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02:34 be who will be the Minister of Finance? One side is saying that Mr. Daar is not expected
02:41 but Mr. Daar has repeated it again and again and he didn't say that I am not expected to
02:46 be the Minister of Finance. He says that the party will decide and I will do that. He does
02:52 not deny this because his own people say that this will raise fingers on the transparency
02:57 of the elections. Please hear the truth and opposition of both sides.
03:02 There are news that Mr. Ishaq Daar is going to be the caretaker Prime Minister.
03:07 I have seen this news today but as a basic Muslim I believe that you should not aspire
03:14 to any office. Allah has given me this responsibility for the fifth time and I am doing it.
03:17 From day one, a question will be raised on the process of election. When a party's responsible
03:24 office bearer role of interim Prime Minister is of the empire.
03:29 The PM has expressed his opinion. If there is a PM, then it could be Mr. Daar's name.
03:36 We have not shared any name and no decision has come from the People's Party.
03:43 If all the parties and opposition agree on him, then that can also be done.
03:48 They should be afraid of such a step, due to which the entire election, the entire KTK government
03:54 and the entire party will be in danger.
03:59 If Mr. Ishaq Daar or someone else's name is taken from the MLN, then there is no need
04:04 to make so much noise about it. Mr. Ishaq Daar is a very good politician, he is a capable
04:09 person.
04:10 Farooq Sattar said that when we will start the next democracy, no sir, we will start
04:17 the next government. A loose democracy is still going on in this country. It has become
04:21 very loose, but somewhere there is a rule that says that some things we agree and some
04:27 things we do not agree. So this will be the confusion of the interim PM.
04:31 Our party says it is wrong, our party says it is right. Mr. Daar himself is also making
04:36 himself hopeful. On the other hand, when should the election be held? It should be on time,
04:41 it should be after time. There is a confusion on this too. One side says that it should
04:45 be in two months, the other side says that the election can be done on a different date.
04:49 What is the confusion?
04:51 The election should be held on time. Come, let's gather courage. Come, let's come to
04:55 the battlefield.
04:56 When the EP died, it happened. When the floods came, it happened. So it is not the first
05:00 time. If such an emergency happens, then it is a history of your past. It is not the
05:05 first time.
05:06 We have repeatedly asked for elections on time.
05:11 When the incident of the respected Benazir Bhutto took place on September 27, then after
05:15 that, the election was held. Terrorism is in this country. In addition, there can be
05:19 some disaster, there can be some other problem.
05:22 The Pakistan bus party has a very clear position that the permanent term of the parliament
05:27 should be completed in August and then the election should be held in October.
05:31 If the bailout is dissolved, then 90 days will be off if you go on holidays. Yes, it will
05:35 be off.
05:36 Then you will go to the January election. Then we will go in January.
05:39 So this is confusion. That is, the Muslim League may take more time. The People's Party
05:46 says that elections should be held on time and within 60 days.
05:51 The legislation that was made in the assembly, which was legislated yesterday and the day
05:57 before yesterday, two days, two days and three days ago, there is a lot of criticism in the
06:01 assembly. Today, Raza Rabbani walked out. He walked out of the meeting just because he
06:07 said that if we are not given that bill, the bill on which there is a debate, which has
06:13 to be passed, then what is the need to be part of it?
06:17 Many people are criticizing others too. What do you say, Zasoon?
06:21 My strong disagreement is this amendment to section 230 of the Act.
06:32 The caretaker government will be more involved in this amendment, putting the last nail in the coffin.
06:40 The amendment that has been made in this, the concept of the constitution, is against it.
06:46 We are not a part of it. We declare a marriage to it.
06:50 A section has come in between, this 2A that you will read, it has been said that the caretaker
06:55 set up can take any kind of economic decision. I am very surprised. I am asking for an explanation
07:02 that how did this happen? We have just seen it. It was about to come out from under the carpet.
07:07 The amendment to 2A in section 230 has not been discussed by the parliamentary committee.
07:13 The spirit of the caretaker government, I call it a soft coup. I declare it the basis for
07:18 the next elections.
07:21 Justice Munir's opinion.
07:23 And the point has reached to the point of need. So, the bill that was passed 2-3 days ago,
07:30 many are criticizing it. They are also uniting themselves. But this is happening.
07:35 And why is it happening? We will try to ask our guests why this is happening.
