On the latest episode of Celtics Beat, Adam and Evan are joined by Dan "Greenie" Greenberg. Greenberg covers the Celtics for Barstool Sports. Dan joins the program to discuss the Celtics depth concerns, how the Porzingis trade could define Brad's legacy, and whether Jimmy Butler is the new Paul Pierce. Twitter: @StoolGreenie
3:57 Did the Celtics ask Porzingis to sit out FIBA?
12:24 Is it possible Boston has a slow start?
36:27 Porzingis trade could sink Stevens
43:38 Does Boston need another defensive wing?
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3:57 Did the Celtics ask Porzingis to sit out FIBA?
12:24 Is it possible Boston has a slow start?
36:27 Porzingis trade could sink Stevens
43:38 Does Boston need another defensive wing?
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00:07 What's up, everybody new Celtics be great to be back here with you. It is as we said earlier August 25th
00:14 I say that once again because that means the next show that we do odds are that's going to be in September
00:19 We will be in training camp month
00:21 We will be on the cusp of preseason action and the regular season will be that much closer
00:26 It'll be wonderful Adam Kaufman and Valenti. We are the usual suspects
00:30 You can generally count on at least one of us being here and Dan Greenberg
00:34 Barstool Greeny joins us good friend of this program and we're I know that you are not
00:40 Here on the East Coast as we are but were you part of the big?
00:44 Anniversary shindig that your company did the other night
00:48 I watched it on TV so I can shoot me into keeping the the lights on paid the $10 and 89 cents
00:54 It was well worth it for anybody get a free login. You're part of the company. No, I'm happy to I'm happy to support them
01:01 So it's well worth it. If you if you didn't catch it, you know, just super impressive. It's surreal 20 years
01:08 It's like, you know, I remember when I first started back in 2015
01:13 It was you know a fraction of what it's grown into so it's it's truly amazing to see it's it's crazy that it's already been 20
01:20 years or still doesn't need the money so I
01:24 Know
01:26 That's that's me I don't expect the greens a company man
01:30 They can do all the right things listen guys we could go in a number of different directions with this show
01:42 it's it's the offseason and so it's it's all just
01:46 You know their narratives around the NBA. There's people across the media talking you get the occasional dumb quote from a
01:54 Current or former athlete from time to time?
01:56 We heard Pat Beverly speak up about the Jays recently and and what they are capable of accomplishing or not
02:03 You have Blake Griffin who is not even currently
02:05 Under contract with the Celtics talking about how unbelievable Boston is
02:09 I don't know if he's just trying to I'm sure he means it so I don't I don't want to present that in a way
02:15 That I was about to which was differently, I guess I do believe he means that but I also think he might be trying to
02:21 Angle his his way back on to one of those vacant roster spots, which could be occupied by Blake could be TJ Warren could be
02:28 Lamar Stevens is another potential option as well as we can explore all of that stuff as well as whether Jason Tatum wants to stick around
02:35 long term
02:36 You know whether whether we can compare him to Giannis Attentacompo and some of the things that he said this week. So guys, I mean
02:43 I'm just kind of dealing the cards. Where do you guys want to start?
02:48 Well, how about this how do we feel do we believe Kristofs Porzingis when when the team says
02:55 Planetfasciitis he comes out and says nothing to worry about. I'll be good. I know what on a scale of 1 to 10
03:02 I know where I am with that believable scale. Yeah. Yeah. Where are you guys in that whole ordeal? Are you?
03:09 Do you think this was just uh, hey, we gave you an extension. You can't play in FIBA
03:15 We got to find you an excuse to sit out. Is it worse better than they're letting us to believe? What do you think?
03:22 So I'll be honest
03:23 I hadn't even considered that option of the team basically just coming up with a reason for why he couldn't do it
03:29 Maybe having the the fears of what happened with Galanari last year in the backs of their minds not wanting to risk anything protect their investment
03:35 All of that. I hope that's what it is. I hadn't thought about that at all. No, I think he's actually hurt
03:40 I'm not saying it's necessarily a big deal. Oh, he's not gonna be ready for camp or the regular season or anything like that
03:46 but I think the
03:48 You're getting Chris Tass Porzingis is advertised, you know
03:52 This is a guy who I I just if he plays more than 60 games, I will be surprised
03:58 I'm going to look at him the same way that I looked at
04:00 Malcolm Brogdon going into this past year and and all the more so going into this coming year with Brogdon coming off of the injury
04:06 I just think these are certain guys. They're not old. Obviously, they're they're still very much in the prime years of their careers age-wise in the NBA
04:14 but I think these are just guys that need to be managed greenie and
04:18 you want to be as healthy as you can be for the playoffs to the extent that you can attempt to
04:25 Load manage that and I I think that Porzingis this is who he is
04:29 He is not a guy who is going to play 70 75 games
04:33 And if he does it will shock the world and all them all the more so, you know
04:37 The fact that you've got him under contract for three years now, which is good
04:41 It's not like he can walk at the end of the year
04:43 But it's also a concern in that it's a lot of money that is coming his way over the course of these next three seasons
04:49 and this is someone who I just think a big man with
04:53 Foot issues or knees or back or whatever should happen to come up over the course of time
04:59 It just it it's it concerned me the second they traded for him and it concerns me all the more now with this report. Yeah
05:05 What about you? How you feeling? Well, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't sit here like the green turn this around
05:12 He's hosting this show now
05:14 I'm gonna compare it to my own delusions. Oh, yeah, and you're where rational people sit
05:20 Yeah, I mean look it's not great. You know any type of injury like this
05:24 that concerns a seven-foot-two guy who
05:28 You know may or may not have foot issues like it's I was gonna raise some red flags
