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In an exclusive interview, Mr. Sujit Nair engages in a conversation with M. Sreekumar, a senior journalist from Kerala, discussing the recent incident in Kerala where members of the youth wing of the Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) were booked for allegedly raising anti-Hindu slogans on 25th July 2023. During a march organized by the Youth League in Kanhangad to show solidarity with the victims of violence in Manipur, provocative slogans were reportedly chanted, leading to the registration of cases against around 300 individuals.
The Hosdurg police station filed the cases based on a complaint lodged by the BJP Kanhangad mandalam president. The charges brought against the accused are under Section 153A of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), which pertains to promoting enmity between different groups based on religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, etc., and engaging in acts that can disturb harmony.
Youth League State General Secretary, P K Firoz, took action against the worker who raised the provocative slogan, expelling him from the organization. Firoz stated that the expelled worker, Abdul Salam from Kanhangad Municipality, deviated from the prescribed version of slogans provided to the workers during the march, which goes against the ideology of the Youth League.
The BJP criticized both the Youth League and the Muslim League, a prominent ally of the Congress-led UDF opposition in Kerala, holding them responsible for the incident. The BJP alleged that the provocative slogans received support from the CPI(M)-led LDF government and accused the state of being a breeding ground for radicalization.
Amit Malviya, the BJP's National Information & Technology in-charge, expressed his condemnation of the rally and the slogans raised in a tweet, suggesting that such actions wouldn't have occurred without the backing of the Pinarayi Government.
In summary, the interview sheds light on the controversial incident in Kerala, involving the raising of anti-Hindu slogans, and the ensuing responses and actions taken by the concerned parties.
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In an exclusive interview, Mr. Sujit Nair engages in a conversation with M. Sreekumar, a senior journalist from Kerala, discussing the recent incident in Kerala where members of the youth wing of the Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) were booked for allegedly raising anti-Hindu slogans on 25th July 2023. During a march organized by the Youth League in Kanhangad to show solidarity with the victims of violence in Manipur, provocative slogans were reportedly chanted, leading to the registration of cases against around 300 individuals.
The Hosdurg police station filed the cases based on a complaint lodged by the BJP Kanhangad mandalam president. The charges brought against the accused are under Section 153A of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), which pertains to promoting enmity between different groups based on religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, etc., and engaging in acts that can disturb harmony.
Youth League State General Secretary, P K Firoz, took action against the worker who raised the provocative slogan, expelling him from the organization. Firoz stated that the expelled worker, Abdul Salam from Kanhangad Municipality, deviated from the prescribed version of slogans provided to the workers during the march, which goes against the ideology of the Youth League.
The BJP criticized both the Youth League and the Muslim League, a prominent ally of the Congress-led UDF opposition in Kerala, holding them responsible for the incident. The BJP alleged that the provocative slogans received support from the CPI(M)-led LDF government and accused the state of being a breeding ground for radicalization.
Amit Malviya, the BJP's National Information & Technology in-charge, expressed his condemnation of the rally and the slogans raised in a tweet, suggesting that such actions wouldn't have occurred without the backing of the Pinarayi Government.
In summary, the interview sheds light on the controversial incident in Kerala, involving the raising of anti-Hindu slogans, and the ensuing responses and actions taken by the concerned parties.
#Kerala #MuslimLeague #BJP #Congress #Hindus #Slogan #IUML #HWNews #AmitMalviya #PinarayiVijayan #Exclusive #Interview #SujitNair #MSreekumar #Journalist #Kanhangad #Kasaragod
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00:00 Namaskar.
00:01 On Tuesday, that is day before yesterday, Youth Wing of Muslim League in Kerala, Kasargod,
00:08 raised slogans against Hindus.
00:11 They threatened Hindus.
00:14 They threatened to burn Hindus alive and so on and so forth.
00:16 A lot of threats that happened during a procession that they were carrying out.
00:21 Some 300 odd people, the complaint have been registered by the police and five people,
00:26 I am told, have already been arrested.
00:30 Muslim League has sacked all of them.
00:33 Muslim League expelled all these people who were raising slogans from their political
00:39 party.
00:40 But then this fire caught on.
00:43 Today, I want to get in front of you the real state of what's happening in Kerala.