07:40 Before we go further, today Ali Muhammad Khan, who is the leader of justice, and the former
07:45 minister of state, was arrested from Islamabad on May 11. He was arrested twice under 3 MPs.
07:53 Later, anti-corruption arrested him. Despite getting bail 8 times, he was arrested again
07:58 as soon as he left the jail. Today, Peshawar High Court again granted bail.
08:04 And also said that if DC does anything this time, it will be a sign of warning.
08:10 Then no one will do anything illegal. Finally, the courts had to say this, after which Ali
08:15 Muhammad Khan was released after 80 days.
08:18 There is another case, 14 Parvez Ali, former minister of Punjab.
08:21 Former minister of Punjab, 14 Parvez Ali, was arrested on 1st June by anti-corruption.
08:26 He was arrested again on 2nd June for getting bail.
08:30 On 20th June, he was again released, but was not released.
08:34 It was revealed that Parvez Ali was transferred to Adiala Jail Rawalpindi from Lahore on 26th.
08:41 The special court ordered the IG Punjab, the IG Jail Khana Jat and the Home Secretary to
08:48 not be presented in the court and to be transferred to Rawalpindi illegally, and to pay 50,000
08:55 fine and to close their salaries.
09:00 Finally, the courts have come to do fines, as to how these people are being treated.
09:05 Shariar Afridi was arrested on 16th May along with his wife in Islamabad.
09:10 A few days later, his wife got bail, but Shariar Afridi was arrested again in other cases.
09:17 Today, in the 9th May incidents, Pindi Bench has granted bail.
09:22 Let's see what happens there.
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11:58 The elections are going to change the course of your life, that's why you need to learn
12:01 from the 15 years of experience you have missed, or the 15 years which you have spent in politics
12:08 where they will impact you and even reach your hand; it will have repercussions according
12:13 to the way you react and your character in the elections
12:14 Dr Mahindra Ji, let me ask you one thing, people of Pakistan people's party have given
12:18 permission for this person now you but there is no point yet and if it is done or prohibited
12:20 on the basis of his statement allowed by the people's party what would you do they must
12:24 not touch people's freedom in their life ?
12:25 I am not suspended, I am still a member of the Central Executive Committee and nobody
12:34 has ever suspended my membership and no one can suspend my membership.
12:39 The thing is that Mr. Dard is not acceptable to anyone, he has himself blown himself up
12:46 Sir, the news is that the name has come from Mr. Mian
12:50 Ok, so Mr. Mian first of all get your punishment over with, being a person who has been punished
12:57 by you, you are still refusing to come, you are objecting, at least come back, before
13:03 giving your name, giving your name does not make any difference, see when I went to their
13:09 own wedding ceremony, I saw every third person as the caretaker minister, so I said that
13:16 there is no harm in keeping yourself happy.
13:21 Sir, someone forwarded a local newspaper, I do not even remember the name of the newspaper,
13:28 local means that is of the cities, I think it was a dummy newspaper of a village, in
13:36 that too the first news was about the owner of that newspaper, that his name was also
13:41 being used as a caretaker minister, so now it has become a joke in Pakistan who is the
13:48 caretaker minister.
13:49 It is a joke, Kashif, it is a joke, when Salman Taseer was martyred, then I do not know how
13:55 many people's names had become governor, some had even taken over the governor's house
14:01 and some had eaten sweets, some had made parties, when my name came, everyone became
14:07 cold, so such rumors keep happening and I do not think any of them, any of them is going
14:14 to be the caretaker prime minister, they will be surprised when you see who comes and Raja
14:21 Riaz sir himself will not be so pliable, you see, the election commission will make the
14:28 ultimate appointment and the election commission, however it appoints, you understand how it
14:35 will appoint, but I think.
14:38 I think.
14:40 I think.
14:42 I think.
14:44 I think.
14:46 I think.
14:48 I think.
14:50 I think.
14:52 I think.
14:54 I think.
14:56 I think.
14:57 I think.
14:59 I think.
15:01 I think.
15:02 that these decisions are being made in the recent past, and keeping that in mind you get a feeling that elections will not be at the right time.
15:18 And they also support the election campaign. Although elections should be at the right time, what if there is a flood? What if the law and order goes wrong?
15:25 What is the difference? But you are getting the feeling that there are two parties, People's Party and Noon. They have separate timelines for elections.
15:34 It is obvious, but I would not be surprised if they have decided to go together. People's Party has the edge that their vote bank is solid in Sindh.
