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- Aniqa Nisar
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- Awais Ahmad Khan Leghari (Federal Minister of Energy)
- Senator Syed Ali Zafar PTI
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:11I am Anika Nisar.
00:13This is the first program after Eid.
00:15And the day after Eid, the political and economic upheavals,
00:19which usually come on Eid,
00:22we did not see any upheavals for a week.
00:24The issues started yesterday.
00:26There was a shortage of electricity.
00:28And now at this time,
00:30about 100 units are used.
00:34For them, there is a shortage of 6 rupees per unit.
00:37Along with this, the matter of privatizing discos
00:40and other things are also in the line.
00:43This means that to solve the matter of IPPs,
00:47the matter of electricity prices,
00:49the government is very serious at this time.
00:51But how will the government solve the issues
00:54when their allies repeatedly
00:56with their many decisions,
00:58are seen to be angry and upset.
01:00A little while ago, you must be listening to Bilawul Bhutto Zardari.
01:03He is very upset about the fact
01:07that the Cholistan Canal or any canal,
01:10for that matter, should be built.
01:12He has put a slogan today.
01:14Because today is Bhutto's birthday.
01:17It is an important day.
01:18And on this important day,
01:20a convention is held today
01:22which is held every year
01:23in reference to the Pakistan People's Party.
01:25So listen to what he said in it.
01:52This is a matter of the canal.
02:18On the other hand,
02:19unfortunately,
02:20this year,
02:21every province will have to face
02:23a severe shortage of water.
02:25Then the question arises,
02:27that the political campaign
02:29that is carried out on the dams,
02:31is it right or not?
02:33Is it a common friend or not?
02:35This question can also be raised,
02:37that what would have happened
02:39if the Kalabagh Dam was built today?
02:41Would this shortage have to be faced today
02:43or not?
02:45There are a lot of questions.
02:47There are a lot of arguments for both sides.
02:49But there is one more argument.
02:51Because it is a matter of fair distribution.
02:53On the other hand,
02:54KPK says that fair distribution
02:56is not part of the budget.
02:58Under the NFC awards,
03:00KPK should be given its dues.
03:02And all of their hopes at this time
03:04are tied to President Asif Ali Zardari.
03:08And today,
03:10I will tell you a short story.
03:12In it, Ali Amin Gandapur
03:14prayed for the health of Asif Ali Zardari.
03:17He also said that
03:19if the issue of NFC awards
03:21is not solved in April,
03:23then what will happen?
03:47I will take the police,
03:48the administration,
03:49the government officials,
03:50everyone.
03:51If I do not get this right,
03:52then I will show that my province,
03:53my people are so weak
03:54and not so helpless
03:55that they cannot take their right.
03:57It is a very strange thing
03:58about the CM.
03:59First of all,
04:00legally,
04:01all the government officials
04:02are not allowed
04:03or their families are not allowed
04:05to take part in any political campaign.
04:08Second,
04:09this is the province,
04:10KPK is the province
04:11that is going through terrorism
04:12at this time.
04:13That and Balochistan.
04:14Today, there was a conference
04:15and in that conference,
04:16once again it was said
04:17about terrorism
04:18that we have to be
04:19war prepared.
04:20Second,
04:21any person
04:22of Balochistan,
04:23whether a foreigner
04:24or an Indian person,
04:25will not be allowed
04:26to interfere in the peace
04:27of Balochistan.
04:28And apart from this,
04:29obviously,
04:30the illegal economic issues
04:31are also discussed
04:32in the core commander conference
04:33today.
04:34So,
04:35how will this
04:36whole matter work,
04:37that is important.
04:38But,
04:39at this time,
04:40if not any time else,
04:41the government
04:42needs its allies
04:43the most.
04:44Thank you very much
04:45for joining me
04:46in the program.
04:47Mr. Shah,
04:48this matter
04:49has been going on
04:50for at least
04:51two months.
04:52But,
04:53PMI line
04:54repeatedly says
04:55that last year,
04:56on July 8,
04:572024,
04:58the president
04:59signed on
05:00the canal project.
05:01Was he right
05:02at that time
05:03and now
05:04he is wrong?
05:05Or was he wrong
05:06at that time
05:07and now
05:08what you are
05:09saying
05:10is right?
05:11So,
05:12after signing
05:13on the canal
05:14project,
05:15why did the
05:16Pakistan People's
05:17Party
05:18suddenly remember
05:19that this is
05:20a mistake?
05:21In the name
05:22of Allah,
05:23the Beneficent,
05:24the Merciful.
05:25Allahumma
05:26salli ala Muhammad
05:27wa ala Muhammad.
05:28Look,
05:29the Pakistan People's
05:30Party
05:31does not remember
05:32from now on.
05:33In fact,
05:34when the
05:35caretaker
05:36government
05:37was in the
05:38period of
05:39caretaker
05:40government,
05:41when
05:42it was
05:43in the
05:44period of
05:45caretaker
05:46government,
05:47the
05:48chief minister
05:49at that
05:50time
05:51wrote a
05:52letter
05:53against
05:54this.
05:55And
05:56then
05:57when the
05:58government
05:59was
06:00formed,
06:01the
06:02Sindh
06:03Government,
06:04the
06:05Pakistan
06:06People's
06:07Party
06:08government,
06:09then
06:10CM
06:11figures have been given, numbers have been given, which are completely wrong
06:16and it should be stopped immediately.
06:19And then after that, 12 letters were written to the Federal Government
06:24to call for a CCI meeting, in which it should be brought under discussion
06:29because this is very unfair and this project should not be made.
06:34And what you are talking about Sadr Sahib, this is after that.
