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The Jeremy Kyle Show 28th November 2011

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00:00A woman who says she put herself into care because of her mum's violence.
00:04I was took off with that other person because I was sick of the abuse, I was suffering off from you.
00:09And once you two ran away to me with that carving knife, I knew I had to get out of there if I saw some boys right, you'd kill me.
00:15Can this family feud be resolved?
00:17Did you come on this show to get the money or to rekindle?
00:20Yes. And to get down to the truth because I said, as Tony...
00:25So you're not bothered about a relationship with your daughter?
00:27No. The only trouble is...
00:29You're a horrible human being. I know I am. I'll always be horrible.
00:33The man here to confront his ex-wife because she cheated with his friend.
00:37You're the biggest... artist on the plate. I knew about the party, right?
00:42Because you told me, right? Why don't you tell everybody why you're stalking Karen round the town,
00:47tapping her on the shoulder, waiting on top of the street, putting notes on the door just after midnight,
00:51like the other week when your mate left after you. Because you told... I'm just giving out for the walk.
00:56The woman here to confront her boyfriend's ex.
00:59I don't want him back.
01:00Why tell everybody then?
01:01I don't want him. I do not want Matt back.
01:03Why tell him, mate, that my son is not his?
01:05I do not want Matt back.
01:07Oh, get it, get it.
01:08The person I want is my two kids and myself to get on with my life.
01:11You've got Matt and you've got Matt back.
01:13That's all on my show. It's next.
01:15Hello, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:37Now, before new shows start next week, I'm going to be looking back at some of the highlights from last year.
01:42Now, you might just remember my first guest, Deb. She came to the show to confront Mother Mavis,
01:47who she claimed was violent to her growing up. Deb said things were so bad,
01:51she ended up putting herself into care at just 15 years of age.
01:55Let's find out what happened when they came to the show.
01:58Just as a headline out of that story, you told my researchers that your mother was so violent,
02:04you put yourself into care at 15 years of age.
02:06Tell us about what the childhood preceding that time was like, in your own words.
02:11Well, basically, it started out from a very early age.
02:16She was that violent. Eventually, she took her in and got me out of the sink with a carving knife.
02:21Your own mother? How old were you?
02:23Oh, it started from when I was about six, seven, when she started the abuse.
02:28And I even ended up getting married.
02:31Hold on a second, hold on a second. Your own mother drew a knife on you?
02:35Yes. Is it true that you ran to the police station to report this woman?
02:40Yes, it's true.
02:42You said that you knew quickly that this wasn't how a child should be treated.
02:47You've talked about the knife. Give us some other examples of the way that you were treated.
02:52It took me across the back of the legs and so on with, like, with canes from the garden.
02:59You said that you were punished repeatedly, you were blamed for everything,
03:02and it got to a point at 15 where it was just horrific.
03:07I ran away from home several times just to be away from her, but they always took me back.
03:13Just one second. I always say to people, they can sit in the audience and they can look in there.
03:17Just imagine, your own mother pulls a knife on you.
03:19Just imagine that you're so scared of your mother, you're so abused by your mother,
03:23that at 15 you voluntarily put yourself into care. Was that, at the time, a relief?
03:28Yes, when I went into care, it was a relief. It was so much, like, relief,
03:33because I met two people in there, which I got really close to,
03:37and them two people made my life much better.
03:41Let's bring it up to date. You've moved on. You are with Chris.
03:46You're married to Chris? Yes. Yeah.
03:49Your mother, Mavis, and you, your relationship is no good, to be fair,
03:55and your uncle Tony has got involved in this. It really is a family feud.
03:59What's the relationship like now, and where are the problems today?
04:03The problems are my uncle's interference. He's also a thieving toe rag.
04:07He's a thieving toe rag. What do you mean by that?
04:09He's stealing off your mother? Yes.
04:11And blaming you and your husband?
04:13But apparently there's an amount of money,
04:15it doesn't matter how much it is, that you owe your mother
04:17and she took you to a small claims clause, et cetera, et cetera.
04:20Yes, she too was going to come at me when I was at my lowest
04:22when I'd just lost a friend.
04:24And while I was grieving, she took me to court.
04:26How much did you, listen to this,
04:28how much did your mother lend you and then,
04:30because you weren't actually able to pay it back straight away,
04:33took you to a small claims court?
04:35£1,150.
04:38What's it doing to you knowing that the woman
04:40who brought you into the world treats you so badly?
04:42The thing with her face is spicy cream.
04:46She bought me this.
04:49I thought at least I'd got her love at last, but I haven't.
04:53She don't care.
04:55And you want her love?
04:57That's all I wanted was her love.
04:59All right, we're going to get her out?
05:01Let's get Mavis on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
05:03Butter wouldn't melt. Welcome to the show.
05:16You told my researchers as a kid she was a complete nightmare.
05:19Well, no. That's a lie.
05:22That's not a lie, that's what you told them.
05:24She was a nightmare.
05:26What sort of mother were you?
05:28Me.
05:29Yeah, you.
05:30I'll tell you the truth.
05:32I looked after them.
05:33I fed them.
05:34You looked after them and you fed them, but let's be perfectly honest.
05:36Let's cut to the chase, darling.
05:37You took a knife to your own child.
05:40No, I didn't.
05:41Yes, you did.
05:42Cross my heart and hope to die.
05:43Yes, you did.
05:44I did not.
05:45You got me out of the sink with a carving knife in front of the person.
05:48I did not.
05:49Yes, you did.
05:50Well, why would she make that up?
05:52You did it.
05:53It's the same as it makes other things up.
05:54I don't make nothing up.
05:55She even turned around and told me, Jerry, as my brother down out there asked her to
06:02go to bed with him.
06:03It's true.
06:04He did.
06:05He did, yes.
06:07Who asked her?
06:08What?
06:09What did she just say?
06:10Tell you the truth.
06:11That one out there that's coming on in a minute, Tony, my uncle.
06:14Yeah.
06:15Right?
06:16It was at his place and he turned in and asked me to go to bed with him.
06:19I said, no, don't.
06:20You're welcome, son.
06:21Yes.
06:22And it's not my place.
06:23How do you know if you weren't there?
06:24And I couldn't go back to her and tell her because I was too scared to go back to her.
06:28You just seemed to sit there like butter wouldn't melt.
06:30If you were a great mother, why did she put herself into care at 15 voluntarily?
06:34Why would she do that if you were so good?
06:36Because you took off with a married man.
06:38I took off with a blunt.
06:39And she went, she would.
06:40Talk to her, not me.
06:41Excuse me.
06:42I took off.
06:43I took off with that other person.
06:45Wrong.
06:46I was took off with that other person because I was sick of the abuse.
06:50I was suffering off from you.
06:51You didn't.
06:52And once you took her and went to me with that carbon knife, I knew I had to get out of
06:56that house of boys right.
06:57You'd kill me.
06:59Did you treat any differently from the other kids?
07:01Yes, she did.
07:02No, I didn't.
07:03Why did she put herself into care then?
07:05Because she wanted to.
07:06Well, what does that tell her about your house?
07:08Because I didn't want to care for you.
07:09What does that tell you about you?
07:11Nothing.
07:12Why don't you look in the mirror and take some responsibility for the fact that she couldn't
07:17bear being at home and put herself into care because she was frightened of you.
07:21Because I don't think watching this programme, there are many mothers who would actually take
07:25a knife out against a 15-year-old child.
07:28Let's just repeat this for people watching.
07:31This child put herself, put herself into care.
