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00:02 - Good evening and welcome to Kent on Climate,
00:14 live on KMTV.
00:16 I'm Abbey Hook and in this show we discuss
00:18 all things related to environmental issues in the county.
00:21 How is climate change impacting Kent?
00:23 What's the communities in the county doing to tackle it?
00:26 And how can you help at home?
00:28 Each week I take a deep dive into a new environmental issue
00:31 and I'm joined by expert guests.
00:33 In today's show we're talking about plastic bans
00:35 for takeaway restaurants, illegal fish in ponds,
00:38 and how Canterbury Cathedral is tackling climate concerns.
00:41 But first, hitting the pockets of small businesses
00:44 but making them more eco-friendly at the same time.
00:47 Lewis's Fish and Grill in Maidstone
00:48 welcomes the government ban on certain plastic
00:51 but says it's already being done.
00:53 From the first of August, businesses must no longer supply,
00:56 sell or offer certain single-use plastic,
00:59 including biodegradable, compostable and recycled.
01:02 Local authorities will carry out inspections
01:04 to make sure the rules are being followed.
01:06 But will businesses stick to them?
01:07 And what practical impact will this have on our climate?
01:11 I spoke to Gavin Lewis earlier.
01:13 Gavin, thank you so much for joining me today.
01:15 My first question to you really has to be
01:17 what impact is this going to have on your business,
01:20 positive or negative?
01:23 I think that's quite a difficult one to say, really.
01:26 The thing about this situation
01:31 is that a lot of responsible fish and chip shops
01:33 or a lot of responsible small businesses
01:35 are already using a lot of bad-ass packaging anyway.
01:40 So was there real need for legislation?
01:45 I'm not sure.
01:47 What I do know is that a lot of the polystyrene
01:52 was made in the West Midlands, so UK-based.
01:56 It's now been imported from China.
01:57 So in real terms,
02:00 what kind of environmental impact is that having?
02:04 I don't know.
02:05 I noticed, firstly, when I looked on your website today
02:08 that when you click on your link,
02:10 the first thing that comes up is sustainable fish.
02:12 So it's something you really champion
02:14 and you want to be key.
02:15 So surely this is a really positive move for your business
02:18 and something you really want to adopt
02:21 and I suppose promote.
02:22 Exactly.
02:25 Yeah, I agree.
02:27 We were already about 80% bad-ass packaging anyway,
02:31 biodegradable packaging.
02:34 So we're all moving towards that anyway.
02:37 And yeah, I do feel like it's the responsible thing to do.
02:41 But right now, I do know that small businesses
02:46 are facing lots and lots of challenges.
02:49 And so is it the right time?
02:52 Is the timing right?
02:54 That's my question.
02:55 That's my worry.
02:56 That's my concern.
02:57 How costly is non-plastic products,
03:00 the sort of the other end of this?
03:01 Does it cost more?
03:03 It actually costs about 10 times the amount, actually.
03:09 So we're looking at probably half a pea
03:14 for a chippy tray, for example.
03:18 And I know places that are paying upwards of 10p
03:21 now for the same product.
03:24 And Gavin, do you think that this is something
03:27 all businesses, takeaways, restaurants
03:29 are actually going to stick with?
03:31 Do you think enough know about this ban?
03:33 I mean, how enforceable is it?
03:34 You're going to have people and officials walking in
03:37 and removing plastic forks and such?
03:39 How enforceable do you think it is
03:41 and likely that people will listen?
03:43 I think people will listen.
03:47 It's been really, in the industry,
03:49 it has really been heavily advertised.
03:51 So I don't think you just won't be able to buy polystyrene
03:55 after October.
03:56 So it will kind of sort itself out in that aspect.
04:01 So yeah, people will listen.
04:03 It will be enforceable.
04:05 And but as I said before, my main concern is in real terms,
04:10 will it have a great impact on the environment
04:16 or will we just be importing more stuff from China?
04:18 And will we then be increasing costs to small businesses
04:25 at a time when really we need a little bit
04:29 of government intervention to help small businesses
04:33 like Lewis'.