06:41This is mentioned on July 8.
06:44But at that time, different projects from the SIFC and the Federal Government
06:50were said that this is a green initiative and it will be done in that way.
07:00So the President of Pakistan, for the People's Party, he has everything
07:05as Asif Ali Zardari.
07:07But legally, he does not have the power to accept any project.
07:13Yes, the bills that go to him, approved by the Assembly,
07:18he accepts them, but not the rest.
07:22So when all these different projects were brought to him,
07:25he said okay, and you send them to the provinces.
07:28This is not approval, this is a misperception.
07:32This is a wrong statement that President Asif Ali Zardari approved it at that time
07:37and now he is in the pressure of someone else and now he is opposing it.
07:42So I want to know, for clarification's sake,
07:45that at that time, were there no signatures on the Green Pakistan Initiative
07:49by Asif Zardari?
07:50Number 1.
07:51Number 2.
07:52Was there a misunderstanding at that time?
07:54Was there a mistake?
07:57There was no mistake or misunderstanding.
08:01Different projects were brought and briefed to the President,
08:05who said, okay, send them to the provinces.
08:08This is the job of the provinces.
08:10After the President, let me clarify again,
08:13Asif Ali Zardari has a lot for the People's Party,
08:19but as a President, he does not have the power to approve anything.
08:24He has not approved anything.
08:26He has brought different projects from different provinces.
08:30This was not a single project that was discussed with him,
08:35and he said, yes, let's do it, and this is very good.
08:38Mr. Shah, there was a press release from the Presidency, right?
08:43Yes, what was the press release about?
08:45Please look at it.
08:46Yes, I will look at it and tell you.
08:47Yes, I approve it and this is a very good project.
08:49Yes.
08:51No, your voice has been cut off, Mr. Shah.
08:55Could you repeat?
08:58Hello?
08:59Yes, Mr. Shah, I can hear your voice now.
09:03Hello?
09:04Yes, Mr. Shah, I can hear your voice.
09:06Please continue.
09:07Yes, I am saying that there is nothing like this that has been approved.
09:13And this is on record.
09:15Okay, so Mr. Shah, now tell me, what next?
09:17Because the government wants the Green Pakistan Initiative to be taken forward,
09:22including the canal.
09:23And you are a part of the government, and you say that we are not a part of the government.
09:28Because at this time, the primary positions are basically with the People's Party.
09:32And in one province, you are the government, and in the other province, you are the government.
09:38So, being a part of the government or not, being angry with the government or not,
09:43will this become a cause for separation from the government in the coming days?
09:49Because at this time, who wants to destabilize the government?
10:00The government should be destabilized.
10:03You don't want to be a part of the government.
10:09Mr. Nasir, there is a distortion in your voice.
10:11I will try to get you connected again.
10:13But at this time, the biggest tension is created because the Pakistan People's Party
10:17is repeatedly clarifying Mr. Asif Zardari's statement that there was no approval.
10:23You have heard Mr. Nasir Hussain Shah's statement.
10:25Before this, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has also said that there is no approval.
10:29This is a matter of further discussion.
10:32But for me, the cause of concern at this time, or for any Pakistani,
10:36is that the shortage of water for a normal farmer is very severe at this time.
10:42And in such a situation, will we put Pakistan's water in the sea or not?
10:48Has a connection been established with Nasir Hussain Shah?
10:50As soon as the connection with Nasir Hussain Shah is re-established, we will not talk to that question.
10:55Because at one time, we did not make a dam.
10:58And because of not making a dam, unfortunately, the water reservoirs in Pakistan
11:02could not be increased as much as they should have been.
11:06Look at China, look at India.
11:08There are dams and we have not been able to use our water in that way.
11:13Many experts say that instead of dams, aquifers should be used.
11:17Underwater reservoirs should be recharged.
11:22And the alluvial soil that gets stuck in the dams should be allowed to flow
11:27so that the demand for water increases.
11:29But at the same time, there is also an issue of emergency water reservoirs.
11:33And at the same time, there is also a problem of cash.
11:35In the Green Pakistan Initiative, especially in the Sahara,
11:39there has been a lot of talk about greening it.
11:43Especially since the last two years, when there is a caretaker set-up,
11:47it is moving forward very fast.
11:49There is water up to the aquifers.
11:53But the places where the soil is aquifer, but there is no water,
11:57to ensure the food security of the country, water is being delivered to those places.
12:02Will the government and the Pakistan People's Party be able to come to this matter at one point in time?
12:10We have not yet established contact with Nasir Hussain Shah.
12:14But there is another issue that I want to discuss after the break.
12:17There is a demand for IPPs.
12:21On one hand, there is the power sector and on the other hand, there is the issue of water reservoirs.
12:25And both of these things can be made from the dams and can also move forward.
12:28So there they say that all the IPPs should be forensic audited.
12:34In this, the government of PTI, the government of the People's Party, the government of PMLN,
12:38all these governments have spent their time and term.
12:42Why has no one seen this? Listen.
12:44All the governments that have existed, all these governments have provided blood-sucking IPPs with support.
12:50I request Mr. Shahbaz Sharif to conduct a forensic audit.
12:54It is not just that Rs 7.41 has been reduced or Rs 7.69 has been reduced.
12:59The fact is that all the people who have played this game with Pakistan,
13:03all of them will have to be brought before the people.
13:06This will be a forensic audit and everyone will come to know.
13:09Since the government has come, it has been doing a lot of work on IPPs.
13:13China has also gone.
13:14I have also spoken to the owners of the IPPs here so that this release can be given in some way.
13:20But on the matter of IPPs, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif is saying something.