07:35Well, she's done that, not me.
07:38That says nothing about you, does it?
07:40Can I just say something, Jeremy, as well?
07:42The time when I took her and put myself into care, I went down to the police, informed
07:45me to the police what was going on.
07:47The two of them had contacted her, she'd come up and she'd beat the hell out of me in
07:51front of the police.
07:52No, I didn't.
07:53When I went to go back and do, they pulled me off you!
07:55You're a liar, Debbie.
07:56No, I'm f***ing related to you.
07:57You're a liar.
07:58You are the liar.
08:00You're a liar.
08:01What's the matter?
08:02Can I ask you something?
08:03I'm no liar.
08:05Can I ask you a question?
08:06Yes.
08:07You said that my child, Deb, was a nightmare.
08:08She was always disappearing.
08:09She was uncontrollable.
08:10I was delighted when she went in care.
08:12If she was so bad, why are you here?
08:15Because I want to tell you, if her gives me that money back as I borrowed her...
08:23Lent her?
08:24Yes.
08:25Well, borrowed her.
08:26Right?
08:27After that, I don't want nothing more to do with her.
08:31Right, after this break, we meet Mavis' brother, Tony, and Deb's husband, Chris.
08:36But the all-important question is, can this family feud ever be resolved?
08:40Don't go anywhere, because I'm right back.
08:41You!
08:42Come on!
08:43No, stay calm, yes, don't you see me?
08:44Come on, what?
08:45You lying!
08:46Who do you think you are?
08:47Who do you think you are?
08:48I'm her uncle, and I know what I've been to.
08:49Why don't you behave in a slightly better way, and not like a thug?
08:50Jeremy, she's telling lies!
08:51Are you having problems with your ex?
08:52Maybe you need a DNA test.
08:53Are you caught up in a long-running family feud?
08:56Or maybe you want to make amends with someone?
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09:41Welcome back.
09:42Now, before that break, we were looking back to when Deb and Mavis were on the show.
09:45Let's see what happened when Mavis' brother and Deb's husband joined them on stage.
09:50What sort of mother says on national television, I don't give a damn, I wash my hands, I just want 1100 quid.
09:56Are you telling me that your daughter is worth only to you 1100 pounds and then you're going to do one?
10:02Well.
10:03What do you mean, well?
10:04She brought it on herself.
10:06How did she bring it on herself, Mavis?
10:08How did she bring it on herself?
10:10Caught in lies and trouble and all that.
10:12Did you come to this show?
10:13Did you come to this show?
10:14What we told you about Tony out there, it was the truth.
10:16Did you, we'll get on to Tony in a minute.
10:17Did you come on this show to get the money or to rekindle?
10:19Yes.
10:20And to get down to the truth because I said, as Tony.
10:24So you're not bothered about a relationship with your daughter?
10:26No.
10:27The only trouble is.
10:28You horrible human being.
10:30I know I am.
10:31That's.
10:32I'll always be horrible.
10:33Doesn't that bother you?
10:34You're a 69.
10:35What am I?
10:36You're the biggest **** I've ever known.
10:39At least I hate a **** like you.
10:42Oh, well, at least one thing, Mum, I can actually say with my life, right?
10:46At least I can hold my head up high.
10:48I can hold my head up high.
10:49You **** can't.
10:50I can hold my head up high.
10:52You're only getting that to get to the point.
10:55I don't, you see.
10:56Oh, no, I'm not getting into the sympathy.
10:57Yes, you are.
10:58The reason is, right, I wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for that moron out in there that you're with.
11:03Who's brainwashed you.
11:04Mavis, Mavis, Mavis, let me ask you this.
11:05Who's going to leave you lying inside the bed.
11:07Obviously not.
11:08Go and take all the tools on that when you die, right?
11:11Yes.
11:12And basically, then he's going to notify everybody else.
11:15Do you admit that you weren't a very good mother?
11:17Me?
11:18No, I'm talking to that camera, love.
11:20Yes, you.
11:21No, I was a very good mother.
11:23I wish Moses was here.
11:25No, Jeremy.
11:26What did she do wrong?
11:27What did she do then that was so wrong that you're sat here today saying you don't want a relationship with her?
11:32What did she do?
11:33Because she wouldn't even do as I asked her to do.
11:35No kids do.
11:36Damn it, all I ever wanted out of my life off you was love.
11:40Look at her.
11:41And you couldn't even give it me.
11:43Let's just bring this story back to Tony a little bit.
11:46This is your brother and your uncle.
11:48Basically.
11:49You accused him of trying it on with you.
11:50Yes, he did try it on with me.
11:52And that was while his wife was still alive.
11:54Well, he's took money out of her gyro when he went to go and cash it.
12:02When she come back.
12:03Are you saying that he's taking money off her without her knowing?
12:06Yes.
12:07When he come back.
12:08The idiot's right.
12:09And give him ten pounds for going.
12:12For going down, yes.
12:13And that's after he took what he already did.
12:15But he didn't take any money.
12:17So, hold a second.
12:18Let me get this right.
12:19You went to court for eleven hundred quid.
12:20He's an alcoholic.
12:21Excuse me a second.
12:22You went to court for eleven hundred quid.
12:24That your daughter you say owes you.
12:26And you say that all I want today is the eleven hundred pounds my daughter owes me.
12:29Then I want nothing more to do with it.
12:30We have uncle Tony.
12:31Who apparently tried it on with you at some point.
12:33Who is on your side.
12:34Who is basically, you say, stealing off your mother and she can't see it.
12:38Exactly.
12:39Okay.
12:40Well, he's next on the show.
12:41Can I just say something else and all, Jeremy?
12:42Yes.
12:43Well, basically, right.
12:44There was also at the point of a sat-nav.
12:46We just took out the car.
12:47I believe he took it.
12:48And my mum's got you two turkeys.
12:50A sat-nav.
12:51Debbie, I haven't seen that thing.
12:53I didn't even know it had gone to her.
12:55Well, why was this so slow when I took in the thing at the police?
12:57So basically, you're...
12:58Did they check the cable and all?
13:00Excuse me.
13:01And why did you ask me for the cable on your birthday?
13:03I'm not bothered about the cable!
13:05You're saying that this bloke steals things?
13:07Yes.
13:08You're saying that he steals off her and all she's interested in is getting eleven hundred quid off you and your husband
13:12when you've done nothing wrong being abused by her all your life.
13:14Is that right?
13:15That's right.
13:16Let's get Uncle Tony on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
13:17I'm sorry.
13:18But why do you share my content in the show?
13:19Because this is the terrible response of the naked cat.
13:20Your stupid cat.
13:21Is that right?
13:22You!
13:23Why aren't you?!
13:24No, stay calm, then.
13:25You, lying!
13:26Oh, you are!
13:28You are!
13:29I'm not lying!
13:30Oh!
13:31You are!
13:32Oh!
13:33You are lying!
13:34Oi!
13:35Oi!
13:36Oi!
13:37Do not, ever, do that here.
13:38And not to a disabled woman.
13:40Understand it'll be out this damn building quicker than you can spell your name. Have you got it?
13:48Who do you think you are? Who do you think you are?
13:51I'm her uncle and I know what I've been to.
13:53Why don't you behave in a slightly better way and not like a thug?
13:56Jeremy, she's telling lies.
13:58Why did you try it on with her?
14:00I have not tried to tell me that.
14:02And I have not got that sap map.
14:04No one took ten days and found out if a thing about a friend.
14:08What's a sap nap?
14:10There are little things in a car.
14:13It's called a sap nap.