00:48 I want to find out as to why those slogans were raised.
00:53 I want to find out why this hate.
00:56 I want to find out is there something called as Love Jihad.
00:59 I want to find out why is there Love Jihad if it is there.
01:03 I want to find out are Muslim youth and Hindu youth, are they being radicalized?
01:09 I have a very senior journalist with me.
01:13 His name is M. Shri Kumar.
01:15 M. Shri Kumar has been covering Kerala.
01:19 He is a Malayalam journalist.
01:20 He writes and talks in Malayalam.
01:22 He is a Malayali journalist.
01:25 But he spoke very well in this interview.
01:28 I have spoken to him to figure out what exactly is the real issue.
01:32 I didn't want to talk to any political party.
01:35 My intention is never to raise a debate or raise some kind of entertainment program in
01:41 my channel.
01:42 I want to understand the truth.
01:43 And I think the best people to talk to you and tell you the truth are people who actually
01:47 are on ground, who actually are unbiased, whose job is to report.
01:51 And I have a journalist with me whose job was to report all this for almost two, two
01:57 and a half, three decades of his life.
01:59 So let's talk to Shri Kumar.
02:02 Let's understand the real state of Kerala.
02:09 Shri Kumar, thank you so much for joining me.
02:11 Thank you so much for joining me.
02:12 And I'll get right into the question.
02:15 Shri, tell me what really happened on Tuesday in Kasargod?
02:20 In Muslim Youth League, it's a freedom organization of Indian Union Muslim League, have organized
02:27 a protest march.
02:28 That march expressed the solidarity with the Manipur victims.
02:34 They have given some printed slogans to their members to rise in that occasion.
02:41 But someone, some workers and some functionaries of the Indian Union Muslim League raised a
02:49 hate slogan, hate slogan.
02:52 That means at that time, I think just five or 10 minutes that slogan has raised.
03:01 Within minutes that hate slogan was spread out over social media platforms, including
03:09 Twitter.
03:10 Even the Amit Malhavi of the BJP tweeted about that slogan, hate slogan.
03:16 The Muslim League leadership expelled these members from their party and police took cases
03:22 against them, lodged a complaint, police took cases against them, they were expelled from
03:25 the party, five of them, among them arrested in Kasargod.
03:29 But the scenario, what is happening in Kerala last several months or several, one or two
03:37 years, there is a growing discontent, communal discontent among the various communities.
03:44 That is the main problem in Kerala.
03:47 Muslim League is a moderate political party.
03:49 Their leader organization, their youth organization, Muslim youth, also they are the moderate Muslim
03:57 outfit.
03:58 They are not adopting what we call the extreme steps, the extreme politics with regard to
04:05 India's, they didn't adopt any kind of extreme step in politics.
04:12 Because they are moderate leaders, they have been adopting moderate political stance but
04:19 some rank and file.
04:20 Some rank and file of the Muslim League and Muslim Youth League belong to some Muslim fringe
04:29 groups.
04:30 They intrude, the Muslim League leaders already said that some kind of fringe groups elements
04:36 intruded into the Muslim League party and they want to spread their extreme ideologies,
04:46 their fringe ideologies in that party.
04:48 It is the reason about this kind of things happening and Muslim League state president
04:56 Mr. Panakkar Thangal already tendered the unconditional apology to that hate slogan.
05:03 But that person were expelled from the party, they were arrested, five of them arrested
05:08 by the police.
05:09 But the main thing I believe that the discontent and what we call some communal tensions is
05:18 grooving in Kerala last several months or after the advent of second Modi government
05:27 in the center.
05:28 It was started in I think the Citizen Amendment Act.
05:34 There was lot of protest in Kerala which was organized by various political organizations
05:40 including Congress, CPM and Muslim League.
05:43 After that the Muslims, especially the Muslims, they were very suspicious about the BJP's
05:50 government in center.
05:51 So some fringe elements has been influencing various Muslim groups in Kerala.
05:57 So this is a, I think that influence has been increasing slowly in the Muslim groups and
06:06 Muslim parties especially the moderate party we call the Muslim League.
06:10 I think this is a, this hate slogan is a reflection of the increasing influence of fringe elements
06:17 in Muslim organizations in Kerala.
