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Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Naeem Haider Panjutha (Lawyer)
- Barrister Danyal Chaudhry PMLN
- Syeda Shehla Raza PPP
Lawyer Naeem Haider Panjutha's reaction on Cypher case
Will PTI's legal and political problems increase further?
Nawaz Sharif Watan Wapsi Par Kya Bayaniya Lekar Ayen Ge? Barrister Danyal Chaudhry Breaks Big News
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Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Naeem Haider Panjutha (Lawyer)
- Barrister Danyal Chaudhry PMLN
- Syeda Shehla Raza PPP
Lawyer Naeem Haider Panjutha's reaction on Cypher case
Will PTI's legal and political problems increase further?
Nawaz Sharif Watan Wapsi Par Kya Bayaniya Lekar Ayen Ge? Barrister Danyal Chaudhry Breaks Big News
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04:02 Maybe he is talking about it.
04:04 Moulana Fazlur Rehman says that FATA's people have been deprived of six seats.
04:10 Obviously, these seats have been reduced from somewhere.
04:13 So, let us listen to the concerns he has shown regarding their vote.
04:20 After the Indian elections, the FATA's people have been deprived of six seats.
04:25 The PTI should not be involved in the domestic politics.
04:28 January is a month when people can vote in Khalsa, Dehradun, Ismail Khan, Lahore.
04:33 But from Khuzdar to North Balochistan, from Waziristan to Chhatral,
04:39 from Swat, Kohistan, Batgram, Sangla, Murree, these are snowy areas.
04:43 There will be no people. There is no one to vote there.
04:46 So, we will have to see if the schedule they have given us is suitable for voting.
04:52 I would like to clarify regarding the election campaign.
04:58 It is very difficult for a candidate to run an election campaign in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.
05:02 Now, let us talk about all the issues.
05:05 Let us introduce the guests.
05:07 Barrister Daniyal Chaudhry is with us.
05:10 He is the Director of Pakistan Muslim League.
05:12 Thank you very much for taking out time for us.
05:14 With him, Naeem Haider Panjuta is with us.
05:18 He is a lawyer. He is a Pakistan Justice Activist.
05:20 And with him, Shehla Raza Sahiba is a representative of Pakistan People's Party.
05:24 She is also with us.
05:26 Thank you all for joining us.
05:27 First of all, let us talk about the issue that we did not discuss.
05:34 The case of the cipher was filed.
05:37 And it was said that two persons were involved in the case.
05:41 The FIA accused Chairman PTI and Shah Mahmood Qureshi.
05:47 And they were tried and punished.
05:50 So, Mr. Panjuta, was it on the cards that this is what is going to happen or will it happen?
05:56 The situation is that the cipher case that was filed,
06:04 and according to that, the government was also overthrown.
06:07 And the same Prime Minister was removed and then the FIA was filed on him after one and a half years.
06:13 First of all, let me tell you that this contract, according to the FIA, does not apply to the Official Secret Act.
06:21 Now, if it has been filed, then first it has been delayed.
06:25 In that, there is a bail. Sometimes the judge is on leave, sometimes the prosecution is not available.
06:29 The bail that has been dismissed below, we have not seen any such evidence,
06:35 any such evidence that is written in the order that on these grounds, Mr. Imran Khan's bail is cancelled.
06:45 The bail that was cancelled, we saw that when we spoke to the judge,
06:52 there was no evidence that there was any record.
06:54 It was just written that there are many unsuitable, unproven evidences.
07:00 What evidence is found? The first thing is that these codes are not shared.
07:05 Always on sharing codes, which is a threat to national security,
07:09 then the case of the Official Secret Act is filed.
07:13 The codes are not shared, it is called declassified.
07:16 Then the word of political purpose was used.
07:19 In this, you will see that Mr. Asad Umar's bail is withdrawn because the prosecution goes there and gives a statement
07:26 that there is no need for Mr. Asad Umar, we do not get evidence against him.
07:30 In all cases, the prosecution has the same role.
07:33 I was surprised, in fact, I wanted to ask you that Mr. Asad Umar's name is not included in the list of accused.
07:39 Is there any special reason for this favor?
07:41 Look, the thing is that the list of accused that has been made, which is nominated in this case,
07:47 first of all, this case is wrong, on the second number, this matter of pick and choose,
07:52 you must be seeing this too, apart from that, look at the whole of Pakistan.
07:56 Where there were press conferences, all the cases of those leaders were also closed,
08:02 anti-corruption was also silenced, the FIA was also silenced, the police was also silenced.
08:07 And the place where the person is arguing, he has been loyal to Imran Khan,
08:12 there are charges against him, there are cases against him.
08:15 Now, by tracking this matter very quickly, with reference to Khan,
08:20 because when we presented the last paper, the court said that the next 26 dates are coming,
08:26 charges should be filed on them.
08:28 Now we know that according to the regime, how long does the charge take,
08:32 it is being shown very quickly in this, that Mr. Khan should be punished as soon as possible in this case,
08:37 and he should be expelled from the election.