14:15Now if I do apologise, Steve, there was me wondering what a sap nap was.
14:18So did you try it on with her?
14:21No. Yes.
14:22You sure? Yes.
14:23I'll even take a blind detector on it.
14:26Oh, God. That'd be great to prove it.
14:28Don't.
14:29I'm not spending the money.
14:30Sit back.
14:31Don't.
14:32Be quiet.
14:33Did you try it on with her?
14:34No.
14:35Yes.
14:36Why are you so aggressive?
14:37Why are you so aggressive?
14:38Why?
14:39I've just had a knock, Jeremy.
14:40For all the things that's planned to make for...
14:42Your wife!
14:43Your wife!
14:44Shut your...
14:45Bloody pub!
14:46I was standing where the blinking...
14:48Right, let's just deal with this.
14:49Stairs were.
14:50He has a chance.
14:51Excuse me.
14:52But you had a nursing.
14:53Come to bed with me.
14:54I said I don't think so.
14:55Excuse me.
14:56He has to have a chance.
14:57Be quiet, to answer this.
14:58Did you try it on with Deb?
14:59No.
15:00Did you steal money from your sister's account?
15:05No.
15:06If I wanted to pinch my sister's money...
15:08Wouldn't you just ask her?
15:09I can do it at any time I want to.
15:12Your brother just said on national television...
15:14Don't say a word or I'll have you removed.
15:16Your brother just said on national television, and I quote,
15:18If I wanted to steal my sister's money, I could.
15:21He could do it at any time.
15:23Well, why wouldn't he just ask her for the money then?
15:28Why...
15:29Because to some people sat here, they would say...
15:32We feel very sorry for you about the childhood,
15:34but there are two sides to every story.
15:35You owe your mum some money, right?
15:37Are you deflecting the fact that you haven't paid that back
15:40by blaming him for stealing money?
15:42No.
15:43Because she doesn't seem to be aware.
15:44There is Jeremy.
15:45What?
15:46She is.
15:47She's blaming me.
15:48Jeremy.
15:49All the day.
15:50Jeremy.
15:51Right?
15:52I can only speak to one person.
15:53I'm...
15:54It's not...
15:55One at a time or I'm going to have a breakdown.
15:58And me.
15:59What?
16:00It's about time you did.
16:02You'll understand what I went f***ing through.
16:04I'm going to slap her in the teeth in a minute.
16:06No.
16:07Good time, Mum.
16:08No, Mum.
16:09I am mine.
16:10I'm not that little child no more.
16:14So, shut it.
16:15If you...
16:16Sit back a minute.
16:17What did you just say at 69 years of age?
16:20I'll slap her in the teeth.
16:21And you've never been violent to your daughter, no?
16:23Well...
16:24Oh, my...
16:25If her keeps butting in while he's trying to tell you something, I will do.
16:30No, you won't.
16:31Leave her around.
16:32You've got no guys to lay her down.
16:33Hang on me!
16:34Leave her around.
16:35Right.
16:36You do not touch it.
16:37It's all right.
16:38Right.
16:39Just...
16:40And it's okay what you lot say.
16:41He likes all this lot, so...
16:42You don't have had it to me!
16:43Do you know her?
16:44Do you know what it's like?
16:45I'll tell you the one thing...
16:46Have you been with it?
16:47But apparently...
16:48All it is is a piece of trash!
16:49Jake and Boo!
16:50Apparently you wanted to be with it.
16:51This is from a jailbird!
16:52No, I wouldn't!
16:53This is actually coming from a jailbird!
16:54A person who's been to jail!
16:55He's never been in jail!
16:56Can I ask...
16:57How long have you been with Chris, your husband?
16:58I've been with him 15 years.
16:59When he tried it on, I've just...
17:00You know...
17:01Were you with Chris?
17:02No.
17:03Were you with Chris?
17:04No, I wasn't.
17:05I wasn't.
17:06I wasn't married at the time.
17:07Right.
17:08And do you know Chris?
17:09Yes, I do.
17:10What do you think of Chris?
17:11He's a scumbag.
17:12Oh, well.
17:13It's going to get even better then.
17:14Chris is on the show.
17:15Chris is on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
17:17You're lying two-faced, two-faced get!
17:18You're lying two-faced get!
17:19Look at me!
17:20You're lying two-faced get!
17:22I was just...
17:23You know.
17:24You know, just...
17:25Were you with Chris?
17:26No, I wasn't.
17:27I wasn't married at the time.
17:28Right.
17:29And do you know Chris?
17:30I do.
17:31What do you think of Chris?
17:32He's a scumbag.
17:33Oh, well.
17:34It's going to get even better then.
17:35Chris is on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
17:36You're lying two-faced, two-faced get!
17:39Good!
17:40Well, that's a good start, isn't it?
17:42Sorry.
17:43What did you say to him?
17:44You're lying two-faced get!
17:46Look at me, you stupid
17:47Why can't you look at him, then?
17:52Excuse me, he's talking to you
17:53At the end of the day, you were lying little get
17:55Am I?
17:56Yeah, you are
17:56You Saturday, see you take the money
17:59You go down the post office down there, and did you
18:02And take £20
18:03I'm a witness to the fact you did
18:05Why the hell have you brought me on this show to show me up?
18:08And don't forget the coffee
18:09No!
18:10To prove I did not pinch that £10,000
18:13Or the piggy carry sat him up
18:15So why does she
18:16As you said I am
18:17It's a sat nav, moron
18:20It's a satellite navigation system
18:21I don't care what they call it
18:23I call it what I want to call it
18:25But as strange as you said
18:27I set it up and running
18:28So you are blaming me for pinching this
18:30I believe
18:31Navigation computer, whatever you call it
18:33I believe you took it
18:35Eh?
18:37Don't tell me
18:38All because, right
18:40Chris did not get her the presents you wanted for Christmas
18:43Hold on a second
18:43Let me just get this absolutely straight
18:45Before we get into a huge debate about a sap nap
18:48Can I just
18:50Chris, welcome to the show
18:51Your view on this
18:52You've been married to Deb for 13 years
18:54You say
18:55Although Mavis
18:57From what you've heard
18:58Was not the best mother
18:59You all got on a lot better
19:01And it was going fine
19:02Until he started putting his oar in
19:03What do you mean by that?
19:05What did he do?
19:05It's basically what it was
19:07Is that
19:08He was banned
19:09From the house
19:10And she can call me a liar
19:12Because it's over there
19:13Basically
19:13Did you ban him from your house?
19:15Yes
19:16No
19:16I'm asking her
19:17You liar
19:18He come up
19:18No
19:19He come up when he took a gun
19:20And stuck his hand on the ground
19:21And got the wall
19:22And then took a gun
19:23And got the police
19:24To get him away
19:25Why?
19:26Why?
19:26Get lost did you
19:27Fall over?
19:28Do you believe
19:30That your brother
19:30Is stealing from you?
19:31No
19:32But you're an idiot
19:33Shh
19:33But you do believe
19:35That your daughter
19:36And her husband
19:37Have deliberately
19:38Not paid you back
19:39That money
19:39For whatever reason
19:41And they are trying
19:41To blame your brother
19:42To take the criticism away
19:44Wait
19:45That's correct
19:46Have you ever attacked
19:47Chris and Deb?
19:48No
19:49Yes you did
19:49You attacked me
19:50Why did you come to this show?
19:52Don't even look at him
19:52Or anybody else
19:53Why did you come to this show?
19:54Because that stupid moron
19:55But you want a relationship
19:57With your mother
19:58Don't you?