05:32 I think the modern technology of the world has found a way to maybe help with this
05:36 We'll see again. I'm with Kaufman. I'm glad they held them on to this thing
05:40 I think Boston has a little PTSD from the gallon Ari experience
05:44 I really do think they wanted gallon already to be a big part of that team last year
05:47 I think Gallo
05:48 Was super excited to play for the Celtics and he has a little bit heartbroken that he's not playing for them
05:53 And as a as an Italian guy that likes watching the Celtics play I was a little heartbroken that that gun aren't ever suited up
06:00 But I think it's just look like you got a you have to find a way to get through this season get to the end
06:05 of the season with your top eight intact and
06:07 As we saw last year even if you do that's no guarantee you go to the finals anything gonna happen in the playoffs
06:13 The Malcolm Brogdon injury as we talked about last time Grinney was on this show
06:17 Really derailed this particular season
06:21 It was it's tough when you lose
06:23 When you lose Brogdon, it's even tougher when you lose Jason Tatum and at that point, you know
06:27 They just they just didn't have the firepower to keep up
06:29 I I just am hopeful that and I think between the three guys between the three big guys and again
06:36 We'll see what they do. You know the rest of the offseason in the middle of the season that they can find a
06:40 healthy
06:43 Split between Rob Allen Porzingis and if they can find a way to get like, you know
06:50 Obviously the three of those guys are not gonna play every night
06:54 Like there's gonna be rare nights and all three of those guys play in a single night
06:57 I think that's gonna be reserved for
06:59 Really playoffs and maybe some bigger games, but I think again, this is a team that
07:05 Understands because they've been in the playoffs and they've won more games pretty much than anybody
07:11 Besides the Golden State Warriors in the playoffs the past couple years
07:14 They understand what they need to do to get there what it takes to get there
07:18 It's just getting over that next step and I think having a healthy Porzingis is going to be the biggest
07:24 biggest part of this thing if he's there at the end of the year in these big games in the
07:29 Conference finals in the finals still have as good of a shot as anybody to win the thing. It's just getting there greedy
07:34 Yeah
07:36 I'd say I'm like a calm I'm all over the map with this right like when we when we first got the news that
07:43 He had a foot injury
07:44 Like I tweeted it out. It didn't suddenly make me nervous because I'm like you coughing
07:49 I'm I've been nervous about his health since the second the trade happened and I'm gonna be nervous about it until the last day of
07:55 His current extension in 2026. That is now my life for the next three years
08:01 It's just constant worry about his health or zingas pins and needles make yeah
08:07 Like there's no way around it
08:09 like Brad has made the decision to build his roster around guys with some injury concern and
08:16 There's no other way to look at it
08:17 Then we just have to pray and that's a dangerous game for a franchise that has maybe the worst injury look of all time
08:24 It also wouldn't surprise me if for
08:28 The start of the year or a portion of the year. We see him on the Al Horford plan
08:34 He's not playing back-to-backs. He's you know, they're being selective
08:38 And how they use him which is why I think someone like Blake or that, you know, they're big man depth
08:44 It gets thin real quick when you look at it, right like and this isn't even factoring in your yearly Robert Williams
08:52 Injury, or maybe something happens with Al now that he's a year older
08:57 Like I think we also have to remember Al
08:59 Burned out after one series against Joelle and beat right like even with the load management play
09:06 He was healthy by the end of it, but he had no legs for his jumper after one series of playing
09:12 Like that's not fair for me to keep thinking. He's gonna be 26 year old Al Horford
09:18 Like I just can't do that tool. So I'm nervous about that. I'm nervous that they're telling me it's plantar fasciitis
09:24 The same way they told me hey
09:27 Jeez knee was just a sprain and he was gonna be back in the week like until I see him on the floor
09:32 I just I'm skeptical. I also don't think he's gonna play a lick of
09:37 Action in the preseason so we're really not going to be able to know
09:42 Probably until opening night and I fear that with how good the the competition is and the parody among the East
09:49 like I don't think you can afford to have a
09:53 2021 season where you're floating around 500 like you have to be good right away
09:59 And I think if you look at NBA history, I obsess over it every year
10:04 The 40/20 rule is real. You need to win your 40th game before you lose your 20th or you're not winning the title
10:12 It's like it's like 80
10:14 not yeah
10:16 You did the math there in the season
10:18 Subjects to the first team to hit the 40/20 club. You were like, this is the math. This is
10:26 Options there's like the bubble the bubble bucks or the year after
10:30 In the short season the Bucks like they obviously the math didn't work there
10:35 But I think if like of the last 49
10:38 Title winners like 47 of them hit the 40/20 mark the Nuggets hit the 40/20 mark
10:45 it doesn't guarantee that you win a
10:48 championship because obviously the Celtics didn't do it the Bucks didn't do it the
10:54 Suns last year didn't do it, but the winners
10:58 won't stay
11:00 40/20 team Denver Nuggets
11:02 40/20 team like you just can't afford to have a slow start and I'm nervous if
11:07 Orzingas isn't going to be ready and he's not going to be right and they don't have a lot of time to gel in
11:13 Camp and in the preseason you've now lost a big piece of your you know of your chemistry of how to play together
11:20 With smart gun you've lost rotation guys that have experience in Grant Williams
11:26 So I don't know I'm like they have the talent on paper
11:29 But what does it look like if they don't have time to gel together before things start for real?
11:35 You said that's part of we'll go ahead. You said something interesting there
11:39 Kaufman do you think this team's gonna have a because I the nerves I can I can sense the nerves here from Greeney
11:45 Kaufman yeah, do you think this team is?
