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What is the legal status of Azam Khan's statement?
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, viewers.
00:12 You are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15 Today, we have another big news.
00:17 A statement of Azam Khan has been made public for the past 34 days.
00:23 A statement of Azam Khan has been made public for the past 34 days.
00:32 And today, a tweet was made public, which said that this big news is coming.
00:40 If you look at this statement, which is in front of me,
00:43 there is no signature on it, nor is there a court stamp.
00:47 This statement has been made by the government.
00:49 And if you read this statement carefully, it is not said that I said this at that time or I was told this.
00:56 In this, most of it is as per Muhammad Azam Khan.
01:00 So, this is his statement as a second person on these papers.
01:10 If you look at this cipher and its history,
01:15 the debate on the American conspiracy and cipher began after the arrival of the Secretariat of Justice
01:21 and before the government left.
01:24 Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf had made statements that his government was overthrown through an external conspiracy.
01:30 Using this cipher, Tariq-e-Insaf made a statement of the American conspiracy and the unaccepted imported government.
01:40 Whatever the basis of this statement was,
01:51 if you remember, the statements made at that time were criticized a lot by the military establishment and especially the army chief.
01:59 And the opposition at that time, who were called the imported government,
02:04 were called Mir Sadiq and Mir Jafar.
02:10 On the basis of this cipher, the deputy speaker Qasim Suri rejected the statement of no confidence.
02:20 The reality of the cipher and its existence cannot be denied.
02:25 You will remember that there were two meetings of the National Security Council Committee.
02:30 One was when the Tariq-e-Insaf government was in power and the other was when the Muslim League was in power.
02:36 During the Tariq-e-Insaf government, this meeting called this cipher a blatant interference in internal affairs of Pakistan.
02:43 And on this basis, and it was also said in this cipher, that the American ambassador should be called and demarched.
02:50 America has intervened in internal affairs of Pakistan.
02:54 But was this a conspiracy? Was the establishment involved in this?
03:00 This is the question that everyone should get the answer to.
03:03 However, there was a lot of statement in both sides to the extent of this allegation.
03:08 I was also listening to a statement by Hina Rabani Khar Sahiba.
03:13 In a TV interview, she said that Asad Majeed Sahib had also written in this cipher that the American government and the government should ask
03:21 whether this is the opinion of an individual or the opinion of the American government.
03:26 Anyway, this matter never went beyond that.
03:29 When the government left and the PDM government came,
03:33 at that time the opposition had already adopted the position that this cipher is false and no conspiracy was done.
03:40 And later, while accepting the cipher, on May 9, the Prime Minister stated that the cipher is there,
03:47 demarched, but no conspiracy was done.
03:51 When the government left and the PDM government came to the opposition,
04:13 in fact, they resigned from the assembly, at that time, an audio leak of Chairman Tariq Khan and his principal secretary Azam Khan was made.
04:21 In which a conversation was made about the cipher.
04:24 One sentence in it was that let's play with it.
04:29 We will make our own minutes as analysis.
04:34 If I can read it, the analysis of the office's requirement will be that this is an indirect threat.
04:43 In diplomatic language, this is called a threat.
04:46 He said that look at such things, the minutes are in my hands again.
04:51 This Azam Khan said, the way we do it, we will draft the minutes.
04:56 This was the whole gist of the conversation that came out in this audio leak.
05:04 Tariq-e-Insaf had decided to play with it.
05:07 Later, the matter of cipher was made public after a while.
05:12 Accusations were made from both sides.
05:14 Tariq Khan was also gone.
05:16 Later, Tariq-e-Insaf also changed his position on this matter.
05:20 Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf gave an interview to Voice of America, an American television channel.
05:26 He said that the conspiracy was not imported into Pakistan, but was exported from Pakistan.
05:35 When that position was changed, the government took a U-turn.
05:40 One more U-turn.
05:41 Imran Khan, Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf, went back to his position.
05:46 He took another U-turn.
05:50 After a few days of statements, this matter went to the court.
05:56 This was a small history of this cipher.
06:00 How did this cipher come?
06:02 How did the Prime Minister give his first speech outside the Parliament House?
06:08 And how did he move back a little from this position?
06:12 No one moved back from the cipher.
06:16 Everyone, whether it was the government or the opposition, believed that the cipher was a fact.
06:19 But who did it?
06:21 Who was involved in the conspiracy?
06:23 The position on this was definitely changed.
06:26 There is another aspect to this statement.
06:31 One aspect is the cipher, the statements, the investigation of it.
06:35 As it is said today that there will be investigations.