19:58No
19:59I don't want a relationship
20:00With her after all it's done
20:01It's obvious
20:01You don't give a stop
20:02Do you want a relationship
20:03With your daughter?
20:04No
20:04Now stop
20:07Don't anybody say anything
20:08You
20:09Believe your brother
20:10Stop
20:11Yes
20:11You want the 1100 quid
20:13Back from her
20:14You want nothing more
20:14To do with her
20:15You say
20:15I'll pay you back the money
20:16But your brother
20:17Is stealing off you
20:17But you can't impinge
20:18You can't
20:19You know
20:19Affect what she's going to do
20:20You have to accept that
20:21You two
20:22You are saying
20:22Want nothing to do
20:23With her or him
20:23Not now
20:24So why are you arguing?
20:26Well basically
20:26The point is
20:28Is that it was no money
20:31To start off with
20:32Forget the money a minute
20:33This was starting
20:34About you and your mother
20:35Do you want a relationship
20:36With your mother
20:36Yes or no?
20:37No
20:38Not now
20:38You sure?
20:40I'm positive
20:40What about you mother?
20:42No
20:42Do you know the one thing
20:44I said about this show
20:45When we started
20:46Was we can come out here
20:47And we can do
20:47Conflict resolution
20:48And we can do
20:48All of that sort of stuff
20:49But at the end of the day
20:50Right
20:50Sometimes too much water
20:52Goes under the bridge
20:52You want nothing more
20:53To do with her
20:53No
20:54There's only one thing
20:55Mother
20:55Right
20:56Is that
20:57Is that
20:57You turn
20:58You turn round
20:59You do what I'm thinking
21:00About doing
21:01Grabbing out
21:02And strandling her
21:03You turn round
21:04At all
21:04Exactly about the carving knife
21:08And everything
21:09And you were bragging
21:11About it to him
21:12And me
21:13As if you were
21:14Happy to have done it
21:15I was sorry
21:17I'd have done now
21:18You're wacky
21:18I know I am
21:21I've always been a
21:23And I'll always
21:25Don't forget the fact
21:26You talk
21:27And boiling off
21:28Over tea
21:28Excuse me
21:29Excuse me
21:30I've done over 5000 stories
21:32And sometimes I say
21:33What I'm about to say
21:33Some things are not resolvable
21:35Just stop shouting
21:36At each other
21:36Just do what
21:38Is patently obvious
21:39You have to do
21:39Which is to disappear
21:40In the opposite direction
21:42Now I've been in contact
21:44With Deb, Mavis, Tony and Chris
21:45Since the show
21:46And this is what they told me
21:47Deb says
21:47Since the show
21:48My mum has made no effort
21:49To get in touch
21:50But I'm so glad
21:51I came on the show
21:52As it made me realise
21:53I'm better off
21:54Without her in my life
21:55All I wanted was her love
21:56But I'm now able
21:57To leave her in the past
21:58Me and Chris
21:59Are stronger than ever
22:00And able to get on
22:01With our lives in peace
22:02Mavis says
22:03I no longer have contact
22:05With Deb and Chris
22:05I'm happier
22:06Because I feel
22:07I have tried my best
22:08With my daughter
22:09I've recently been ill
22:10In hospital
22:11I was diagnosed with diabetes
22:12Deb wished me dead
22:13So I have washed my hands
22:14Of her now
22:15I'm getting better every day
22:16And looking forward
22:17To a peaceful year ahead
22:19And Tony finally says
22:21I've had no contact
22:22With Deb or Chris
22:22Since the show
22:23It's a relief
22:24Because we can get on
22:25With our lives
22:26Without hassle
22:26I've washed my hands
22:28Of them both
22:29Hopefully as I always say
22:30They can all move on
22:32With their own lives now
22:33Because they've discovered
22:34What they want
22:34I wish them
22:35The very best of luck
22:36For the future
22:36Now join me after this break
22:37When I continue to look back
22:39At my most memorable shows
22:40Don't go anywhere
22:41I'm right back
22:42Have you ever had sex
22:43With him
22:44Like hell
22:44What do you mean like hell
22:46I've got rid of him once
22:47I ain't gonna go back to him
22:48I've got a load of them
22:49Yeah well where are they
22:51Where's your mates
22:52Not here
22:52Exactly
22:53I wish they won now
22:55I wish they
22:56Nobody wants to know
22:58Nobody wants to know
23:00Welcome back
23:09Now I'm looking back
23:10At some show highlights
23:12And I'm pretty sure
23:13You'll remember
23:13My next guest Darren
23:14He came to the show
23:16To confront ex-wife Karen
23:17He said she'd had
23:19A string of affairs
23:20During their marriage
23:21Including
23:21Check this
23:22His friend Jason
23:23Now Darren wanted
23:24To tell Jason
23:25That Karen had now
23:26Been sleeping with him
23:27Behind Jason's back
23:29It was a detailed story
23:30Take a look at this
23:31You were with Karen
23:33For six years
23:34Yeah
23:35Married for four
23:36No five
23:38And you split
23:39A couple of years ago
23:40The reason
23:41The primary reason
23:42Darren
23:42That you've come on this show
23:44Is what
23:44She's had an affair
23:45And she's accusing me
23:46For harassing her all the time
23:48And I ain't
23:49Let's just go back
23:50To why you and she split up
23:52Was Jason the reason
23:54Yes
23:55What happened
23:55Because she's seen him
23:56Jason for two years
23:57Behind your back
23:58Yeah
23:58Was she sleeping with him
23:59Yes
24:00You know that for a fact
24:01Not for a fact
24:03But when I went over
24:04One day early
24:05She was staying in his bedroom
24:07Upstairs in his bed
24:08You went home early one day
24:10Yeah
24:10My house
24:11I was over at my mum's
24:11Alright
24:12I went over there
24:13And she didn't go in the house
24:15All day and all night
24:16So she was around Jason's
24:18So you caught her
24:19With him
24:20Yeah in the house
24:21Did you split up with her
24:22Or did she split up with you
24:23She split up with me
24:25Why would it be that you would
24:27Catch her with another man
24:28And then she would split up
24:28With you
24:29Just out of interest
24:29Don't know
24:30Okay
24:30So you split up
24:32And what you're saying
24:32Today which is extraordinary
24:33And I need to understand
24:35Your motives
24:35Is that you've come on
24:37The Jeremy Kyle show
24:37To prove to the bloke
24:38That she ran off with
24:39After you
24:40That you've actually
24:41Been sleeping with her
24:42Behind his back
24:43And she's been
24:44Shooting on him
24:44Why would you give
24:45A damn
24:46I've just got evidence
24:48To prove it
24:49I'm not lying
24:50But why would it matter
24:51To you what she's like
24:52Seeing as how you
24:53And she ain't together anymore
24:54And she's now sleeping
24:55With your ex-mate
24:56Because I don't really
24:57Want it to happen to him
24:58Oh you still care
25:00About your ex-mate
25:01Yeah we're still friends
25:02We do talk
25:02He slept with your wife
25:04Yeah I know
25:04But you care about him
25:05Are you sure about that
25:08Yeah
25:08Now why have you been
25:10Sleeping with her then
25:11Because you want to
25:12Have sex with her
25:12Because you like the fact
25:14That she apparently
25:14Still finds you irresistible