08:39 And for this, because our request has been pending for two months with reference to Adiala Jail,
08:44 the decision is made immediately on that request, now the court will shift to Adiala Jail,
08:50 and it is going towards day-to-day proceedings.
08:52 Mr. Khan is also getting a lot of powers there, restrictions have been imposed on him,
08:58 you cannot walk, you cannot sit, he was kept in this condition that mentally tortured,
09:03 as it was done on Imran Rai, the same way it is being done with the legal team.
09:09 I will take an opinion on this later, then I will come back to you.
09:14 Mr. Daniyal, you please tell us, obviously, this matter, one, the announcement was made,
09:19 the second is that Asad Umar's name is not included, then Naeem is also saying that
09:24 the people who were adamant, the proceedings against them were made strict,
09:28 those who backed off a little, so by not mentioning their name,
09:32 is it not giving the impression that they have backed off a little from their cause?
09:36 How are other parties looking at this?
09:39 Look, the brother who was talking earlier, he said that how Imran Khan Sahib is being
09:46 oppressed and I don't know what, and barbarism is happening,
09:49 he is in a very good situation, in a very good compound,
09:52 and tell me one thing, what has happened to his people?
09:56 Friday, Friday, four days, five days, two months,
09:59 his fortieth was not completed on 9th May, when he treated Pakistan,
10:04 so half of his people ran away.
10:06 What responsibility will they give to someone?
10:09 His community was a Tanga party, it was made mechanically,
10:14 it was adjusted that the democracy of Pakistan should be derailed,
10:19 and when this incident of theirs happened, and when the fizzle was out on them,
10:24 when cases were made, then it was revealed to you what was behind it,
10:28 how Imran Khan kept provoking people and people ran away.
10:31 Today, no one is ready to bear the burden of Imran Khan,
10:34 everyone knows one thing that whatever was done, Imran Khan himself did it,
10:38 and because of that, his community ran away, and there is no other problem.
10:42 The second thing you said, that here is being done on like and dislike,
10:46 see, first of all, if I tell you about the incidents of 9th May,
10:49 that the people who were involved in the incidents of 9th May,
10:52 even today, whether they do a press conference or not,
10:56 whatever it is, they are involved in the same way, and case trials are going on.
10:59 The second thing is about the cipher, see, separate the cipher and this a little,
11:04 that Imran Khan kept fighting in your hands,
11:07 Imran Khan dissolved the parliament on the cipher,
11:10 either he says that the cipher in the parliament,
11:13 now he can't say that he took the papers and kept waving them,
11:19 those were lies, it was a secret document of Pakistan,
11:22 which was circulated all over the world.
11:24 No, sir, I will come to you, let him complete first.
11:27 He kept taking documents of Pakistan by saying lies,
11:30 and he took Pakistan's sovereignty,
11:33 for their own personal reasons, for his own personal benefit,
11:37 you have spoiled your relationship with America, China, your country, your neighbors.
11:44 You have made yourself a corner of your own country,
11:48 so now you run and say that these papers were false,
11:52 or that cipher was not real, or that cipher was fake,
11:55 we will understand its research and things in the trial itself,
11:58 and we will see it in the trial itself.
12:00 Let's see, let's see, when this happens,
12:02 then how things will be seen further,
12:05 we have to take an answer from Shaila Raza Sahiba,
12:07 but we have to go to a break, we will come after the break.
12:09 Welcome back to the show,
12:14 and we were talking about how this cipher case has reached to where,
12:18 Shaila Raza Sahiba is also with us,
12:20 Shaila Aapa, we had to go because of the breaking,
12:23 please tell us, from People's Party's perspective,
12:27 how are you seeing this case,
12:30 because the way Naeem Haider is talking,
12:33 or the way it is being talked from PTI's side,
12:35 they talk about victimization, that they are being targeted in a way,
12:39 Noor League has its own perspective,
12:41 how are you seeing this whole matter?
12:43 Okay, see, this is not a long time ago,
12:48 it is March 2021,
12:52 that Imran Sahib had circulated the cipher in Islamabad,
12:57 okay, then after that, some audio leaks came,
13:02 that we have to play with this,
13:04 then it was said that making minutes is our job.