06:38 The country was enmity.
06:40 I will also come to the statements that have been given today by Azam Khan.
06:44 On 15 June, Azam Khan went missing.
06:49 Did he go of his own free will or was he really missing?
06:53 The government's position on this is different and the family's position is different.
06:58 The government said this and it is also written in today's statement that he was in Peshawar with his friend.
07:05 Now he has returned home.
07:07 Rana Ashtanawalla said this in his press conference today.
07:33 He did not want to expose himself, but he did not contact his family members.
07:38 That is why Rana's statement is in its place.
07:40 But after his disappearance, Azam Khan's nephew filed an FIR.
07:45 And a case was also filed in Islamabad High Court.
07:48 The Islamabad police claimed while filing an FIR that Azam Khan is not in his translation and he is missing.
07:57 If we can show this tweet on full screen, then Islamabad was done by the police.
08:04 Rana's statement has come today that he was at home.
08:06 A week ago, Azam Khan's nephew confirmed while talking to Shahzad Iqbal in a TV interview that Azam Khan is missing.
08:16 So the family was saying for a long time that he has been missing for the past 34 days.
08:23 No one knows about his whereabouts. The police also believed that he is not with them and is missing.
08:29 Today it seems that the FIR of his disappearance is being finished.
08:35 And the whole matter of being missing will be over.
08:40 In this statement, Azam Khan was mentioned in the alleged statement, as I said that he was in Peshawar.
08:46 According to sources, Azam Khan has recorded a statement under section 164.
08:53 Let me tell you the legal status of this.
08:55 Usually, if someone wants to give an Iqbali statement in a case, then the statement of section 164 is before a magistrate.
09:03 And it has a legal status. There is no legal status of any statement taken in translation.
09:10 So you have to see, according to the news so far, this statement is not the same as that given in front of a magistrate.
09:18 These two papers have come so far. Let's see if anyone else will come in the next few days.
09:23 Will the Iqbali statement written by him in front of the magistrate come in front or not?
09:27 But the statement he has recorded about the cipher, he says that Chairman PTI has made false statements about the cipher by hiding all the facts.
09:39 And to avoid the method of mistrust, he gave the cipher the color of an external conspiracy.
09:44 He created the cipher drama only to save his government.
09:48 In this statement, I am saying it again and again that it has no signature or any legal status.
09:54 In this statement, he also said that the cipher was taken from me on 9th March.
10:00 That is, it was given to the Prime Minister at that time and later it was said that it is lost.
10:05 Which was also admitted in the television program that it was, but it is lost.
10:10 It was also said in the statement that the chairman of the justice system has sowed hatred against the national security and institutions through the cipher drama.
10:21 Azam Khan Sahib said that the cipher was deliberately given the wrong color of the national security institutions and the United States.
10:30 He also says that he is giving advice in his audio leak that how can we make it public.
10:36 But he says that despite my refusal, a secret meeting was held in the public for personal benefit.
10:45 This is his statement today.
10:48 As I said, the statements are in their place.
10:50 There is a statement, its legal status will be, we will talk about it all.
10:54 But there are many important questions that come up with this after this.
11:01 What is the legal status of this statement?
11:04 This is the biggest question.
11:07 How authentic is this statement?
11:09 What is its legal status in court?
11:14 The statement of Azam Khan Sahib, who came to the public, which has been given to the media, has been attributed to him.
11:21 It is said that he says this according to him.
11:24 It seems that this is not an acceptable statement that I said this, I did this, which is actually called an acceptable statement.
11:32 Another important question, where was Azam Khan for 34 days?
11:35 Is there any FIR on Azam Khan?
11:39 If the evidence is present, then why have not the scenes been brought to the public yet?
11:45 This is the second big question that the justice system has to answer.
11:48 If there was a conspiracy and its evidence was present, then who will bring it to the public?
11:53 Will Azam Khan himself confirm these allegations in court or press conference?
11:59 These are the few basic questions that we will all find the answer to in the coming days.
12:05 This is also a very important question, that in front of which magistrate was this statement given?
12:11 Yesterday, the High Court vacated the investigation of the cipher that was given.
12:21 So where was this investigation going on? Who was doing this investigation?
12:24 Since when was this investigation going on?
12:26 When did you contact Azam Khan Sahib and how did he give all these statements?
12:31 These are the basic questions, which are related to the statement of the cipher, the whereabouts of Azam Khan Sahib, and his statement.
12:41 These are the important questions, which we are all looking for the answer to.