13:24I will make you listen to that in a while.
13:25Nasir Hussain Shah is with us again.
13:28Mr. Shah, can you hear me clearly now?
13:30Yes, yes, I can hear you.
13:31Actually, people are still there.
13:35So there must be a little disturbance.
13:37It's understandable.
13:38I was in Khudabaksh on 4th April.
13:41It's understandable, Mr. Shah.
13:42But just tell me that the government has been saying for a long time.
13:45I was also told by Mr. Rana Sanaullah that there will be an Iftari.
13:49The Pakistan People's Party will sit.
13:51PMLN will sit.
13:52We will solve the matter among ourselves.
13:53We are allies.
13:54We have to move forward together.
13:56So you were saying, who wants to destabilize the government?
14:00So who wants to do it?
14:01Yes, I am coming to that.
14:03We also understand that PMLN will make a positive decision in this.
14:11And they understand that the entire Sindh is in full protest.
14:14And the People's Party is also opposing these canals that are being built on the river Sindh.
14:20So they will take back this decision.
14:23And I am very hopeful.
14:25The second thing I was saying was that you were saying that you are supporting the government.
14:30So the sin of the People's Party is to say that Pakistan is more important to us than anyone else.
14:37Parliament, democracy and the people.
14:39We supported the formation of the PMLN government only because we were the parliament at that time.
14:46And if this formation had not been there, then it would have been a matter of new elections.
14:51And there was no possibility that there would be an election on the 60th or 90th day.
14:56Or then we would have to wait for years.
14:59Despite that, this current setup, in which obviously we are not in the executive.
15:05We do have ceremonial offices.
15:08But they are going in the right direction.
15:10If you look at their other work, we had left the default.
15:14Now we are going towards betterment.
15:16A very good investment is coming.
15:18And recently there has been a shortage of electricity.
15:22There will be less inflation.
15:24There will be less unemployment.
15:25When there will be more investment.
15:27So to destabilize it or to remove the government, the opposition must be wanting to remove it.
15:32But you are not moving to the side, Mr. Ishaan.
15:34You have confirmed this then.
15:35We want the government to continue.
15:38But these things are very important in it.
15:41Right.
16:05That's a very interesting take.
16:08Right.
16:09Mr. Nassar, we will continue this discussion in the coming days.
16:13As soon as we see a solution.
16:15But now I have to go towards the break.
16:16Thank you very much, Mr. Ishaan.
16:17We will go towards the break.
16:18We will come back after the break.
16:19After that we will talk about electricity.
16:21See you after the break.
16:26Welcome back after the break.
16:27Before the break, we were trying to solve the issues between the governments.
16:31But the first priority for the government is to improve the situation of the people of Pakistan.
16:37Considering that the prices of electricity and fuel are skyrocketing.
16:45And that skyrocketing has led to a shortage of about Rs. 6 per unit.
16:50It is expected that there will be more shortages in electricity prices in the coming days.
16:55But this will come at the cost of electricity.
16:57Or the price of petroleum in the international market will also be affected by the continuous fall of prices of petroleum.
17:06That is an important question.
17:08Now the matter of privatizing discos has come up.
17:12Is this not going to happen with the PIA?
17:14We will know all these things.
17:15Mr. Awais Lagari is present with us.
17:17Loyalty Minister Barahat Tawanai.
17:18Thank you very much, Mr. Lagari.
17:19You joined us.
17:20Mr. Lagari, you have held a very important press conference today.
17:24After a long time, there has been a significant shortage in the price of electricity.
17:31Is that shortage only up to this point?
17:34Or will we see more such good news in the coming days?
17:38Thank you very much for inviting me.
17:41I gave a whole presentation to the media today, not just the press conference.
17:46Which you all kindly showed on your TV channels.
17:51The reason was that the shortage of electricity in our prices has come on the basis of a solid foundation.
18:03It was not enough to review the contracts of IPPs or save only PDL and pass it on to the public to electricity.
18:15Our development partners and IMF have given us space because there are proper structural reforms in the power sector under the leadership of the Prime Minister.
18:30So that we can build a foundation on which we can build a long-term and sustainable trust.
18:39And the structure of our policies should be such that in the future, the open competitive markets and the environment of privatization,
18:48due to competition and due to the least cost methodology,
18:54cheap electricity should be purchased in the future and the government should come out of purchasing.
19:03And God willing, in the future, the steps that we are going to take and the structural reforms that are being implemented,
19:11they are taking us towards this environment, including the termination of the loan and the privatization of discos.
19:19So this is based on a very solid foundation, which was a policy intervention.
19:26Right. But Mr. Lagari, the problem is that you have said that it is time to buy cheap electricity.
19:30Dams are needed for cheap electricity.
19:32There are many dams at this time, like the Dehameer Bhasha Dam, which is also under construction.
19:35It could not be completed.
19:37Similarly, just now, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib spoke a little earlier about who stopped the Kalabagh Dam.
19:41Benazir Bhutto Sahiba stopped it.
19:43Similarly, if your allies keep stopping you from doing a lot of work,
19:46the allies at this time, then cheap electricity will be left empty, right, Mr. Lagari?
19:51Anika, we and you think that the electricity produced from the dam is cheap.
19:57Its fuel part is cheap, in fact, it is free.
20:01But the investment on the dam is also paid by the consumer.
20:06Today, with the existence of renewable energy, solar, wind and such technologies,
20:13it is not necessary to say that the electricity produced from the dam will be cheap in the future.
20:20Another big advantage of dams is that it provides storage,
20:25it secures the agricultural community and our water needs.
