changing the captain,
24:10 Parvez Khattak was a better choice.
24:12 Mehmood Khan was Usman Buzdar plus.
24:14 And the people of Punjab
24:16 were also Usman Buzdar plus.
24:18 And then, like Usman Buzdar
24:20 suffered for three and a half years,
24:22 he did the Manjeet Hokee justice.
24:24 Then in the central government,
24:26 15 people were appointed.
24:28 When Imran Khan's government was in power,
24:30 his performance, his promises,
24:32 his claims, his slogans,
24:34 he used to count all of them.
24:36 And he had to appoint 15 people.
24:38 He could not appoint 15 people.
24:40 He had to appoint a total of 15 people.
24:42 Then, there was a
24:44 situation that
24:46 he could not
24:48 take his allies
24:50 and all the others
24:52 with him.
24:54 So, there are many small things
24:56 like governance,
24:58 performance, promises,
25:00 and claims. But the main thing
25:02 was to get out of the National Assembly,
25:04 Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq,
25:06 and to break both the Subahi Assemblies.
25:08 He got himself out of the system.
25:10 If you think about it,
25:12 both the Subahi Assemblies
25:14 were under his government.
25:16 He was the biggest party in the National Assembly.
25:18 He was present.
25:20 He would not have been in that fight
25:22 in which he would have lost.
25:24 Today, he would have been
25:26 relevant.
25:28 He would have been more relevant in the system.
25:30 And today, this would not have happened.
25:32 Neither of the party nor of him.
25:34 Okay. Mr. Amir Ilyas,
25:36 we will talk about the other mistakes.
25:38 But, they say that in politics,
25:40 the doors are not closed.
25:42 As I mentioned earlier,
25:44 and you must have heard Murad Raaz's
25:46 thought, he says that those who
25:48 spoke about negotiations,
25:50 the doors were closed for them.
25:52 Do you think this was the type of action
25:54 that caused the loss and this was wrong?
25:56 Whatever happened.
25:58 Mr. Bhatti's talks have two aspects.
26:00 First, how useless
26:02 Nawaz Sharif was.
26:04 And second, how Imran Khan
26:06 was the most capable.
26:08 All these people kept
26:10 talking about how good
26:12 a new Pakistan could be.
26:14 And how Mr. Khan could
26:16 fix it. The centres of
26:18 his power that he mentioned,
26:20 they were not bringing anyone into the picture.
26:22 Obviously, when a person is told
26:24 that you have to make decisions,
26:26 and we are with you,
26:28 and we are with you in every way,
26:30 the court is with you, the establishment is with you,
26:32 and everyone raised their hands.
26:34 What can we do? You have appointed
26:36 a very good man, who only
26:38 sold social media.
26:40 It is said that
26:42 he ruled over social media
26:44 and he crossed the threshold
26:46 of Pakistan. You know that
26:48 75% of the loans that were not taken
26:50 in 75 years, were taken by
26:52 Mr. Khan in 3.5 years.
26:54 Because he knew how to sell
26:56 statements on social media,
26:58 and our friends sell them.
27:00 And it is a very good thing that
27:02 Pakistan may or may not stand,
27:04 Pakistan's army may or may not stand,
27:06 and Pakistan's institutions may or may not stand,
27:08 but you should have powerful statements
27:10 on social media. When you, Mir Jafar Sadiq,
27:12 say, then obviously on social media
27:14 you took care of Pakistan
27:16 without making those statements, and our friends
27:18 kept participating in it. You did not remember
27:20 any interview, where
27:22 you sat in someone's washroom,
27:24 and in some PM house, you lay in a tub.
27:26 Which people, where were you brought?
27:28 We do not change this. We just forget.
27:30 That here,
27:32 who was pampering
27:34 which place, and today those same people
27:36 on social media, to make themselves
27:38 dollars,
27:40 have gone to the other side, have stood up.
27:42 The fifth war generation
27:44 that gave birth to them,
27:46 they are also going out of Pakistan and giving speeches against them.
27:48 I am not talking about our two friends sitting here.
27:50 Keep this in mind.
27:52 They are sitting here and talking.
27:54 And here we talk to each other.
27:56 Here, there is no such difference.
27:58 The real thing is that
28:00 this was not a planned program.
28:02 No person or PM
28:04 has received love like yours.
28:06 That you just keep doing it,
28:08 we will keep supporting you.
28:10 If any PM gets this work,
28:12 now people are also
28:14 very angry with Shahbaz Sharif.
28:16 That you did not perform.
28:18 Because if he had defaulted this country,
28:20 then he would have said,
28:22 everything was fine, because he wanted to make Sri Lanka.
28:24 If he started saving Pakistan,
28:26 it is his fault, Mr. Dar.
28:28 He claimed with arrogance
28:30 that he was in the dollar.
28:32 He should not have done it.
28:34 But this is the reality that when Imran Khan
28:36 made a treaty with the world,
28:38 with IMF,
28:40 that was not the treaty of Imran Khan and IMF,
28:42 that was the treaty of Pakistan.