11:49 Gonna have a similar
11:51 Start to the season and they had under email dookie like geez Wow, Doka. There we go Wow
11:57 When they just were under 500 or treading around 500 the first start of the air until I hit January then all of a sudden
12:03 There it went. I don't think this team is capable of that anymore unless again me and I'm talking an injury to Jason Tatum type stuff
12:10 I'm not talking like he's playing not playing it back-to-back. So I it would be to me
12:15 Something catastrophic would have to happen to that team for them not to be an elite top three seed in the east for the entire season
12:22 My opinion well the weird thing about that team as we remember like the first two three weeks of the season
12:27 They didn't know how to play defense. It was
12:29 Alarming it was it was really really concerning and then obviously they figured out by the end of the year
12:35 We're the best defense in the entire league
12:37 But you know, I don't we've we've asked this question on the show and in recent weeks, you know, especially with the additions of
12:44 Sam Casale Charles Lee to the staff and you know, bringing in a established experienced assistant coaches to help out with Joe Missoula
12:51 But also in part the way they've reworked this roster like, you know outgo smart incomes poor Zingas
12:56 Those are kind of the the headliners in terms of the in and out but Grant Williams out as well
13:01 Who is a solid defensive player better defender than he was an offensive player is as good a you know
13:06 Corner three-point shooters. He was or is I just
13:09 I'm not sure I guess it takes
13:12 It makes you wonder how long it's going to take for them to figure out what their identity is and how much of that is
13:17 Going to lean on offense which it you know
13:20 largely did last year as you know defense had its ups and downs and statistically it was a good defense but
13:26 Ask anyone players like they will tell you their identity primarily last year was offense. Whereas the year before
13:32 Primarily it was defense and I feel like they kind of learned last year that they had to
13:37 By the end of the season they had to revert back to what they were
13:40 Versus what they had become under Joe or find some sort of hybrid like you would tweet all the time granny about Missoula ball
13:46 And how great it was and the ball move
13:48 Agree, but like how do you find that middle ground to where you can be?
13:52 you know top five offense top five defense and
13:56 Be that out of the gate as opposed to you know
14:01 A team that takes a month to find its way on one side of the ball or the other
14:05 So I think this is what's gonna be really interesting to see is because I think heading into this season and really every season
14:12 Would you want to be optimistic and you're thinking?
14:15 Well, if this is what they were last year, they're gonna be even better but progress isn't always
14:20 Linear right like is Malcolm Brogdon gonna shoot 44% from three again
14:25 Like logic tells you there's going to be some form of regression in some way
14:30 Right, like is Derek White's jumper maybe going to regress a little bit is you know is you know?
14:37 Who's gonna be that replacement for Grant's shooting?
14:40 But I think what's gonna be interesting is now with a much more prepared staff and a year under his belt
14:46 will the
14:48 Experience on the coaching side sort of balance out any sort of regression that we now see on the floor
14:56 Right, like they're not gonna go
14:59 21 and 5 and shoot 50% from 3 as a team again, right?
15:03 Like that was the same way that they weren't gonna have the same second half of 2021 again. That was a unique
15:11 Experience in time. So it's how are they going to balance that regression out?
15:16 That's always going to come with a more experienced staff
15:20 Is it going to be a more sustainable strategy where you're finding that middle ground and you're not all just
15:26 Relying on threes. Is it maybe having Tatum more in the post because I think what we're gonna learn is
15:34 With smart not here anymore
15:36 I think people get so caught up on his three-point shooting and all that jazz
15:41 But when they needed a bucket, they had a 6-4
15:45 Strong guard that could get into the paint
15:48 Operate offense from the block. You don't really have that from that position anymore on the roster Derek White
15:55 He's not the same type of bulldoze point guard, you know Malcolm Brogdon isn't trying to you know
16:01 Post anybody up off the block
16:04 So when they really need a bucket because there are gonna be times where Tatum's inefficient
16:09 Jalen's inefficient is poor zinc is going to be enough of that
16:13 You know safety valve because they're gonna have to change how they play
16:18 That's just the nature of what their roster looks like today compared to last year. They're not going to be able to play the same way
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17:07 So my concern and this could
17:12 Contribute to a slow start. It's why on our previous show last week. I was talking about, you know, and in part I would
17:20 Reasons that if I had to bet on it, I would take the under four wins versus the over
17:24 even though I think they're gonna be in the vicinity I
17:26 And this could be
17:29 Like full disclosure
17:30 This could be a strength by the end of the season if they're healthy going into the playoffs and hopefully they will be but right
17:35 Now it's a concern for me that I just don't believe
17:37 that while they're
17:40 Better in terms of being top-heavy than they were last year
17:43 I just don't think there is deep a team as they were last year top to bottom and
17:47 So again that could elevate if or zingus misses time whether it's load management or he's actually hurt
17:53 Orford obviously like we know as you acknowledge there are gonna be plenty of games that he is unavailable to them
17:59 Brockton is going to miss time if we see guys like
18:02 Pritchard
18:04 Hauser
18:05 Some of these, you know back end of the roster guys
18:08 Take on real roles during those moments to the point where later in the year
18:13 You feel like you can rely upon them as opposed to you know, we're staying rigid to our top six guys
18:20 Come the postseason maybe seven and we're afraid of everybody else
18:24 You know that that gets them into trouble now. You got a really solid top six seven guys right now
18:30 but as
18:32 We talked about I think there's gonna be plenty of times that not all those guys are going to be available
18:37 Rob as you said is going to miss time
18:40 Other guys that we already mentioned are going to miss time
18:43 They're going to add to this roster with some of those names that we mentioned off the top of the show that we can spend
18:47 More time on but I just that that's sort of greenie my biggest concern going into the years
18:52 I just don't think they are as deep as they have been the last year or two
18:55 Yeah, and I think the easiest way to sum it up is higher ceiling lower floor, right?
19:01 like there's no doubt about it that their top-end talent is
19:05 better and
19:08 Can achieve more in terms of overcoming what cost them their seasons in years past, right?
19:15 They're now way more versatile offensively
19:17 They have a legitimate like all-star scoring threat to play next to Tatum and Brown, which they did not have last year
19:25 But at the same time they do not have the same death
19:29 Which was such a strong suit for their entire year last year
19:33 obviously the vocation shortened in the playoffs, but to be the team they were you were relying on that depth and I think
19:41 People say oh well smart played fewer games and poor zingas. What's the difference?
19:45 Well, the difference is their roster was built to absorb their point guard missing time, right?
19:52 You had four legitimate point guards on that roster
19:55 Now if poor zingas misses time or Brogdon misses time or white misses time
20:01 You do not have the same level of backfill on the 2024 roster, right?
