"Jis Ko Aashirwad Mile Wo Khush Aur Jisko...", Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar's Big Statement

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00:00 The case is complicated.

00:02 Apart from this, Mian's conviction is still pending.

00:07 He was temporarily given relief to go out of the treatment centre.

00:10 But his convictions stand.

00:12 Until they are set aside, the path for Mian could not be opened.

00:18 And the inauspiciousness of the Supreme Court,

00:21 this will also be brought to the Supreme Court again,

00:24 where another legalisation,

00:27 the term of inauspiciousness, has been defined for five years.

00:31 Now a petitioner will reach there,

00:34 let's see what the Supreme Court gives its opinion on that.

00:36 But let's cut a cut from all these things.

00:39 In the beginning, you used the word 'political theatre'.

00:44 For the people of Pakistan, this is nothing more than a political theatre.

00:48 Because there are some characters in front of them,

00:51 those characters are so entangled in the chain of power

00:54 that their lives are disconnected from theirs.

00:57 Today, when we are talking about all this,

00:59 when elections will take place,

01:01 frankly tell me, what is the solution for any party

01:04 to solve the problems of the people of Pakistan?

01:07 A practical solution.

01:09 There is no discussion on that.

01:10 Everyone is asking for a level playing field.

01:12 And level playing field, in simple words,

01:14 means that we should get blessings.

01:16 Whoever gets blessings today, will be happy.

01:19 And whoever does not get it, will be a fool.

01:22 And being a fool, he will demand like an angry child,

01:25 that I should also get it.

01:27 You are right that the elections of 2008 and 2013 were relatively better.

01:31 But the way Imran Khan was supported with one heart and one soul,

01:35 he was brought into the government,

01:37 and as a result of that, the controversial elections,

01:40 we should not forget that RTS also failed.

01:43 And when all these things were happening,

01:45 could there be a rest in Pakistan?

01:48 Those communities who saw the failure of RTS,

01:51 they sat at home peacefully.

01:53 They did not let Imran Khan to rule.

01:55 So in the upcoming election,

01:57 if the level playing field is not good according to the public,

02:02 if there are no free and fair elections,

02:04 then will the loser let those people rule?

02:07 The ones who are sitting in the government?

02:09 It will remain dysfunctional.

02:10 It will remain dysfunctional.

02:11 We have to remove this contradiction,

02:13 eventually, at some point,

02:15 that where do we want to take this country,

02:18 what is the role of this institution and how much should it be?

02:21 We have not been able to resolve this contradiction yet.

02:24 And because of not resolving this contradiction,

02:26 Pakistan is suffering losses, 25 crore people are suffering losses.

02:29 There is no capacity, frankly, no one has the capacity.

02:31 No political agency or capacity is present in any political party.

02:34 I think, what should I say, there is audacity.

02:38 If I may say.

02:39 In that, Maria, if we keep the context of the conversation,

02:45 that where do we want to take Pakistan?

02:48 Today we are 25 crore, tomorrow we will be 30 crore,

02:51 then we will be 35 crore.

02:53 This is the explosion of such a large population.

02:57 For them, there is no health, no education, no justice in this country.

03:02 So until we do not resolve these disrespectful fights,

03:05 people will keep suffering.

03:07 Now the country will not be run by anyone.

03:08 No one will run it.

03:09 Governance has already become so complex.

03:12 Examples are present in front of us.

03:14 They are doing all this with good intentions,

03:16 like the SIFC was made.

03:18 But this is not working.

03:20 No result has been revealed yet.

03:23 You are trying to do fire fighting,

03:25 that this thing should be privatized, this thing should be privatized.

03:28 But this is not a long term solution.

03:30 And this will also happen with political stability.

03:32 Exactly.

03:33 Political stability.

03:34 Let me take the debate a little further.

03:36 Amir sir, Amir Ilyas Rana,

03:37 today there are actually two Amirs in our show.

03:39 Amir Ilyas Rana sir, I talked about the level playing field.

03:42 I also presented a history of the last 20 years.

03:45 What do you think is the current situation?

03:48 What should be the definition of a level playing field according to you?

03:52 And secondly, are Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan

03:55 both being excluded from the electoral process?

03:58 Look, drama, theatre, whatever is said is fine.

04:02 And the level playing field that Mustafa sir talked about,

04:05 that is the establishment.

04:07 Nothing else is happening.