20:33Its national importance is much greater, but the cost of producing electricity is not necessary for the dam to be very cheap.
20:42But whatever we do in the future, we will buy electricity in a competitive environment.
20:51In fact, the main structure of our reform will be that we do not buy electricity, the government does not buy it.
21:01The government should come out of a single buyer model.
21:04And this is where we are going, where the private sector, its big buyers and sellers,
21:11buy and sell electricity through an exchange of electricity with each other,
21:19so that the consumers do not have to go through a competitive environment in the future,
21:28and the government does not get involved in this buying and selling.
21:32This formula is running in other countries, including the UK, which we often follow constitutionally.
21:41But the problem is that if such a thing happens in Pakistan, there will be cartelization.
21:46Is there a guarantee that if the discourse is privatized, the government will move away from the business?
21:51Because it should move away, it is not the job of the government to be involved in the business.
21:54But if it moves away, who will take this guarantee that all rights should be protected?
21:59You are saying that the big residential users, the consumers, are less than 200 units.
22:04Yes, it is the responsibility of the regulator to monitor the interest of the consumer.
22:12There is a regulator in every economy and in every sector, and it is the duty of the regulator
22:18that the companies assess the cost of their purchases and businesses,
22:29and do not let them earn more than the appropriate profit.
22:34So it is the job of the regulator to monitor the interest of the basic consumer.
22:39As we are moving towards privatization in Pakistan,
22:43we are also reviewing the regulatory mechanisms and laws in our sector
22:54to see where there is room for improvement so that we can ensure it.
22:59That is an important point, Mr. Laghari, because we passed the 18th amendment,
23:03but without building the capacity of the provinces.
23:06In the same way, we started giving NFC awards after the 18th amendment,
23:11but we did not see where it was needed.
23:14In the same way, we took the matter towards the privatization of PIA,
23:18and then what happened was in front of us.
23:22Will such a thing be repeated here?
23:26We have already prepared the discourse for the privatization of PIA.
23:40We have already audited the three companies.
23:44Our balance sheets are about to be cleared.
23:47Our data rooms, through which the investors will have complete transparency
23:53about everything about these companies,
23:58for complete in-depth analysis.
24:01That was our responsibility of the Power Division.
24:04Alhamdulillah, we have fulfilled this responsibility in the past few months,
24:09and now the Privatization Commission has this transaction.
24:13Together, we are ensuring that the investors have complete confidence
24:19through which they will have to come and do business in Pakistan.
24:24We are getting a lot of interest at this time,
24:27but it is still too early to say anything.
24:30But in the future, we are expecting that the privatization of these three companies,
24:36if people have an appetite to invest,
24:39which is now developing in Pakistan,
24:42the interest rates are decreasing,
24:44and there is economic stability.
24:46So, overall, the stability of the financial sector
24:51will also help us a lot after a few months,
24:56compared to the privatization of PIA a few months ago.
25:00So, Mr. Laghair, if we look at the timeline,
25:02when can we expect that the privatization process will go to the auction?
25:08Anika, I can't say.
25:10I can't say.
25:12I don't want to create a lot of excitement by pre-empting it now,
25:17but it is on a fast track.
25:19So, Inshallah, we understand that in the next financial year,
25:24Inshallah, well before the end of the financial year,
25:29this transaction will take place and the handover of the companies
25:32will take place, Inshallah, if all goes well.
25:35So, you said, by the end of the next financial year,
25:38that is, should we think about mid-2026, Mr. Laghairi?
25:44No, I have said it very conservatively,
25:47maybe even before that,
25:49but now the transaction advisor is doing the entire sectoral due diligence,
25:57we will address their concerns,
26:01then the architecture of the entire transaction is being formed,
26:05so that privatization commission will be able to tell you better,
26:08but this is my rough assessment,
26:10but the power division and these companies are all set to be privatized.
26:15It has been fully prepared from our side.
26:17Okay, you said that a lot of interest is coming for investment,
26:20is this coming from outside the country or within the country?
26:25Right now, to assess an appetite within the country,
26:30some things have just started,
26:32their feedback is being taken from different investment groups,
26:36outside the country, the utility companies,
26:39the companies that run,
26:41the partnerships with them,
26:43the investors will strike themselves,
26:45so it will be a mix of international and local investment,
26:49and expertise and experience,
26:52through which we understand that these transactions will go towards success,
26:57and we will also have a requirement,
26:59that the partners who have proper experience should definitely come,
27:04so that those who identify the utility business,
27:08and the interest of the consumers will also be maintained in the same way.
27:12Right, Mr. Laghari, now at the end this question arises,
27:16that all these circumstances are catering,
27:19the economy is also going towards stability,
27:21even investors and Pakistani businessmen are giving the feedback,
27:25that at this time things are going towards stability,
27:28but on one hand the KPK issue is still there,
27:32they are saying that the electricity that was made by us,
27:35we were not given the money for it,
27:37the CM has also reiterated this,
27:39about the NFC awards also he has said that
27:41if something goes wrong in the NFC awards in April,
27:44then we will go towards proper protest,
27:46so is the power division or the power ministry catering to that issue,
27:50is there any discussion going on with the KPK,
27:52your ego self?
27:54As much as our input will be taken, we will definitely do it,
27:58this is a matter of the Ministry of Water Resources,
28:01and in it there was a formula called AGM Qazi,
28:04after that complications arose in it,
28:07the minute that was done wrong in it,
28:10and there are different complications,
28:13a committee has also been formed,
28:16which sits with the province,
28:18and the HIDL profits,
28:21the HIDL which is a charge,
28:24which is given to the provinces,
28:27on that there is a matter of reconciliation of numbers,
28:31I am sure our interest is in the federal government,
28:35so that we do not allow any injustice with the provinces,
28:40and according to their rights,
28:43their right and due share,
28:45the way it is being given in the NFC,
28:47I am sure that is not an issue that is too complicated,
28:50as soon as the talks will take place,
28:53I am sure the matter will be resolved,
28:56and it will not disturb the basis of the structural reforms of our power sector.