20:07 Like there's no grant to eat up minutes. There's no smart to overcome and Brogdon misses time. So
20:14 Basically to me what they did is they may have answered some of their like glaring playoff series questions
20:22 But all they did was swap that out for a new set of questions that we didn't have to deal with
20:27 Last year, so when people try to say are they better or worse? It's impossible to know
20:32 They're just different until we see it on the floor. Like we don't know if they're gonna be better
20:37 We can say their ceiling is higher, but they have opened them up to a lot more risk, I think
20:44 compared to last year, which is
20:47 unsettling because as we saw in game seven you are one turned ankle from your season being over and I just don't know until
20:55 We see it like if O'Shea percent shoots 38 percent from three. Okay, great
20:59 Then that's not a question anymore, but we don't know if that's gonna happen
21:04 So part of me is is nervous for natural regression
21:08 From guys like Brogdon like he could still shoot in the 30 high 30s from three, but that's not 44%
21:15 Right, like we saw what things looked like for him when his injury robbed him of his shooting in the playoffs
21:22 So I don't know watching that guy. Yeah, it's like I don't know how they're gonna be able to you know
21:28 Overcome their potential risks. I also don't know if teams
21:34 Like our teams now going to say wow smarts gone
21:39 Like we don't have to worry about them defensively as much like there's just things we have to see
21:45 Before we can know if they're better or worse
21:48 I did not feel that way heading into last season right when they traded for Malcolm Brogdon. You knew they were better
21:54 Right without even seeing them play with the changes that they've had with key rotation guys and the brain trust
22:02 Right, like think of all the big moments that smart and grant have been in in a playoff series
22:08 You're now banking that Kristaps Porzingis while he's a better talent
22:13 It's still gonna be able to be able to come through for you in those big playoff moments
22:19 When he hasn't had to do that yet, right like that's to me what makes Tatum and Brown
22:23 So unique is from day one
22:27 They've been able to grow and fail and have success in these big playoff moments
22:33 Well now the Celtics window is two years right before tandem salary kicks in so they don't really have the time
22:40 For guys to figure out how to play in these big moments. We don't know if if we're set can do it
22:45 We don't know if Porzingis can do it
22:47 We don't know if you know if Pritchard can do it in the role that they're maybe gonna need him
22:53 You know, he's not gonna just be coming off the bench like in game seven
22:57 I'm walkie as like, you know a nice to have now there is legitimate need for him to contribute on a consistent basis
23:05 It's just an unknown
23:08 Yeah, I think for me if you look at the rest of the East
23:10 Can you make that argument and not make that argument for all these teams?
23:13 Like you look at the Miami Heat the Eastern Conference final
23:17 They lost a bunch of talent and if they like if Jimmy gets hurt
23:22 Just don't know how that team functions
23:25 I mean again Jimmy's a robot and it is incredible and even when he's hurt. He's great
23:30 like it's just it's it's it's like but if they but if he gets hurt or a fan gets hurt or if they have
23:36 Do they have a lot of?
23:38 Yeah, I love to see you how they how they figure that out
23:40 Honestly, if they could figure out how to get you know over the hump of those two injuries
23:44 You look at the Milwaukee Bucks. I mean Chris Middleton has never been the same since he got hurt
23:48 Again, I'm I love Drew holiday
23:51 But again him going seven for 21 in a big game is so totally possible
23:56 Giannis is a freak and we all know that doesn't matter. But I mean look
24:00 Indiana got you know, Bruce Brown, but does that really scare you?
24:04 I mean the Knicks with Jalen Brunson another year of him and and and you know
24:09 The rest of that squad is that really gonna I just don't I look at the Eastern Conference and I say look
24:14 The Celtics have problems
24:17 But I think everybody does I think a lot of team like what Philly what does Philly do?
24:22 I mean what in the world does that team look like come October come December come January?
24:28 I just think there's a lot of question marks in the East and I think it's helpful that Boston has
24:34 I
24:35 think the most talented roster
24:38 when you go one through eight, I
24:41 Obviously top end is Giannis and with a bullet, but I think one through eight
24:47 I think they have the most talented roster and if that's your plan going to the season
24:53 I really can't fault the plan. I just really
24:56 But I think like we can't fault it, but we can't say it's a lot like we're in this weird limbo
25:04 Where we're hopeful right? I think we're all we see what Brad is is going for, right?
25:10 We have the main pillars - smart
25:13 But like the true main pillars of the team are still there right as long as Tatum and Brown are breathing
25:18 You're gonna be you know a legitimate favorite to at least make the conference finals, right?
25:24 They haven't they haven't failed to make the conference finals with those two together and when they're both, you know active
25:31 So to me, that's the baseline. But what I care about is I've now gone through two years of being told the Celtics have
25:39 All this, you know the most talent whether it's they're more talented than the Warriors or they're more talented than the Heat
25:45 It hasn't mattered in either of those series, right? So to me it then becomes
25:50 What are you doing around the margins and our margins now have more questions?
25:55 We may get to the playoffs and those answers are those questions are answered and everything's fine
26:01 I'm just thinking
26:03 We're not entering or I at least am not entering
26:07 This season with the same feeling as I had last season despite trading for a guy. That's an all-star talent
26:14 That's just like a weird thing for my brain
26:16 The process and I think part of it for me is obviously morning Marcus smart like that's that's not a secret, right?
26:23 like I'm the I'm the the driver of that bus and I think
26:27 There's gonna be an article in the globe of wow
26:31 But Celtics really are missing Marcus smart and I'm gonna lose my frickin mind, right?
26:35 Because now when he's gone, you'll only lose your mind if Jasper writes it
26:39 I'm not gonna have to be listening to people tell me how valuable smart apparently was when like no shit. I
26:53 Think like that's gonna take some time for everyone to get used to right we have never seen this era of the Celtics
27:00 Without that piece of the puzzle it could be decade. It could be worse. It could be better
27:05 We don't know what I want to know though. If I could just rant on this subject real place
27:10 What I want to know is when someone other than Tatum and Brown or Porzingis
27:17 Takes a shot in the final minute
27:19 Does that person now not accept their role or is that just gonna be something that people do like when when?