25:16Or just to score
25:16She points over him
25:17What
25:18No because she's
25:19Sometimes she asks me
25:20And sometimes it just happened
25:22Sometimes she just asks me
25:24Right
25:24Now do you think
25:26That she's cheating
25:27On him with lots of people
25:28Or just you
25:29Just with me at the moment
25:30As far as I know
25:31But when you were together
25:33I know that you told
25:34The researchers
25:35That you found out
25:36Or you believed
25:37Or certainly it's been proven
25:38That actually she cheated
25:40On you quite a lot
25:41Who with
25:41Two guys over to Alfred
25:43Why wouldn't you at that point
25:45Walk out of the house
25:45Walk away from her
25:46Knowing exactly what she did
25:48I should have
25:49But I didn't
25:50I'll forgive her for that one
25:51I forgave her
25:52Are you in love with her
25:53Nope not now
25:54But it's now just sex
25:55At the time it was
25:57Yeah
25:57We don't
25:57I'm not getting it
25:58We're not doing it
25:59Oh so
25:59So you're not
26:00You're not
26:01You're not gonna
26:01Have sex with her ever again
26:03No
26:03Should we get her out
26:03Yeah
26:04Karen's on the show
26:05Ladies and gentlemen
26:05That way
26:06I've never heard so much
26:17In them all my life
26:19I shouldn't have even got with you
26:20Sorry Jeremy
26:21Oh here we go
26:23I'm sorry
26:24I can't be near you
26:25Well you were certainly closer to him before
26:26Not like how
26:27Yeah
26:28Let's just answer what Darren
26:30He says that he split with you two years ago
26:34Because he came home one day from his mother's
26:37And he caught you slipping out of Jason's house
26:40Like how
26:40I was there in Brandy's
26:41Because he lived next door
26:43Did you ever have sex with Jason before you finished with him
26:45No
26:46Never
26:46No
26:46Okay that's interesting
26:48In terms of the two men at the party
26:52They took you upstairs
26:54No
26:55To the front room
26:55No
26:56No
26:56No
26:56There was no
26:57Nothing went on there
26:58Why'd you go upstairs with two strangers
27:00I went to the toilet
27:01I didn't go upstairs with two strangers
27:03They were friends of
27:04Doesn't matter who they were friends with
27:06You didn't have sex with him
27:07No I did not have sex with nobody else
27:09Let's talk about since you got with Jason
27:11You in love with Jason
27:12Yeah
27:12You cheated on Jason
27:13No
27:14Have you ever had sex with him
27:16Like hell
27:16What do you mean like hell
27:18I got rid of him once
27:19I ain't gonna go back to him
27:20Really
27:21I'd rather go and sleep with a box
27:22You'd rather sleep with a box
27:27Yeah
27:28Interesting
27:29Hmm
27:30Might as well get how that would work
27:32Quite difficulty
27:33What?
27:33Quite difficulty
27:34Sometimes I sit here
27:41And I think I'm going to have a breakdown
27:42This morning might be one of those moments
27:45Are you and Jason tight?
27:46Yeah
27:46You and Jason are okay?
27:47Yeah
27:48You sure you're not still in love with her?
27:50Nope
27:50Let's get him out
27:52This is the ex-best friend
27:53Who rang off with her
27:54Two years ago
27:55This is Jason on the show
27:56Ladies and gentlemen
27:56You're the biggest
28:03Party's on the plate
28:05I knew about the party
28:06Right
28:06Because you told me
28:07Right
28:08Why don't you tell everybody
28:09Why you're stalking Karen
28:10Round the town
28:11Tapping her on the shoulder
28:12Waiting on the top of the street
28:14Putting notes at the door
28:15At just after midnight
28:16Like the other week
28:16When your mate left after you
28:18Because you told
28:18I'm just giving out for the walk
28:20I haven't had a sandwich
28:21You know
28:22You should start writing tales
28:24Because you make a great presenter
28:25I'm Jack and Ori, pal
28:26Get your facts out
28:27Is that all right?
28:29Okay
28:29What was there to say?
28:31No note to say?
28:31I'll tell you
28:32You know
28:32I'll tell you what it said
28:35Shall I?
28:35Go on
28:35Thanks for a lovely time
28:37The other week
28:38Signed capital J
28:39Make your
28:41You know something
28:41If you're going to post a note
28:42For the door
28:43Don't do it in your own
28:44Writing
28:44Karen was married
28:45It wasn't even my handwriting
28:46Oh so you know about it now
28:48Yeah
28:48I know
28:48Did you not know?
28:50No you didn't
28:51I knew about it
28:52I used to get from
28:53You were in prison
28:54No
28:54No it isn't
28:56That's totally
28:56All right
28:57I know who did that
28:58All right
28:59So who did he then?
29:00I'm not mentioning
29:00No names
29:01He wants to show you
29:02Hi
29:03Welcome to the show
29:04Actually I have a question for you
29:06Go on then
29:06Mr. Morrill
29:07Why would you
29:08Sorry
29:09Why would you jump into bed
29:10With your mate's wife?
29:12Did you have sex with her
29:13Before they split?
29:14About a week before
29:15You didn't say that
29:16Did you?
29:17No he did not
29:17He was a week after
29:19No
29:20He says you were
29:22Did you or didn't you?
29:23Yes
29:24I had a bit
29:25Yes
29:25But you didn't
29:26People don't know
29:27How he treated her
29:28Shut up
29:29You said
29:30You didn't have sex
29:32Before you left
29:32Him
29:33What's the truth?
29:34Come on
29:36I can't remember now
29:37Yes
29:39Yes we did
29:40I apologize
29:40Yes we did
29:41So in fact
29:42You two cheated on him
29:43It's about a week before
29:44Yes
29:45But nothing up to that
29:46You crossed a line
29:47Of a friend
29:47Yeah
29:48I don't class him
29:49As a friend
29:49Now he's saying
29:50What he says
29:51You're a good friend
29:52And now he wants you
29:52To know that she's
29:53This that and the other
29:54Do you believe that?
29:55No
29:55Why?
29:56Because I know
29:57I know of his reputation
29:58Yeah but you know
29:59What she's capable of
29:59Yeah I know what she's capable of
30:01What is she capable of?
30:02What people say
30:03I know what she's like
30:04She has a reputation
30:06So why are you so damn sure
30:07She's not going to do to you
30:08What she did to him
30:09I'm not so sure
30:09Well then maybe she is
30:11Having sex with him
30:11I doubt it
30:13I trust Karen
30:14Well you've gone from
30:14No she's not to
30:15I doubt it
30:16That didn't take long did it?
30:17I trust Karen 150%
30:18People don't know
30:19How he treated her
30:20But you slept with his brother
30:22You slept with his mate
30:23You slept with your mate
30:24Who?
30:26One of them
30:27I don't know what one
30:28I'm not being honest
30:29Oh so hang on a minute
30:29I slept with your mate
30:30But you don't know what one
30:31You've got to know
30:32Who he's just mate
30:33I've got a load of them
30:34Yeah well where are they?
30:36Where's your mate?
30:37I'm not here
30:37Exactly
30:38I wish they was
30:39I wish they
30:40Nobody wants to know
30:42Nobody wants to know
30:45You're about as
30:46You're about as popular as I am
30:49With a bleeding
30:49I am going to say
30:51Because I'm worth repeating
30:52It's undefeatable
30:54What?