13:08 Now, all this is in its place,
13:12 but the investigations of FIA at this time,
13:16 after that, the case has to go to the court,
13:19 how the court will do it, is not our problem,
13:23 and the way we heard,
13:28 all day today, we heard the clarification of different people,
13:32 from different sources,
13:34 according to that, the situation is very serious,
13:38 if the FIA's statement is correct,
13:42 and according to that, something is happening,
13:45 then it will be a sad situation,
13:49 but we do not wish that any political leader goes to such an extent,
13:56 that such cases are made against him,
13:58 so the rest, the political thing,
14:01 I will definitely say that,
14:04 we all know that this was a project,
14:08 which was put on the country as a third option,
14:12 and that is why, I understand that,
14:16 during the time of Shahid Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
14:19 there was no social media,
14:21 there was only a PTV, which Zia-ul-Haq took with him,
14:24 he used to run it from his house,
14:26 but there was a movement, people used to get beaten,
14:30 everything used to happen,
14:31 his people said for two days that we have left the party,
14:34 then after that, they went to the Istekam party,
14:37 or they are going to some other party,
14:42 even though they were electable,
14:44 there was always a fight in their party,
14:46 that they have given electable,
14:48 every time PTI chairman used to say that I will give the ticket myself,
14:51 but the organization was not standing with them,
14:54 now after the seats are reduced,
14:56 it will be around 750 or less,
14:59 MP, MNS, there will be a number,
15:01 give a call,
15:02 gather 750 people in one place,
15:05 there was no protest,
15:07 no protest,
15:08 no violence,
15:09 no violence,
15:10 and I just want to say that
15:15 may Allah not do wrong with anyone,
15:18 because we have suffered,
15:20 we have suffered to the extent that
15:22 my leader was a judicial murder,
15:25 we have suffered to the extent that
15:27 he was in jail for 11 and a half years,
15:29 his tongue was cut,
15:30 we have suffered to the extent that
15:32 he was dragged to the jail in the middle of the night,
15:38 he was hospitalized himself,
15:40 there are many false cases,
15:42 what details can I give,
15:44 so in this way,
15:46 for 3 years and 8 months,
15:48 everyone was politically victimized,
15:50 now we are talking about FIA,
15:52 FIA called me just because
15:54 one number which is not even safe in my mobile,
15:58 that person sent me his speech
16:02 which he had made against the Chief Justice,
16:04 so I was called because
16:06 when we saw that person's phone,
16:08 you have also been sent,
16:10 so you did not make it viral,
16:12 can you give us your mobile?
16:15 This is the way,
16:17 what I got is my property,
16:19 and NAB sent me 33 questions because
16:23 I was a member of the governing body of NICVD,
16:27 so the minutes they sent me,
16:29 according to them,
16:31 NICVD will appoint some people,
16:37 and through NGO they will be given salary,
16:41 the question was that why was that person appointed,
16:44 and why was he paid about 100 million,
16:49 which did not match the minutes,
16:52 but I was asked 33 questions,
16:55 Faryal Sahiba's father's company,
16:57 which was named after his death,
16:59 that company did a 1.5 crore transaction
17:02 through the bank from another company,
17:06 it was done between two private companies,
17:08 not with the government,
17:10 so let's move forward from that,
17:12 they took all these references,
17:14 so we understand what is wrong,
17:16 we want that whatever is wrong,
17:18 should be according to the law,
17:20 that is your point,
17:22 I got your point,
17:24 you wanted to say something,
17:26 when Mr. Daniyal was saying,
17:28 but I would like to add one thing,
17:31 I would like to know from you,
17:33 that the cases that are going on,
17:35 on the basis of this,
17:37 PTI's future,
17:39 and especially in elections,
17:41 do you think the chairman PTI will be able to participate?
17:44 You have asked two very important questions,
17:50 the first is that if Allah wants,
17:54 there is no one in the world
17:56 who can separate someone from something,
17:59 or life and death are in the hands of Allah,
18:02 and the world's honor and humiliation is in the hands of Allah,
18:05 if I talk about the cases,
18:07 these are all political cases,
18:09 there is no such case that is legal,
18:11 all cases have been made politically,
18:13 they are talking about Cypher,
18:15 that it was fought,
18:17 and the Prime Minister Rana Sanawala,
18:19 in his government,
18:21 he himself said that the original Cypher,
18:25 is now in the foreign office,
18:28 then the FI, who has filed this case,
18:31 he himself said that Cypher is there,
18:34 there is a complainant, Interior Safety,
18:37 you see that the FI comes under him,
18:40 and under him, all this is done,
18:43 and the court has been shifted to jail,
18:46 where a secret investigation is done,
18:49 and such an order is presented to the world,
18:52 that see this is a criminal case,
18:54 why not open trial,
18:56 when there is no case in the secret courts,
18:58 there is a case, declassified Cypher,
19:00 and a case was filed on it,
19:02 why not open trial,
19:04 but Mr. Bajoda, there is another aspect to this,
19:06 in this, Mr. Azam Khan,
19:08 Mr. Azam Khan's presence in this,
19:11 and his statement of 161 and 164,
19:13 he says that you don't drop electricity on the Nasheman,
19:16 so do you think that can be problematic for you?
19:20 See, the thing is that,
19:22 I take 50 statements of 164,
19:24 or 100 statements of 161,
19:26 it doesn't matter to me,
19:28 because if someone is kidnapped,
19:31 and he is forced to take a statement,
19:33 and after a month he is proven,
19:35 that this man went to his friend's house,
19:38 because in a month,
19:40 he did not call anyone and tell,
19:42 his family members,
19:44 that I am going to my friend's house,
19:46 he is suddenly proven,
19:48 and he is taking a statement,
19:50 so what is the use of that statement?