04:34 That was Gavin there talking to me
04:37 from Lewis' Fish and Grill.
04:38 Now there are some exemptions to the ban
04:40 depending on the item.
04:41 And the government says it's important
04:43 in reducing our plastic use.
04:45 They say you can prepare for the ban
04:46 by using up existing stock before October.
04:49 Key that it comes into play on the 1st of October.
04:52 Find reusable alternatives and use different materials
04:54 for single use items too.
04:56 More information about what's being banned
04:58 can be found on the government website.
05:00 But next tonight, a pond near Paddock Wood
05:03 has been drained in a 20,000 pound project
05:05 to remove illegal fish.
05:07 Prussian carp, you can see on the screen now,
05:09 an invasive species from East Asia and Central Europe
05:12 were found in the water in the village green pond.
05:15 Importing them or releasing them in the wild in England
05:17 is banned as they're considered a risk to native fish.
05:21 It's thought there were several tonne of the fish
05:22 in the pond and diggers will be brought in
05:24 to remove vegetation and repair the retaining wall next.
05:28 The parish council said no one locally wants this to happen
05:30 but sadly it's unavoidable.
05:32 A decision on whether any of the fish can be returned
05:35 has not yet been made.
05:36 Now some politicians across Kent are worried for businesses
05:40 with the Prime Minister overhauling some green policies.
05:43 The government has delayed a ban on new diesel
05:45 and petrol vehicles to 2035, previously it was 2030.
05:49 But this has been met with criticism
05:50 by climate change campaigners.
05:52 Rishi Sunak says this will give people time
05:54 to make consumer driven choices
05:56 rather than being politically forced
05:57 to switch to an electric car.
05:59 We spoke with Labour councillor Alastair Brady.
06:02 - Crying out that they need stability throughout England.
06:05 Internationally, do we really want business
06:09 to come and invest in our country?
06:11 Yes we do.
06:12 If we keep on changing the goalposts,
06:13 how are they gonna have a clear plan?
06:16 I'm sure a lot of car companies had emergency meetings
06:19 straight after that to look at their vision
06:22 and their priorities and it's just completely unclear.
06:24 So it's unworkable and it shouldn't be happening
06:27 in a civilised society.
06:28 - Next tonight, letting imaginations drive sustainability.
06:33 A childcare company in Maidstone is hoping
06:35 to get more young people interested in our climate.
06:38 From forest schools to rewilding projects,
06:40 they're hoping a whole host of activities
06:42 will drive that message.
06:43 But how do they make global issues
06:46 appeal to such a young audience?
06:47 Well let's find out.
06:48 Neil Nixon joins me in the studio to tell us more.
06:50 Neil, thank you so much for coming in.
06:52 It's great to have you. - You're welcome.
06:53 Thanks for inviting us.
06:54 - So tell us about Pennies, that's where you work for,
06:56 and what you're doing to champion sustainability
06:58 with such young minds.
07:00 - Right, so these are older children
07:02 than we normally have on the screen.
07:03 We'll come to that in a second.
07:04 I don't think there's much you need to explain
07:06 to kids about the environment.
07:08 Basically, they get the basics of this
07:10 without really struggling.
07:12 We're a group of childcare groups,
07:15 so we've got three nurseries in a forest school, basically.
07:18 Two of the nurseries are in Kent.
07:19 And about three years ago, just before the pandemic,
07:22 we had a marketing meeting,
07:24 and we were discussing the future of the company,
07:26 and we made a decision to go much more
07:28 into the kind of sustainability work.
07:30 First of all, 'cause we thought as a group,
07:32 we're big enough that we can afford to do this,
07:34 and we've got the ability to do it
07:36 more than an individual nursery.
07:38 But at the same time, just because it matters,
07:40 there was no question about that.
07:41 So we've bigged up quite a few things
07:43 to do with the environment.
07:44 We've made active moves to hit targets
07:47 that people like Kent Wildlife Trust
07:49 would recognize for awards, or the EcoSkills green flag.
07:52 And we've also made partners in the local area.