06:20 That is the main thing we have to discuss now.
06:23 Is there this kind of extreme elements that are talking about burning Hindus, killing
06:29 Hindus, are these kind of extreme sentiments growing in Kerala?
06:33 Yeah, it is gradually growing in 19, I think 2090 election.
06:39 After the 2019 election, the Muslim minorities have believed that Modi government will be
06:48 sustained in center.
06:50 So they will continue after 2024.
06:52 That will be our stature.
06:55 They brought CAA, another time they are going to bring government civil court.
07:03 They have suspicions, they are doubtful that how will, what will be the status in India?
07:10 What will be their status in India?
07:13 They have deep suspicions about the BJP government in center.
07:18 These slogans are the reflections of that, their suspicions.
07:23 But at the same time, we have to look one thing, the same tone, the same kind of slogans
07:32 has been shouting in the other side.
07:34 The same kind of slogan has been shouting from the other side.
07:36 Even the Hindu IKB, the BHP is there, the protectionaries, they are raising the same
07:41 kind of slogans in their protectionaries.
07:43 We will dismantle the mosque, no mosque will remain to pray here.
07:48 This kind of slogans from rising from the other side.
07:52 So it's a very pathetic atmosphere now in Kerala that, Kerala is well known for its
08:00 social harmony, its coexistence with different religious groups, but it is gradually, gradually
08:07 decreasing that kind of communal harmony.
08:09 The fringe elements, not only in particular, we can't blame any particular community in
08:14 that.
08:15 But the fringe elements is influencing both communities in Kerala, not only Hindu community,
08:19 even the Christian community has been influenced by their own fringe elements.
08:23 The Khasa, that is the fringe elements among the Christian community, they have influenced,
08:29 they have influenced even the Christian community.
08:31 They are well known for the peaceful existence in Kerala now.
08:34 They are only engaging with the education activities, they are only engaging with their
08:39 own community activities.
08:40 They are not, they are not, not influenced by the fringe elements or communal extremism
08:46 in the history.
08:47 But still, even the Christian community have been influenced by this kind of fringe elements.
08:52 I think three major community in Kerala, what we call, slowly, slowly, they are subjected
09:01 to this kind of communal extremism.
09:05 But unlike North Indian states, it will be transformed into major rights or communal
09:14 violations because Kerala's social fabric, Kerala's secular social fabric is still intact.
09:21 So this kind of brooding tensions or brooding discontent will not go into an open violence.
09:28 That will, that may not happen in Kerala.
09:30 But this brooding discontent, the silent discontent between the various communities in Kerala
09:37 is highly alarming, no doubt at all.
09:40 Sri, I want to ask you a few questions that possibly the rest of India would want to ask
09:44 Kerala.
09:45 Number one, is there some kind of a love jihad that is going on in Kerala where Hindu girls
09:51 are lured to get married and then they have been taken to Afghanistan?
09:58 Is this reality?
09:59 Yes, I think, Swinthi, couple of years back, I think before 2014, there were some incidents
10:09 reported about the Hindu Christian girls were married by Muslim guys and converted into
10:17 Islam.
10:18 I think I have heard a couple of incidents about that.
10:23 After two or three years, in all districts in Kerala, there were reported two or three
10:31 conversions to Islam.
10:32 All of them are girls, because they were married by Muslim guys and converted to Islam.
10:42 After the advent of the social media, the social media have great influence in Kerala
10:49 society, it is news about the conversion and the marriage to Muslim boys were spread into
10:58 all social media platforms and people were discussing, they were starting to discuss
11:04 about the conversion and the marriage of Hindu Christian girl to Muslim guy.
11:10 Yesterday, before the advent of social media, normally Hindu girl may fall in love with
11:18 Muslim guy and they will get married and sometimes the girl converted to Islam, sometimes boys
11:25 converted to Hindu.
11:26 That was a common thing yesterday, yes, before the advent of social media.
11:31 But after the impact of the social media increased, when the impact of the social media increased
11:40 the Kerala society, people were discussing about that.
11:44 So there were some concerns arised among that community, the Hindu community, the Christian
11:50 community, Christian community discussed this matter widely.
11:56 So you are technically telling me that love jihad does not exist, is that what you are
12:00 saying?