27:26 Derek white or I'm not gonna say who would it be other than Derek white?
27:30 Who would take out Warford pick a guy right outside of Tatum and Brown because that was a thing, right?
27:35 Why is smart shooting now it Tatum and Brown need to be taking all your shots
27:39 So when someone kicks it to an open player not named Tatum and Brown the same way they would kick it to smart in
27:46 Those situations and he took in a wide open catch-and-shoot three and that was him not accepting his role and needed to blah blah blah
27:54 Is that gonna be the same discourse? I'm gonna guess. No, I'm gonna say oh no, that's a good shot
28:00 You gotta take that shot. So I'm interested to see how the hypocrisy
28:04 Shows itself over the next year or so
28:07 In regards to that, but that's my own personal demon. I can accept that. That's my own problem
28:13 But that's that's great Greeny's rant is very similar to my nobody can bring blame Marcus smart anymore rant
28:19 But I've gone on more than once on this show that that's the part of the trade that I'm actually
28:23 Excited about is that you're there's gonna have to be a new villain a new. Well, that's just gonna be Jalen
28:28 I mean people are just gonna throw your oh, you can't dribble left or all that. Yeah
28:32 We already know is happening and I think you know his contract certainly doesn't help but
28:40 Highest paid player in the NBA and the guy can't dribble with his left hand
28:44 Yeah, but it's but you know, like the Missoula excuses are gone because he has a year of experience
28:50 He has a competent staff
28:52 smarts gone so it's like, you know, I
28:56 Honestly, then if it doesn't work out heaven forbid if it doesn't work out the the next evolution of that conversation is
29:04 a return to the you know to a lot Pat Beverly
29:09 Tatum and Brown can't win together. Yeah, you you have to make a change
29:13 I know you brought in porzingis that wasn't enough. You have to make a change. Here's something I'm wondering now
29:19 We're not gonna have the answer. This is just me wondering aloud is
29:23 Like wick gross back, you know, they they traded away
29:27 Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett so ownership didn't lose any sleep over trading away Marcus smart
29:34 Maybe you know as much as they love Marcus and to to totally different
29:39 you know ends of the spectrum in terms of overall importance to the organization and what they brought and all of that and
29:45 Love you mean it with Marcus as well for sure, but I just do you think it was wick?
29:51 Who went to Brad at like it was in in the conversation with himelsbach the interview that that gross back did?
29:57 the
30:00 It was presented basically and this may be true. It was presented as you know
30:04 Basketball operations brought to me this idea and I signed off on it. Yeah, I'm wondering though
30:11 Do we think that's exactly how it went down?
30:14 Do you think Brad and Zarin and Austin and whoever else looked at it and said what we're doing is not working
30:20 We're on the cusp. We're not quite there
30:22 We've gone to the conference finals five out of last seven years, but that's not banner 18
30:26 Somebody from the core has to go to shake this up. It's not gonna be one of the J's despite past trade rumors with Jalen Brown
30:33 We're gonna try and deal Brock didn't didn't work out
30:36 Marcus smart is the one on the way out the door or
30:40 Do you think ownership went to Brad and said?
30:43 I'm tired of this crap. Like I I don't care how you fix it, but fix it
30:49 We need to get over this hump. We should have won two years ago. We fell short of expectations last year
30:55 I want that banner. How do we do it do what you have to do?
30:59 So I'm not saying wick went to him and said like trade Marcus, but but do we think it was you know, like
31:04 whereas possibly
31:07 You know Brad and company may have been reasonably
31:10 content to run it back with the important pieces of this team and ownership said no or
31:16 Do you think it in fact was basketball operations? I
31:21 Lean towards because in that quote, I think wick was like if if
31:25 Brad or basketball upset said let's run it back cool. They wanted to change it up. Cool
31:31 I think where they approached it as they said when we get into these playoff games against
31:37 Switchable defenses like Miami like Golden State our offense goes in the toilet
31:42 So their solution was what type of player?
31:47 Can they bring in that addresses that issue right? They they are also probably thinking of Al Horford's
31:54 You know replacement, right?
31:56 So you're probably looking at a big a stretch big in that that you think can maximize your two best players
32:03 I think they found that Avenue with the Brogdon trade for Porzingis once that fell through
32:10 bringing in that type of player to
32:14 Accentuate your two best players and to solve that playoff problem
32:17 Marcus smart was not going to stand in the way of solving that issue, right?
32:22 So had they been able to trade Brogdon smarts probably on the roster
32:27 I think it got to the point where if that trade wasn't going to happen
32:31 Then you have to say okay, it's gonna cost us smart
32:36 So be it because the risk of not doing it outweighs
32:41 Keeping the status quo with those three, so I don't think it was we have to get rid of Marcus
32:47 I think it was we need to bring in a player like Porzingis by any means necessary
32:52 If that cost Marcus smart, so be it if we can do it without getting rid of smart. That's obviously what they prefer because
33:00 Smart was their second probably their second most consistent player during this entire playoff run
33:06 He is not the reason they did not win the title in either last two years
33:11 but I think
33:13 The up like the risk of not bringing in Porzingis was too good
33:17 Because we have a large enough sample that when they get into these conference finals or in the finals against these teams
33:25 That know how to switch and lock in on them
33:28 Defensively their offensive rating is like a 50. It's awful and there's enough of an evidence of that to say
33:36 Something has to change like you said, we're not trading our two franchise pillars
33:40 What's the art type of player that we know fits next to them?