12:47 One very important element that is associated with this case is that Rana Sinala Sahib said in a press conference that the cipher is with the Chairman of the Justice Department.
12:57 And it is necessary to arrest him to get it.
13:01 So, big question, will the Chairman of the Justice Department be arrested in this case?
13:07 These are some of the important questions, which are related to all these ciphers, this statement and the politics of the last year and a half.
13:16 All of you will find the answer to this.
13:18 Shoaib Shaheen Sahib is present with us.
13:19 Thank you very much, lawyer.
13:20 Sana Bucha Sahiba is present with us.
13:22 The reporter Sana Bibi is also present with us. Thank you very much.
13:24 And Nasir Hussain Shah Sahib, who is from Pakistan People's Party.
13:27 You are saying that the People's Party and Noon are saying that whatever big issue was raised, which is called a drama, has now become a drop scene.
13:36 If we go one by one, what is the legal status of this?
13:40 There is nothing.
13:41 The first thing is that who were those people, today that information has reached to those who had kidnapped them.
13:49 This has been proved. The FIR has been cut. In the Ishaanabad High Court, the law enforcement agencies have written that he is a missing person, he has been kidnapped.
14:00 But we are aware about him.
14:01 He says that he was with his friend.
14:03 But his statement has been brought to the court.
14:05 If he comes before the court, then we will know how he is.
14:08 He will come and we will investigate him.
14:10 If he takes someone and makes them write something or do something or make them so violent that they are not in the capacity to come and tell the truth, that is a later matter.
14:19 But he came in front of the court.
14:21 According to him, I have a question.
14:23 This is written to the Interior Minister or to this media, which is not his statement.
14:29 This is a statement that Azam Khan has said.
14:37 Welcome back, Naseem. As you saw, the Chairman of the Judiciary has been acquitted.
14:41 He has been acquitted in this Cipher case on 25th July.
14:43 Sada Bucha Sahiba, as you said, there are many things that are in front of us as facts.
14:49 There is a statement, which is not an Iqbali statement, it is not even 164.
14:54 The language used in this is as per MAK.
14:58 According to them, they said.
15:00 Second, where were they?
15:02 Third, the Cipher politics and the whole thing around it.
15:06 What is the most important issue for you at the moment, which has come to light today?
15:10 Look, it is very important for me that there should be coordination in the government and establishment, which is seen to be missing.
15:18 I can tell you very proudly that one and a half weeks ago, I was in Islamabad.
15:22 Shabaz Sharif, the Prime Minister of Pakistan, he did not know where Azam Khan was.
15:27 He was asking people.
15:28 So, you tell me, today Rana Sanaullah Sahib has received this information.
15:33 Today he has also held a press conference very quickly.
15:36 As you said, Azam Khan Sahib's nephew had also filed an FIR.
15:40 So, Azam Khan Sahib was a missing person.
15:42 So, he has given this statement under duress in front of the Judicial Magistrate.
15:47 Obviously, you also know that under duress you can say anything.
15:51 And this also does not make him a saint from anywhere.
15:54 Because there is so much filth in this whole matter.
15:56 There is so much lie that no one is telling the truth.
15:59 Where was Azam Khan Sahib a month ago?
16:02 For a month, who was he in restraint?
16:06 Who had kept him with them?
16:09 What was being done for him?
16:11 I think everyone knows this.
16:12 And it is also true that the US cipher was made as a conspiracy.
16:17 The statement made by Imran Khan was also based on lies.
16:20 This is also true in its own way.
16:22 Whatever discussion Imran Khan Sahib had, Azam Khan Sahib's audio is in front of him.
16:27 He said, let's play with it. The minutes are in our hands.
16:29 So, if Azam Khan Sahib will make a plan by mixing up the facts, then he cannot be a saint.
16:36 The second thing is that the Judicial Magistrate also has journalists.
16:40 There are so many cases, so many personalities, so many allegations.
16:45 And they have come to give such a big testimony.
16:48 And no one is present.
16:49 You don't know when they came, how they came, from which door they came, from which car they came.
16:54 The real question is where they went, who is this journalist, you don't know that either.
16:58 Yes, yes, you don't know that either.
17:01 Nor will it be allowed to be known.
17:02 You know that yesterday it was announced that the FIA is a reliable source.
17:06 Now a case can be started on this cipher.
17:08 You have seen how many changes have come since yesterday.
17:10 They will keep coming.
17:11 I am not saying that Azam Khan Sahib is lying.
17:13 I am just saying that why is Azam Khan Sahib telling the truth now?
17:16 Why did he hide it earlier?