15:54 In Punjab, PMLN's vote is not solid. In my opinion, it is not solid.
16:04 Yesterday, we were talking about surveys in the program. I heard that there are very interesting surveys for the readers.
16:10 I don't know what it is.
16:12 If I am not saying, you will understand. If Moonleak is celebrating, then the surveys will be in their eyes.
16:17 I know about it. I am telling you everything. In the last month, the surveys are going against him.
16:25 Muneeb Farooq told me yesterday. He did not mention the name.
16:30 Kashif, every time you say something wrong, your rating will keep falling.
16:38 If I say something wrong, then the channel will shut down.
16:48 Unfortunately, we have to see where we are standing.
16:54 I will tell you about the elections.
16:57 Tell me where is Mr. Tariq-e-Insaaf?
16:59 Tariq-e-Insaaf has always been in the same position.
17:03 Let me comment again.
17:05 One thing is that they should be allowed to fight the elections.
17:07 These restrictions should not be there.
17:09 But in the current situation, what do you think?
17:11 To be very honest, I think that if they want to win, they will not let Tariq-e-Insaaf come.
17:20 If they tie the captain's hands, legs, and put him in the dark cellar,
17:29 if the bullet mark comes on the ballot box, then the bullet will win inside the ballot box.
17:36 Why are you scaring him?
17:38 I am not scaring him. He knows.
17:41 He knows.
17:43 So you think that's why people are afraid that the bullet will come on the ballot box.
17:48 For example, in Article 230, it says that such and such decisions may be made in these three months.
17:59 Ayaz Sadiq was saying that the World Bank came to my office and met me and they had this expense.
18:04 If there is such a problem, then do it for one time.
18:07 If there is such a problem in these three months, then you will do it.
18:11 But with condition, the elections will not go beyond 90 days.
18:16 They will not do it.
18:18 They will not do it.
18:20 I am telling you the best way.
18:24 The wrong way.
18:26 So you are saying that if there is no management, then the elections will not be held in 90 days.
18:29 I think that until they do not tie the hands of Pakistan-Tariq-e-Insaaf,
18:36 most probably they will not hold the elections.
18:38 They know that the captain will either become the king or the kingmaker.
18:45 Mr. Khosa, what do you think?
18:47 Where do you stand on this?
18:49 Look, Kashif, I tend to agree.
18:52 I am absolutely in agreement with this.
18:54 If the bullet was hit on the ballot paper, then the elections will not take place.
18:59 These positive results cannot come at all.
19:01 Whatever they have done, they have done it openly.
19:06 They have done it openly.
19:07 They have not kept anything hidden.
19:08 They have got all their cases closed.
19:10 They have got themselves milked.
19:12 They have made the law so bad that they have destroyed the deputy of the law.
19:19 They have destroyed the Supreme Court.
19:21 They have destroyed all the other courts and the law.
19:25 They have only done self-centered, tailor-made laws.
19:30 And then finally they have taken full control of the commission.
19:37 And they have taken it from the constitution, which they could not do.
19:42 That the election commission will give the date.
19:44 It is written in the constitution, who will give it, who are you?
19:47 But they have done that too.
19:49 Sir, it is written in the election act of the president, if I am not mistaken.
19:53 It is written in the constitution that if the election commission does not give, then the president can give.
20:00 No, no, no.
20:01 Yes, but 105, 124.
20:04 Look, it is in that that if the governor gives or the chief minister dissolves, then how will it happen?
20:11 And if the governor does not give, then it is written in the presidential election act,
20:15 whose interpretation was made in the Supreme Court and given on 14th May.
20:19 So when did they accept the Supreme Court's decision?
20:22 They did not even accept the decision of the constitution.
20:25 And the Supreme Court and its law did not even accept the decision.
20:29 And the election commission.
20:30 Look, now what they have done, another drama, that two or three days ago, breaking it,
20:36 90 days, oh brother, this is not bad intention.
20:39 You keep saying first, why did you break it?
20:41 Sir, it is a strategy.
20:42 I will tell you the statement of Khawaja sir, wait a second.
20:45 If the government of Punjab and KP says strategy, then it should be dropped, then that is bad intention.
20:53 But if Muslim League, four days ago, or before the time,
20:57 I am being told that it is not ready yet, so I will tell you after the break.
21:02 I am being told to take a break, if they break it, then it is said that it is a strategy.
