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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, dear viewers, I am Khawar Guman and I am here with the reporters of the program.
00:03 Dear viewers, the Official Secret Act, we talked about it yesterday,
00:08 and there has been a lot of reaction across the board that it is being amended in an inappropriate way.
00:15 Today, the Pakistan Bar Council has also reacted to it.
00:17 They have said that Article 8, 9, 10 of the Constitution gives a fundamental right to any accused of a failed trial.
00:25 Therefore, it is being amended in a wrong way and it should not be done.
00:30 Also, as you know, the hearings are being held in the military courts for civilians.
00:37 Barrister Ittizaz Ahsan Sahib has come to the rostrum and he has requested the Chief Justice
00:43 that this is an inappropriate law and a notice should be taken on it.
00:49 But when it was said that it is in the Senate and is under discussion,
00:55 and it has not been amended, we will see what happens to it later.
00:58 The second story, you know, is at the Tosha Khana.
01:02 Additional civil judge Dilawar Sahib is running this case very fast.
01:07 The chairman of PTI has gone to the Islamabad High Court and is now getting information that the hearing has been held.
01:15 He is asking whether this case can be heard and whether the decision has been made at the lower court level.
01:22 The decision will be heard tomorrow.
01:25 Let's move on to our top story for today.
01:28 Is the election going to happen on time or not?
01:34 Is the new census going to happen?
01:37 We have to notify the government whether the Council of Common Interest meeting is going to be called or not.
01:45 Until yesterday, there were news that it could be called in the next one or two days.
01:51 We have also talked about it through various means and news is also going on.
01:56 The government has checked from all sides.
01:59 The government has also talked to the experts in the field.
02:02 They have read the articles and have read whether we can do this work.
02:07 Can the elections be delayed by making an excuse for the census?
02:15 They have all given the same advice that this will be a very controversial issue.
02:22 We don't need to go into this.
02:24 These conditions will go towards ruin.
02:27 We will follow the old census of 2017 and we will move forward with the election process.
02:38 It is important to tell you that the issues will be resolved on time.
02:49 But you will remember that two days ago, the President of Pakistan Muslim League, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
02:56 during an interview, he said that it is possible.
03:03 After that, the discussion started.
03:06 It is important to listen to his interview.
03:09 The CCI meeting has not been held yet.
03:12 Will you resolve this issue?
03:15 It is possible that the CCI meeting will be held.
03:19 Will it be settled whether it is a new or old census?
03:22 We have to go to the elections under the new census.
03:27 For that, we will take the results of the elections to the CCI.
03:36 This is a legal requirement in the CCI.
03:40 This census is a CCI subject.
03:43 But you are on the new census, so it should not be on it.
03:46 It should not be on the new census unless there is an obstacle that I cannot see.
03:55 Other than that, the election commission will be in their court.
04:01 The Prime Minister said that he does not see any obstacle that cannot be crossed.
04:08 But of course, he has the constitution.
04:13 Article 153 of the constitution is in front of you.
04:16 In Urdu, the translation is that the Council of Common Interest is notified by the President.
04:23 When a new Prime Minister is elected, he has to make it within 30 days.
04:31 All four ministries and all three federal cabinets are members of this committee.
04:41 This forum decides with the majority.
04:46 But the important point of Article 154, Class 7, is that
04:53 if the federal government or provincial government raises objections to a subject before the CCI,
05:04 it has to take it to the joint sitting.
05:09 Article 7 says that if the federal government or provincial government is dissatisfied with the decision of the council,
05:18 it may refer the matter to the Majlis-e-Shura Parliament in a joint sitting,
05:23 whose decision in this behalf shall be final.
05:27 If there is a problem in the decision, then any province, the Chief Minister can object to it.
05:35 You can take it to a joint sitting.
05:39 But the question is that the forum is made up of four high-ranking ministers of the provinces.
05:53 In Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the forum is incomplete.
06:14 The non-representative governments, the Nigrahan government, say in Article 224 that they are looking at a day-to-day matter.
06:23 They cannot decide on a long-term policy-making decision.
06:26 So, Mohsin Naqvi from Punjab and Azam Khan from KP, can they represent?
06:34 Last night, I was listening to Mr. Lateef Khosla. He talked about this in a very detailed manner.
06:41 In two provinces, that is, two-thirds of Pakistan, Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
06:47 there is no Chief Minister. Murad Ali Shah has also opposed it.