29:05Fair enough,
29:06Mr. Laghari,
29:07because we are talking about the opposition,
29:10in the opposition itself,
29:12the Ameer of the Jamaat-e-Islami,
29:14Mr. Hafiz Naeem,
29:15is saying that you should get the IPPs forensic audited,
29:19and you have worked a lot on IPPs,
29:21you have also been to China,
29:23and you yourself have talked about it,
29:25can such a thing be on the cards,
29:27is there a possibility?
29:29All the IPPs that we are renegotiating,
29:33and are trying to reach mutually agreed terms,
29:38the IPPs that do not want to do it,
29:41it is our right to get them forensic audited,
29:44which we will exercise,
29:46and whoever wants to go into arbitration,
29:49must go,
29:50they will not stop our efforts,
29:52it is their right,
29:53we are in the legal framework,
29:56or with mutual consultation,
29:58and with mutual agreement,
30:00they are concluding these agreements,
30:03or they are encouraging them to go into arbitration,
30:07but we understand that a lot of money,
30:11like we have saved some 3,600 Arab Rupees,
30:16we understand that more savings are going to happen,
30:20and we will do it,
30:22as far as our Chinese IPPs are concerned,
30:25and the CPEC framework is concerned,
30:27it was a separate,
30:29under the sanctity of the government,
30:32under the G2G framework,
30:34those investments were made,
30:36and in that,
30:37debt re-profiling,
30:38coal conversion,
30:39these kinds of matters,
30:41we have to explore in great detail,
30:43with our companies,
30:45and their financial institutions,
30:47for many months,
30:49and God willing,
30:50there will come a time,
30:52when we will,
30:54and we are now going to,
30:56with our circular debt,
30:58we are going to do a financial restructuring,
31:01of 1,200 and something Arab Rupees,
31:03and we are going to finish that debt,
31:05in the next 6 years,
31:07in the same way,
31:09through financial restructuring,
31:12so that through re-profiling,
31:14we can do it rationally.
31:16All these things can only be done,
31:19if the government is stable.
31:21The government cannot be stable,
31:23without the Pakistan People's Party.
31:25The issue of the government cabinet,
31:27of the Pakistan People's Party,
31:29and the PMLN,
31:30is a big issue,
31:31with regards to the canal.
31:33A while ago,
31:34Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
31:35was also talking against this.
31:37Is it possible,
31:38that the government,
31:39will become unstable,
31:40due to being on the side of the unionists?
31:44I think,
31:45all these things,
31:46that bring financial stability,
31:48bring economic stability,
31:51because of that,
31:52the government will become stable.
31:54Our unionists,
31:55are also very important.
31:57Without them,
31:58the existence of our government,
32:00is not possible.
32:01All their support,
32:03and the prices of electricity,
32:05which have also decreased,
32:07we also understand,
32:08that the unionists,
32:09have as much of a role,
32:11as we have,
32:12because without them,
32:13we cannot do these things.
32:15I am sure,
32:16whatever issues they have,
32:18issues related to water,
32:20on which Sindh is agitating,
32:22and wants to open discussions,
32:27I am sure,
32:28the federal government,
32:30will satisfy their sensitivities,
32:32their rightful sensitivities,
32:34through talks and discussions.
32:39They are a part of the government,
32:41and without satisfying them,
32:43we cannot move forward one-sidedly.
32:46No, I am not saying,
32:48it is not a big deal.
32:50I am saying that,
32:52we need to sit down and talk,
32:54and resolve these issues,
32:56and I am sure,
32:57Sindh will prevail on both sides,
32:59and we will,
33:00Inshallah,
33:01resolve these issues,
33:03so that the government,
33:05not only benefits it,
33:07but the common people,
33:08and Pakistan,
33:09will also benefit from it.
33:11Thank you very much,
33:12for joining me in the program.
33:13It was a pleasure having you.
33:14After Eid,
33:15Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
33:16also had to do something,
33:17in politics.
33:18Where is he?
33:19We will find out,
33:20after the break.
33:23Welcome back,
33:24after the break.
33:25Senator,
33:26Barrister,
33:27Ali Zafar,
33:28is with us.
33:29He is the leader of,
33:30Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
33:31Thank you very much,
33:32for joining me in the program.
33:33Last time,
33:34in my program,
33:35you said that,
33:36Imran Khan,
33:37said that,
33:38no matter what,
33:39Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
33:40will not be a political party.
33:41But then,
33:42we saw what happened.
33:44Ultimately,
33:45after the trickle-down effect,
33:46it was found that,
33:47the party,
33:48was divided into two groups.
33:49One was,
33:50PTI,
33:51Bushra Bibi,
33:52and the other was,
33:53PTI,
33:54Aleema Khan.
33:55At this time,
33:56Senator,
33:57isn't it necessary,
33:58that unity should prevail,
33:59and unity should be the priority,
34:00considering,
34:01that there are,
34:02many difficulties.
34:03Absolutely,
34:04from your last sentence,
34:05I will continue,
34:06the discussion.
34:07But,
34:08at this time,
34:09I would like to,
34:10say,
34:11that,
34:12I will continue,
34:13the discussion.
34:14Unity,
34:15is very important,
34:16at this time.