21:06 Because we need elections in a certain time frame.
21:09 I will come and tell you after the break.
21:11 Let's take a break, Nazeem.
21:12 Welcome back, Nazeem.
21:19 We were talking about the strategic breaking of the assembly and breaking the assembly with bad intentions.
21:26 Khawaja sir was asked a question in an interview, so what did he answer?
21:31 It can be dissolved two or three days before.
21:33 It can be, there is a possibility.
21:35 There is an option, if strategically useful, at this time,
21:39 there is an option, the constitution gives it, you can exercise it,
21:42 so we are not violating any constitutional provision or any law.
21:47 Of Punjab and KP.
21:48 They did, they did.
21:50 That was according to the constitution.
21:51 They did according to the constitution, let's not go into that.
21:56 Sir, according to the constitution.
21:59 Laugh, Khawaja sir, you laugh.
22:01 You laugh and tell.
22:03 I am laughing because let's not talk about that.
22:07 And why not? Let's talk about this.
22:10 Oh, brother, fear God.
22:12 This is a fraud, outrageous kind of fraud.
22:16 That 60 days, see only the election commission wants 54 days.
22:19 Every political party should be in a hurry.
22:23 They should be in a hurry to get elected.
22:26 Not that they should look for a delay.
22:30 And anyway, today, the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
22:35 the ban on Imran Khan, which Pemra had imposed,
22:39 has been abolished today.
22:41 They have suspended it.
22:42 That's why they said, in the eyes of the people,
22:45 this is a violation of their fundamental rights.
22:49 So they have given more notice to the Attorney General and to him.
22:52 This will be more problematic for them.
22:55 Because if you start showing Imran Khan every day,
22:58 showing his speeches, then it will be necessary.
23:00 If you show one, then everyone will show.
23:02 Then they will be free.
23:04 They will see more, sir.
23:05 Then this election will go further back.
23:11 Oh, brother, without the protocol of 50-50 cars,
23:15 go to the market and see.
23:17 The inflation that has been revealed,
23:19 the Germans have become hungry.
23:22 Believe me, the kitchen items,
23:25 the one who earns 50,000 or 100,000 rupees,
23:28 who has 3-4 children, who have to go to school,
23:31 electricity bills, electricity has increased by 750 rupees.
23:35 You just see the inflation,
23:37 see how people are abusing them.
23:42 Now they are just thieves, dacoits.
23:45 After that, those who will go after them,
23:47 they will not be able to go to the election.
23:49 We will see when the election comes.
23:50 The election has come.
23:51 It's a matter of 10 days.
23:53 Everything will come out.
23:54 Let's see what happens in the election.
23:56 This is also a question that if the voter turnout does not happen,
23:59 as you are saying that there is no way on the ballot,
24:01 let's say 15%, 20%, 22%
24:04 where the seats of Karachi were coming out,
24:07 when PMKM boycotted, when Altaf Hussain boycotted.
24:09 Let's see what happens, what will be the credibility.
24:11 But today when you have put the vote in favor of the army,
24:15 Kashif, the time when Khawaja Asif Sahib came
24:21 and started speaking,
24:23 I had stood up before him at the point of order.
24:26 And I said that he had said a few things
24:30 about the female members of the army,
24:34 which in our view was inappropriate and not good.
24:37 You are not alone, everyone had an opinion.
24:39 I am talking about myself.
24:40 And that is why you walked out.
24:41 I told them that you should present this bill through some other minister.
24:50 We are sitting here and we can discuss it.
24:53 If Khawaja Asif Sahib had done this bill,
24:55 at least I would not have been able to sit there.
24:57 I got up from there and went out.
24:59 Did the rest of the people vote?
25:00 Everyone came out.
25:01 All the members of the PTI came out.
25:03 No one voted?
25:04 No one voted.
25:05 After that, Senator Kamran Murtaza came and told us to come.
25:10 We will appeal to him on your behalf and he will say sorry.
25:15 He said that.
25:16 Okay, this is your case.
25:18 Did you talk to the government about Dr. Zarka's two clinics?
25:22 I got to know about it from Dr. Zarka.
25:27 It was last night or the day before yesterday.
25:29 When I got to know, I called him and said,
25:31 "Dr. Zarka, I heard that both your clinics have been shut down."
25:34 He said, "Yes, they are closed."
25:35 He said, "I spoke to the Minister of Health of Punjab."