06:51 So, there can be no meeting of the CCI.
06:54 It is heard that ten seats are increasing in Balochistan.
06:57 If you want to increase, you will have to amend Article 51(3) and amend the constitution.
07:05 And for the amendment of the constitution, you need two members who are not there at the moment.
07:12 Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Singh, what are you looking at? What are you thinking?
07:17 You have read a lot about the constitution.
07:20 Mr. Sahib, look at this.
07:23 In the CCI meeting, what does the constitution say? Can a KTK government also cast its vote as a member?
07:38 Or can the elected government only do it?
07:41 Absolutely right.
07:43 We will have to see this.
07:46 No, no, we are seeing that. After that, yes.
07:48 But, look at this.
07:53 I have told you that let the government go once.
07:59 Such big and serious incidents will come up that you will be shocked.
08:04 The word will be small.
08:06 What was happening and where were we?
08:08 We were lost.
08:10 We were in Tosha Khana and Mosha Khana.
08:12 We did not go out.
08:14 It has been 15 months and 15 days.
08:16 There are two things.
08:18 Yes, yes, sir. Please go ahead.
08:20 First, the intention of not having an election should be put on the constitution.
08:26 And the election should be held under the constitution.
08:29 And second, all the parties that people want to cast their vote should get the opportunity to participate.
08:37 And third, they should not be able to change the results through their own means, through massive rigging.
08:56 So, the caretaker set-ups should be helped.
09:04 And there should be someone who is not Punjabi, who is not a son of a man.
09:10 So that the balance of power and the balance of the balance should be maintained.
09:16 He should not be treated against anyone.
09:19 With respect, Mr. Chaudhary, Mr. Sikandar Sultan Rai is sitting here.
09:22 Election Commissioner, Chief Election Commissioner, we have full hope from his house.
09:26 No, I am talking of the caretaker government.
09:28 No, sir, the supervision of the caretaker government should be monitored during elections.
09:34 It is done by the Election Commission.
09:36 Okay, viewers, let's come back to the CCI.
09:38 Because, as Mr. Prime Minister said, it is a very serious matter.
09:41 It is a matter of national importance.
09:43 So, we have to go to the CCI.
09:45 On this, viewers, please see again.
09:48 Article 154, subclass 7 of 54, what is it saying?
09:54 It is saying that the loyal government is a member of the Prime Minister and four sub-committees.
10:01 If any of them object, even if the majority has decided, then you will have to take it to the joint sitting.
10:10 Murad Ali, our respected Mr. Shah.
10:14 It has to be unanimous.
10:16 Exactly. No, no, I am saying that the majority can decide.
10:20 But if a key member, a federal government or a provincial government, objects to it,
10:26 then you have to take the matter to the joint sitting.
10:31 So that a joint resolution comes from the house.
10:37 The joint parliament should find out where this decision is going to go.
10:43 So, even if one object, as Mr. Murad Ali Shah said...
10:46 I mean, there are only two options. Either it is unanimous, or it is a majority.
10:55 So, either of the two.
10:57 It is not that both can't do it.
11:00 So, what would they say?
11:01 If for example, Punjab says that we are not the imams, then what will happen?
11:06 Yes, that is what I am saying, that it cannot be.
11:08 Let's see what Mr. Murad Ali Shah said, who is the sitting elected chief minister of Sindh.
11:15 This was completely wrong.
11:17 And I have objections to this in great detail with the federation.
11:22 And I have told them.
11:24 If this comes in the CCI, I will raise those objections.
11:28 And I can give my point of view that I am not in a position to approve or vote in favour of the census that has taken place at this time.
11:39 If our concerns are not addressed.
11:41 Elections should be held on time.
11:43 And the elections should not be delayed due to census or any other reason.
11:48 Viewers, in our program, we have...
11:50 This is a strange joke of the census.
11:53 The people of Karachi, their population has also decreased.
11:57 They say that we do not accept.
11:59 Give us another crore.
12:01 And the other...
12:02 Well, we discussed that yesterday.
12:05 But the matter has come to the fore.
12:07 Mr. Abu Zar Niazi is a senior lawyer.
12:09 He often comes to our program.
12:11 Thank you very much, Abu Zar.
12:12 Okay, tell me that this is a CCI matter.
12:15 Article 153 is also in front of you.
12:17 Article 54 is also in front of you.
12:19 So, if the current setup is the government.