19:52 On the second number,
19:54 in reference to 9th May,
19:56 or in reference to Cypher,
19:58 in reference to Cypher,
20:00 Imran Khan had written a letter to his Supreme Court,
20:02 to the Sabar-e-Pakistan,
20:04 that there should be free investigations on this,
20:06 why not,
20:08 in reference to 9th May,
20:10 every journalist, lawyer,
20:12 and every person should be accessible,
20:14 so that everything comes in front,
20:16 in reference to Narayana,
20:18 there is no such allegation on Imran Khan,
20:20 in reference to the courts,
20:22 and all the cases,
20:24 because they are political,
20:26 like the case of Tushar Khan,
20:28 where the evidence was spent,
20:30 Inshallah, we have filed a questionnaire in this case,
20:32 tell me one thing,
20:34 after that, basically,
20:36 Mr. Dhaniyal will also add something,
20:38 I wanted to ask you one thing,
20:40 that this matter of Asad Umar,
20:42 I have mentioned it earlier,
20:44 you yourself said that the people who stood up,
20:46 there were cases against them,
20:48 they were punished,
20:50 the ones who backed off, they were released,
20:52 so the party, within the party sentiment,
20:54 the way Asad Umar's name was not mentioned,
20:56 there is a bit of a doubt,
20:58 how did this happen?
21:00 See, the thing is,
21:02 if you want to take a statement about the party,
21:04 then the party should give a statement,
21:06 that the overall case that has been filed,
21:08 the overall case is false,
21:10 and the contents are not genuine at all,
21:12 now if you leave one person,
21:14 leave two,
21:16 all the people who have been implicated,
21:18 all of them,
21:20 were made only politically.
21:22 Khan Sahib, Inshallah, will be out,
21:24 Khan Sahib will lead the election,
21:26 right now, in the country,
21:28 the justice system of Pakistan,
21:30 everyone can see that they are winning,
21:32 and that is why they are delaying,
21:34 why don't they go towards the election,
21:36 why don't they say that the election is being held,
21:38 see, you are giving a legal statement,
21:40 and then you have come to a political statement,
21:42 ok, let's go,
21:44 let's go, Danyal Sahib,
21:46 basically the matter has become political,
21:48 so basically tell me,
21:50 that what we were talking about in the beginning,
21:52 earlier, on 18th,
21:54 the statement that came,
21:56 that was something else,
21:58 they have emphasized on accountability,
22:00 which everyone said,
22:02 but what happened suddenly,
22:04 that after that,
22:06 the situation has changed,
22:08 and now the matter has been left to Allah,
22:10 all this happened by itself,
22:12 or some revelation happened from somewhere,
22:14 see, the brother who was speaking,
22:16 he said that this is a political case,
22:18 let me tell him that the incident of 9th May,
22:20 when you set fire to the whole country,
22:22 when you tried to break the whole country,
22:24 this is not a political case,
22:26 this is a case of treachery with your country,
22:28 when you have your international airlines,
22:30 Pakistan International Airlines,
22:32 on the request of their minister,
22:34 gave a statement,
22:36 that it should become a Devo bus,
22:38 and only from Peshawar to Lahore,
22:40 and from Lahore to Karachi,
22:42 and what is the name,
22:44 all international flights should be closed,
22:46 which your enemy could not do,
22:48 this is not a political case,
22:50 FIA has investigated other things,
22:52 wherever you have worked,
22:54 and the way you have been hostile to this country,
22:56 I am sorry, this is not a political case,
22:58 the way you have treated this country,
23:00 all these things are not political,
23:02 politics was when you,
23:04 Danyal bhai, please don't mention the past,
23:06 this is a little, 15-16 months back,
23:08 till then you can put responsibility on them,
23:10 no, no, 15-16 months back,
23:12 whatever it is,
23:14 till today, it is more than 2017,
23:16 we have, for 17 months,
23:18 or 15 months, whatever they got,
23:20 they did fire fighting,
23:22 against which fire fighting,
23:24 Imran Khan, IMF, see, tell me,
23:26 leaving the APEC, 60 billion,
23:28 a person's mind gives the answer,
23:30 leaving the 60 billion project,
23:32 where you had to put power corridors,
23:34 you took Kashkol for 4 billion,
23:36 you went to ask for money,
23:38 and made the whole country Diwali,
23:40 your country, your whole country,
23:42 went at halt,
23:44 you put electricity factories,
23:46 you had to put transmission lines,
23:48 because of your political numbers,
23:50 Danyal sir, do you know what is the problem?
23:52 the problem is, first Mifta sahib came,
23:54 then 13 jamaats came together,
23:56 including the People's Party,
23:58 in that we saw,
24:00 that unfortunately,
24:02 now you are putting all these things on PTI,
24:04 but the ones who came to do fire fighting,
24:06 while doing fire fighting,
24:08 it became a matter of burn to ashes,
24:10 and you should also realise that,
24:12 this is a very difficult situation for the people,
24:14 and it is obvious that,
24:16 the sentiments of the people,
24:18 are also not in favour of the political parties,
24:20 which were a part of the government at that time,
24:22 so you should also consider this.