12:01 The theme of love jihad, I can t agree with that.
12:05 But the conversions from Hindu Muslim girls to Islam was proportionally increasing this
12:12 2004, 2014, 2015 years.
12:14 That is the real thing, that is truth.
12:20 Proportionally increasing, I am talking about proportionally increasing.
12:23 Ok, so is there a reason why it has proportionally increased, Sri?
12:28 I can t point out any particular reason about that.
12:33 Because when, I can t point out any particular reason about that.
12:45 But Muslim boys are increasingly entering into different kinds of educational institutions.
12:48 So before 20 years back, the Muslim youths, they will naturally have, if they have completed
12:56 their 10th standard or 12th standard, they naturally went to Dubai or Gurs, and search
13:02 for some job and for their livelihood.
13:04 But after last 15 to 20 years, there is a scenario is prevailing in Kerala that Muslim
13:10 youths are, both boys and girls, they are entering into higher studies, they are admitting
13:17 into higher educational institutions.
13:20 So there are 20, no, you have to think that 27 percent Muslim population in Kerala is
13:27 27 percent, no?
13:28 There is a big, largest population, Muslim population in Kerala, they are following the
13:33 Gulf boom, they are economically, financially, they are well settled.
13:39 So they have enough time to spend in higher educational institutions, they are getting
13:46 admission into education.
13:48 So they have more social visibility and they have more social contact with other religious
13:55 people.
13:56 So naturally the Muslim youths, the girls may be lured by this Muslim youths because
14:01 they have money, they have a vehicle, they have other material thing, naturally thing,
14:07 no?
14:08 I think not purposefully, but proportionately, proportionally the increase of the conversion
14:14 from Hindu, Muslim, girls to Muslim, the Islam is proportionally increased over 3 years in
14:21 Kerala.
14:22 So this is the main reason behind the allegation we called the love-hate harm.
14:27 So, so tell me, so which means I just want to dwell on this a little more.
14:31 Sri, what we are technically saying therefore, which means a Muslim is not falling in love
14:35 with a Hindu girl to convert her into Islam, he just falls in love with the girl.
14:40 Is that what you are saying?
14:41 Because she just falling in love with a Muslim guy.
14:42 She just, Hindu or Muslim girl, just falling in love with a Muslim guy and they were married.
14:51 Because in my knowledge, naturally the Muslim guy will accept their condition that you have
15:01 to convert in our community, then I can marry you.
15:04 Okay, she is admitted that condition.
15:07 So she converted in Islam and she embraces Islam and getting married.
15:13 And nobody takes anybody to Afghanistan or Iran or ISIS, all that?
15:20 There are some incidents in Kerala, there the Hindu-Christian girl converted to Islam
15:28 and they sent to Afghanistan and Syria and a couple of cases were reported.
15:33 But it is very, I think only 6 cases were reported in that time, only 6 cases.
15:39 These girls, because that boys also were converted from Christian-Hindu community to Islam.
15:45 The boys taken them, taken these girls into Afghanistan were converted from Hindu-Christian
15:52 community to Islam.
15:53 They are not, the Muslims are arguing that boys are not Muslims, they were not Muslims.
16:01 They were converted to Islam community and then they are taken into this, their wives
16:06 into Afghanistan.
16:07 So there are some, we can, there is a blur image about this kind of love dikhat in Kerala.
16:14 We can point out that, we can say particularly that this love dikhat happened here or love
16:21 dikhat is aspect happened there.
16:23 There are reports that there are conversions happened in Kerala to Islam from Hindu and
16:29 Muslim community.
16:30 Couple of persons, Hindu-Christian girl converted to Islam and they were sent to Afghanistan,
16:38 that is correct.
16:39 But how can we say that it is a love dikhat?
16:42 There is, we can't know specific evidence about that.
16:46 Even the Home Department, Central Home Department has said that there is no specific evidence
16:51 about the love dikhat.
16:52 We can say that this is love dikhat.
16:55 But the increasing of the conversion from Hindu-Muslim girls to Islam is a rare thing
17:04 in 2014, between 2014 and 2017, just three years.
17:09 As a senior journalist, as a person who have been covering Kerala, as a person who have
17:14 been covering Kerala from ground, I want to ask you a question.