12:22 Respected Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif says that there is no obstacle.
12:26 We should take it to the CCI.
12:28 The obstacles are the rules that are being told.
12:30 In that regard, you also guide us.
12:32 I and Mr. Chaudhary are not reading the rules wrongly.
12:35 Look, Mr. Khawar, I was listening and learning from you.
12:41 Especially from Mr. Chaudhary, he was telling us about the rules.
12:44 I will clarify a little in this.
12:47 There are two articles that cater to the Council of Common Interest.
12:51 One is your Article 153, which tells you the composition.
12:55 Who will be in it.
12:57 There are three federal ministers.
13:00 There are eight people in total.
13:02 It is not written that he will be elected.
13:07 The interim CM can also be.
13:09 But I come to this.
13:10 Before that, I come to its functions.
13:12 The article written in Article 154.
13:14 This is our relevant article.
13:16 It is written that the Federal Legislative List Part 2.
13:21 In related matters, it will have the role of supervision.
13:25 Council of Common Interest.
13:27 Now, entry 9 talks about your census.
13:31 He has the power of supervision.
13:34 Now, how will his decisions be?
13:37 It is written clearly in Article 154.
13:40 The decision will be by majority.
13:42 If there are eight people, then if five people decide,
13:45 then it will prevail.
13:47 You were discussing a question.
13:50 If a province has an issue with it, if it has an objection,
13:54 then what will happen?
13:56 You read the method of it.
13:58 It is written in Article 154.
14:01 If someone has an objection, a problem with the decision,
14:05 then it will go to the joint sitting of the parliament.
14:09 Then it can be overruled from there.
14:11 If the decision of the Council of Common Interest is made,
14:14 then it is binding.
14:15 The Supreme Court has also come to the judgment.
14:17 The Lahore High Court has also come to the judgment.
14:19 If we unpack it again, for the general understanding,
14:23 that if Sindh objects to it, Punjab does it,
14:27 the Council of Common Interest's decision is made by the majority,
14:30 then it will have to be taken to the joint sitting.
14:33 Without that, you cannot take it forward.
14:35 There is only one way to set it aside,
14:38 that is, your joint sitting will be held.
14:40 Either the Supreme Court or the High Court sets it aside,
14:43 it is very difficult that this is against fundamental rights.
14:46 That is a separate debate.
14:48 But the method in Article 154 is that
14:51 the province that has an objection, a grievance,
14:54 will go to the joint sitting,
14:56 a hearing will be held,
14:58 then it can be set aside there.
15:00 But if the majority has taken a decision,
15:02 then it is binding.
15:03 The federal government will not be able to set it aside
15:05 until it is overruled from the joint sitting.
15:07 Let's come back to Article 153.
15:11 It is very clear in it that
15:13 when a new Prime Minister takes an oath,
15:16 then it should be constituted within 30 days.
15:19 So the spirit of the Ayin is talked about,
15:21 the spirit of the Ayin is talked about,
15:23 that the elected representative
15:25 should be on the federal level or the provincial level.
15:28 The decision is basically taken.
15:30 You people told us,
15:32 not the lawyer, but the Ayin-e-Mahirin,
15:34 that Article 224, the government,
15:37 has no use in giving its opinion on long-term policy-making decisions.
15:41 So can a chief minister
15:44 take part in such policy-making decisions?
15:49 People have different opinions on this too.
15:51 What do you say?
15:53 Yes, absolutely.
15:54 Mr. Khawer, I was coming to this issue.
15:56 You yourself raised the question.
15:57 Look, in Article 153,
15:59 the word 'chief minister' is written.
16:02 But if we look at the spirit of the Ayin,
16:04 the caretaker CM's point is there,
16:07 where there are two articles in the whole Ayin.
16:09 Rest, wherever the word 'chief minister' is used,
16:12 or 'federal minister' is used,
16:13 or 'prime minister' is used,
16:15 its interpretation,
16:16 which we call 'purposive interpretation',
16:18 is that you are an elected chief minister.
16:21 Because what is the purpose of the Council of Common Trust?
16:23 That the representatives of the people of different provinces
16:26 are of cooperative federalism,
16:27 and everyone is present there.
16:29 So is a caretaker CM a representative of the people?
16:33 No.
16:34 So the spirit of the Ayin,
16:36 its essence, is negated.
16:38 Absolutely right.