34:17Because,
34:18we should have,
34:19only one goal.
34:20The whole party,
34:21should have,
34:22one goal.
34:23And that is,
34:24that,
34:25how we should,
34:26how we should,
34:27bring out,
34:28our Supreme Leader,
34:29how we should,
34:30bring him out.
34:31How we should,
34:32fight a legal war,
34:33fight a political war,
34:34open the doors,
34:35of negotiations.
34:36How we should,
34:37bring out,
34:38our target,
34:39who we should,
34:40bring out,
34:41of negotiations.
34:42How we should,
34:43bring out,
34:44our target,
34:45who we should,
34:46bring out,
34:47of negotiations.
34:48How we should,
34:49bring out,
34:50our target,
34:51who we should,
34:52bring out,
34:53of negotiations.
34:54So,
34:55I think,
34:56for that,
34:57the most important thing,
34:58is unity.
34:59And,
35:00you are right,
35:01I cannot deny,
35:02that,
35:03there are,
35:04different groups,
35:05in a way,
35:06but,
35:07I don't think,
35:08that these groups,
35:09are,
35:10different.
35:11Some groups,
35:12have,
35:13their own,
35:14option,
35:15strategy,
35:16and others,
35:17have their own.
35:18So,
35:19this,
35:20group building,
35:21happens in every political party.
35:22This is not,
35:23something that,
35:24is only in PTI.
35:25The only issue,
35:26is that,
35:27the different groups,
35:28of PTI,
35:29have different,
35:30opinions,
35:31people,
35:32according to their groups,
35:33want to move forward,
35:34with their opinions.
35:35So,
35:36because,
35:37PTI scrutiny,
35:38is increasing,
35:39in the media,
35:40the media,
35:41is watching,
35:42every step,
35:43that's why,
35:44it comes out,
35:45after a lot of jumping.
35:46But,
35:47in reality,
35:48this is in every party.
35:49And,
35:50I think,
35:51this is a political party,
35:52because,
35:53it is a democratic party,
35:54so,
35:55groups like this,
35:56keep forming.
35:57It is not possible,
35:58that all,
35:59the people,
36:00who think,
36:01who worry,
36:02they,
36:03adopt the same,
36:04strategy,
36:05at every point,
36:06they,
36:07have the same,
36:08strategy.
36:09For example,
36:10I will tell you,
36:11I have a lot of,
36:12different opinions,
36:13on a lot of issues.
36:14I don't have a group,
36:15but,
36:16I do express,
36:17my opinions.
36:18Similarly,
36:19there are other people,
36:20who express,
36:21their opinions.
36:22And,
36:23if 10 people,
36:24express one opinion,
36:25then it is called a group.
36:26So,
36:27I think,
36:28this is a little,
36:29exaggeration.
36:30There are definitely,
36:31complications in between.
36:32Sir,
36:33I am sorry,
36:34I am cutting you short.
36:35You are right,
36:36that at this time,
36:37there is a lot,
36:38of tension,
36:39and,
36:40there is a lot,
36:41of tension,
36:42and,
36:43there is a lot,
36:44of tension,
36:45and,
36:46there is a lot,
36:47of tension,
36:48and,
36:49there is a lot,
36:50of tension,
36:51and,
36:52there is a lot,
36:53of tension,
36:54and,
36:55there is a lot,
36:56of tension,
36:57and,
36:58there is a lot,
36:59of tension,
37:00and,
37:01there is a lot,
37:02of tension,
37:03and,
37:04there is a lot,
37:05of tension,
37:06and,
37:07there is a lot,
37:08of tension,
37:09and,
37:10there is a lot,
37:11of tension,
37:12and,
37:13there is a lot,
37:14of tension,
37:15and,
37:16there is a lot,
37:17of tension,
37:18and,
37:19there is a lot,
37:20of tension,
37:21and,
37:22there is a lot,
37:23of tension,
37:24and,
37:25there is a lot,
37:26of tension,
37:27and,
37:28there is a lot,
37:29of tension,
37:30and,
37:31there is a lot,
37:32of tension,
37:33and,
37:34there is a lot,
37:35of tension,
37:36and,
37:37there is a lot,
37:38of tension,
37:39and,
37:40there is a lot,
37:41of tension,
37:42and,
37:43there is a lot,
37:44of tension,
37:45and,
37:46there is a lot,
37:47of tension,
37:48and,
37:49there is a lot,
37:50of tension,
37:51and,
37:52there is a lot,
37:53of tension,
37:54and,
37:55there is a lot,
37:56of tension,
37:57and,
37:58there is a lot,
37:59of tension,
38:00and,
38:01there is a lot,
38:02of tension,
38:03and,
38:04there is a lot,
38:05of tension,
38:06and,
38:07there is a lot,
38:08of tension,
38:09and,
38:10there is a lot,
38:11of tension,
38:12and,
38:13there is a lot,
38:14of tension,
38:15and,
38:16there is a lot,
38:17of tension,
38:18and,
38:19there is a lot,
38:20of tension,
38:21and,
38:22there is a lot,
38:23of tension,
38:24and,
38:25there is a lot,
38:26of tension,
38:27and,
38:28there is a lot,
38:29of tension,
38:30and,
38:31there is a lot,
38:32of tension,
38:33and,
38:34there is a lot,
38:35of tension,
38:36and,
38:37there is a lot,
38:38of tension,