17:18 Is there an increase of jihadist sympathizer?
17:22 When I am saying jihadist sympathizer, I mean what the country feels or what has been told
17:27 to the country through various, like you rightly said, social media posts, is that there are
17:32 a lot of jihadists who are coming out of Kerala now.
17:35 Is that true?
17:36 Are there Muslim youth who are sympathizing to the jihadists or sympathizing to these
17:41 IS-IS and others?
17:43 The Muslim youth, you saw, the Muslim youth in Kerala have been radicalizing.
17:49 That is correct.
17:51 They have been radicalizing by the fringe Muslim groups.
17:55 But we have to, when we analyze these things, you know, naturally Kerala is a very enlightened
18:03 state, very literate state, I think people are very educated.
18:07 So, the Muslim youths in Kerala is well aware about the other, well aware about the incidents
18:15 happening in the other state of India, in other state of India, especially the cow-meat
18:20 racism, people, the Muslim people are beating and beating by the cow-meat-religion.
18:26 These things are, they are hearing day by day.
18:29 So, the fringe elements can radicalize them easily.
18:32 That is happening in Kerala.
18:34 The radicalization of the Muslim, among the Muslim youth is increasing in Kerala.
18:38 That's right.
18:39 That's correct.
18:40 Why?
18:41 Because the issues and the incidents, tragic incidents, their community is facing outside
18:49 of Kerala, they are very aware about that.
18:52 So, the fringe elements can be radicalized, or the Muslim youth can be radicalized by
18:58 these fringe elements.
18:59 That is happening in Kerala, that is correct.
19:02 But in terms of this radicalization, the, in Muslim community in Kerala, one, just 0.2
19:14 percent people are radicalized by, or chances are radicalized.
19:21 Now, fringe elements is still striving to radicalize this Kerala's Muslim.
19:27 They are defeated drastically.
19:29 They are defeated drastically because the Muslims in Kerala, they are, what we call,
19:37 they are focusing on their trading, their education, their life.
19:41 They are not, they are least interested, least inclined to radicalize.
19:46 They are least inclined to consider these fringe elements.
19:51 But very few percent of the Muslim youths in Kerala, they are concerning about the things
19:59 happened in various parts of India, especially the 2014, after the, when the body became
20:07 the Prime Minister of India, the COVID-19 and other things is gradually increasing in Kerala.
20:13 The Muslim community has been sidelining.
20:17 So, this kind of news, this kind of information, they are getting from different, through the
20:23 different media.
20:24 So, some, very few percent of people, ok, ok, tell me.
20:28 Shri, then are you actually telling me that, you know, all this radicalization, all this
20:33 anger is just after 2014, before 2014, everything was wonky dory.
20:38 India started after 1992 when the demolition of Babri Major.
20:44 In 1992, the first Karseva occurred and taken place in Ayodhya.
20:51 In VHP and Sang Pariva had Kandakadai Ram-Shri Ram march across the Kerala in 1990.
21:00 Since then, the Muslim youths slowly, slowly radicalized by this gentleman.
21:06 Then, you know, unlike other states, the digital penetration and digital penetration is high
21:14 in Kerala, when we compare with other states.
21:17 So, since 1990, I think the 60 to 60 percent houses is penetrated with television.
21:26 So, they have seen all these things, you know, what is happening in Ayodhya, what is happening
21:31 in Mumbai, the Adwani's Radha Yatra.
21:33 After the Radha Yatra, the communal price dropped out.
21:36 So, they have been seeing that.
21:38 So, they believed that their community has been victimized by the Hindu's media limits.
21:43 So, the radicalization has slowly started in 1990.
21:47 But now, it is very visible in Kerala.
21:50 Last 25-30 years, the radicalization of Muslim youth is visible in Kerala.
21:56 But fortunately, the mainstream Muslim groups are keeping away this kind of fringe elements,
22:03 keeping away this kind of radicalization.
22:06 That's why the Muslim youth league expelled within second that person who shouted that
22:12 slogan.
22:13 Expelled within second that person will be expelled from their party.
22:18 And K, what is police law, taken a case against them, five of them arrested.
22:24 So, the Muslim mainstream groups keeping away this kind of fringe elements, they are keeping
22:29 away this kind of radicalization youth.