16:39 Mr. Chaudhary wants to talk to you.
16:41 Mr. Chaudhary.
16:42 Yes.
16:43 Mr. Niyazi,
16:44 their work is not the work of the CCI,
16:47 or the law,
16:48 or the Parliamentary Assembly,
16:50 or the consensus,
16:51 or the majority.
16:52 It is not an issue.
16:53 They are looking for excuses
16:56 that somehow,
16:57 God forbid,
16:58 it should not happen,
17:00 or there should not be an election.
17:02 So you read your law and Ayin,
17:05 and give them a prescription,
17:07 or something like that,
17:08 or give them a provision or article,
17:11 that you sit with it till the next day,
17:14 and no one should ask you
17:16 what is happening here,
17:18 what destruction is happening,
17:20 and that there should not be an election.
17:22 Why?
17:23 Because election means their political death.
17:26 The question is,
17:27 Mr. Niyazi,
17:28 if Shahbaz Sharif does not want to have an election,
17:31 or the current government does not want to have an election,
17:34 then what are the options in the Ayin,
17:37 apart from the emergency,
17:38 that this current setup should be continued,
17:42 or the supervisory setup should be continued,
17:45 like it is in Punjab and KP.
17:47 Look,
17:48 first let me clear one thing.
17:50 Look,
17:51 Article 51,
17:53 I think the legal advice he is giving on the census,
17:57 is wrong.
17:58 Even if the census is done,
18:00 after that you have to increase the seats.
18:03 Article 51,
18:04 the seats of the National Assembly are written,
18:06 336,
18:08 332,
18:09 and 342 seats.
18:11 If you want to increase or decrease them,
18:13 then you need to amend the Ayin.
18:15 Even if the census is done,
18:17 you cannot increase the seats of the National Assembly,
18:20 you need to amend the Ayin.
18:23 So, this excuse of the census,
18:25 I see a way to delay the election,
18:27 but there is no scope for it in the Ayin.
18:29 Mr. Satyip Khuda,
18:32 you may have heard,
18:34 I will tell you about it,
18:36 because the elections of the Senate are also coming up,
18:38 Mr. Satyip Khuda has talked about this as well.
18:40 Listen to this.
18:41 If they say that they will delay it,
18:43 then in March,
18:45 half of the Senate,
18:47 half of the Senate will retire in March.
18:51 If half of the Senate retires,
18:53 and the Assemblies are not formed,
18:55 then the elections of the Senate will also be stalled.
19:00 Similarly, Mr. Kamran Murtaza has also shed light on this,
19:06 he has expressed his views,
19:08 that they can notify the new people,
19:10 whether they listen to the current government or not.
19:13 If the report of the census is notified,
19:16 then the seats of some will increase,
19:18 and the seats of some will decrease.
19:20 When it increases or decreases,
19:22 then a constitutional amendment will be required for it.
19:24 And when a constitutional amendment is required,
19:26 then where is the house for it?
19:28 At this time, we are not making a constitutional amendment.
19:30 Sir, this is fine,
19:31 but suppose that the seats of the house remain the same,
19:33 but there are some changes in the interior,
19:35 that there are only 100 seats,
19:36 but for example,
19:37 the number of seats in this province should be increased.
19:38 In that case, it is not necessary to amend it, right?
19:40 No, no, that is not possible.
19:42 Because as a result of that,
19:44 it has a consequence,
19:46 and according to the population,
19:48 you will do the things according to the population,
19:51 otherwise, a new problem will arise.
19:52 So you are also saying that it is not possible to have elections under the new census?
19:56 No, no.
19:58 Viewers, we will take a short break now.
20:00 After the break, we will continue our discussion.
20:02 We will ask more questions to Abuzar Niazi.
20:06 We will try to shed light on what is the constitution,
20:10 what is the meaning of the word 'mum',
20:12 the meaning of the word 'mum'.
20:13 Sir, if you don't want to go back to your own opinion,
20:15 the present government officials, stay with us.
20:17 Welcome back.
20:18 Mr. Niazi, please tell us,
20:20 all the articles of the constitution are clear.
20:25 The experts are very clear.
20:27 The people of the United Nations are very clear in this regard.
20:32 But the respected Prime Minister was also making a statement a while ago.
20:36 If you let the producers hear it again,
20:38 they are saying that I don't think there is any obstacle.
20:42 You are not on the new census, that it should be done.
