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00:00 So, Lee, starting with the goal of Struor, Ellen Road to Sheffield Wednesday,
00:04 what are the feelings after that one?
00:07 Because going into it, it certainly looked like these were heavy favourites.
00:12 Well, I think it could almost be a template of what we're going to see a fair few times over the rest of the season, Charles,
00:16 to be honest, in terms of teams coming to Ellen Road,
00:19 like, you know, setting up to be tight, to be compact, low block,
00:22 you know, sort of like just trying to sort of stay in the game for as long as possible and then try and nick it at the other end.
00:27 And to a degree, that's almost what Sheffield Wednesday did.
00:30 There's no doubt that Leeds had the better chances in the game overall.
00:33 I mean, the stats tell you that, although actually saying that Sheffield Wednesday had one more attempt on goal.
00:38 But Leeds just didn't take the chances.
00:40 And also it has to be said that Wednesday had a couple at the other end as well.
00:42 So, I mean, the theme of this basically is that Leeds are just going to have to take the chances better.
00:47 And this is nothing new.
00:48 I mean, however long I've been doing videos on Air 4, it's always been a theme with Leeds.
00:52 Like, they just don't, they just never have taken a higher enough percentage of the chance in front of goal.
00:58 It was the same with the Marcelo Bielsa team.
01:01 The difference with the Marcelo Bielsa team was that they created so many chances, you know, that they were always going to score a few eventually.
01:06 And I kind of thought that at the start of the season that Daniel Farkas' Leeds side would create a lot of chances too.
01:10 And they are doing that, but they might be a similar sort of thing.
01:13 It sort of flies in the face of what we saw the previous weekend at Ipswich, when obviously they were clinical and they scored four times.
01:19 I mean, the chances that they had against Sheffield Wednesday were, you know, to a degree somewhat easier.
01:24 I mean, the Brutair threw one goal, Somerville was through as well, Pirro put one wide.
01:29 But, you know, basically, I think it's just going to be a lesson learned that that's what's going to happen time and time again at Ellen Road.
01:34 There will be, there might be the odd team that comes to Ellen Road and has a go, you know, but generally speaking, teams are going to look at it and think, well, we're away from home.
01:41 You just look at Leeds attacking threats and that's what's going to happen.
01:44 So, yeah, so it's something they're going to have to figure out.
01:47 The absence of a number 10 is sort of like brought into sharper focus by that, because that's when you need one, really.
01:52 Someone to like drop deep and let things happen.
01:54 But you can see in games, you've got like Ampadu and Gray, as it is at the minute in the centre of midfield, sort of looking ahead of them and thinking, well, you know, where's the runners?
02:01 What's happening? And this, that and the other.
02:02 But saying that they did create chances, you know, they just didn't take them basically.
02:06 So that's going to be the lesson.
02:07 It's going to have to be a case of, A, figuring out how to work these teams out, but ultimately also taking your chances in front of goal, because that was a difference, really, in that one between a draw and three points.
02:17 Although saying that, I've got a good Wednesday credit because they did have a couple of chances themselves and I can see why they say that they might have nicked it too.
02:24 And just looking at Joel Pirro specifically, we've sort of touched on the fact that he might be able to be the man who scores 20 plus goals in this championship season.
02:34 Why he's been playing as a bit deeper as a number 10 is because they lack that role.
02:38 And what should Daniel Farker do with his attack?
02:42 Well, I think the obvious answer is staring him in the face, which is playing as a number nine.
02:45 You know, we harped on about it for ages, basically, about Leeds not having a prolific goal scorer, someone who's going to put the thing in the back of the net, you know, plenty of times.
02:53 And they went out and got Joel Pirro and everybody was delighted with that.
02:56 And, you know, he obviously scored 19 minutes into his debut and everything was looking hunky-dory.
03:00 And it still is. I still think it'd be a fantastic signing.
03:03 But I think, you know, really he needs to be playing as a number nine.
03:05 That said, what I would add is that he did play as a number 10 kind of idea in the game at Ipswich.
03:10 And also Daniel Farker, when he was asked about it post-match after the Chef Wednesday draw, he sort of did quite correctly say that that was his role at Swansea was actually, you know, more or less similar to that as well, like arriving from deep.
03:20 So there is reasons for it.