24:24 Ok, I understand what you are saying,
24:26 now tell me,
24:28 you are saying that,
24:30 at the corner of a road,
24:32 a person met with an accident,
24:34 he is injured,
24:36 and you are wearing a new BOSKI dress,
24:38 you should not go near him,
24:40 because if you pick him up,
24:42 your dress will get ruined,
24:44 we agree that our dress got ruined,
24:46 but to save this country,
24:48 to save the economy of this country,
24:50 we should not go near the road,
24:52 but what we are saying today,
24:54 I will add to this,
24:56 what you asked,
24:58 if we leave our sentiments,
25:00 to Allah,
25:02 because for us,
25:04 the most important thing is,
25:06 the sovereignty of Pakistan,
25:08 the continuity of the economy of Pakistan,
25:10 and the poor,
25:12 who are giving bad words,
25:14 and are crying,
25:16 and are cursing those people,
25:18 who have derailed a car,
25:20 while driving,
25:22 and today Pakistan is suffering,
25:24 because of these people,
25:26 we should leave all these things,
25:28 and we should move forward,
25:30 and we should take the country forward,
25:32 and we are saying,
25:34 we want the elections to happen tomorrow,
25:36 because we are the only Jamaat,
25:38 who can talk about deliverance,
25:40 we are the only Jamaat,
25:42 who can say that,
25:44 in our 20 years, 5 years, 2 years of work,
25:46 this is the program,
25:48 this is the Jamaat,
25:50 where their leaders used to start their tube wells,
25:52 and their other MNAs used to start U-turns,
25:54 I have these pictures,
25:56 that these people,
25:58 in the last 4 years,
26:00 you couldn't tell the name of a country in Islamabad,
26:02 we have done so much work for the development of Pakistan,
26:04 and tell me one thing,
26:06 today we all know,
26:08 that our country is in that situation,
26:10 where it has not reached till now,
26:12 now what is the solution for this,
26:14 we will talk about it,
26:16 but if we talk about it question to question,
26:18 then we will get a chance to give everyone an opportunity,
26:20 Shaila Sahiba, tell me,
26:22 the People's Party,
26:24 in its own way,
26:26 we have seen many things,
26:28 that the People's Party has learnt a lot,
26:30 obviously,
26:32 whatever problems,
26:34 and difficulties we have faced,
26:36 we have seen the maturity of the people's party,
26:38 in many things,
26:40 this statement,
26:42 yes, it is right,
26:44 a statement came from Noor League,
26:46 after that, in 10-12 days,
26:48 they came back,
26:50 that the matter is left to Allah,
26:52 but one person,
26:54 who has been the Prime Minister of Pakistan 3 times,
26:56 obviously, he has a good vote bank,
26:58 so there should be a political maturity,
27:00 that first, they should not give such statements,
27:02 in which there is a divide in the party,
27:04 and then they should not take it back immediately,
27:06 so is this consideration,
27:08 should such statements be given,
27:10 in the government?
27:12 Look, I want to say one thing,
27:14 that,
27:16 no one can deny this,
27:18 that how,
27:20 the third option,
27:22 to launch it,
27:24 which all parties were used,
27:26 and how,
27:28 how,
27:30 the government was disturbed,
27:32 so,
27:34 the political parties,
27:36 the calculation,
27:38 the calculation is always discussed,
27:40 and they are also calculated,
27:42 now,
27:44 they went through a difficulty,
27:46 and,
27:48 they gave one statement,
27:50 in emotions,
27:52 so,
27:54 the matters are not so good,
27:56 of Pakistan,
27:58 the matters,
28:00 when they said,
28:02 that we are doing ourselves,
28:04 apolitical,
28:06 but, the people who took the trouble,
28:08 they sometimes say something,
28:10 and,
28:12 still, the calculation,
28:14 is of the political parties,
28:16 and will continue to be.
28:18 Hmm.
28:20 So, in this case, if,
28:22 your party was also in trouble,
28:24 so, did you think of
28:26 putting this slogan this time, or,
28:28 did you not think about it?
28:30 Look, we always said,
28:32 that democracy is the best revenge,
28:34 and, we put this slogan,
28:36 that we will give elections soon,
28:38 the people should elect,
28:40 if the people think,
28:42 that there is a party in this country,
28:44 which can give crores of jobs,
28:46 can give 50 lakh houses,
28:48 saying that,
28:50 we will not go to the IMF,
28:52 in 3 years, 8 months,
28:54 the loan that two governments took in 10 years,
28:56 can take this much,
28:58 then, leave it to the people,
29:00 this is what my chairman said,
29:02 that, we have to follow the rules,
29:04 and, we have to follow the rules,
29:06 and,
29:08 the political parties,
29:10 who have complaints,
29:12 are there,
29:14 because,
29:16 the non-legal powers,
29:18 have been strengthened.
29:20 Okay.
29:22 Talking about political acceptance,
29:24 we will also discuss the Gallup survey,
29:26 but, let us take a break,
29:28 we will be back after the break.