28:44 He broke it.
28:46 He reduced the prices of electricity, petrol and gas.
28:48 He made people happy.
28:50 And kept selling American stocks.
28:52 So he became the most accepted.
28:54 Because we have a standard on social media.
28:56 Where has he brought Pakistan?
28:58 He also apologizes on social media.
29:00 That we made mistakes on 9th May.
29:02 Shah Mahmood Qureshi left the Supreme Court
29:04 and said that I had supported him that day.
29:06 I have been humiliated a lot.
29:08 When Fawad Chaudhry said publicly
29:10 where there is press talk,
29:12 that you had to support inside.
29:14 He said, what happened to me yesterday,
29:16 when I said that we go to history,
29:18 which was coming on 25th July,
29:20 I cannot tell you.
29:22 There, statements were sold only in public.
29:24 He said, fix it on social media,
29:26 fix our rating,
29:28 even if Pakistan's rating goes to hell.
29:30 So today we are sitting there,
29:32 where it becomes very difficult to have a discussion.
29:34 Because you have arguments,
29:36 that your statements should be sold.
29:38 You need ratings on social media.
29:40 You will not get any discussion for Pakistan.
29:42 That your question was before the break,
29:44 that will anyone sit and find a solution to the problem.
29:46 Because without sitting,
29:48 the matter will not happen.
29:50 And when Khan sir,
29:52 was talking,
29:54 he remembered PDM, but with the establishment.
29:56 Even today,
29:58 the people who are standing with him,
30:00 if you talk privately,
30:02 they say, we cannot even go inside and talk to the lawyer.
30:04 Khan sir gets angry,
30:06 next time our name will be cut.
30:08 There is also a rush there,
30:10 that our group should get the ticket,
30:12 we will fight the election.
30:14 Because there is no close discussion,
30:16 that make a way in Pakistan,
30:18 that the party should also stand.
30:20 Because they will come from the courts.
30:22 If they fight the election,
30:24 until their decision is not made by Islamabad High Court,
30:26 they cannot fight the election.
30:28 Because they have two punishments.
30:30 Whatever other things they do,
30:32 but for politics, you should have state institutions in Pakistan.
30:34 The people who are there,
30:36 should find a way to talk to them.
30:38 Now you will say that the conversation is a mess.
30:40 So there should be a mess, there should be anger too.
30:42 But you should not attack your own country,
30:44 with your own people.
30:46 Right.
30:48 Mr. Ali, what do you say?
30:50 Rejecting the offer of negotiations,
30:52 appointing Usman Bhojdar as the minister,
30:54 and then being adamant on this,
30:56 and then this Farah Gogi episode,
30:58 which is opening new chapters of corruption,
31:00 is this one of the serious mistakes?
31:02 Look, if any government has made a mistake,
31:04 and the government did not run properly,
31:06 then its decision is made in the elections.
31:08 Now the impression that is being given,
31:10 that as elections were coming,
31:12 and people left the National Assembly,
31:14 one assembly, they broke two assemblies,
31:16 they broke the constitution,
31:18 was this a violation of the constitution?
31:20 In this, you tell me,
31:22 if there is even one thing that is a violation of the constitution,
31:24 why did the friends who ruled for 16 months,
31:26 why did they break the assembly a day or two earlier?
31:28 They should have let the assembly term be completed.
31:30 Because they needed time.
31:32 Navya Roz, then in Navya Roz elections were held.
31:34 So to say that at that time,
31:36 they had to get an election,
31:38 and as a result of the negotiations,
31:40 no, there was nothing like that at all.
31:42 Did the PDM make their government fall,
31:44 that they will give them elections after a month?
31:46 If this is what you are saying,
31:48 then you should have given them elections on time.
31:50 When elections were being held in two provinces,
31:52 the PDM's communities had to negotiate with Imran Khan,
31:56 and give them elections after a week.
31:58 But the elections that are written in the mirror of Pakistan,
32:00 in Navya Roz,
32:02 the PDM's government did not allow them to be held.
32:04 The representatives were presented against him,
32:06 in the National Assembly,
32:08 the Supreme Court's decision was made,
32:10 and it was made fun of.
32:12 So now, whose consciousness are we insulting?
32:14 That, sir, elections were going to be held there,
32:16 but you did not allow elections to be held according to the mirror.
32:18 So how were you going to allow elections to be held at that time?
32:20 So these are just simple things.
32:22 Even now, look,
32:24 in Navya Roz elections are not being held in Wafaq.
32:26 And now, how the current court has given the date of elections,
32:28 that is also in front of us.
32:30 And we are being told that
32:32 elections are going to be held in 2022.
32:34 I will talk to you according to the evidence that is in front of me.
32:36 Secondly,
32:38 now, the statements that are made,
32:40 there are allegations of corruption,
32:42 in the past,
32:44 there were no allegations on the habits of certain Moses,
32:46 there were no allegations on the habits of certain Moses,
32:48 there were no allegations on the habits of certain Moses,
32:50 there were no allegations on the habits of certain Moses,
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