04:09 Imran Khan sir also remembered the night of 4th August,

04:12 PDM and the establishment again.

04:14 That you see, when the next morning he knew that there was going to be a punishment.

04:18 And there is no party here that what they are demanding from whom.

04:23 If the People's Party talks about PMLN,

04:26 then they are still talking about the establishment.

04:29 That in Sindh, the effort that is being made in the system,

04:32 I will just say the word effort,

04:34 after 15 years of hard work, a system,

04:36 that is being made with a lot of hard work,

04:39 it is not easy to break it and break it.

04:41 Especially when they know that the game may come back in their hands,

04:44 that is, in the hands of the People's Party,

04:46 then people do not go.

04:48 Efforts are being made, but it is not being done.

04:51 Rest, you see the politics of Pakistan in the same way,

04:54 that PTI has been cut to size.

04:57 Maybe a little more will happen.

04:59 They will not find a way.

05:01 And you yourself told about Nawaz Sharif sir

05:04 when the elections were held in 2008,

05:07 and he came only when Muhtarma Benazir Bhutto came to Pakistan.

05:10 He was also from Saudi Arabia, from exile, he also got permission.

05:13 Because General Musharraf had told both that these two will not be in the election.

05:17 And when Muhtarma came, Nawaz Sharif also came,

05:19 that thing is not hidden.

05:21 And things came and Musharraf sir got out of hand.

05:24 No doubt, Muhtarma was assassinated.

05:26 But the People's Party got the role at that time.

05:30 Asif Ali Zardari sir took care of it.

05:32 And the new candidates in Punjab were defeated.

05:37 At that time, they were beaten up people and found a way and people voted.

05:40 Now the situation is that in 2018,

05:43 the way the PMLN was closed,

05:46 despite this, the PMLN chose to stay in the political arena,

05:49 did not attack the state,

05:51 and took out a chance for himself that his people are fighting the election.

05:54 Khan sir's knowledge is that what he did on 25th May,

05:57 and the literal condemnation,

05:59 that is not discussed further.

06:02 I am doing this because you asked what is happening.

06:05 Look, the press release of the Corps Commanders and the Formation Commanders came twice.

06:10 Then there were many meetings.

06:12 Then 120A was filed on Khan sir two weeks ago in Punjab.

06:16 And that was in reference to 9th May.

06:19 And 25th May, 9th May, 25th May, I gave the reference on the 2nd.

06:24 Now you see what is going to happen.

06:27 Whatever the High Court decides tomorrow, there are 25 witnesses.

06:30 But in every 2 minutes, the statement of the government employees will be made.

06:34 And within a month, it has to be decided.

06:37 So this is clear.

06:38 And when Nawaz Sharif is coming, he will also be decided in two days.

06:41 Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, you and we will know which High Court he is going to.

06:44 And what are the High Courts saying?

06:46 So we will have to wait for bail.

06:49 Then all those who you mentioned that it cannot be done.

06:53 No, no, there is no problem with bail.

06:55 That is the thing that takes part inside.

06:58 That will be minus one or minus two, I am asking specifically.

07:01 That is not bail.

07:02 I am clear.

07:03 If bail is being done, then election will also be done.

07:06 Because there is no life in their cases.

07:08 It is a political case.

07:09 It is clear.

07:10 When Maryam Nawaz was released, the High Court asked if there is any evidence against Nawaz Sharif.

07:14 So the prosecutors of NAB who are still present, who were present at that time,

07:18 who were also present at that time when the case of Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz was going on in the court of appeal.

07:22 Sardar Muzaffar, I am telling you by taking their name.

07:24 He said no, we do not have it.

07:26 So he said, okay, because we have appealed pending.

07:28 When he comes, we will see.

07:30 There is nothing in that case.

07:31 It is just an absconding thing.

07:33 Sir, it is a coconut thing.

07:34 According to the Election Act, you have done it in five years.

07:37 Yes, I have done it.

07:39 See, those five years are absolutely clear.

07:41 Sir, but that is also debatable.

07:42 But this question will remain till the end.

07:43 That is also debatable.

07:44 I am saying the same thing, Maria.

07:46 This will remain until their documents are not challenged in different courts.

07:51 From where they will fight the election.

07:52 Okay.

07:53 From which place they will get relief or not.

07:55 So in both cases, he will go to the next court.

07:57 Till their documents are not final, you and I will keep discussing.

08:00 Okay.

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