29:30 Welcome back to the show,
29:32 we were talking,
29:34 that on one side,
29:36 it is being said,
29:38 that cases are being filed,
29:40 trials are being conducted,
29:42 on the other side,
29:44 the Gallup survey,
29:46 I will also mention that,
29:48 Naeem Haider Panjotan,
29:50 these surveys,
29:52 and, as an institution,
29:54 the army is said to have the highest trust,
29:56 we have talked about this earlier,
29:58 but, clearly,
30:00 they are accepted among the politicians,
30:02 and,
30:04 you can see,
30:06 that, Nawaz Sharif's number,
30:08 is mentioned later,
30:10 and, Bilawal's name is not mentioned,
30:12 which is a surprise for me.
30:14 So, is this reassuring,
30:16 especially, if the time is tough,
30:18 and, in such a situation,
30:20 the Gallup surveys are conducted,
30:22 and, how much do you think,
30:24 we should trust them blindly?
30:26 If we talk about the survey,
30:28 it is also a part of you,
30:30 when you are travelling,
30:32 and, you have a movement,
30:34 you go to different places,
30:36 you get to know,
30:38 like, we are going to restaurants,
30:40 petrol pumps,
30:42 in the markets,
30:44 people support Imran Khan on PTI,
30:46 because, when you have an interaction,
30:48 you feel,
30:50 what is the voice among the people.
30:52 On the other hand,
30:54 when Imran Khan conducted the Jalsa,
30:56 you saw,
30:58 how many people came,
31:00 in every city,
31:02 although, you know,
31:04 it is very difficult to conduct Jalsa
31:06 in a new city,
31:08 but, the world accepts his acceptance,
31:10 and, if they didn't,
31:12 we would have conducted the elections.
31:14 On the other hand,
31:16 Imran Khan is fighting all the cases,
31:18 he is fighting with all his might,
31:20 the people in jail,
31:22 they are not running away,
31:24 they are not running away,
31:26 they are present,
31:28 and, they are facing all the cases.
31:30 On the other hand,
31:32 if we talk about the performance,
31:34 they are saying,
31:36 that PTI's performance,
31:38 was very bad,
31:40 but, it is not like that,
31:42 despite the corona,
31:44 despite all the difficulties,
31:46 despite all the opposition,
31:48 the government was,
31:50 despite all the difficulties,
31:52 they gave a great performance,
31:54 you saw the economy,
31:56 you saw the health program,
31:58 you saw the development in the education sector,
32:00 you saw it everywhere,
32:02 we didn't talk about them,
32:04 the government they have been in,
32:06 and, the number of times they have been the Prime Minister,
32:08 if our country hasn't been able to keep up,
32:10 it is because of them,
32:12 if their policies,
32:14 it is not just about them,
32:16 there are many contributing factors,
32:18 if we talk about your government,
32:20 in the last 16 months,
32:22 so much has happened,
32:24 that people don't remember,
32:26 what happened in the end,
32:28 or, the leaders of their own Jamaat,
32:30 including Sheikh Hashid Ahmed,
32:32 what appeals they used to make,
32:34 to take care of the condition of the poor people,
32:36 but, what happened in the last 16 months,
32:38 we are unable to tell,
32:40 I got your point,
32:42 Shehla Sahiba,
32:44 I got your point,
32:46 I got your point,
32:48 Shehla Raza Sahiba,
32:50 when I was talking about the Gallup survey,
32:52 you were smiling,
32:54 and I was also saying,
32:56 that I am very happy,
32:58 I am thankful,
33:00 that they didn't mention the chairman,
33:02 which is a very good thing,
33:04 I just understand this,
33:06 that,
33:08 on one hand,
33:10 the PTI statements,
33:12 are against the establishment,
33:14 the establishment,
33:16 and,
33:18 in the survey,
33:20 both of them,
33:22 were very much liked,
33:24 so, if,
33:26 the people who are supporting the PTI,
33:28 how did they support the establishment,
33:30 this is also a matter of deep thinking,
33:32 so,
33:34 such surveys keep coming,
33:36 the real thing is,
33:38 that we have to see,
33:40 and all these statements,
33:42 are on record,
33:44 that we,
33:46 didn't come for 16 months,
33:48 to break the moon and stars,
33:50 if they wanted to give us 50 lakh jobs,
33:52 we will give 25 lakh,
33:54 we will make a house of 25 lakh,
33:56 and if they didn't give us a crore,
33:58 we will give you 50 lakh jobs,
34:00 we came because,
34:02 there was a matter of credibility of Pakistan,
34:04 they had made an agreement with IMF,
34:06 for which their finance minister,
34:08 had said,
34:10 that we have done it on very serious conditions,
34:12 they were not fulfilling that,