07:55 So we've done things where we've set up
07:57 what we see as win-win partnerships,
08:00 where we've put a bit of our social media
08:02 and some money behind little environmental schemes locally.
08:06 And what we want in return from them
08:08 is stuff that we can use with the kids.
08:09 So photographs that we can use on our social media
08:12 or use in a classroom, and just a chance to explain that.
08:15 And so far, it's early days.
08:17 I mean, we're three years into this,
08:18 and in terms of doing it seriously,
08:20 we're about two years into it.
08:21 But we are pushing at an open door.
08:23 The kids don't seem to struggle to understand it.
08:25 The parents seem to welcome it.
08:27 We've, nobody's complained to us.
08:29 And one of the things with the win-win stuff,
08:32 anybody can do it.
08:34 Anybody who's got social media and spare money can do it.
08:36 - And we can see the impact,
08:38 the positive impact this has on the environment, of course,
08:40 because you're teaching young people about it,
08:42 why to care about it.
08:43 But what benefit has it got to them as well?
08:45 And how do you reach such a young audience
08:47 and appeal to them?
08:49 - Well, it's not difficult to reach a young audience.
08:52 I mean, putting it simply,
08:54 and I don't work on the frontline.
08:57 I'm in the marketing team.
08:58 So I don't deal with the kids
08:59 other than when I'm dropping into nurseries and stuff.
09:02 But children, particularly preschool children,
09:04 three to four years old,
09:06 experience the world in a kind of powerless way anyway.
09:08 They're very intrigued,
09:09 but they have to have a lot of things explained to them.
09:11 So you simply add the bit about nature
09:14 and they just take the enthusiasm.
09:15 And when they can do something, they like to do it.
09:17 So, you know, they can make bird feeders.
09:21 We can show them how to do it.
09:22 We can, you know, they can basically put those out
09:24 in the garden and they can see the birds coming.
09:26 And for the more complicated things,
09:27 so the photograph that we're looking at here, for example,
09:30 those are our holiday club kids.
09:32 So these are the, they're aged between five and 11.
09:35 And that's us at the local nature reserve at Vinters Park,
09:38 which is right next to our Newnham court site.
09:41 And we take the holiday club kids there
09:42 and they do planting, they do pond dipping.
09:44 They understand it in a much more complicated way
09:47 because the oldest ones of those are 11.
09:49 So clearly Steve there,
09:50 who's the head warden can pond dip with them.
09:52 They can take, you know, they can take a sheet
09:54 and they can spot particular things that come out of a pond.
09:57 They can learn about different wildlife.
09:58 When we were there last time, the buzzard came over
10:02 and there's one particular buzzard on that reserve
10:04 that's lost a wing tip finger.
10:06 So they got quite used to spotting that one buzzard,
10:08 you know, so, and they just get enthusiastic about it.
10:12 The more they learn and the more they take pride
10:14 in the learning, the easier it is.
10:16 And obviously with our forest school,
10:18 which is aimed at the preschoolers,
10:20 that's a whole other level
10:21 because they're surrounded by nature the whole time.
10:23 - It's about to say,
10:24 it's all about that hands-on experience.
10:26 If they can see the nature, be at one with it.
10:28 So do the pond dipping, be part of it like that.
10:31 It's amazing to see young people getting involved in that
10:34 and everything you're doing as well.
10:35 We saw some pictures on the screen too
10:36 of everything you're doing over at Penny's.
10:38 Neil, thank you so much for coming in
10:40 and explaining what you're doing for a young audience.
10:43 Thank you very much for your time.
10:44 - Right, cheers, thank you.
10:46 - Now, just before we take a very quick break,
10:48 it's time for Kent's Climate Conundrum of the Week.
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10:54 - Well, next week we'll be celebrating World Animal Day.
11:06 So my question for you is,
11:08 what animal was reintroduced to Canterbury last year,
11:11 thousands of years after they disappeared?
11:14 So what animal was reintroduced in Canterbury last year,
11:18 thousands of years after they disappeared?
11:21 Well, you can find out the answer after the break.