17:18 All his cases are in front of the IB.
17:21 Mr. Khattak obviously put him ahead.
17:24 Where is Mr. Khattak today?
17:25 Today he is saying that if you mix the knots, you will see whether they are parliamentarians or insolent.
17:30 So why do you create such a grey area?
17:33 That there is so much confusion between right and wrong.
17:37 That we cannot take Azam Khan Sahib's side here.
17:39 We cannot call Imran Khan Sahib right.
17:41 And our institutions, which our government is doing, we cannot call them right either.
17:45 So the problem is that if you want to say something wrong,
17:48 and if you have touched any evidence,
17:50 everyone knew that this is a cipher.
17:52 Everyone knew.
17:53 You tell me.
17:54 And the second, and this is a very important aspect, Kashir, no one is talking about this.
17:57 Just tell me that our institutions, which are so regulated,
18:03 such a big conspiracy was created under their nose.
18:06 Our foreign relations were completely destroyed.
18:10 Our establishment was quietly watching.
18:12 It was buying time.
18:14 3 months, 4 months, 6 months, every press conference was shown.
18:18 Every convention was shown.
18:19 Mir Jafar is Mir Sadiq.
18:21 So this is American, so this is American conspiracy, so this is a Bajwa conspiracy.
18:24 So where is General Retired Bajwa Sahib?
18:26 And tell me what the establishment was doing at that time.
18:29 Are we so weak that one man destroyed the foreign policy of this whole country?
18:35 A false pot in the name of a conspiracy.
18:37 And you didn't touch it?
18:39 I mean, which country do we live in?
18:41 After 9th May, everything gets activated.
18:43 When such a big lie was buried,
18:46 the lies that were going to be heard at that time, were they going to be heard?
18:49 One more question is also obvious.
18:51 There was a cipher.
18:53 The language of the cipher was kept in front of us.
18:55 No one denied it.
18:57 Not only this, but there are two meetings of the National Security Committee.
19:00 In both the meetings, it was called blatant interference in internal affairs of Pakistan.
19:04 What was told about this cipher was that no confidence is coming.
19:09 Relations with Pakistan are affected by this no confidence.
19:12 If it is successful, then we will forgive.
19:15 If it is unsuccessful, then it will have repercussions.
19:20 You will have to suffer the consequences.
19:22 So this was also a reality.
19:24 Cipher is a reality.
19:25 At least everyone believes in this one thing.
19:28 General Babar Iftikhar Sahib, if you look at the statement of the former DG of ISPR,
19:35 3 months or 4 months after this whole statement was made,
19:38 he gave a press conference. What was his statement on this whole conspiracy?
19:44 I will tell you. I have written it.
19:46 As it is written in this declaration that undiplomatic language has been used.
19:50 It is written in the declaration that whatever has been said is in the form of interference.
19:54 So a demarche is given on it.
19:57 That is a diplomatic procedure.
19:59 Precisely.
20:01 So I am saying that you tell me whether the ISPR at that time was making a wrong statement
20:06 or the government at that time is making a wrong statement.
20:09 Was Azam Khan at that time right or is he right now?
20:11 Was Imran Khan Sahib right at that time?
20:13 Is the current PTI chairman wrong?
20:14 Just tell me what is to be believed?
20:17 Who is to run this country?
20:19 Who is to run?
20:20 You have such a contract with an institution.
20:22 Azam Khan Sahib is a hand in glove with the establishment.
20:24 What will he show to anyone?
20:26 So the institutions remain the same.
20:27 The chiefs keep changing.
20:29 Along with that, changes come in the heart and in the situation.
20:33 So now we are going on the heart that what is being said and what is happening.
20:35 No one knows anything.
20:36 I was asking Shadi.
20:37 Shadi, he is saying what is to be believed.
20:39 You tell me what is to be believed.
20:41 In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.
20:44 Allahumma salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala Muhammad.
20:47 See, Azam Khan Sahib is telling now.
20:51 We were saying from the first day that all this is a lie.
20:53 Our leadership said at that time that a personal meeting, a meal, a tea or a tea party
21:03 where he met, he sent that thing from there.
21:07 It was changed, you yourself heard the audio leaks in which Khan Sahib himself was saying
21:13 that he plays on it, then all these things happened, then he made a lot of noise about it.
21:19 And there was nothing in it.
21:21 Sir, let's agree on one thing.
21:24 The language was very strict.
21:26 It was against a government because of which it was called blatant interference.
21:30 It was also said that according to the future of relations with Pakistan, it will be on a vote of no confidence.