30:55You're about as possible
30:57At the moment
30:59Right
30:59So what do you
31:01Just tell people the truth
31:02And what you're like
31:03What if he is
31:04Just out of interest
31:05Just calmly think
31:07This woman
31:07Has done his mate
31:09What if
31:10I want to know
31:12Who his mate is
31:12Jason
31:13Oh
31:14Well
31:15Well
31:15Well
31:16Well then his mate
31:17Is somebody in the street
31:24I said hello to
31:25And that was it
31:26Right
31:28Let's get back to it
31:29Very calmly
31:30Let's just imagine
31:30That he's telling the truth
31:32Yeah
31:33Where does that leave you with her
31:34Because you admit
31:36Very honestly
31:36That she has a reputation
31:37You admit
31:38That you got together
31:40You told us the truth
31:40As she fair played to you
31:41That you'd had sex
31:42With her
31:43Before she split
31:44With Darren
31:45Doesn't that make you feel insecure?
31:46No
31:46I'll stand by Karen
31:48At the end of the day
31:49Well join the queue
31:50I'll stand by Karen
31:52110%
31:53I know what he's like
31:55He's a sick
31:57Pervert
31:58Who needs serious
31:59Psychological help
32:00This is the person
32:03This is the person
32:03Who gets his kicks
32:04By making
32:05So you think
32:06That she's
32:07In terms of your relationship
32:09She's confident
32:11You're confident
32:12That she can stay faithful
32:13To you
32:13Yes
32:13What about
32:15When she went over
32:15Used to go
32:16When she said
32:17She'd gone up her
32:18And she was over
32:20Telford
32:20She hasn't been
32:22In over 18 months
32:24Next question
32:26When she did
32:27And when she did
32:29Then she went up my brothers
32:30With me
32:33In a couple of months
32:35And when she's gone over
32:36To her mum's grave
32:37And she's like
32:37I've gone with her
32:38So how the hell
32:39Has she gone
32:40Not all the time
32:41To over to Telford
32:42To see you and your brother
32:43So how did she go
32:43To my kid's grave
32:44Come on
32:45She hasn't been over
32:46Yes she has
32:47I've never been to your kid's grave
32:48Excuse my language
32:50Sorry
32:51She's been over there
32:52More than once
32:54I don't think so
32:55You are convinced
32:56Yes
32:56That he
32:57Right
32:58Is playing some sort of game
33:00Some mind game
33:01Yes
33:01So
33:02What he hasn't said to people
33:03Was
33:03About a month back
33:05Was he
33:05Something like that
33:06She doesn't know yet
33:07Because she hasn't told her
33:08What you're going to say
33:08She went up to him
33:09Right
33:10Shopping
33:11Right
33:11He followed her
33:13Caused a scene
33:14Round the shops
33:15Did he
33:15I only know
33:16Because I had a phone call
33:17Off one of my mates
33:18Saying
33:18Do you know
33:19Karen's ex
33:20Is harassing Karen
33:21Is causing a scene
33:22Is that true
33:23No
33:24Marks and Spencers
33:25W.A. Smith
33:26Mark
33:27The card shop
33:28Don't sit down
33:29Call me a liar
33:30You know what
33:30We're going around in circles
33:32You don't want to be with
33:33I don't want to be him
33:34I don't even want to look at him
33:35You don't believe it's a photograph
33:36So you go that way
33:37With your grubby little pictures
33:39And if I was you
33:40I'd get rid of them
33:40And you two go that way
33:41And that's the answer
33:42Isn't it
33:42But I think you're jealous
33:43No I'm not
33:44Don't contact each other
33:45Now since their appearance
33:47On the show
33:48I've been in contact
33:49With Darren
33:49Karen and Jason
33:50This is what
33:51Karen and Jason said
33:52Darren is still pestering us
33:54Jez
33:54But we don't want to know him
33:55And so we ignore him
33:57We will still see him around
33:58But we keep the peace
33:59And things are improving
34:00We are very very happy together
34:03Darren says
34:04Since the show
34:05Karen has been in contact
34:06She's asked me to meet up
34:07And is always coming round my house
34:09I've tried to tell her to stay away
34:10But she doesn't seem to listen
34:12I'm doing my best
34:13To distance myself
34:14From Karen and Jason
34:15And focusing on getting on
34:17With my life
34:18You know sometimes
34:18The only way to resolve problems
34:20Is to move on
34:21And cut all contact
34:22I always say that
34:23So for all of them
34:24The very best in the future
34:25Now after this break
34:27The woman here to confront
34:27Her boyfriend's ex
34:29Do not go anywhere
34:29You don't want to miss it
34:30I'm right back
34:31Why do you try and entice him
34:33With potted meat?
34:34He likes his sandwiches
34:35Yeah so why buy him stuff?
34:37So do you buy him potted meat?
34:39Yeah
34:39She's a liar
34:40Don't leave all she says
34:41Me and her history
34:43I've got
34:43She says you've been with me
34:44While I've been on holiday
34:45And have you made a gay man
34:46Do a lie to sexist
34:48Do a test
34:49Welcome back
35:19Now today I'm revisiting
35:20Some of my most memorable shows
35:22From 2011
35:23And you might just remember
35:25My next guest Sarah
35:26She came to the show
35:26With partner Mark
35:28To confront his ex-girlfriend
35:30Donna
35:30Whom she claimed
35:31Was constantly interfering
35:32And causing problems
35:33In their relationship
35:34Adamant she wasn't
35:36Going to let Donna
35:36Come between her and Mark
35:37Sarah wanted to tell her
35:39To leave them alone for good
35:41Take a look at this
35:42How long have you been with Mark?
35:44Six years
35:44Six years
35:45Engaged
35:46Yes
35:46I've had a new baby
35:48Four month old baby
35:49Lovely
35:49Having a baby
35:51I thought it'd just
35:52Back off a bit
35:53But she's
35:53Won't leave me alone
35:55You had a baby
35:56With your boyfriend
35:57To prove to his ex
35:58He's with you
35:58What does that mean?
36:00That she'd just move on
36:01With someone else
36:02But she says
36:03She doesn't want him
36:03A bloke
36:04She's on a dating agency
36:06But she still doesn't
36:07Want to leave him alone
36:08You had a baby
36:09To prove to her
36:10That you and he
36:11Were serious
36:11And is that the right
36:13Reason to have a kid?
36:14I wanted one
36:15But I thought
36:17By having one then
36:18It'd just
36:18By
36:19Let's talk about the truth
36:20Dear sweet Sarah
36:21When you met Mark
36:23Was he single?
36:24No
36:25Is there any part of you
36:28Whilst you're doing that
36:29That feels bad about it?
36:30I do
36:30Of course
36:31He's got
36:31Kids
36:32But I'm not
36:34It won't never work
36:35Yeah
36:36But why don't you say to him
36:37I understand it's over
36:38But I ain't getting with you
36:39Until you finish with her
36:40Because that's the right way
36:41To behave
36:42Because that's what he said
36:43He was going to do
36:43So you just kept sleeping with him?
36:46Yeah
36:46But he did eventually leave her
36:47Didn't he?
36:47Yeah because I said
36:48It would have in me
36:48And he got with you
36:51And you're saying today
36:52She cannot accept it's over
36:54She is jealous
36:55She is bitter
36:56She's making all sorts of accusations
36:58What's she been saying?
36:59She just buys him things
37:01Like
37:01Potted meat
37:02She'll
37:06She just buys him things
37:09Like potted
37:10What the hell's potted meat?
37:12It's like beef spread
37:13For sandwiches
37:13Beef spread?
37:15It's like she'll buy him
37:16A packet of chris
37:17Or some lucaside
37:18Sorry sorry sorry
37:18And a packet of chris
37:20And some lucaside
37:20What a way to turn somebody
37:22Back towards you
37:23Hey darling
37:24I want you back
37:24Have some potted meat
37:25And a bottle of lucaside
37:26What in the name of God
37:30Are you talking about?