11:23 But also coming up, the food industry
11:25 is one of the biggest sectors in Kent,
11:27 employing 18,000 people and making around 10%
11:30 of all businesses in the county,
11:32 especially as the Garden of England.
11:34 Well, the Eastern Ark Consortium met in Canterbury,
11:37 warning of serious environmental challenges that lie ahead.
11:40 We'll find out more with our reporter, Gabriel Morris,
11:42 who was at the Eastern Ark Conference.
11:45 And Canterbury COP is coming to the city's
11:47 famous cathedral this weekend.
11:49 I spoke to Reverend Joyce Addison in the studio earlier.
11:52 See you then.
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15:03 - Hello and welcome back to Kent on Climate, live on KMTV.
15:08 Now, just before the break,
15:09 I asked you Kent's climate conundrum of the week.
15:12 I asked what animal was reintroduced to Canterbury
15:15 last year, thousands of years after they disappeared?
15:19 Well, did you get the answer right?
15:20 Of course, it was bison.
15:22 They were introduced to the Bleen and Thordon woods
15:24 in Canterbury in July, just last year.
15:26 In fact, just a couple of weeks ago,
15:28 they celebrated the first birthday of a surprise baby bison
15:31 you just saw there.
15:32 When the animals first arrived, unknown to the rangers,
15:35 one was actually pregnant.
15:37 So adding to the wild population there already.
15:39 Well, that's this week's Kent climate conundrum.
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15:49 Next tonight, the food industry is one of the biggest
15:56 sectors in Kent, employing 18,000 people
15:59 and making around 10% of all businesses in the county.
16:02 But it's in a time of crisis, inflationary pressures,
16:05 Brexit, war in Ukraine, and shoppers opting
16:08 for cheaper products rather than local.
16:10 There is hope though, according to the Eastern Arc
16:12 Conference, who met in Canterbury.
16:14 But serious environmental challenges lie ahead.
16:17 Well, our reporter, Gabriel Morris was at the event.
16:20 Kent is known as the garden of England.
16:25 According to the County Council,
16:26 16,000 people are employed in the sector,
16:30 but the industry says they're under threat.
16:32 James Smith runs a fruit farm near Maidstone.
16:36 He was at Eastern Arc Conference calling
16:38 for shorter supply chains between farms and supermarkets.
16:42 So the supermarkets are sticking to their model
16:45 of paying suppliers less whilst charging the consumer more.
16:48 What I'm advocating is actually becoming
16:51 truly vertically integrated, so we have our own retail.
16:55 That way we control all of the costs
16:57 and we can enjoy the benefits of that
16:59 by keeping all of those at that margin in our business.
17:02 Consumer price index unexpectedly eased this week,
17:07 particularly fueled by a slowing down of the rate
17:10 of some food and drinks cost.
17:12 The industry though, are reporting many issues,
17:15 particularly in the last few years with Brexit,
17:18 the pandemic and war in Ukraine.
17:21 Fuel has a huge impact because they need it
17:23 in order to do everything from kind of powering or heating,
17:27 if it's a food or if it's a livestock,
17:29 all the way through to processing any of the food,
17:31 through to even their supply chain to get it to them.
17:33 A lot of people are bringing in their fertilizer,
17:35 are coming in from overseas,
17:36 that has an impact on the cost of everything.
17:38 Fuel underpins all of that
17:39 and then when we're needing to heat things
17:41 or keep something stable, it's even more of an impact.
17:43 The consortium brings together three universities.
17:47 And the idea behind it is to do three things.
17:49 One is to encourage collaborations,
17:51 particularly around research.
17:53 One is to develop a positive research culture,
17:55 so share training, do mentoring and so forth.
17:58 And the third is about advocacy,
18:00 so making sure that the voice of our region
18:02 and our universities is heard on a national scale.
18:06 Well, the food is going down a treat at this conference today
18:09 and this is what it's looking at, food in a time of crisis.
18:12 Looking at what goes into our everyday foods,
18:15 connecting the industry with academia
18:17 and seeing how farmers across the South East
18:19 can be more sustainable going forward.