21:36 These are facts to this extent.
21:38 After the fact, you decide whether he is right or you are right.
21:43 Now, this is a confusion on this thing.
21:45 There is no confusion on this thing that the language used was very wrong and strict.
21:50 See, it is that there was no official meeting in which it was called and as it is requested here,
21:59 there is no issue.
22:00 There was a meeting of the meditators, what are you doing?
22:02 Narabani Khan Sahib himself is saying that it was requested in the foreign office
22:05 and it was said that this thing of yours is wrong.
22:08 Sometimes the Indian is requested, sometimes the Aghwanistan people or someone else.
22:13 The real role has come if there was no official meeting, then why are you doing this?
22:17 It is not like that.
22:19 This was a meeting of his tea, meal, and tea party where there was a conversation between them.
22:25 In which no strict language was said in the way it is done here.
22:31 It was not like that.
22:32 Then he sent it to the Prime Minister.
22:34 Sir, the Prime Minister said that Shabaz Sharif Sahib had a threatening conversation.
22:38 I am saying this again.
22:39 Sir, it was their conversation among themselves, whatever the matter was.
22:44 I can't say that the Prime Minister said this, I don't know about this.
22:51 But the Ambassador himself is saying that it was not such a matter that is present here.
22:56 He is saying that it was not a conspiracy, it was a narrative made about this cipher.
23:01 The narrative was made, you saw that it was used in it, its language was changed.
23:09 Which he himself has accepted.
23:11 All this is a lie.
23:12 But what is the truth of what the Khan Sahib has understood, that cipher is false,
23:16 American conspiracy is false, the agreement with Russia was false,
23:22 and then the entire track record behind it, the rain of dollars is false,
23:28 the one crore jobs were false, the 50 lakh houses were false.
23:32 Okay, now we are going to politics, which is fine, they made a narrative.
23:35 The political narrative is a little different from that, this cipher and till now they are on the topic.
23:39 This narrative that came in front of Mr. Ayeshwar Yafza,
23:42 it is very easy for Azam Khan to come and say that I did not give this statement.
23:46 All these points that have been attributed to me are not mine.
23:50 So no one will play such a big gamble that they continue this statement to date
23:54 and tomorrow Azam Khan will come and get fired from it.
23:56 But the first thing is that when this matter will go to the court of law,
23:59 the first question will be that today this statement has been presented by the Minister of Interior
24:06 and the answer of the Government of Pakistan in the High Court is that
24:10 he is in the missing persons, his whereabouts are not known.
24:13 The first question that is asked is that where did this statement come from
24:19 or from where did it come to the Minister of Interior or the state officials and where did Azam Khan go?
24:23 I will ask you two questions.
24:24 I will ask you two questions.
24:26 One, if he comes and says that I was in Peshawar with my friend,
24:32 and this statement is mine, then?
24:34 Then also it has no value.
24:36 First of all, there will be an investigation on it.
24:38 If you were there, then where were you for a month with a friend?
24:43 Who is a person who retires in the 22nd grade,
24:46 he is not abnormal, he is not crazy,
24:49 he does not leave his children, his wife, his brothers, his sisters.
24:53 So, meaning there is pressure on him.
24:55 Anyone can come to this court.
24:57 Okay, I am just saying that if he comes and stands in his court and agrees that
25:03 Sir, see, legally what will the court say?
25:06 You are saying that I did not go, but we know that you were there and you were not aware.
25:09 If someone's statement does not have corroboration through independent evidence,
25:15 then it can be used against him,
25:18 but it cannot be used against anyone.
25:20 This is a settled law.
25:22 That is, if someone comes and gives a confessional statement,
25:25 someone admits, or any kind of statement,
25:28 it can be used against his identity.
25:31 If he uses it against another person,
25:34 then corroboration is required for him,
25:36 strong evidence is required for him.
25:37 There is also a audio leak.
25:38 So what is the effect of that?
25:39 The legal sanctity of audio and video leaks has already been determined by the Supreme Court in the Arshad Malik case.
25:45 The Isamabad High Court has already given its decision on it.
25:47 And now the commission that they had made, the Supreme Court suspended it on the same grounds that
25:53 first of all, this is to be told.
25:54 Listen, one more question.
25:55 One more question.
25:56 One thing for him.
25:57 This is your technical point, I agree.
25:58 The law says that first the agency should come and tell that
26:01 we have made this audio or video,
26:04 until it comes to light, or no agency comes,
26:07 it has no legal value.