20:45 What has happened, should be done.
20:47 Unless there is an unacceptable obstacle,
20:52 which I don't see,
20:55 apart from that, the election commission will be in their court.
21:00 So, Abuzar Niazi and Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin,
21:03 our respected Prime Minister is not seeing any obstacle.
21:07 Why are you seeing such big obstacles?
21:09 Mr. Niazi, first.
21:11 Look, Mr. Khawar, there is no obstacle.
21:15 The INS is very clear.
21:16 You made me listen to those clips.
21:18 I was also saying the same.
21:19 If your census is approved,
21:21 and then you want to increase the seats,
21:23 for that you need to amend the constitution.
21:25 And to amend it, you need a two-third majority.
21:28 And it is a pity that our elected Prime Minister,
21:31 who is a leader of a democratic party,
21:34 is saying such things that we can pass this.
21:38 I think he should be given the law by the Attorney General.
21:41 I think this law should be taught again to the law minister.
21:43 Or he should read it himself.
21:44 This law is very clear.
21:45 There is no ambiguity in this.
21:47 Mr. Niazi, what country are you talking about?
21:50 He has made all the laws and regulations.
21:54 They have destroyed the very foundation of the constitution.
21:58 When they were supposed to hold elections in 90 days,
22:00 they didn't hold them.
22:01 And they have defied the Supreme Court.
22:03 And they are still sitting.
22:05 They are still on the same path.
22:07 They plan to avoid elections in the country.
22:12 Come what may.
22:14 Mr. Niazi, I would like to add something.
22:17 It is written that the president has been set in Punjab and KP.
22:21 The two decisions of the Supreme Court have also been made.
22:23 Article 105 of the constitution is very clear that
22:26 elections should be held not later than 90 days.
22:28 Now I see that Mr. Mohsin Naqvi is inaugurating projects on the basis of daily.
22:33 There is a fight in KP that these are mine, these are yours.
22:38 All the matters are going on there.
22:40 So which constitution and which law are you talking about?
22:43 Mr. Khawar, I am a student of law.
22:46 We have to raise our voice.
22:48 We have to talk about the law, we have to talk about the constitution.
22:50 Now it is not being implemented.
22:51 But we should not sit quietly on this.
22:53 In fact, you are also journalists.
22:55 You should raise your voice for the democracy of the country.
22:58 No doubt, the constitution is non-existent in this country.
23:01 They should break their bones.
23:03 But we will not stop our voice.
23:06 We will still keep raising our voice.
23:07 No, God willing, we will not stop.
23:09 Mr. Chaudhary, Shahe Khakhan Abasi is giving very good words about this parliament.
23:16 You listen to it and make your own impression on it.
23:19 Listen to it.
23:20 This is the worst parliament in the history of Pakistan.
23:23 This is the worst parliament in the history of Pakistan.
23:27 Mr. Chaudhary, listen to it.
23:31 He is saying that this is the worst parliament in the history of Pakistan.
23:34 I will be quiet.
23:35 After that, you have heard about the new league of Prime Minister.
23:41 Yesterday I was listening to Aishan Iqbal.
23:44 In an interview, he was saying that there can be 9-10 weeks delay.
23:50 Law Minister was also saying that there is no big problem.
23:54 Article 254 of the constitution covers such delays.
23:58 Today, our respected Mr. Javed Lateef was seen in the media.
24:03 He said that there is no delay in the elections.
24:06 Listen to it.
24:07 The Muslim League does not want a delay in the elections even for a day.
24:14 If the legal aspects are taken into consideration according to the new constitution,
24:20 then it is not possible to have elections according to the new constitution.
24:26 It is possible to have elections on time according to the old constitution.
24:34 This is also in the interest of Pakistan.
24:38 The sooner the elections are held on time, the better for Pakistan.
24:45 One thing is that he is a honest man.
24:50 He also said that the democracy has weakened in the last 15 months.
24:57 In these 15 months, people say that democracy has weakened.
25:02 Yes, it has weakened.
25:04 Let's move on to the next subject.
25:08 It is also about the constitution and the law.
25:11 I have also heard that Mr. Khawer Gommar is sitting in Islamabad.
25:16 He is also in the cabinet. He is asking to bring him to the cabinet.
25:22 We also want to be in the cabinet.
25:25 We have not been able to get a list of ministers.
25:29 When our Chief Minister can become the prime minister of Pakistan,
25:35 why can't we become the prime minister?