38:39and,
38:40there is a lot,
38:41of tension,
38:42and,
38:43there is a lot,
38:44of tension,
38:45and,
38:46there is a lot,
38:47of tension,
38:48and,
38:49there is a lot,
38:50of tension,
38:51and,
38:52there is a lot,
38:53of tension,
38:54and,
38:55there is a lot,
38:56of tension,
38:57and,
38:58there is a lot,
38:59of tension,
39:00and,
39:01there is a lot,
39:02of tension,
39:03and,
39:04there is a lot,
39:05of tension,
39:06and,
39:07there is a lot,
39:08of tension,
39:09and,
39:10there is a lot,
39:11of tension,
39:12and,
39:13there is a lot,
39:14of tension,
39:15and,
39:16there is a lot,
39:17of tension,
39:18and,
39:19there is a lot,
39:20of tension,
39:21and,
39:22there is a lot,
39:23of tension,
39:24and,
39:25there is a lot,
39:26of tension,
39:27and,
39:28there is a lot,
39:29of tension,
39:30and,
39:31there is a lot,
39:32of tension,
39:33and,
39:34there is a lot,
39:35of tension,
39:36and,
39:37there is a lot,
39:38of tension,
39:39and,
39:40there is a lot,
39:41of tension,
39:42and,
39:43there is a lot,
39:44of tension,
39:45and,
39:46there is a lot,
39:47of tension,
39:48and,
39:49there is a lot,
39:50of tension,
39:51and,
39:52there is a lot,
39:53of tension,
39:54and,
39:55there is a lot,
39:56of tension,
39:57and,
39:58there is a lot,
39:59of tension,
40:00and,
40:01there is a lot,
40:02of tension,
40:03and,
40:04there is a lot,
40:05of tension,
40:06and,
40:07there is a lot,
40:08of tension,
40:09and,
40:10there is a lot,
40:11of tension,
40:12and,
40:13there is a lot,
40:14of tension,
40:15and,
40:16there is a lot,
40:17of tension,
40:18and,
40:19there is a lot,
40:20of tension,
40:21and,
40:22there is a lot,
40:23of tension,
40:24and,
40:25there is a lot,
40:26of tension,
40:27and,
40:28there is a lot,
40:29of tension,
40:30and,
40:31there is a lot,
40:32of tension,
40:33and,
40:34there is a lot,
40:35of tension,
40:36and,
40:37there is a lot,
40:38of tension,
40:39and,
40:40there is a lot,
40:41of tension,
40:42and,
40:43there is a lot,
40:44of tension,
40:45and,
40:46there is a lot,
40:47of tension,
40:48and,
40:49there is a lot,
40:50of tension,
40:51and,
40:52there is a lot,
40:53of tension,
40:54and,
40:55there is a lot,
40:56of tension,
40:57and,
40:58there is a lot,
40:59of tension,
41:00and,
41:01there is a lot,
41:02of tension,
41:03and,
41:04there is a lot,
41:05of tension,
41:06and,
41:07there is a lot,
41:08of tension,
41:09and,
41:10there is a lot,
41:11of tension,
41:12and,
41:13there is a lot,
41:14of tension,
41:15and,
41:16there is a lot,
41:17of tension,
41:18and,
41:19there is a lot,
41:20of tension,
41:21and,
41:22there is a lot,
41:23of tension,
41:24and,
41:25there is a lot,
41:26of tension,
41:27and,
41:28there is a lot,
41:29of tension,
41:30and,
41:31there is a lot,
41:32of tension,
41:33and,
41:34there is a lot,
41:35of tension,
41:36and,
41:37there is a lot,
41:38of tension,
41:39and,
41:40there is a lot,
41:41of tension,
41:42and,
41:43there is a lot,
41:44of tension,
41:45and,
41:46there is a lot,
41:47of tension,
41:48and,
41:49there is a lot,
41:50of tension,
41:51and,
41:52there is a lot,
41:53of tension,
41:54and,
41:55there is a lot,
41:56of tension,
41:57and,
41:58there is a lot,
41:59of tension,
42:00and,
42:01there is a lot,
42:02of tension,
42:03and,
42:04there is a lot,
42:05of tension,
42:06and,
42:07there is a lot,
42:08of tension,
42:09and,
42:10there is a lot,
42:11of tension,
42:12and,
42:13there is a lot,
42:14of tension,
42:15and,
42:16there is a lot,
42:17of tension,
42:18and,
42:19there is a lot,
42:20of tension,
42:21and,
42:22there is a lot,
42:23of tension,
42:24and,
42:25there is a lot,
42:26of tension,
42:27and,
42:28there is a lot,
42:29of tension,
42:30and,
42:31there is a lot,
42:32of tension,
42:33and,
42:34there is a lot,
42:35of tension,
42:36and,
42:37there is a lot,
42:38of tension,
42:39and,
42:40there is a lot,
42:41of tension,
42:42and,
42:43there is a lot,
42:44of tension,
42:45and,
42:46there is a lot,
42:47of tension,
42:48and,
42:49there is a lot,
42:50of tension,
42:51and,
42:52there is a lot,
42:53of tension,
42:54and,
42:55there is a lot,
42:56of tension,
42:57and,
42:58there is a lot,
42:59of tension,
43:00and,
43:01there is a lot,
43:02of tension,
43:03and,
43:04there is a lot,
43:05of tension,
43:06and,
43:07there is a lot,
43:08of tension,
43:09and,
43:10there is a lot,
43:11of tension,
43:12and,
43:13there is a lot,
43:14of tension,
43:15and,
43:16there is a lot,
43:17of tension,
43:18and,
43:19there is a lot,
43:20of tension,
43:21and,
43:22there is a lot,
43:23of tension,
43:24and,
43:25there is a lot,