03:22 I mean, Daniel would have looked at it and thought, well, we won 4-3 at Ipswich, so sort of why would you change it as it is and stuff?
03:27 And you're quite right. I think a lot of it also is down to the fact that they haven't got a natural number 10.
03:32 And Daniel probably looks at it and thinks that of the options he's got at the moment, you know, Joel Pirro is maybe one of the ones who is probably best suited to that.
03:40 You know, he said himself for the Wednesday game that he thought they might need like a bit more pace up front in terms of someone like Routier.
03:46 So it's a bit of a puzzle at the moment in terms of how they're going to sort this all out, because obviously they want to try and get Routier into the side.
03:52 He's record signing. He's still a young lad and he'll continue to get better.
03:55 I don't think anyone's doubting his talent, but obviously it's a work in progress with him.
04:00 So it's about how they go about and get everybody into the team and sort of the right roles, really.
04:05 I think Crysenzio Somerville would probably be quite good as a number 10.
04:08 I know he's like seen as a winger, but, you know, he does sort of like gets his head down and can pick out good balls as well.
04:13 So that's an option. Archie Gray might be able to play there.
04:15 We saw that in the League Cup game and he's very, very young.
04:18 He don't want to pin all your hopes on him at that age.
04:19 But here's someone who could play as a 10.
04:21 But yeah, it would just be interesting to see how they go about it.
04:23 But I think the general consensus, certainly most amongst fans, is that, you know, goals are going to win games and Pirro is the one most likely to get them.
04:29 And it's difficult putting someone else in someone else's shoes.
04:32 But I mean, if he was through on goal, you know, once or twice, would he have scored those?
04:36 And you think probably so. It'll be fascinating to see what Daniel does.
04:39 You might well stick to it for a little bit, but I certainly think long term the answer is to get Pirro in the number nine role.
04:43 It seems the obvious thing to do.
04:46 And another new impact signing, Jed Spence.
04:49 I mean, a big impact in just nine minutes off the bench.
04:52 So, you know, there's obviously a big battle now right back with Luke Ayling, who's been a stalemate in the team.
04:58 Yeah, 100 percent. You know, it would be really interesting to see what happens with that one.
05:02 I mean, you can't sort of go too much on nine minutes of football, which is all it was ultimately when Jed Spence came on.
05:08 But even in that nine minutes, I sort of left thinking he's got to start him, you know, like he just looks like a serious player.
05:13 I mean, it must have been like one minute before, within one minute of him coming on, that he basically saved the goal with a brilliant tackle.
05:20 And straight away, he was back up by charging down the other end of the pitch.
05:22 Just looks powerful, direct, pacey, confident on the ball, really good touch.
05:28 I mean, none of this is any slight on Ayling whatsoever, because Ayling, you know, obviously, as he's quite rightly say, he's been a big mainstay for Leeds.
05:34 Both ends of the pitch, he's scored quite a few goals as well.
05:36 And him getting forward down that right flank is a big thing for Daniel Farke.
05:39 You can tell that. So, but I mean, you look at Jed Spence and the way he played there, and obviously Spurs paid a lot of money for him, you know, 20 million odd or whatever to get him in.
05:46 He's an England Under-21 international.
05:48 He's already played at Spurs.
05:49 He's basically just a very, very good player.
05:51 And I think it would be a bit of a waste if you brought him on alone and he just basically stayed on the bench and just sort of came on every so often.
05:57 So I don't think that would be the case.
05:58 I think he's got to start. Whether he starts literally the next game at Millwall remains to be seen.
06:03 And I suppose the thing you start asking yourself is if Jed Spence does start, then where does that leave Luke Ayling?
06:07 I mean, we've seen Ayling play in other positions.
06:09 He can play a centre half.
06:10 So that's potentially an option if, you know, Daniel might want to do that.
06:13 I mean, could either of them play left back?
06:15 I mean, possibly, but you'd want to keep them to their best strengths, really.
06:17 So, yeah, it's a fascinating battle as to see what happens with it, really.
06:20 But, you know, the bottom line, the conclusion I sort of think you can take from it is that even on that first sight, Leeds have got a very, very good player.
06:27 They're in Jed Spence on loan and ultimately they need to make the most of him.
06:30 They don't want to do what they did with Eddie Nketiah.
06:32 Remember Eddie Nketiah on loan, obviously now he's in the full England squad.