33:44 It's a pick and pop stretch big and I think when you look at the evolution of Porzingis and what he brings to you as
33:50 A drop defender a rim protector a guy that plays out of the post
33:55 It's like he checks too many boxes to let that deal just die and go forward with this group
34:02 I would be very surprised if wick went into their office and said you got a trademark like if he had gone rogue and like
34:09 Done something crazy and like taking all the shots from Tatum to you know
34:14 Cost them a ring like that I can understand but he played within his role. He wasn't the reason you lost
34:20 I just think he was the collateral damage to bring in a player that they feel can get them over the hump
34:25 Yeah, I mean I just look at this this particular operation and it feels like
34:32 Wicks very I hired my guys
34:34 I'm out. Yeah, if it's up to him, it's like this. It's their call
34:39 I've decided the dotted line and obviously I have to be okay with this
34:42 But the same time like one of the things that you know plagues owners is when owners get too involved with with personnel decisions
34:50 Whether it's baseball or basketball or football when owners get involved in personnel decisions
34:54 It usually doesn't end up going great. I think which one of those guys who you know, I mean for as much
35:01 You know of a hard time as we give James Dolan James owns is bad at hiring the right people, you know
35:06 He just has no clue how to hire the right guy to be the GM of the New York Knicks or the president of basketball
35:12 operations, I think wick
35:14 In his prime his brain trust. I've done a good job of you know, hiring the right people over the past years to
35:21 Build the team the right way and to you know address certain flaws and I have to give him credit for that
35:28 You know, he's vocal about stuff, but I don't think he's ever really pounding the table for things
35:33 I think he lets his staff figure it out. And if you know if things didn't go like things have gone well like this
35:39 Giving him reason to trust him right right. Well, what makes this so like such a
35:46 polarizing move is this is like this is Brad's I
35:52 mean
35:54 Like this is gonna define his tenure as the GM of this team, right?
35:58 Like all of the trades he's made before were no-brainer low-risk
36:03 Moves right like Tim his knees were shot, you know, you gave up, you know
36:08 Young guys that really weren't, you know superstars or for showing progression in that to bring in guys like Bragdon
36:17 So you you haven't really had to you know
36:20 You've extended Rob and Jay like those are no-brainer
36:24 extensions
36:25 This is the first like true gamble of Brad where not only are you giving a guy?
36:32 That's you know has been a great Celtic fan favorite blah blah
36:36 You've also are breaking up a trio that has had a relatively. Yes. They haven't won banner 18
36:43 But we haven't had too many stretches in our lives
36:48 You know post the Larry Bird era where they've been in the jit contention. So if it of course thing is
36:55 lops
36:57 Well now what like what happens do you?
37:00 Get out of him and try to trade in for 60 cents on the dollar because in two years
37:06 You're gonna have to make a choice
37:07 So we're entering the part of Brad's tenure where it's almost like it's legacy defining to some degree
37:14 Where if it works, you're gonna build him a statue if it fails
37:18 We're gonna be looking back of like wow, like he brain me. He maybe closed our window as opposed to
37:25 maximize it
37:28 But we do have some news it's
37:30 Breaking news. We did it during the show this time
37:34 Yeah, but it's not something that would you know, we'd be sitting in redoing a taping or something
37:42 Celtic star Jalen Brown will play in Saturday's big three all-star game in London Brown will play for the game play the game for the
37:49 London Youth Charity
37:52 Just don't get hurt. That's all I have fun. Have a great time. Don't get hurt. Yeah, I mean
37:58 People will probably freak out about it
38:01 But like they play and pick up during the summer like that doesn't really bother me as much you just have to
38:07 Whenever we get into this time of year whether it's FIBA or you know open gym runs
38:12 like all you got to do is just cross your fingers that you know that they come out clean with health because
38:18 The only way to get better at basketball is to play basketball
38:21 So like I can't expect these guys to not play but like you said like just just please stay healthy
38:27 And don't really try that hard if we're being honest
38:29 I don't know if you can bet on that game F
38:32 But what I do know is that you can't you actually can bet on a lot of big three games
38:37 I don't know if you can bet on a charity game in London
38:39 But but I I've made a wager or two on the big three
38:42 Listen, I don't know is it even I remember we was on like TV. It wasn't the worst thing to yes
38:47 See, yeah, I went when I was at the garden a few weeks ago. Yeah, I mean it was a marathon man
38:53 There were six games. I'll watch Joe Johnson play until he's like 60. So, um
38:58 Yeah, I mean I don't know even just Joe Amir Johnson was there
39:03 Oh
39:05 Johnson's on that court. I feel like a mere Johnson's a bigger throwback than Joe Johnson at this point to be honest
39:11 There you go. Yeah Kaufman to answer your question
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41:51 You know you mentioned Brock Purdy there was some other news during our show right here
41:56 That is not all that relevant to us, but would be a big story depending on where you live
42:02 Brock Purdy very much the guy Jimmy Garoppolo as we know
42:06 He's a Raider now and Trey Lance has been shipped out who traded to the Dallas Cowboys
42:11 Party who called this from literally the draft that Trey Lance was drafted that it wasn't really the guy that they really wanted so
42:23 Shout out the party
42:25 Well, I mean they're probably thinking Dak will probably get hurt right so
42:31 First round pick I still give him a shot totally I don't know what the compensation was couldn't have been to - can't be much
42:37 Can't be much
42:39 In terms of guys who could join the Celtics still greenie we had the notable workouts that at least were reported
42:48 We don't really know anything about them, but TJ Warren and Lamar Stevens
42:51 He got one player and Warren who I really wanted the Celtics to get about this time last year
42:56 Before he you know wound up elsewhere and is you know, certainly the better offensive player when he's available and healthy
43:03 That's sort of the question the injury passed there with him Lamar Stevens the better defensive player more of a high-energy guy
43:09 Which one is the more important in addition if the Celtics even do sign one of these two guys?
43:15 Yeah, it's tough because I think first of all, you know
43:20 The hope is that we never have to see either of these guys play substantial minutes
43:24 like that's first and foremost, but I think when you look at how their rosters structure now Oh
43:30 Shaper set is kind of your defensive first high-energy wing
43:35 You just drafted Jordan Walsh as a defensive first high-energy wing
43:40 What you don't have is a big
43:44 6/8 or 6 6 6 7 wing shock creator, right?