26:09 I have conceded a few things to you,
26:11 that he was missing,
26:12 he was missing,
26:14 this statement that has come so far is not a valid statement,
26:17 it has no legal value,
26:18 and it will have to be corroborated.
26:19 Will the Justice Department have to provide evidence at some point,
26:22 that how and why this conspiracy was,
26:25 will it have to be given?
26:26 They did not have to give it.
26:28 Now, you must remember,
26:30 during his time in power,
26:32 Chairman PTI made General Retired Tarek the head of the commission,
26:36 which he was the one who came after two days,
26:37 and he said that he apologised that he would not do it.
26:39 Then, through President Alvi,
26:42 he was sent to the Chief Justice of Pakistan for the Constitution of the Judicial Commission,
26:47 which was not done.
26:48 After that, when the decision came against the ruling of Qasim Suri,
26:52 the Supreme Court reproduced those two minutes in it.
26:55 They said that it has been accepted that the foreign state has interfered in our peace and sovereignty.
27:05 This is a matter of the National Security Committee.
27:07 It is present in both the minutes of the National Security Committee.
27:09 And one thing is very important.
27:10 But the other one is saying that there is no conspiracy in this.
27:12 Listen, that is the same thing.
27:13 They said that for the conspiracy,
27:15 that the local players who were involved in this,
27:18 for that, we cannot determine without the commission.
27:21 What evidence was there,
27:22 near Qasim Suri, on the basis of which he said that these people are also involved in this.
27:27 So, on this point, his ruling was satisfied.
27:30 The second thing is very important.
27:31 One thing.
27:32 I will say something else.
27:33 When Shahbaz Sharif was called to the National Security Council,
27:37 Asad Majeed admitted all his contents.
27:40 He said that whatever he wrote, that is true.
27:43 And let me say one more thing.
27:44 There were minute-takers in this meeting.
27:46 All these things are written in the courts.
27:49 Like you are in a coffee meeting,
27:52 and you meet someone at a coffee table,
27:54 then you can write about their statements as a clarification.
27:57 Here, there are direct courts.
27:59 But, Mr. Sinha, if you are asked,
28:01 what should be the investigation of?
28:04 You can say one, two, three and tell me,
28:05 what do you want investigated?
28:07 What should be the investigation of?
28:08 And today's Judicial Commission,
28:09 let me say one thing,
28:10 if you go to Madam,
28:11 if there is a big Judicial Commission,
28:14 which at least proves that
28:16 what level of people are involved in this,
28:18 is an official, who is a minister of interior,
28:22 he will investigate whether Imran Khan is involved,
28:24 or Asim Zardari is involved,
28:25 or Shahbaz Sharif is involved,
28:27 or the present government is involved,
28:28 or the rest of the people are involved?
28:29 A high-powered commission.
28:30 A high-powered commission,
28:31 on which everyone has trust,
28:32 everything should be brought forward,
28:33 and after that, all will agree to the investigation.
28:35 There should be some credibility.
28:36 Sana Bucha Sahiba,
28:37 what kind of investigations do you want,
28:39 one, two, three,
28:40 and what they are saying,
28:41 that a high-powered commission should investigate this?
28:45 Look, what I want,
28:46 it should not make a difference, Mr. Kashif.
28:48 As a journalist,
28:49 we say that we should not do this.
28:52 I am just saying,
28:53 I am very upset that
28:55 we have Tosha Khana,
28:57 or the marriage of Iddat,
28:58 or all the things are in front of you,
29:00 what all allegations have been made,
29:01 from the ban of funding,
29:02 from Tosha Khana,
29:03 from Tosha Khana,
29:04 to the matter of Iddat,
29:05 a big, Allah Allah,
29:06 from the sectarian case,
29:07 and he got rid of it,
29:08 so the matter of Iddat has come.
29:09 Look, this is a very important thing,
29:10 that Azam Khan was a very key figure,
29:13 he was also elder than Imran Khan,
29:15 he used to come and give presentations
29:17 at 11.30 in the morning of every I.B.,
29:20 who used to meet I.B. before that?
29:23 Azam Khan used to do that.
29:24 Has he tampered,
29:25 or has he done evidence,
29:26 or has he done anything else?
29:28 The basic thing about the cipher,
29:30 whether it came out right or not.
29:32 The perception of a country has become,
29:34 that a man has spread a paper,
29:35 and put an allegation on another country.
29:38 Tell me,
29:39 that at that time,
29:40 there was no love for Imran Khan in Biden's heart,
29:42 and now it has awakened.
29:43 Now you see,
29:44 how Trump has been arrested,
29:46 his house has also been searched.