06:35 And the problem with Nketiah was he came to Leeds and they basically didn't play him enough.
06:38 That was the bottom line.
06:39 I mean, ultimately, I know they ended up going up eventually under Marcelo Bielsa anyway, but you don't want it to be another situation like that, really, where he just sort of like you'd have him as an option off the bench.
06:47 Because, put simply, I think he's too good to just be an option off the bench, really, Charles.
06:51 I think he looks a very good player and I think he'd be hugely beneficial to Leeds if they use him in the right way.
06:56 And two other signings, Glenn Kamara and Leo Gruev.
07:01 I mean, where do they fit in, given the impressive starts from Ethan Ampadu and Archie Gray in that midfield?
07:07 Yeah, it's a good question.
07:08 That, I mean, it's a difficult one because I think you look at the Leeds midfield and you almost centre midfield and you almost think, well, it's kind of fine as it is, really.
07:15 But, I mean, you can't just rely on two players for the rest of the season, and Ethan Ampadu and Archie Gray, especially when one of them is only 17 years old and basically, you know, like at the age that he is.
07:25 So, they had to bring other midfielders in and they've done the right thing by getting two of those in.
07:29 But now it's a real puzzle in terms of what do you do?
07:32 I think of the two of them, I think Glenn Kamara is the one that would instantly, like, sort of scream starter to me.
07:38 You know, like, I mean, the amount of games he's played for Rangers, the experience he's got at a high level and not just sort of like at Rangers, but in European competition with them as well.
07:45 I can't see him being a player that really comes here to sit on the bench.
07:47 So, I would sort of expect him to start, you know, once he gets his fitness up, week in, week out, assuming all goes well.
07:53 And Ethan Ampadu has been, you know, lots of rock solid acquisition, really.
07:57 So, very, very cool and calm and composed, like, obviously, leads, likes to be patient and have possession.
08:02 And he's, you know, almost a mainstay of that.
08:04 He often starts most moves and looks up and picks out very good balls as well.
08:08 So, my gut instinct would be those two.
08:10 And you sort of say, where does that leave Archie Gray?
08:12 Well, where it leaves Archie Gray is as a seriously, seriously talented young player, but in an ideal world, he's one you probably give a bit of time to, you know.
08:20 So, but that said, he has, I think, even in these opening games, probably look just about leads his best player.
08:26 So, then you sort of start asking yourself, well, are you doing the right thing, you know, putting him on the bench just to sort of like build him in gradually and protect him, so to speak.
08:32 So, fascinating to see how it happens.
08:34 Ilya Gruev as well, I'm sure will be a very good signing.
08:36 I think he's almost like not the forgotten man of the midfield, but, you know, he's the one, obviously, the ones will be talked about more, I suppose.
08:42 But he's a Bulgarian international.
08:43 I think he'll be a very good player as well.
08:45 He'll probably maybe be a bit slightly deeper.
08:47 So, maybe like an alternative for Ampadu, I would think maybe, but, well, my news, I've got four very good midfielders there.
08:53 And the other thing you should remember with Archie Gray is that we saw him play at number 10 in the League Cup game.
08:57 And that's a definite option, I think.
08:58 So, you might end up having some games where you have Gray at 10 and then two of the other three in behind you.
09:02 So, good problems to have, though.
09:03 And, you know, you definitely want this situation as opposed to looking at it thinking, well, we've only got two midfielders.
09:08 And if something happens to them, then we're, you know, really in trouble.
09:10 So, yeah, interesting to see how it plays out.
09:12 But, yeah, I think patience with Archie.
09:15 I think that's what's needed.
09:16 He's only a young lad, remember, but a huge, huge talent.
09:18 And Jamie Shackleton, obviously listed as a midfielder, played at left-back on Saturday.
09:24 He was fantastic in that position.
09:27 He looks like, to me, you know, looking from the outside in, that he's a very, very versatile player and he can sort of play everywhere.
09:33 Where do you think his main position could be?
09:36 Yeah, I can't remember where I saw it.
09:38 I saw it somewhere, someone saying he's a bit like a Mini Stewart Dallas.
09:41 And I thought that was quite right, really.
09:42 I think that's about right.
09:44 And, you know, what is he? He's only 23 and he's already starting to tick off the positions already.
09:48 Certainly, you know, he's played obviously right-back, left-back, centre midfield.