43:49 Like that's just in terms of skill sets. You don't have that right now after the two J's
43:54 So because how's are like he's a spot-up guy
43:57 You're not he's you're not giving him the ball and say Sam Howser go get me a bucket
44:01 Yeah, TJ Warren is healthy
44:03 I think I lean that way just because you know, we've seen it in the past. I think he's probably
44:10 60% of bubble TJ Warren at this point, but even you know, you're talking the 14th 15th guy on the roster
44:18 So in that aspect in in terms of the skills that they have I lean more TJ Warren
44:24 Like that's a guy you could see in the middle of January get hot for like 20 points off the bench and carry an offense
44:31 Maybe Jalen has a rest night something like that
44:34 Knowing that it probably means we're gonna get Lamar Stevens because Brad loves
44:40 Defensive first guys who says we can teach you how to shoot
44:45 So that's probably where they go
44:47 but I think I think I lean Warren just because I'm just I'm just dreaming of bubble Warren and how
44:54 Unstoppable he was as a player
44:56 But he didn't really do too much in Phoenix pre trade pre Kevin Durant trade
45:01 So the expectations are probably a little high for what he actually is. He is not gonna give you anything defensively
45:08 He's not you know gonna be a playmaker for you
45:12 He is strictly there I so and get you buckets. I just I think you don't have it
45:17 So go that route, but I do think that they need to give one of those spots to Blake of their of their final two
45:23 I just think he's a guy that you know works. He can hit the occasional three. He rebounds
45:29 He fits with the the vibe of the locker room
45:32 But in terms of the wings, I think it's probably gonna be teach. All right should be TJ Warren. I
45:38 Just think if you're gonna draft Jordan Walsh and actually have a planned on role for him this year getting Lamar Stephens
45:45 It's just gonna really interrupt that
45:47 And I'm look
45:49 You know
45:50 I don't know if I'm on the in the front seat or if I'm near the front of the bus on the Jordan Walsh bandwagon
45:55 But I'm way up there. I
45:57 Just I think it's very interesting
45:59 I think they got a guy who's got a lot of tools and if they can develop him the right way
46:04 He could be a potential, you know problem for it
46:06 Not like I'm not like a Jason Tatum problem
46:08 But you can really carve out a nice role for himself and I don't need Lamar Steve and like look and I'm not gonna sit
46:13 Here and tell you I'm the Lamar Stephens expert
46:15 Like I think anybody that says that there are Lamar Stephens experts probably lying to you
46:19 Like I know you played a Penn State good score at Penn State Penn State Big Ten basketball is more known for being more
46:24 Of a slog and defensive so, you know, he brings that but I'm not gonna sit here and say I've grinded Lamar Stephens tape
46:30 I'm not I'm just not it's not part of my thing TJ Warren. Yeah, I've caught a couple of glimpses of TJ Warren
46:35 I know what he brings to the table and it's like, you know, if you could get a little bit of Terrence Ross
46:39 You know sort of that kind of guy
46:41 I'm really into that but I'm more about trying to not step on the toes of younger guys
46:45 And I think the greenie with the way you've said it like maybe they want to give
46:49 Jalen or Jason and off night like who's the guy off the bench that's gonna score on the wing. They don't have that's that's where I
46:57 Fall in line with that the Blake Griffin thing just for vibes that guy fits in this locker room
47:03 Well, and I do think they're gonna miss a voice in the locker room with Marcus smart now that he's gone
47:09 I think bring a guy in Blake who clearly gelled well with this crew
47:14 I mean he talked about I believe on a barstool pot. Yeah. Yeah on the foreplay
47:18 So he talked about how awesome the experience was playing in Boston
47:23 he talked about how humble Jason Tatum is how he treats everybody like
47:26 They're like his brother and he has so much respect for every single person that works in the organization
47:32 I think it's important to keep the locker room camaraderie
47:37 The same as best as you can when you jettison a huge part of it
47:42 I don't think a lot of people understand that the NBA season being a two games too long
47:47 And now we have this in-season tournament
47:48 It's a long season and you're gonna get pissed at each other get bored of each other
47:52 You know each other and having a guy like Blake who keeps it light and fresh and funny
47:57 Like I forget who they play a prank on a grant in the middle of a game and like Tatum like could not contain himself
48:02 He was laughing so hard the grant grant had no clue what's going on and Blake could barely keep a straight face like it's
48:08 It's important like yeah, the hustle plays are cool. Like I like Blake's not gonna play a ton
48:14 You know sacrifices life, you know what you're getting at this stage for Blake
48:21 There's a reason why Miami kept you done us a haslam around like it's just important to have a guy there
48:26 Like maybe he's not you don't his haslam in terms of the heat culture or whatever, but he's someone that
48:31 understands the grind of basketball and understands the importance of having a guy on the team that can make people laugh like I it's
48:39 Critical I think to have a guy like that and I just like that's not Tatum. That's not Jalen. That's not Derek white
48:46 It's not Al Horford. I'm pretty sure poor Zingas is not like a funny rah-rah-rah guy. Like that's just not his thing
48:51 That's there. He's a funny dude
48:54 But like that's it's at like I think him and Blake have this great synergy like the bus one group at the bus one boys
49:00 like that's I think that's hugely important and I and I'm I think Brad understands that maybe better than anybody else in terms of
49:06 Being like a pobo because he was in the locker room
49:10 Like he's someone who's coached through seasons and gone through those slugs, but thinking it's I think he'll understand that but yeah
49:17 if we're gonna pick one of the new like the Glen Robinsons or the other I forget the other guy that they
49:22 Will be king I think from the that has had it's gotten a look. I think of the guys
49:26 I think Warren's the guy just because of what he brings from an offensive standpoint, even though like I feel like they have enough offense
49:33 They should go defense, but I just don't want to step on on the next, you know, Sean Marion Jordan Walsh's toes
49:39 I'm just not trying to do that
49:41 Not only that but like we've already sort of put all of our eggs in the injury risk basket
49:46 You may as well double down on
49:52 Too much of an injury concern for the roster like listen, we're that's our life now so committed, baby
49:57 he's another guy who would raise your ceiling and
50:00 Again, we're talking about the 14th guy. Like if TJ Warren ends up not being healthy like that's not gonna
50:06 Decrease the Celtics title odds, but if he proves to be healthy that raises your ceiling
50:13 I mean listen if this team ends up hoisting banner 18 to the Raptors you might have to on that giant
50:21 Long white banner just in a little corner, but a little ambulance
50:25 Yeah, like this is the I mean, this is this is peak Hospital Celtics
50:31 Maybe Brad knew that in order to win the title he had to go full Hospital Celtics like
50:38 You never go full hospitals
50:42 Like how many times can we have devastating season-ending injuries, right like at some point you just have to you know
50:51 You got to get the other side of the coin and maybe that's gonna be this year. I don't know
50:55 That's what I'm telling myself as I cry myself to sleep is basically what I'm telling you
50:59 Well, and then you get up in the middle of the night to watch feeble World Cup basketball. So well, that's I can't wait for tomorrow
51:04 That's gonna be exciting
51:06 any
51:08 And before we wrap up we've been going about an hour is there anything that
51:12 Anything left for you?