43:26of tension,
43:27and,
43:28there is a lot,
43:29of tension,
43:30and,
43:31there is a lot,
43:32of tension,
43:33and,
43:34there is a lot,
43:35of tension,
43:36and,
43:37there is a lot,
43:38of tension,
43:39and,
43:40there is a lot,
43:41of tension,
43:42and,
43:43there is a lot,
43:44of tension,
43:45and,
43:46there is a lot,
43:47of tension,
43:48and,
43:49there is a lot,
43:50of tension,
43:51and,
43:52there is a lot,
43:53of tension,
43:54and,
43:55there is a lot,
43:56of tension,
43:57and,
43:58there is a lot,
43:59of tension,
44:00and,
44:01there is a lot,
44:02of tension,
44:03and,
44:04there is a lot,
44:05of tension,
44:06and,
44:07there is a lot,
44:08of tension,
44:09and,
44:10there is a lot,
44:11of tension,
44:12and,
44:13there is a lot,
44:14of tension,
44:15and,
44:16there is a lot,
44:17of tension,
44:18and,
44:19there is a lot,
44:20of tension,
44:21and,
44:22there is a lot,
44:23of tension,
44:24and,
44:25there is a lot,
44:26of tension,
44:27and,
44:28there is a lot,
44:29of tension,
44:30and,
44:31there is a lot,
44:32of tension,
44:33and,
44:34there is a lot,
44:35of tension,
44:36and,
44:37there is a lot,
44:38of tension,
44:39and,
44:40there is a lot,
44:41of tension,
44:42and,
44:43there is a lot,
44:44of tension,
44:45and,
44:46there is a lot,
44:47of tension,
44:48and,
44:49there is a lot,
44:50of tension,
44:51and,
44:52there is a lot,
44:53of tension,
44:54and,
44:55there is a lot,
44:56of tension,
44:57and,
44:58there is a lot,
44:59of tension,
45:00and,
45:01there is a lot,
45:02of tension,
45:03and,
45:04there is a lot,
45:05of tension,
45:06and,
45:07there is a lot,
45:08of tension,
45:09and,
45:10there is a lot,
45:11of tension,
45:12and,
45:13there is a lot,
45:14of tension,
45:15and,
45:16there is a lot,
45:17of tension,
45:18and,
45:19there is a lot,
45:20of tension,
45:21and,
45:22there is a lot,
45:23of tension,
45:24and,
45:25there is a lot,
45:26of tension,
45:27and,
45:28there is a lot,
45:29of tension,
45:30and,
45:31there is a lot,
45:32of tension,
45:33and,
45:34there is a lot,
45:35of tension,
45:36and,
45:37there is a lot,
45:38of tension,
45:39and,
45:40there is a lot,
45:41of tension,
45:42and,
45:43there is a lot,
45:44of tension,
45:45and,
45:46there is a lot,
45:47of tension,
45:48and,
45:49there is a lot,
45:50of tension,
45:51and,
45:52there is a lot,
45:53of tension,
45:54and,
45:55there is a lot,
45:56of tension,
45:57and,
45:58there is a lot,
45:59of tension,
46:00and,
46:01there is a lot,
46:02of tension,
46:03and,
46:04there is a lot,
46:05of tension,
46:06and,
46:07there is a lot,
46:08of tension,
46:09and,
46:10there is a lot,
46:11of tension,
46:12and,
46:13there is a lot,
46:14of tension,
46:15and,
46:16there is a lot,
46:17of tension,
46:18and,
46:19there is a lot,
46:20of tension,
46:21and,
46:22there is a lot,
46:23of tension,
46:24and,
46:25there is a lot,
46:26of tension,
46:27and,
46:28there is a lot,
46:29of tension,
46:30and,
46:31there is a lot,
46:32of tension,
46:33and,
46:34there is a lot,
46:35of tension,
46:36and,
46:37there is a lot,
46:38of tension,
46:39and,
46:40there is a lot,
46:41of tension,
46:42and,
46:43there is a lot,
46:44of tension,
46:45and,
46:46there is a lot,
46:47of tension,
46:48and,
46:49there is a lot,
46:50of tension,
46:51and,
46:52there is a lot,
46:53of tension,
46:54and,
46:55there is a lot,
46:56of tension,
46:57and,
46:58there is a lot,
46:59of tension,
47:00and,
47:01there is a lot,
47:02of tension,
47:03and,
47:04there is a lot,
47:05of tension,
47:06and,
47:07there is a lot,
47:08of tension,
47:09and,
47:10there is a lot,
47:11of tension,
47:12and,
47:13there is a lot,
47:14of tension,
47:15and,
47:16there is a lot,
47:17of tension,
47:18and,
47:19there is a lot,
47:20of tension,
47:21and,
47:22there is a lot,
47:23of tension,
47:24and,
47:25there is a lot,
47:26of tension,
47:27and,
47:28there is a lot,
47:29of tension,
47:30and,
47:31there is a lot,
47:32of tension,
47:33and,
47:34there is a lot,
47:35of tension,
47:36and,
47:37there is a lot,
47:38of tension,
47:39and,
47:40there is a lot,
47:41of tension,
47:42and,
47:43there is a lot,
47:44of tension,
47:45and,
47:46there is a lot,
47:47of tension,
47:48and,
47:49there is a lot,
47:50of tension,
47:51and,
47:52there is a lot,
47:53of tension,
47:54and,
47:55there is a lot,
47:56of tension,
47:57and,
47:58there is a lot,
47:59of tension,
48:00and,
48:01there is a lot,
48:02of tension,
48:03and,
48:04there is a lot,
48:05of tension,
48:06and,
48:07there is a lot,
48:08of tension,
48:09and,
48:10there is a lot,
48:11of tension,
48:12and,