25:38 Dr. Asgiri Asad is also in the cabinet.
25:42 He is a professor.
25:46 Mr. Niazi, the next important aspect is that
25:51 the government has passed about 54 laws in the last 4-5 days.
25:56 Some of them have been sent to the President of Pakistan.
26:01 Some have been signed by the common people.
26:06 Article 76 of the constitution is very clear.
26:11 If the President of Pakistan has a 10-day option,
26:15 he does not accept the law.
26:18 He will have to come back.
26:20 If he comes back, the law will go into a joint sitting.
26:23 The National Assembly has to end 10 days before.
26:27 It is clear that the law will lapse.
26:31 The role of the President of Pakistan will be of great importance in the coming days.
26:39 What do you say, Mr. Niazi?
26:42 If the President of Pakistan adopts the 10-day option,
26:47 and does not sign it,
26:49 all the controversial laws have been passed by the people.
26:53 Will they lapse?
26:55 I will answer this.
26:57 You have said that they have passed 54 laws.
27:00 There was a very famous Greek author.
27:03 I will say a little.
27:05 He said that the more the government makes, the more corrupt it is.
27:11 The more laws are made, the more corrupt the government will be.
27:15 This means that the law that is taking away people's fundamental rights,
27:20 the way people speak,
27:24 the way they want to speak,
27:26 the way they speak,
27:29 if you make a law for the betterment of people, it is fine.
27:35 But if you make a law to compromise people's fundamental rights,
27:39 the more the law is made, the more corrupt the government is.
27:42 Because people do not let their mistakes be known.
27:48 The shortcomings of the government.
27:50 The media is talking about controversial laws.
27:54 But Khursheed Shah is the senior leader of the LDP.
27:58 He himself believes that the laws that we are passing are controversial.
28:03 And whatever new government comes, it will finish it.
28:06 But why are you doing this?
28:09 Listen to what Shah is saying.
28:11 I am sorry that these small things are affecting us.
28:19 Legislation means full debate.
28:23 All these doubts, all these arguments,
28:28 all these legislations, they will finish.
28:30 The new government will come and finish it.
28:32 The new government will come whenever it comes.
28:34 Yes, no one will accept this legislation.
28:37 Similarly, I was seeing that Alia Kamran also spoke,
28:42 but Kamran Murtaza said a very important thing,
28:45 that nothing is being shared with us.
28:48 All the laws that are being made, are being passed.
28:51 They are not being shared.
28:55 Listen to this.
28:57 We are also a part of the government, but our party members are not.
29:02 I asked Asad, the son of Maulana, who is the leader of the parliament,
29:06 he said that he is not a part of anything.
29:09 And even I don't know.
29:11 I don't understand why he is doing this.
29:15 He is our friend, but we don't accept this at all.
29:20 Thank you very much for your time, Mr. Abuzar Niazi.
29:23 This segment is now coming to an end.
29:25 Mr. Niazi was right, that the reason for passing more laws,
29:28 which he gave as a reference,
29:31 is that if you are more corrupt, then you need to pass more laws.
29:37 Another very important issue, which we will talk about after the break,
29:41 is that our parliamentarians,
29:44 especially during the members of the national assemblies,
29:47 which are being held for the past five years,
29:50 are making a lot of noise about the licensing of the illegal arms.
30:00 What is the story behind this?
30:02 We will have some details about this after the break.
30:05 Welcome back.
30:06 Ladies and gentlemen, the law that you are seeing,
30:09 is being passed in accordance with the law of the National Assembly.
30:12 Another important issue that is being discussed there is that
30:15 the members of the National Assembly are saying that
30:18 we will have to go to our own limits from Islamabad.
30:21 The security situation in the country is not good,
30:25 so issue us a license so that we can make some arrangements for our security.
30:30 You can see this in the newspapers.
30:32 There is a news in the Jankah Pakht,
30:34 that they cannot even issue a license,
30:37 so what is the point?
30:38 The members of the National Assembly tore up the file.
30:41 The Minister of Internal Affairs has said that
30:45 they are working on a daily basis.
30:48 Every parliamentarian has five to ten files with them.
30:51 They are working day and night.
30:53 You can see the headlines of the world newspapers.
30:56 The National Assembly is asking for a license to be issued within a week.
31:03 The Speaker has given a ruling.
31:05 The News of the Time also says that Arkan is protesting against the issue of a license.