29:47 So if there is a matter of cipher,
29:49 then tell us the contents.
29:51 If the magistrate has given a statement,
29:53 then tell us that too.
29:54 I don't understand,
29:55 that Imran Khan has lied in everything,
29:57 but at least someone in our country,
29:58 should try to speak the truth.
30:00 Here, either nothing is said,
30:02 or lies are spoken.
30:03 That's why I am confused,
30:04 that someone should speak the truth for Allah.
30:06 This is not right,
30:08 that one version is one,
30:09 and the other version is another,
30:10 and according to the time,
30:11 the decision is made,
30:12 that what version will be this time.
30:14 Flavor of the month,
30:16 or flavor of the day,
30:17 yes, ask yourself.
30:18 Unfortunate reality is what we are facing.
30:20 No, I understand.
30:21 No, see Kashik,
30:23 the country in which you live,
30:24 the country in which I live,
30:25 you know where the power corridors come from,
30:28 and where they close.
30:29 You know who is the most powerful in this country.
30:31 I just want to know,
30:32 that General Retired Faiz Hamid Saad,
30:34 was he cooperating in this conspiracy?
30:37 Was he watching Yatrachaman season?
30:39 Was General Retired Bajwa Saab buying time?
30:42 He had gone to Peshawar to earn core.
30:46 Yes, yes, Peshawar core.
30:48 I am saying that who was with whom till the last breath,
30:52 and this one establishment,
30:54 which is given to a person in the North,
30:57 if someone talks a little,
30:58 one person has made such a big conspiracy,
31:01 has ruined the country,
31:03 has threatened IMF financially,
31:05 has done everything,
31:06 you didn't even touch him.
31:08 Today we are saying that Azam Khan's statement has come,
31:11 so come to the court tomorrow.
31:13 Tomorrow they will take bail again.
31:14 Today till 27th July,
31:15 they and Bishra bhabhi have got bail.
31:17 Now they are saying that to throw mud on us,
31:19 this case of Yaddat has been filed.
31:21 There they have taken another legal point,
31:25 that when you go to the session court,
31:26 it is not the same session court.
31:27 The one in Tushar Khana is the second judge of a session court.
31:30 Meaning they have destroyed the legal details so much,
31:33 that Shoaib Shaheen is saluted,
31:34 that he defends Imran Khan on a new foundation every day.
31:37 But Pakistan has never made 180 cases against anyone.
31:40 Shaheen sir, the one who breaks the law,
31:41 the law doesn't protect them.
31:43 The one who has broken the law,
31:45 the one who has violated the law of this country,
31:47 for them to talk about law,
31:49 I don't think it is right.
31:50 You have your say and you are right,
31:54 but the one for whom you talk,
31:55 that is not right.
31:56 This law, in our country,
31:58 people say that it is the nose of the law.
32:00 This is a big problem of ours.
32:01 When there is a lie,
32:02 there is no foot of a lie.
32:04 Lie is always a lie.
32:05 When it goes to the courts,
32:07 the courts close their eyes and then decide.
32:09 The second thing is that the case of Iddat,
32:12 there have been decisions made that this cannot be a criminal case.
32:14 Is this right?
32:15 Yes.
32:16 High court's decision, Supreme Court's decision.
32:17 There are many decisions.
32:18 There are many decisions that this is not a criminal case.
32:19 But of course, the cases will be made.
32:21 180 FI's are coming,
32:22 180 cases, which are different.
32:25 Here, our Shahji, the problem is that
32:27 when you were in the opposition,
32:29 you used to say that these false cases are made by the government.
32:32 Or they make them, or they make new ones.
32:34 Whatever it is, it makes.
32:35 Today you are in the government,
32:37 so you are not correcting it.
32:38 You say that it is our turn now,
32:39 we will make these cases.
32:41 First, answer this.
32:42 Second, what do you want?
32:44 Should a high-powered commission be formed
32:46 to investigate this,
32:47 of the cipher and this conspiracy or conspiracy?
32:50 Yes, absolutely.
32:53 It should be formed.
32:55 And we have been saying from the beginning
32:57 that the truth should be revealed.
32:58 Who took the stake in this,
32:59 when the inquiry was being conducted?
33:01 This high-powered.
33:02 First, we should find this.
33:06 Where is Khan Sahib?
33:08 Where is he hiding him?
33:10 He himself was saying that
33:11 I don't know where the cipher has gone
33:13 and I am not able to find it.
33:15 And when he went,
33:16 he came with the Prime Minister's house.