09:51 He's played on the wing at times and just a really good asset to have as a squad player.
09:55 I suppose the challenge for him now, though, is like sort of like, you know, to go from being a squad player as such, you know, someone that can be called upon when there's injuries or someone who can be called upon off the bench to, you know, becoming a regular starter.
10:06 And there's no reason why he can't do that at left-back, I don't think.
10:09 I mean, you know, as you say, I think he's looked pretty decent there.
10:11 He's obviously, you know, kind of that's kind of fallen his way, I suppose, because of injuries.
10:15 Obviously, Junior Firpo first and foremost, and now Sam Byron as well.
10:20 I don't think Byron's is going to be long term in the slightest.
10:22 I think he might be back for Millwall.
10:23 So, you know, Daniel had a real big decision to make there, 100 percent, because he has looked pretty decent, Shackleton.
10:29 He's energetic. He gets up the pitch.
10:31 He links up really well with Nonto down that flank.
10:34 So, I mean, I think people are probably thinking that Sam Byron will be first choice left-back until Firpo comes back.
10:40 And then obviously, it basically depends what happens with Firpo.
10:43 The jury's still out on him, obviously, a lot.
10:44 I think Daniel does rate him, though, and thinks he can be a good player.
10:47 But for now, you know, Shackleton is the one.
10:50 And if he suddenly comes out of the side when one of those players is out, then he might sort of think, well, you know, it's a bit harsh for me to be coming out.
10:56 So, yeah, he's done well.
10:57 And long may it continue.
10:59 He's a very, very good player to have and also be interesting as well against Millwall, because that's obviously where he was on loan last season if he gets the nod for that game.
11:06 So that's a good problem for Daniel to have.
11:08 But, yeah, you've got to give kudos to Jamie Shackleton.
11:09 He's been very good so far in that position.
11:11 He's let out about it.
11:12 And just assessing Leeds in the Championship so far, their start to the season, obviously five games in, six points.
11:21 They've managed to win one, but they've only lost one as well.
11:26 Is it sort of a case of how you look at it, whether it's the glass half full or half empty?
11:30 What's your take from what you've seen so far?
11:33 Yeah, I think if you hit the nail on the head, there's basically two ways of looking at it, isn't there?
11:36 But I suggest the probably best way to look at it is sort of like glass half full, really, because you've got to look at the way that they've had this summer transfer window.
11:45 I mean, talk about a crazy window in terms of players coming and going, well, going mainly, really.
11:50 I mean, obviously, we shouldn't say that because they've made some very, very good signings.
11:53 But I think it works out as I think there's 22 exits in the end.
11:56 It's basically two teams of players.
11:57 Yes, some of them were youngsters, but also some of them were very, very big players as well.
12:00 You had people like Rodrigo leaving, you know, and all the rest of it.
12:03 I mean, Tyler Adams, huge exits and stuff.
12:06 And so that was always going to be, you know, extremely hard to overcome.
12:10 Daniel said himself, Farquhar, when he came in, it'd be a bumpy start to the season.
12:14 He must have. That's probably what he envisaged, really.
12:16 I don't know if he knew quite about how many lone exits there would be and stuff.
12:19 But yeah, so it has been a difficult start to navigate.
12:23 On the flip side, I suppose you would look at it and think, well, actually, they had a reasonably easy, if there is such a thing, start to the season in terms of the fixtures, in terms of like, you know,
12:31 they haven't come up against a Leicester yet or a Southampton or something like that.
12:34 Yes, they had Ipswich, I suppose, which was a difficult one.
12:36 And lo and behold, that's the only game they got a victory in, the 4-3 one.
12:39 So, yeah, I mean, I think what you would say is they would obviously rather have more points on the board.
12:44 There's no doubt about that.
12:45 I mean, there are, you know, you look at games like the Wednesday one when they could have got all three.
12:50 Didn't happen. Birmingham was very, very disappointed, the sole defeat.
12:53 But there's only one defeat, like you say.
12:54 So they are building. It's a work in progress.
12:56 I don't think, I think everybody always knew that this team would get better and better as the season went on.
13:01 And the bottom line is, if they're on those six points, I mean, you know, it's not like anybody's running away with it already.
13:06 No one's on 15. Obviously, Preston are the surprise package at the moment on 13.