18:22 The consensus here is it's a race against time
18:25 to make the industry more sustainable
18:28 and getting people to shop more local,
18:30 but not everyone can afford that.
18:33 And I think a big thing is,
18:34 if you give the local supermarkets their own autonomy
18:37 to sort out what's happening in their own local community,
18:41 that would go a big way, rather than somebody
18:43 sitting at head office telling them
18:44 how they need to operate with their customers.
18:46 It's a different way of thinking, I think.
18:49 The South East faces huge challenges going forward,
18:53 but for a rosy future,
18:55 farmers will hope that these come into fruition.
18:58 Gabriel Morris for KMTV in Canterbury.
19:01 Next tonight, the Diocese of Canterbury
19:04 are running their first climate change event
19:06 this weekend at Canterbury Cathedral.
19:08 From eco church to net zero,
19:10 the community are hoping to highlight
19:11 why the environment is important to them.
19:14 But with climate change being on the agenda
19:16 for a number of years now,
19:17 why has it taken so long to host an event
19:19 championing our planet?
19:21 Reverend Joyce Addison is the Bishop's Advisor
19:23 for Environment and is organising Canterbury COP.
19:26 She joined me in the studio earlier.
19:29 Joyce, thank you so much for coming in today
19:31 and sharing with me your plans for this Canterbury COP.
19:34 So firstly, tell me what it's all about
19:36 and what can people expect?
19:38 And I believe it's starting this weekend?
19:41 Saturday, 8.30 till 1.30.
19:45 And then we have a service in the cathedral
19:49 for half an hour at 1.45,
19:51 just to close the conference, yeah.
19:54 Amazing, and what sort of prompted you
19:56 to host an event like this?
19:58 Well, I think we're becoming more and more familiar
20:01 with the United Nations COP conferences,
20:04 the Conference of the Parties.
20:07 And I thought it would be good for us
20:08 to have our own local one
20:10 to sort of raise awareness of climate change
20:15 in the diocese in a fresh way.
20:18 And so we just decided, well, let's have one in September.
20:23 It's the season of creation.
20:24 And the next COP is happening in November,
20:27 I believe, in Dubai.
20:28 So it all lines up quite well.
20:31 But first and foremost, it's a call to action.
20:34 It's hopefully people will be inspired and encouraged
20:38 to think again about what they can do
20:42 as opposed to what they can't do in their communities.
20:45 And some of those people you are inspiring
20:47 are young people who have made some beautiful artwork.
20:50 Now, it doesn't do it justice having it on the table.
20:53 I lift one of these up.
20:54 So these are mobiles that they've made.
20:56 What do they sort of represent?
20:59 What's on them?
20:59 Talk us through what these are.
21:01 - So these are made by students at Oakes Primary Academy.
21:06 They're also an eco school.
21:08 I believe they've just got their green flag.
21:12 And I often go to them for artwork
21:14 if we're having for creation conferences.
21:16 So they produce beautiful stuff for us.
21:19 So they have these eco codes, first of all,
21:24 if you want to have a quick look at one.
21:26 It's simply turn the tap off, turn the board off,
21:29 turn the lights off, switch off.
21:32 And the mobiles, sorry, the mobiles,
21:37 the question was asked of the pupils,
21:39 what can you do to help the environment?
21:41 And they used paper scraps to design leaves
21:44 and write their thoughts.
21:45 And the teacher used willow to hang them up.
21:49 So they'll all be on display at the conference on Saturday.
21:54 - Let's see if we can get a close up in the studio,
21:57 in the gallery there.
21:58 So you can cut to the camera
22:00 so we can see these lovely mobiles.
22:03 - And they've got messages on the leaves.
22:05 This one says, be kind to the earth, age four.
22:10 And help to grow food yourself
22:16 instead of buying it with money.
22:18 - This one says, plant more trees.
22:21 Please help to keep the world good.
22:24 They're so sweet.
22:25 So how old are these children?
22:26 - Put rubbish in the bin.