22:31 Fortunately, that is happening in Kerala too.
22:34 That is the only hope we have now.
22:37 What about Hindu youths?
22:39 Are they still, you know, secular or is there some kind of a radicalization happening there
22:46 too?
22:47 What about the Hindu youths?
22:48 How are they reacting to all of this?
22:50 The same way of radicalization is happening in Hindu youths.
22:54 We never take into consideration of their BJP's voting party or voting percentage.
23:01 BJP may not get any seat from in the Lok Sabha election.
23:05 BJP may not get any seat in the coming Assembly election in Kerala.
23:09 But the radicalization of Hindu youths is gradually increasing as much as in Muslim youths.
23:15 Because, there is a, because about 49 percent of Kerala's minority population, about 48
23:24 percent, 27 percent Muslim population and 20 percent this Christian population.
23:30 There is a 48 percent minority population, but the 80 percent of the social resources
23:37 is handled by these 48 percent.
23:40 80 percent of the Kerala's social resources is, has been handled by these minority groups.
23:47 So, there is a discontent among the Hindu youths that the churches and the mosques is
23:53 handling the educational institutions.
23:55 Most of the educational institutions has been handled by the churches.
23:59 And now the Muslim agencies is coming to that field and they have also lot of educational
24:06 institutions across the Kerala.
24:08 So, the Muslim, the Hindu youths is feeling that the social resources is being handled
24:15 by this Muslim group.
24:17 Social resources is handled by the Christian group.
24:20 So, we have only 20 percent resources here.
24:22 So, there is a discontent, there is a extreme attitude towards the minority group is increasing
24:30 in Hindu youths too.
24:31 It is also dangerous because they have, in Kerala there is another thing that in Kerala
24:38 this Hindus are Hindu-cised by North Indians.
24:43 Kerala's Hinduism is in a separate, was sitting in a separate enclave in yesteryears.
24:49 They will go to, Hindus will go to church, they will go to mosque before they are going
24:54 to a temple.
24:55 That was the social fabric of Kerala.
24:57 But today what is happening in Kerala is Hindus in Kerala is Hindu-cised by North Indian Hindus.
25:05 Because the Hindus of Kerala believe that what is happening in North India, what is
25:10 the, what is Hindus believing in North India, that is the real Hinduism.
25:14 So, they are acting like North Indian Hindus.
25:17 So, they have some hate in Muslims.
25:20 They have some disagreement with the Christians.
25:23 They have some social, they have been in some social distance with these Hindu, these Christian
25:29 Muslim people.
25:30 So, they believe that the North Indian model Hinduism, that is the North Indian model Hinduism,
25:36 the real Hinduism.
25:37 So, we Hindu, Christian or Muslim, the co-existence is, I think, they are, they are, the belief
25:45 on the co-existence with other community that is gradually decreasing, that mentality is
25:50 gradually decreasing in Hindu youths.
25:52 Shri Kumar, my last question and I have exactly one minute for this.
25:57 Is the secular social fabric of Kerala getting destroyed?
26:02 And how long before it gets completely destroyed?
26:05 The secular social fabric of Kerala will remain forever.
26:10 But there is no doubt at all, it will remain forever.
26:15 Because the tradition of thousand years of Kerala is, when we think about the Kerala
26:23 society, we can never keep away, one Hindu or Christian or Muslim can never keep away
26:28 your neighbor.
26:29 Neighbor may be Hindu or, there is no guts here.
26:32 Hindu gets or Muslim gets or Hindu area, Muslim area, there is no areas in Kerala.
26:37 In one house belongs to Hindu, the second house belongs to Muslim, the third house belongs
26:42 to Christian.
26:43 So, everyone needs everyone's help.
26:46 Shri, thank you so much for joining me.
26:49 Thank you so much for joining me and so nice of you to talk to us.
26:53 Thank you.
26:54 Thank you.
26:55 Thank you.
26:56 You have given a good opportunity to me to express my views through your media.
27:00 Thank you Shri.
27:01 Thank you.
27:02 Thank you a lot.
27:03 Thank you.
27:04 Thank you.
27:06 Thank you.
27:08 Thank you.
27:10 Thank you.
27:12 Thank you.
27:14 Thank you.
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