33:19 First, there should be an investigation,
33:22 an inquiry.
33:24 First, we should find him.
33:27 And then, we should move forward with the whole thing.
33:31 The high-powered should be formed
33:33 to see how they have ruined the country
33:36 for their own selfish ego.
33:39 If I am not in power,
33:41 then nothing is left.
33:42 And I will break the assemblies,
33:44 all the relations,
33:46 all the countries,
33:47 I will ruin them.
33:48 The IMF deal,
33:49 whatever I did,
33:51 now if I am going,
33:52 I will lay mines in it.
33:54 And what else did Khan Sahib not do?
33:57 First, the cipher conspiracy,
34:00 I will request that the investigation should be done.
34:03 And the investigation,
34:04 as you said,
34:05 if there is a high-powered commission,
34:06 then the high-powered commission should be done.
34:08 Absolutely.
34:09 There is no doubt about it.
34:11 Shahji, we need a political answer.
34:15 He is saying that the FIA will do this investigation.
34:17 The high-powered commission should be written tomorrow.
34:19 Prime Minister, Chief Justice of Pakistan,
34:21 should make a high-powered commission
34:23 and for their help,
34:24 all the agencies should sit,
34:26 whatever they can give, give.
34:27 And make it,
34:28 write it tomorrow.
34:29 Shahji,
34:30 Shahbaz Shahbaz Shahbaz Shahbaz Shahbaz
34:31 said that
34:32 he will make a high-powered independent commission
34:34 when his floor is on your assembly.
34:36 And since then,
34:37 it has been missing.
34:38 Shahji, your government said
34:39 that we will investigate this.
34:40 He is saying that make a commission.
34:42 Good to hear this,
34:45 by Shoaib Shaheen.
34:47 It felt good to hear this from him.
34:50 So, it should be done,
34:51 that a high commission should be made
34:54 on which everyone is trusted.
34:56 It should not be that
34:58 if it is made,
34:59 then other things should come for it.
35:01 So, it should be made.
35:03 You understand what he is saying.
35:05 You write and sit,
35:07 that make it under Qazi Faiza's leadership.
35:10 We all admit that he should make it.
35:12 Okay,
35:13 whoever he makes,
35:14 he should make it.
35:15 Absolutely.
35:16 Then, Mr. Khan will not agree to this.
35:18 Make it,
35:19 but first write a letter.
35:21 You do not make it by FIA,
35:23 but write a letter.
35:24 We trust him.
35:26 We trust him completely.
35:30 And let me tell you,
35:32 that Qazi sahib,
35:34 just because his leadership is clear,
35:40 and he is not our favorite,
35:43 I will tell you,
35:46 because of him,
35:49 we think that it will be difficult,
35:51 after his arrival.
35:52 Tell me one thing,
35:53 I am asking a question to Sana.
35:55 Obviously,
35:56 all the judges are respectable for us.
35:58 I am sure that everybody wants to do the best for this country.
36:01 I hope everybody does that.
36:03 Sana,
36:04 Rana Sanaullah sahib,
36:05 you both have the name Sana,
36:07 Rana sahib said this.
36:09 No.
36:10 This is a good comparison.
36:12 This is not a good comparison.
36:14 Sana is left,
36:15 Rana Sana is not.
36:16 Where is Sana left,
36:18 and where is Rana Sanaullah?
36:19 The land is above the sky.
36:20 Somewhere Mary Lee,
36:21 somewhere Devi Sana.
36:22 You are right.
36:23 I am the sky,
36:25 you have made me the land.
36:27 Rana Sanaullah sahib said in the press conference,
36:30 that the cipher is with the chairman,
36:33 and to recover it,
36:36 arresting is necessary.
36:38 Will this be the reason,
36:40 for which the arrest will be made?
36:42 I think that,
36:45 people are doing things like this,
36:48 and you know how desperate they are,
36:50 that in some case,
36:51 Imran Khan should be arrested,
36:53 Chairman PTI,
36:54 it has been a long time,
36:55 he was not called good to see you,
36:56 so we should be good to see you,
36:58 we have not seen him for a long time,
37:00 so we will also cool our eyes,
37:02 while taking him in custody or not,
37:04 but this can happen,
37:05 and it should happen,
37:06 that the cipher is present,
37:08 like the chairman was blindfolded in the program.
37:11 If you dare to call him,
37:13 this will be the reality of the free media,
37:18 I cannot call him.
37:20 So who is the person,
37:22 who is not allowed to take his name,
37:25 who is not allowed to call the most popular leader,
37:28 who is not allowed to take his name,
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