13:10 Ipswich and Leicester on 12. Norwich and Southampton on 10, you know, of the sort of teams you look at.
13:15 So it's not like they're a million miles behind.
13:17 They're still third favourites, 8-1, 9-4 to get promoted.
13:21 And I think that's probably about right, really.
13:23 It's one of those ones where, you know, you could see it clicking and you could see it happening and you could see them going up.
13:28 But equally, you could see it taking time.
13:30 It just depends how quickly it comes together, I think.
13:32 And also, it does really just depend on how quickly, how well they take the chances, Charles, to be honest.
13:37 I think that's always going to be the key with this team.
13:39 You'd probably give it, I think, probably like a C/B, something like that, purely because of the fact that, like, obviously, you know, especially given the fixtures,
13:47 you would think, well, you want to be on more points than they are.
13:49 But this was always going to be a very, very hard start to the season for Leeds, purely because not so much of the fixtures,
13:54 but in terms of the sheer number of players going out, how unsettled it's been.
13:58 Daniel Farke has done a fantastic job.
13:59 So I think from that aspect, you could even upgrade the C to sort of like a B or something like that,
14:04 which might sound like a mad thing to say when you look at where they are on the table and how many points they're on and the games they've had.
14:08 But I think there's always, you know, going to be the feeling they're going to get a lot, lot better.
14:12 Transfer window.
14:13 I think the bottom line with that is it probably dips down a little bit right at the end because of losing Sinisterra.
14:17 But what can you... Bottom line is, I think it's almost unfair to rate this transfer window based on this transfer window only because the transfer window,
14:25 what's happened has been because of the loan exit clauses, relegation exit clauses, and they are already there, you know,
14:30 so disastrous in terms of like those being put in in the first place.
14:33 But the way Leeds have handled it, the recruits they've got, you know, obviously nine players coming in, some very good signings as well.
14:39 I think you're floating around the B/C area or something like that.
14:41 But the bottom line is, you know, they need to be making sure it's A/A+ by the end of the season.
14:47 Spot on, mate.
14:49 And finally, next up, Millwall away, you know, after the international break.
14:54 Is it a big chance to get a second win in the new campaign?
14:58 Well, I think so, yeah.
15:00 But the thing is, the first thing that sticks out here is Leeds' awful record there.
15:03 I mean, Leeds' record in London has never been great.
15:05 The London curse.
15:06 I mean, however many games it was without a win there, and Millwall has quite often been in that sort of category, you know, in terms of games where they haven't won.
15:13 I think it's five defeats in the last six there at Millwall.
15:17 Even Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds didn't win there.
15:19 I remember going down there for the Jack Harrison, get where Jack Harrison equalised in the 89th minute, which stopped another defeat.
15:24 And you've got to go back to all the way, is it 2012-ish, I think it is, March 2012, 1-0 victory when Ross McCormack scored there.
15:30 So straight away, people are going to point at the record.
15:34 So that's something to overcome.
15:35 Obviously, then there's the atmosphere.
15:37 It's going to be hostile down there.
15:38 You know, Gary Rowett's going to have them write up for it.
15:40 They're going to be writing Leeds' faces and stuff.
15:42 And it's going to be a very, very difficult game and they're just going to have to hang on in there.
15:45 But what you would hope, ultimately, is that Leeds' quality comes through.
15:48 They're going to have more options for that game or whatever happens.
15:51 I mean, Jadon Anthony's obviously signed too late to be involved for the Wednesday game.
15:54 So he's going to be available.
15:56 I mean, you have people like Kamara and Gruev will have had a bit more time.
15:58 Sam Byron, Dan James may be coming into it.
16:00 Paveda and Joseph, obviously, just back from injury.
16:03 So there's going to be more options for definite for Daniel Farke.
16:06 And you just sort of hope that it all comes together.
16:08 But I mean, I do half think with this team, if they'll end up, you know,
16:12 people talk about Ellen Road being a fortress and they get that, obviously,
16:15 because the fans, you know, it's obviously a fantastic thing to have on your side.
16:17 But I half wonder if Leeds is going to be better away from home, purely because teams will have to come at them a little bit
16:22 and they can maybe have a bit more, you know, space to exploit, so to speak.
16:25 But Gary Rowett will be very, very wise to that.
16:28 It'll be a very, very hard game.
16:29 Leeds are favourites, knocked by an awful lot, around about five to four.