25:41 He said, "I don't know."
25:43 His clinic was sealed on the basis of dengue.
25:47 The DHO has no authority to do this.
25:53 After that, she said, "I went to Rana Sanahullah."
25:57 Just imagine, Rana Sanahullah said to her,
26:03 "Dr. Zarka, we told you that either we will stay or you will stay."
26:08 You know this too.
26:10 Don't say, "I know."
26:12 You know this too.
26:14 You know this before us.
26:16 I am surprised when I hear this.
26:18 Every time I listen to this, I have to be surprised.
26:20 Everyone knows.
26:21 How can anyone say such a thing?
26:23 Although, I know the politicians.
26:25 When the politicians have nothing to do with it,
26:27 they say, "You know we have nothing to do with this."
26:31 "You know."
26:33 Now, saying that either you or we,
26:35 means that the government is standing with these things
26:37 and they don't want to leave you.
26:39 One second, I am with Mr. Shami.
26:41 I will ask him a few questions.
26:43 Mr. Shami, Assalamu Alaikum.
26:45 Walaikum Assalam.
26:47 Mr. Shami, we are meeting in Dubai.
26:49 Have you decided on any matter?
26:51 I have heard that the name of the supervisor has come from Mr. Mian.
26:55 Mr. Dar.
26:57 Mr. Shami.
27:03 Look, sir, whatever is happening in Dubai,
27:07 we have no direct information about it.
27:11 If you have any information, please let us know.
27:15 But, obviously, Mr. Khosa is also sitting here smiling.
27:19 And, we will agree on some name.
27:25 Will it be a political name, Mr. Shami,
27:27 or will it be a non-political name,
27:29 like Technocrat, or do you think it will be a political name?
27:32 Look, whether it is a political name or a non-political name,
27:36 or Technocrat, or the former President,
27:39 or Technocrat, or the former Bureaucrat,
27:42 we will have to see if there is a person
27:45 who people trust,
27:48 who people trust,
27:51 who is in the opposition,
27:53 who is in the government.
27:55 Absolutely right. It would be better if this happens.
27:58 Sir, tell us, why is Maryam Nawaz silent?
28:01 She has come to Pakistan, but you have not given any press conference,
28:04 any statement, she is the chief organiser,
28:06 she is going to be elected,
28:08 she is going to be in the assembly in a week or 10 days,
28:10 her work is going to increase,
28:12 but we cannot see that her work has increased.
28:14 Maybe she is preparing for the future.
28:17 How far is she preparing for the future,
28:19 tell us that as well.
28:21 The future is near, and far,
28:25 and she will have a role in the election campaign.
28:30 How far is her future, sir,
28:33 what can you see?
28:37 What can we say in Pakistan,
28:41 sometimes things that are far away come close,
28:46 sometimes things that are close go far away.
28:49 That is right.
28:52 And all these responsibilities of the Chief Minister,
28:56 and the 230 people,
28:58 what is your own sense, Mr. Shami,
29:01 do you think the election is on time,
29:03 or do you also think the election is going ahead?
29:06 If the election is not on time,
29:09 then what will the political parties in the government get?
29:14 The more the matter will grow,
29:17 new conflicts will arise,
29:19 new incidents will arise,
29:23 then if the uncertainty and uncertainty
29:26 will continue to increase,
29:28 then who will benefit?
29:30 I think we should take the name of Allah
29:32 and have elections,
29:34 and the people should hand over the government
29:36 to the people who elect them.
29:38 Sir, but are the requirements of the election complete?
29:41 No, the requirements are complete.
29:43 Sir, I am talking about the real requirements,
29:46 I mean, is everything managed?
29:51 Those requirements are complete,
29:55 and they are not complete.
29:57 There should be a difference between the requirements and the requirements.
30:02 Sir, our requirements are the requirements.
30:04 You are better.
30:06 There are thousands of such requirements,
30:08 that every requirement is fulfilled.
30:10 You are right.
30:12 May Allah bless you.
30:13 Let's see how it goes.
30:14 Thank you very much, Mr. Shami.
30:16 We keep taking your information and analysis.
30:21 Khosla Sahib, you were smiling,
30:23 you must have heard Mr. Shami's conversation.
30:25 He is very confused.
30:27 He has been here for 3 months.
30:29 Mr. Shami is not only a great journalist,
30:33 he is also a great diplomat.
30:36 I don't think elections will be held far away this year.
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