22:27 - What? - Four to five.
22:30 - Four to five. - Yeah, yeah.
22:32 - And it's important because those are the people
22:34 that will be deciding our future
22:35 and will be there when we leave the world left behind.
22:40 So tell me about the event itself.
22:42 What can you expect?
22:42 You've got a range of people speaking.
22:44 - Yes, we've got four speakers coming in,
22:47 all talking about relevant themes
22:50 that we're interested in at the moment.
22:53 So we have Dave Bookless talking about creation care,
22:57 as mission.
22:58 We have Julian Atkins helping us to prepare
23:01 for the pathway to net zero.
23:05 And we have Gareth Martin,
23:07 who is going to encourage us to be eco-churches.
23:11 And Grace Okapor from Parish Buying.
23:14 They're our sort of church procurement and service
23:18 and they help us to be more sustainable.
23:20 - Amazing.
23:20 And this is one of, this is your first climate change event.
23:23 - It's the first one.
23:24 - So what do you think,
23:26 I mean, taking so long to get to this point
23:28 and the climate sort of message
23:29 has been out there for a while now.
23:31 What was sort of the process of getting where we are now?
23:35 - Well, we've been talking about climate change since 2019,
23:39 I believe that that's when we created
23:41 the creation care environment forum,
23:44 policies, call to actions,
23:46 and we've had environmental conferences each November.
23:51 But my particular passion is climate change.
23:54 And I thought let's focus this year on climate change.
23:59 And so we've also got the young people here
24:03 and also speaking, they're co-hosting with us on Saturday,
24:08 which is lovely.
24:09 It's important to hear their voices
24:10 and to, I think to give them hope
24:13 that we know what's happening
24:15 and we're doing our best to tackle it.
24:18 - Amazing.
24:19 And sort of talking more day-to-day life, I suppose,
24:22 how you sort of, how the cathedral,
24:24 how religion and environmental matters,
24:28 how they sort of align,
24:30 what would you say more broadly
24:32 and generally about that alignment?
24:34 - Well, first and foremost,
24:36 Christians are called to care for God's earth.
24:39 So there's a command, an understanding, a biblical mandate
24:43 that we practice creation care
24:45 and we allow it, we encourage it to flourish and grow.
24:49 So there's the biblical side of it.
24:51 We're also practicing sustainability practices.
24:57 For example, people are considering LED lighting
25:03 where possible and hospitality,
25:07 how can we reduce plastic and solar panels,
25:10 things like that.
25:11 But really it starts from the biblical call
25:15 to care for creation.
25:17 So how can we do that in today's world
25:19 and how can we do it well?
25:22 - And we can see here on the screen, just lastly,
25:24 what a huge building the cathedral is.
25:26 It's a big landmark in Canterbury, but in Kent as well,
25:29 everybody knows the cathedral.
25:31 So what do you think hosting an event
25:33 in such a grand place now,
25:35 a grand place like this, means for the community?
25:38 - Well, it shows that we're aware,
25:44 first and foremost, about climate change,
25:46 that we are aware of things happening in the world.
25:49 It's not just a church matters.
25:51 This is a global issue.
25:53 And also that the struggles ordinary people are having
25:57 with reducing carbon emissions,
25:59 we're having those same struggles in our buildings
26:02 and the cathedral in particular.
26:04 So we've got someone who's going to speak
26:07 on what the cathedral is doing
26:09 to reduce their carbon footprint.
26:12 And I think what that says is that
26:16 in such a huge building as that,
26:19 if they're working to reduce carbon emissions,
26:22 then the rest of us can do the same
26:24 in our churches, in our homes.
26:27 So for me, that's a role model for the diocese
26:30 and also for Kent, that the cathedral's working at it.
26:35 And I think we can take stock of that.
26:38 - That was Reverend Joyce Addison
26:39 talking to me about Canterbury COP earlier today.
26:42 But that's all we've got time for
26:43 on this week's episode of Kent on Climate.
26:45 I'll be back again next Wednesday.
26:47 I'll see you then.
26:48 Bye-bye.
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