37:31Yeah
37:32Why would a tin of potted meat
37:33Bring him back to her?
37:34Because that's what she'd think
37:35Buy him a potted potted meat
37:37Does he like potted meat?
37:39Yeah he has only snap for work
37:40She thinks that she'll get him back
37:45By buying him potted meat
37:46Yeah I told her
37:47It's over
37:47He's even told her herself
37:48But she won't listen
37:50She just keeps coming down
37:51This is very important
37:53You and he had a row
37:54And you went off on holiday
37:57Didn't you?
37:57Yes
37:58I wanted a break
37:59When you came back from the holiday
38:00On a serious note
38:02You were pregnant
38:02But I didn't know
38:03I went on holiday
38:07And I didn't feel well
38:08Right
38:09I never drunk for two weeks
38:10I came back and I thought
38:12Because I won't keep my food down
38:13So I thought
38:14Potted meat
38:14I need to do a test
38:17Which I did a test
38:18Yeah
38:18And I was pregnant
38:19Okay
38:19You say on a serious note
38:22This woman is jealous
38:23This woman is bitter
38:24She will do anything
38:26To get this guy back
38:27My question is simple
38:28Why wouldn't he just say get lost?
38:30Is it difficult
38:30Because he has to go and see the kids
38:31And you think she's using that?
38:33Yeah but it's now
38:33He gets to the stage
38:34Where he doesn't go to the house
38:35He has to meet her at test schools
38:36Because he's telling her friends and family that
38:40That's
38:40He comes to see her
38:41Not kids
38:42And doesn't she also tell people
38:44That when he goes round to see the kids
38:45They have sex
38:46Well yeah
38:47Not in my eyes
38:48But like she's saying
38:49He doesn't come to see kids
38:51You don't believe what she says?
38:52No
38:53He believes the baby's his
38:55He and you are absolutely tight
38:57But she's just this irritant
38:59You've had a baby
39:00To prove
39:01Why you wanted a baby
39:02But to prove to her
39:02That you know
39:03He's serious
39:03He's my man
39:04She's throwing out accusations
39:06The kid's not yours
39:07He comes round to see the kids
39:09He wants sex with me
39:10You say it's ridiculous
39:11She'd do anything to get him back
39:13What do you make of this woman?
39:14What do you think of her?
39:15I can't stand her
39:16She's not but a dirty person
39:17A dirty person?
39:18What do you mean by that?
39:19Because she never gets a bath
39:21I can't stand her
39:22I have to point out
39:24That we're not doing
39:24A lie detector of DNA
39:25On this bit
39:26Because you and Mark
39:27Have no doubts
39:28You're very confident
39:29That the child and everything
39:30It's just basically
39:31That these accusations
39:32Keep coming from this woman
39:34And you want her
39:34Out of your face
39:35Yes I just want her
39:37To drop the kids off
39:38And just go
39:38She's quite interesting
39:40She says that
39:41It's all about him and her
39:45And that you're just
39:46You know
39:46You stir things up
39:48I think she truly believes
39:49That he wants to be with her
39:50No he keeps telling her
39:52He doesn't want her back
39:52But she won't listen
39:53It's been six years
39:55Shall we bring her out?
39:56Bring her out yeah
39:57But make sure you sit her up there
39:58Donna's on the show
39:59Ladies and gentlemen
39:59Oh you never tell me the truth
40:12What?
40:13Your bare fairs lie
40:14It comes to you
40:15It comes to me
40:15It comes to you
40:16No he never wanted you
40:18Because you cheated on him
40:19Come back with that
40:21You cheated on me
40:22Don't even start
40:23He cheated on me
40:23So you cheated on him
40:26He cheated back on you
40:27Are you still
40:28By the way
40:28Are you still having
40:29Welcome to the show
40:29Are you still having sex with Mark?
40:31No
40:31I don't want him
40:32She tells you that
40:33I don't want Mark
40:33I don't want him back
40:35Why?
40:36Tell everybody then
40:36I don't want him
40:37You tell everybody that
40:38You want him back
40:39It's the fact of my daughter
40:39I do not want Mark back
40:42Why tell him that my son
40:43I do not want Mark back
40:45Get a girl
40:46Only person I want
40:47Is my two kids and myself
40:48To get on with my life
40:49You've got Mark
40:50And you've got that bad baby
40:51Yeah
40:51You said you want him
40:53Why do you make accusations
40:54That that baby isn't
40:55I don't know if it is or not
40:57What's he gonna
40:57Where'd you get that from?
40:59I've never slept with no one else
41:00I'm not a dirty person like you
41:02I don't want him
41:03I've been sleeping with a gay bloke
41:06When you were on holiday
41:07I wasn't even with a gay bloke
41:09Well that's what everyone's been telling me
41:10What was it like when you just go
41:11What was it like
41:13You seem to have no ability to understand what you did
41:15You had sex with her man behind her back
41:17And you walk around as bold as brass about that
41:19Because she just needs to move on
41:20It's six years
41:21He says you're dirty
41:22I'm not dirty
41:23I'm not dirty
41:23Where am I dirty?
41:24Why are you dirty?
41:26Because you're
41:26Where am I dirty?
41:27Yeah, because you've come on today
41:28That's why
41:29Yeah, because a text message from you and Mark
41:31Saying come on the show
41:32Or I'll beat you up
41:33No
41:33Stay away from me
41:34You said you want to even come in
41:36I stay away from Kirby for you and Mark
41:38Because you're getting on me all life
41:39I go to Kirby for one reason
41:41Yeah, and you come down
41:42To Mark's mom and dad's room
41:43And take money off a bloke
41:44No, I do not
41:45Don't lie
41:46Do not
41:46Do you get
41:47What sort of involvement do you have with Mark?
41:49He comes to see the kids
41:50Does he ever try on with you?
41:51No
41:51Does he ever say
41:52He and Sarah aren't going well
41:54And he'd rather be back with you?
41:55No
41:56I don't want him back
41:57I don't want him
41:58Why are you a barefaced liar?
41:59I don't want Mark
42:02That's what he sent me a message about
42:04Three, four years ago
42:05Saying I want Mark back
42:06What did he say?
42:07You said he was your daughter
42:09No, you said he was
42:10What sent it
42:12Don't lie
42:12You could argue that you're just insecure
42:15Because you know exactly what he's capable of
42:17Because you did the dirty behind her
42:18Back with him
42:19That's what you could say about this story
42:20Yeah, because she's done dirty
42:22And then phoning him up
42:22You don't care at all what you did, do you?
42:25Do you have any doubt?
42:26I mean, I can't wait to meet the bloke
42:27He's quite obviously got it all, hasn't he?
42:29Really?
42:29He's got women fighting on
42:30Offering him
42:31By the way, why do you try and entice him
42:33With potted meat?
42:35He likes his sandwiches
42:36Yeah, so why buy him stuff?
42:38So do you buy him potted meat?
42:40Yeah
42:40Yeah
42:40For when he was to
42:41The risk of wanting to try and stay sane
42:44Isn't that her place now?
42:45Do you think like that, my potted meat?
42:47Bloody meat
42:48My son likes it as well, so what?
42:49What?
42:50My son likes it
42:50That's the HQ
42:51I'm not bothered about the potted meat
42:53I'm trying to say
42:55If you're not interested
42:57Why are you doing these things for him?
43:00I don't know
43:00You still love him, don't you?