16:33 Millwall about two.
16:34 So, you know, that tells you what the bookies think, whether you agree with that.
16:37 I don't know.
16:38 It's just one of those ones I could see going either way.
16:40 But I think ultimately, you just have to hope that Leeds' quality shines through.
16:42 They'll have to keep an eye on Kevin Nisbet.
16:44 He's been a good sign and he's scored two already since coming from Hibs.
16:47 I think he'll be a key player for them.
16:49 But yeah, just I think it's going to be about basically, well, obviously keeping tight at one end,
16:53 but taking the chances at the other.
16:54 And there's no doubt that Leeds will have the better quality on show, you would think.
16:57 So hopefully they can go there and get three points because they need to start pushing on.
17:00 I mean, you know, obviously it's still early days, but they do, you know, obviously 15th in the minute.
17:04 They need to start getting at that table ASAP.
17:07 So Lee, in the late hours of deadline day, Lewis Sinisterra joined Bournemouth and
17:12 Jay Nantzley came the other way.
17:13 Looking at Anthony, what does he bring to Leeds and what sort of have they got there?
17:19 Do you know what, Charles?
17:19 I think they'll end up with a very, very good player there.
17:21 I think obviously there was a lot of disappointment in the way the transfer window ended for Leeds
17:26 with Lewis Sinisterra leaving.
17:27 I mean, you could say Leeds' star player in terms of what they had left, the best player potentially.
17:32 We all know what he's capable of on his day.
17:34 Yes, he has been a bit injury prone and whatnot.
17:36 But the bottom line is, you know, if players don't want to be here, don't want to be at the club,
17:40 then obviously you're best off without them, really.
17:42 I know obviously the Willy Lonto thing sort of flies in the face of that a little bit.
17:45 But, you know, there was sort of like legal implications and all sorts with Sinisterra in terms of like his contracts and whatever.
17:51 So Leeds obviously want to avoid any sort of like anything with that.
17:55 And so he's, you know, that's the way it is.
17:56 And obviously best off moving on.
17:57 And, you know, quite rightly as part of him going, they wanted to make sure that somebody came in to replace him.
18:02 I think a lot of people feared that Sinisterra might go very, very late on and Leeds might end up with nothing in return.
18:07 But they have got something in return in terms of Jadon Antony coming on a season long low and the other way.
18:12 And I think he'll be very good indeed.
18:13 I mean, you only have to look through his stats, really.
18:15 I mean, he played a huge part, really, in them going up as Championship runners-up.
18:19 You look for the stats, 38 of 46 games he started, featured in 45 of them, eight goals and six assists.
18:25 And that was obviously a couple of years ago.
18:27 And since then, obviously, you know, he's been a Premier League player.
18:30 And it's not like he sort of like was on the fringes in the Premier League or anything like that.
18:33 30 games when they went, you know, in their first season back, 11 starts, three goals and an assist.
18:38 So he's been right in the mix.
18:40 And he started two of their first three games this season.
18:42 And put simply, you know, you know, he should be a very, very good acquisition for Leeds.
18:45 I mean, probably play on left wing, probably either wing.
18:48 I mean, forward players, you can usually play them anywhere.
18:50 I mean, probably end up playing on one of the flanks, I should think.
18:53 But I think he'll bring a lot to the party.
18:55 And it's interesting that he was sort of, when he finally got up here and he sort of spoke in his first interview,
18:59 he said himself, you know, I'm a much better player now.
19:01 I'm improved, you know, from the one that went up in the championship.
19:04 Obviously, I've got the Premier League experience under my belt.
19:06 So obviously, it would be natural for fans to be disappointed with Sinisterra going.
19:10 And you can't, I don't think you can sort of like say, well, you know,
19:12 they've got rid of Sinisterra and like you've just got somebody in like for like.
19:15 But I think Gajaydn Antony a chance.
19:16 I think he's a player coming down from the Premier League that's still young at 23,
19:20 still going to be improving.
19:21 And I think actually Leeds will find they've probably got themselves a very, very good player there.
19:24 And Daniel Farker said in his post-match presser after the game,
19:27 actually against Sheff Wensley, that he thought, you know,
19:29 he thought Gajaydn Antony would play a big part for Leeds coming up and stuff.
19:32 But I suspect he'll be a very, very good acquisition.