34:14 the levies which have now increased to 60,
34:16 in their time,
34:18 it was 50, and later it was 60,
34:20 we have fulfilled that now,
34:22 we have not made a new agreement,
34:24 we have fulfilled their agreement,
34:26 because, they take U-turn in talks,
34:28 they wanted to take U-turn by making an agreement with the world,
34:30 so,
34:32 they have given this example,
34:34 their finance minister,
34:36 they came for 3 years,
34:38 they used to experiment one after another,
34:40 so, we came to correct the credibility of Pakistan,
34:42 that the people were saying,
34:44 that the IMF was of inflation,
34:46 that they will fulfill the agreement,
34:48 so, we have fulfilled that,
34:50 and today, it is Pakistan,
34:52 if still,
34:54 the people think that they should be given,
34:56 then come out for that,
34:58 do a demonstration sometime,
35:00 let's stop the organization,
35:02 so, we don't have any problem,
35:04 we don't have any problem,
35:06 we will go for the survey,
35:08 ok, so, there is no problem with the survey,
35:10 ok, Mr. Daniyal,
35:12 I want to know,
35:14 the situation now,
35:16 the new cases have been opened,
35:18 then, 21st was given,
35:20 and now,
35:22 about the arrest,
35:24 first, explain us the legal position,
35:26 that the Noon League is understanding this,
35:28 they are getting an impression,
35:30 that Mr. Mian will come,
35:32 then, he will be welcomed,
35:34 legally, is it possible,
35:36 that before coming,
35:38 they will get relief,
35:40 that they don't have to go to jail,
35:42 first, if I talk about the survey,
35:44 that the survey,
35:46 was not accepted by the Gallup itself,
35:48 and Mr. Bilawal,
35:50 is one of the most accepted leaders,
35:52 how can it be,
35:54 that a serious,
35:56 and there is no mention of the People's Party,
35:58 so, on this point,
36:00 everyone is,
36:02 doubtful,
36:04 and as far as,
36:06 you talked about,
36:08 Mr. Nawaz Sharif's return,
36:10 see, in Pakistan,
36:12 today, the poor people,
36:14 in Pakistan, today,
36:16 the people of Pakistan,
36:18 have only one ray of hope,
36:20 and that is Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
36:22 because they know,
36:24 that the solution to their problems,
36:26 this difficult economy,
36:28 this unemployment,
36:30 that team, is with Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
36:32 and God willing,
36:34 it will be better under his leadership,
36:36 here, lakhs of people will welcome him,
36:38 here, from Punjab,
36:40 from the whole country,
36:42 from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
36:44 and Karachi,
36:46 and you will see,
36:48 a welcoming of Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
36:50 Daniyal, I am not asking that,
36:52 my question was from your legal perspective,
36:54 now, the second,
36:56 the second,
36:58 the legal perspective,
37:00 is that,
37:02 your husband, Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
37:04 has gone on bail,
37:06 in that case,
37:08 his daughter, who is accused,
37:10 and the other two, who are accused,
37:12 have been released,
37:14 and in this,
37:16 when he has gone on bail,
37:18 there were some conditions,
37:20 which, before Mr. Nawaz Sharif is released,
37:22 God willing, we will extend his bail,
37:24 and in this way,
37:26 we will extend his bail,
37:28 and then, Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
37:30 in front of the courts,
37:32 how to take him forward,
37:34 for that, we will give our application,
37:36 and we will take him forward.
37:38 The courts that will decide,
37:40 we did not do the politics of burning,
37:42 we did not do the politics of shutting down the country,
37:44 nor did we do the politics of setting fire,
37:46 and I am saying that because,
37:48 when the dollar was worth 100 rupees,
37:50 they were setting fire even then,
37:52 when the bread was worth 5 rupees,
37:54 we always submitted ourselves in front of the law,
37:56 we will submit,
37:58 and God willing, we hope,
38:00 that what will be better for that country,
38:02 for Pakistan, those decisions will be made.
38:04 Welcome back to the show,
38:12 in the last part of the program,
38:14 we were talking about Mr. Nawaz Sharif's return,
38:16 Mr. Naeem, you please tell us,
38:18 what is your assessment,
38:20 legally, this thing that
38:22 will he return or not,
38:24 and if he returns,
38:26 then he will have to go to jail,
38:28 you gave your opinion on this,
38:30 Mr. Daniyal, what do you think,
38:32 what will be the face of Mr. Nawaz Sharif?