43:01Because she won't move on
43:02I don't want him
43:02She comes to his
43:03You do it to annoy her because she did
43:05Be honest
43:06Be honestly, I don't want him back
43:07Do you do it to annoy her though?
43:09Yeah, bare face liar
43:10You come round here
43:12And he goes to the back door to cut his nails
43:13And you go follow him
43:14No, don't
43:15Don't lie
43:16At some point when he was with Sarah
43:18At some point when he was with Sarah
43:20You were having sex behind their back, weren't you?
43:21Behind her back
43:22Which one heart did
43:23So, so, so let me get this right
43:25He's with Donna
43:26And then he's sleeping with you behind her back
43:29And then when you went off
43:30And a half on holiday
43:30With or without a gay man
43:31For whatever reason
43:32He was having sex with you
43:33Is that right?
43:34I don't even know where a gay man is
43:35This guy must be special
43:36Let's get him out
43:36This is Mark on the show
43:37Ladies and gentlemen
43:38You make me sick
43:50You make me sick
43:52No
43:54No, she says
43:55Welcome to the Jeremy Kyle show
43:57What's going on?
43:59Look, she's a liar
44:00Don't believe all she says
44:01Me and her history
44:03I've got
44:03She says you've been with her while on holiday
44:05And have you made a gay man
44:06Do a lie to sex with her
44:08Do a test
44:09I don't think you need to lie
44:10You need to lie to sex with her
44:11You need to lie to sex with her
44:11Stop lying
44:12I am not lying
44:13Interestingly we offered that
44:14I thought we offered you a lie detector
44:17But you refused to do that
44:18Because I trust him
44:19But I never trust her
44:20So, I don't think
44:21Because you can't
44:22You're barefaced liar
44:23But you've done it
44:24Let her prove it
44:25You've done it before
44:26You did it with her, didn't you?
44:27How do we know you haven't done exactly the same to Sarah
44:30As you did to Donna
44:31Go on
44:31That was the end of our relationship
44:34We wasn't sleeping together
44:34Three or four months behind her back
44:37Why didn't you leave?
44:38She used it to me
44:38What?
44:39She would win it to me
44:40She was sleeping about behind me back
44:44She moved in with me
44:48I was going to 40pm
44:50I'm working
44:51When she went on holiday
44:53After you did a row
44:53Did you have sex with her?
44:54No
44:55So why wouldn't you do a lie detector
44:56To prove that?
44:57Because I don't need to
44:57I don't believe in him
44:58What's about the time you did then?
45:00Well, what's my choice?
45:01You're lying all the time
45:02You're telling people
45:03Just do one and prove it then
45:04I'm tested on it
45:05Why?
45:06You know you want me back
45:07But I'm not interested
45:08I don't want you back
45:08I don't care
45:09I don't care
45:09I don't care
45:09I don't care
45:10You've got some friends
45:12I don't want no one
45:13Tell everybody in this audience
45:15Right that you're lying
45:16Because you're a barefaced liar
45:17I'm not lying
45:18All I want
45:19Is to see me kids
45:20Be there for them
45:21You told my researchers
45:23Donna tells me all the time
45:24She still loves me
45:25I think she wants me back
45:26I do not want you back
45:27You told me a long time
45:28I do not want you back
45:30I loved you once
45:31And where did you go?
45:32You're stalking
45:33Not to me
45:34You're stalking
45:35Because you were
45:35We got engaged
45:36We had an engagement party
45:37Where were we?
45:38Where were we?
45:39No, where were we?
45:40How is this going to work
45:41If this guy
45:42Be quiet everybody instantly
45:44Is going to have a relationship
45:45With his child
45:45How the hell is this going to work?
45:47I don't know
45:48I just want him to leave me alone
45:49Let me in the eyes a minute
45:50You sure you're not still in love with him?
45:51I don't want him
45:52She won't tell you the truth
45:53I do not want him back
45:54You've said that 113 times
45:56She won't listen
45:57I do not want him back
45:58Is there any part of you, Sarah
46:00That feels insecure about him?
46:02No
46:02How do we know you won't do to her
46:03What you did to her?
46:04I love Sarah
46:04I'm planning on marrying her
46:06Are you?
46:07Yeah
46:07A lovely thought that is, isn't it?
46:08It is
46:09That's why we brought me on here
46:10She'll be outside
46:11Registered office waiting
46:12Here's the next thing
46:14And I have to say this to you
46:16Because I read this earlier
46:16If you are, as you say
46:18Ready to move on
46:19You're over this
46:20You don't want to know
46:20Why do you turn up at the family parties?
46:22Why do you get involved?
46:24Why are you so in their face?
46:25I'm not in their family
46:26What?
46:27I'm not in their family parties
46:28You do
46:28You come down and fetch kids
46:29Do you accept you're no longer part of this family?
46:31Do you accept that Mark doesn't want to be back with you?
46:34Yeah
46:34I don't want to back
46:34So we need to rearrange how this child is sorted
46:36In terms of picked up and whatever
46:38You have no doubts about him
46:40You don't think he'll do to you
46:41What you two did to her?
46:43No
46:43You're very super confident, aren't you?
46:44Yep
46:45I hope you never meet somebody after he's met you
46:47Because you might get exactly the same
46:48So you'll never meet no one else
46:49What is it about you
46:50I don't want no one else
46:51What is it about you?
46:53Because you love this, don't you?
46:55No
46:55I'm happy with me
46:56No
46:56You love there's two women in fighting
46:58No, I don't
46:59I just want to be with me family
47:03I've got an old baby
47:04And my partner here
47:07That's all I want
47:08It's become a thing, hasn't it?
47:09You lot are arguing
47:10Everybody should move on
47:11You should move on
47:12We should arrange stuff in terms of the child
47:15The two of you shouldn't have contact
47:16You two certainly don't need any contact
47:17Get on with your lives
47:18So why do I keep texting stuff if you are to?
47:21I got one yesterday
47:22Yeah, you got one yesterday
47:23Because what did you say?
47:24I'm not going to the show
47:25But you've just admitted to me
47:27I didn't want to come here
47:27They asked you if you would like to come on
47:29Jenny McHale
47:29You should have said no then
47:31It's right
47:31You ain't got...
47:33I'd like to come on here for
47:35What we're going to do is
47:36We're going to sort this out in aftercare
47:38This is genuinely true
47:39We're going to sort out arrangements for the child
47:41With these two without you
47:43Is that all right?
47:44Yeah?
47:45Yeah
47:45Now I've recently been in contact with Donna and Mark
47:49And this is what they told us
47:50Donna says that Sarah has still been giving me grief
47:52And to be honest, I think she's jealous
47:53I'm doing my best to ignore her, Jez
47:55Myself and Mark are getting on fine
47:57And we're coming to an agreement for him to see our daughter
47:59I don't have any feelings for him
48:01I just want him to be there for our child
48:03Mark, on the other hand, says
48:05Mine and Sarah's relationship is going from strength to strength
48:08Since the show
48:09Donna is still spreading rumours
48:10And I think she's trying to split us up
48:12And she's being awkward about access to my daughter
48:15Myself and Sarah are getting on with our lives
48:18And obviously doing the best for our son
48:20Now I hope over time they can resolve their differences
48:22As ever, always say it
48:24For the sake of the children involved
48:26I am for this morning out of time
48:28But don't forget
48:29Brand new shows start next week on our brand new set
48:32Thank you for watching
48:32I'll see you soon
48:33Bye bye for now
49:03Bye bye for now
49:05Bye bye for now