31:11 Zulkar Nain, our reporter, covers the Interior Ministry,
31:16 will ask him what is happening.
31:19 There are so many requests for a license.
31:23 There are hundreds, thousands, what is going on?
31:27 When the government is ending,
31:30 the people of Chandi are saying that they have to earn money.
31:36 It is not just about voting.
31:39 There is a law that is in effect.
31:42 The license is being issued for 1 lakh to 1.5 lakh rupees.
31:48 The 9mm, which is illegal,
31:52 is issued for 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 per license.
31:56 The situation is such that when a committee has been formed,
32:00 the Interior Ministry is making a license for itself.
32:06 The MNAs are crying.
32:08 Zikr Camp's Abubakar has given 5 to 6 files.
32:13 Not a single file has been issued.
32:15 All of them are of the forbidden board.
32:17 The permission of the forbidden board is with the Minister of Internal Affairs.
32:20 The permission of the unauthorized is with the Secretary of Internal Affairs.
32:23 The issue here is that the Secretary of Internal Affairs does not sign every file.
32:26 The officials of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are also fed up
32:29 that no file is signed. What should we do?
32:32 The Secretary of Internal Affairs has issued 4038 licenses so far.
32:38 4038?
32:39 Yes.
32:40 This is the current government's time?
32:42 Yes, yes.
32:43 This is what the Secretary of Internal Affairs has done.
32:45 The Minister of Internal Affairs,
32:47 that figure is also being hidden.
32:50 Thousands of them have been given.
32:53 Thousands of them are still there.
32:55 Here, let me tell you,
32:57 there has been a dispute between a loyal minister and a minister of the country.
33:01 The matter has reached this extent.
33:03 On 21st July, a meeting of the Armed Forces Committee was held.
33:06 It was even said that if we are not given the license,
33:10 we will not help them in legalizing.
33:13 Shahzain Bukti also said that those licenses are mine.
33:16 They are not mine.
33:18 Listen to me,
33:20 tell us, tell us something.
33:22 We should also get someone to tell Rana Sanawal
33:25 or talk to someone and get some more licenses issued.
33:28 Yes, Judge?
33:30 No, sir. The whole country is in such a mess.
33:32 They are making money out of it.
33:34 Not acceptable.
33:37 Stop it, man.
33:39 Tie up the lot.
33:40 It is everywhere.
33:41 Wherever you go.
33:42 Today, I have received many scandals
33:44 that we have to prove them now.
33:46 We will handle it, Judge.
33:48 God willing, when the government changes,
33:50 we will work on it.
33:52 So, all this data,
33:55 does the Interior Ministry keep it safe?
33:58 Yes, it is compiled.
33:59 It is all data.
34:00 Okay, tell me, if I am a minister or a member of the National Assembly,
34:03 how can I prove a license or a file and sell it to you?
34:06 Look, the people of this area,
34:09 the MNAs,
34:10 the voters,
34:11 actually, they have also taken from someone else.
34:14 They have said, "We will get it made by you. Give us this much."
34:16 So, this is the opportunity.
34:18 "Give us some time. We will also earn.
34:20 We have to live among the people.
34:22 We have to run for you and the vote."
34:24 So, in that process, they get it filed.
34:26 After that, they take money from them and give them the license.
34:29 When the file is filed, it is issued in someone's name.
34:31 Yes, definitely.
34:33 The file is in someone's name.
34:35 Okay, a new policy was made
34:37 that the taxpayer who pays at least Rs. 1 lakh per year,
34:41 But they have abolished that condition.
34:43 The current situation is that things have also been abolished.
34:47 And they have only given a stamp paper,
34:50 "Apply for the Al-Fihs Act."
34:52 And the minister has said, "Do this."
34:54 But the problem is that...
34:56 Mr. Kanaan, have you also taken a license for Kalashnikov?
34:59 Sorry, yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
35:01 He is asking if you have taken a license for Kalashnikov or not.
35:04 No, sir, there is no need.
35:06 Okay, viewers, these are the circumstances and incidents
35:08 in the country of Pakistan.
35:10 All these matters are going on.
35:12 You can use your own intelligence,
35:14 use your own thinking,
35:16 don't go against me, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
35:18 don't go against the story I told you.
35:21 But all this is happening.
35:23 That's all for today, viewers.
35:24 See you again tomorrow, InshaAllah.