38:34 The important thing is that,
38:36 the whole nation is welcoming Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
38:38 so I, as a lawyer,
38:40 I have not fought elections,
38:42 nor have I become an MLA,
38:44 nor have I become a senator,
38:46 so my opinion is not that,
38:48 we are welcoming him,
38:50 we are saying with happiness,
38:52 that you are doing a great favor to the country,
38:54 and the country is well,
38:56 how can he not come to the second place,
38:58 now the atmosphere has changed,
39:00 Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
39:02 the cases against him,
39:04 the family, the Sharif family,
39:06 the cases have been opened again,
39:08 and because the cases have been opened again,
39:10 now he is seeing the face again,
39:12 that if he returns,
39:14 then he will be implicated in the case again,
39:16 so after this,
39:18 the protective bail,
39:20 is given when you have to reach a particular court,
39:22 and to reach that court,
39:24 you are given protective bail,
39:26 if you are in a case,
39:28 or you have been punished,
39:30 and you are in jail,
39:32 and you have taken medical leave,
39:34 and you have gone out,
39:36 if you return,
39:38 and you are a relative,
39:40 then you will go straight to jail,
39:42 you will not be given protective bail,
39:44 fourth thing,
39:46 the dream of the minister,
39:48 or the thing that he was running,
39:50 that he will come,
39:52 and as soon as he comes,
39:54 he will become the PM,
39:56 the Supreme Court has explained
39:58 the F-162,
40:00 and according to that,
40:02 Nailee's life cannot be dominated by
40:04 the election act,
40:06 and taking advantage of the election act,
40:08 it is said that we will hold elections,
40:10 and the PM will not be able to do that,
40:12 Khan has become the stubborn of the party,
40:14 and he will come back,
40:16 and secondly,
40:18 he is being treated very badly in jail,
40:20 he has been given a ban,
40:22 that you cannot walk,
40:24 I am asking you,
40:26 you have already said this in the beginning,
40:28 I want to take the discussion forward,
40:30 Shaila Raza Sahiba,
40:32 you please say,
40:34 that the uncertainty
40:36 that is being felt regarding the elections,
40:38 Gilani sir mentioned,
40:40 that it is not happening in the last week of January,
40:42 and then Khursheed Shah sir was with us,
40:44 he was saying that it is not happening in January,
40:46 but we should have a wishful thinking,
40:48 that it should happen in the end of February,
40:50 what is being thought about the elections,
40:52 how long do you think it will be possible?
40:54 See,
40:56 our wish is that
40:58 it should happen as soon as possible,
41:00 but
41:02 the situation that we are seeing,
41:04 even after that,
41:06 we will say that
41:08 it should happen as soon as possible,
41:10 we will say that it should happen as soon as possible,
41:12 as soon as possible.
41:14 Okay.
41:16 So, if the matter goes to February,
41:18 then what will the People's Party do?
41:20 Because,
41:22 the date of the elections has not been given yet.
41:24 See,
41:26 the schedule has not come yet,
41:28 which we are very concerned about,
41:30 and
41:32 we are
41:34 repeatedly asking for the schedule to come,
41:36 but because the elections have been postponed,
41:38 and
41:40 many people are getting
41:42 objections,
41:44 I was hearing in the afternoon,
41:46 that in some places,
41:48 there should be
41:50 8.5 lakh people in the NAC,
41:52 but some are getting 9 lakh,
41:54 some are getting 10 lakh,
41:56 so, there are such objections.
41:58 So,
42:00 this is also being seen,
42:02 and
42:04 the weather is also being mentioned,
42:06 that in the January, many roads will be closed,
42:08 and many will be in many areas.
42:10 So,
42:12 I don't like the situation,
42:14 but I pray that
42:16 the elections will be held soon.
42:18 I pray.
42:20 Mr. Barrister,
42:22 regarding the elections,
42:24 there were some restrictions,
42:26 but all the other parties are talking about it,
42:28 the People's Party is also concerned,
42:30 and the number of seats has also decreased,
42:32 and
42:34 there is uncertainty.
42:36 Are you okay with it?
42:38 Is it better to delay the elections?
42:40 Or is it better to wait?
42:42 No, no, we want the elections to be held tomorrow.
42:44 And we are trying
42:46 to announce our schedule
42:48 in the election commission.
42:50 We should go into electoral politics,
42:52 and we should show our power,
42:54 and people should
42:56 use their future
42:58 and their
43:00 vote.
43:02 And the parties that prevail,
43:04 should come forward.
43:06 And I hope that the Pakistan Muslim League
43:08 will come with a majority.
43:10 Okay,
43:12 regarding this,
43:14 do you think that,
43:16 but when will the elections be held?
43:18 From a legal perspective,
43:20 what do you think is the problem?
43:22 And if the election commission is delaying it,
43:24 then there must be some reasons for it.
43:26 Look, there has been a delimitation,
43:28 and your appeals are still going on,
43:30 and you are still giving us the date.
43:32 I think we should not go ahead with this.
43:34 And we should announce the election schedule.
43:36 And the elections should be held before the elections.
43:38 And we are ready for it.
43:40 And I hope that
43:42 in the next month,
43:44 I mean in January,
43:46 the elections will be held in Pakistan.
43:48 Let's see what happens.
43:52 Thank you very much, Mr. Dawood,
43:54 Mr. Naeem Haider Panjota, and Ms. Shehla Raza
43:56 for being with us.
43:58 Everyone is claiming
44:00 that the majority will be taken by their party.
44:02 But there is still no certainty
44:04 that when will the elections be held.
44:06 The 90-day issue is in its place.
44:08 Then we were talking about January,
44:10 and now we are talking about going ahead to February.
44:12 So, until the election commission
44:14 is not certain about this issue,
44:16 until it is not announced,
44:18 then it is obvious that the election is not possible.
44:20 Then before that,
44:22 they say that there are still more tests of the case.
44:24 So, let's see how the month of October
44:26 goes ahead, when Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif
44:28 returns, how he is treated.
44:30 Only then will things be clear.
44:32 That's all for now.
44:34 I, Ashfaq Satti, take your leave. Allah Hafiz.