51:14 like anything that you're waiting on or interested in that has to play itself out between now and
51:20 The start of trading camp other than filling out the back end of the roster. I
51:24 Am interested. I don't know if they've if they've done their full roster
51:30 But I feel like the Thunder have to cut a couple more players, right?
51:34 I think they they're slowly trimming down
51:37 There are some interesting names that are on their bubble that I think maybe
51:41 Could be interesting candidates
51:44 in terms of else around the league, I mean
51:47 Everything is pretty I mean, we're in like the dog days. I got one
51:51 Well, I got a topic here and I got a shout out Jason Tim because I think this is just gonna if it hits the
51:58 Right people this will take off
52:00 He had a he had a little clip the that went I saw it on my timeline today
52:05 But it was very interesting
52:08 He called Jimmy Butler
52:15 And I was like I was like man
52:17 like I
52:19 Really you see this like there's just a ton of bad blood between Miami and Boston right now
52:23 Like just the fan bases and I'm like just chill out guys. It's August like we don't need to do this
52:27 Like go outside like touch grass all that stuff, but I thought I was interesting
52:31 He was like think about like Paul Pierce's career in terms of like he's a little unorthodox
52:36 He's like he's not Kobe, but at the same time like he's a big game player
52:40 That doesn't command as much respect in the regular season
52:44 But you look at his postseason stuff and he look at the game winners and the game tying shots
52:48 Like he's got all this stuff all this fanfare and Jimmy
52:50 Yes, similarly, you know sort of similar career like not very heralded has gotten close but never gotten over the hump as yet
52:59 At least you know with with Miami and with Philly and with the Wolves and with Chicago Bulls
53:04 I just thought it was an interesting thing to bring up considering how much the two fan bases hate each other right now
53:10 If you go and you look at all the replies to that it's what's funny about this and I and actually I blogged
53:16 I think I think it just went out but he fans are like this is so disrespectful to Jimmy Butler
53:22 Something kids. This is so disrespectful to the ball Pierce
53:26 I will say for our first ballot top 75 team member
53:31 Paul Pierce might be the most disrespected like top 50 guy of all time that we have like people throw around
53:39 Being compared to Paul Pierce like there's a ton of people that compare to him in the league
53:44 Like Paul Pierce is 20th all-time in scoring
53:47 He is legitimately one of the greatest small forwards to ever play in the NBA
53:52 Like I think we need to pump the brakes on that and when we talk with Butler, it's like
53:57 When he comes up short and has no show games in the finals
54:02 That doesn't seem to like get used against him in the right here
54:07 Right, like Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown get crucified
54:11 For losing in the Eastern Conference finals and losing in the finals
54:15 But there are other star players who don't even make it as far
54:19 Who seem to skate like what like do you think Luka gets half the flack that Jason Tatum gets despite not having any?
54:26 So it's like Paul Pierce went to the finals one finals MVP
54:34 like you don't get to discredit that and compare that to a guy who was on the biggest stage and
54:41 Didn't win finals MVP and didn't have that same impact
54:45 so it's like I just feel because of what Pierce does in retirement and his hot takes and all that stuff like
54:51 people think it's like
54:53 He's not one of the best players to ever walk the earth when he's a first ballot Hall of Famer top 75
55:00 Team guy like you almost have to put some legitimate respect on his name as a basketball player
55:05 So, I don't know I saw that and I just laughed cuz like on what planet would a heat fan ever say?
55:11 It's disrespectful to Jimmy Butler to be compared to Paul Pierce
55:15 Like I get that it's the cool thing to like crap on Pierce on Twitter and all that stuff
55:21 But like he's legitimately one of the 50 best players to ever play
55:26 Yeah, I mean I stand I'm with you I'm with you I'm not here for Paul Pierce slander man
55:32 But at the same time like he fans can talk all the junk they want because of what happened this spring
55:39 So it's already won the title who cares?
55:41 I don't want to hear anything from heat fans like these are the seats in with a title either like who cares like
55:46 Jokic one he was awesome. I have one more recently though
55:51 We'll give him that
55:53 Yes, so get LeBron there to do it, but you know, that's a whole other thing. Yeah. All right. Well, we're getting closer
56:01 I'm curious, you know that it's always interesting to me this time of the year
56:04 I'm curious what we're gonna be talking about next week
56:07 You know
56:07 Maybe maybe TJ Warren or Lamar Stevens or both or Boston Celtics at that point
56:11 Maybe Blake Griffin is part of the fold or maybe some will just say something stupid that we'll be able to react to for however
56:17 long but either way
56:19 This was good. A lot of good conversation this one
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56:41 No, no matter how much you dump on us if you dump on us, it's I mean you got your invisalign in or what?
56:49 I know they're they're in there and yeah
56:52 Just just getting a just get a little smoother with it a little bit less of a lisp after a few weeks
56:58 Although I'm ready to eat something though man tell you that right now
57:03 Greedy, thanks for hopping on with us, buddy. Hi guys anytime, you know, I'm here for you
57:08 I will bug you again. You can count on that for ev for Bardstuhl greenie. I'm Adam. We'll talk to you again
57:13 This has been Celtics beat and enjoy the rest of August folks. Happy betting
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