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00:00:00Hello. Mine works.
00:00:05Hello. Oh, there we go. Sorry about that.
00:00:20All right. First, this is a Socratic stage.
00:00:23This is, I don't know how many we've had.
00:00:25We started just a year and a half ago.
00:00:27It was a nascent thought that, hey, we should have some sort of ongoing debate where it's civil discourse,
00:00:33it's great topics, and people come and they learn.
00:00:37And so this is one of our fantastic panels that you'll see in a while.
00:00:41I do want to give a shout out.
00:00:43This has been largely underwritten by Ling and Michael Markovits, who are sitting down front.
00:00:53They came to us on day one when all the controversy and all the articles and they said,
00:00:57hey, if you really are going to be about academic freedom and civil discourse, we want to help in a big way.
00:01:01And they've been fantastic.
00:01:03So just so you know, if you guys could silence your cell phones and make sure.
00:01:07So what we're going to do is we'll take some Q&A with the panelists.
00:01:11I'll introduce them and then we'll take some audience questions.
00:01:14You can punch them into the app and we'll get those questions at the end.
00:01:20So with that, I'm Richard Corkin, I'm president, and I want to introduce our great panel.
00:01:25First at the end, my far left, we have Secretary Chad Wolf.
00:01:41Chad is the president and founder of World Global Advisors and the executive vice president
00:01:45and chief strategy officer of the American First Policy Institute.
00:01:49And just to put it into perspective, the American First Policy Institute, once there was a change in the election in November,
00:01:55they probably had 150 great policy minds working for them with Chad.
00:02:01Probably a third of them are now in Washington, D.C., in the governments, in the agencies, in the White House,
00:02:07changing the direction of the country.
00:02:09And so Chad's been doing a phenomenal job.
00:02:17He began his career at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security,
00:02:19helping stand up the U.S. Transportation Security Administration in the aftermath of 9-11.
00:02:24He later served at the department during the Trump administration, eventually rising to the secretary himself.
00:02:31He is a recipient of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation 9-11 medal,
00:02:34the U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Distinguished Service Medal,
00:02:36and the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal.
00:02:39He is a graduate of Southern Methodist University with a liberal arts history degree.
00:02:43We've got to give that shout out.
00:02:48And he's married with two sons.
00:02:51Next to him is Tom Homan.
00:02:53He has been appointed.
00:03:08He was appointed by President Trump to serve as the first U.S. border czar at the White House.
00:03:14Prior to his appointment, he has spent nearly his entire life in law enforcement.
00:03:18He's a New Yorker.
00:03:19He has a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.
00:03:21And for more than 30 years, he has served at every level of public protection,
00:03:25from local patrol officers, border patrol agent,
00:03:28and eventually rising to the acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the Trump administration.
00:03:34He has served six presidents in that 30 years.
00:03:39And most recently, you guys can't get on the Internet or YouTube without seeing him correct the mainstream media
00:03:45on the Constitution is older than the current enforcement mechanisms used to deport.
00:04:01And next to me is, without question, over the last eight years, the greatest governor in the entire country.
00:04:23Governor DeSantis earned his undergraduate degree on a baseball scholarship at Yale University
00:04:33and went on to get his law degree from Harvard University.
00:04:36When I first met the governor, I told him, this is crazy.
00:04:38What a coincidence.
00:04:39I can't believe you went to Yale and Harvard.
00:04:41I went to St. Leo and Regent.
00:04:42I mean, what are the odds?
00:04:45And I didn't ever get a scholarship, ever.
00:04:49But he has been a fantastic, amazing friend to New College.
00:04:52All of the transformation, all of the redo and resurgence of New College has been thanks to the governor leading on all levels,
00:05:02helping us to hire more faculty, recruit more students, adding the sports, redoing the entire campus has all been due to Governor DeSantis.
00:05:11And just for the record, if it's up to the First Lady, we've got three kids.
00:05:22They're not quite college age.
00:05:24They've got a little ways to go.
00:05:25But if there's a choice between Yale, Harvard and New College, she's sending them to New College.
00:05:31Thanks, Governor.
00:05:34And I'll just say, you can take any ranking.
00:05:40The 50 states, who ranks the highest in K-12 education?
00:05:44Who ranks the highest in higher education?
00:05:46Who ranks the highest in economic output?
00:05:49Florida has been number one under Governor DeSantis in the entire time.
00:05:53It's just an amazing feat.
00:05:55And with him, as he mentioned, is the First Lady, who is a award-winning Emmy newscaster, First Lady Casey DeSantis.
00:06:10I know our athletic director is in here somewhere, Mariano Jimenez.
00:06:14And I will say that I did see some videos of Mason.
00:06:17They have three children.
00:06:18Mason's their son.
00:06:20And I saw some video of him playing at the Valspar in a pro-am.
00:06:24Six, Governor?
00:06:25Six.
00:06:26Six years old.
00:06:27So we might want to start sending some recruitment letters early and often.
00:06:33With that, let's get straight to the questions.
00:06:41I'll start with you, Bordasar.
00:06:48You got to like Tom Holman.
00:06:49I mean, it's hard not to.
00:06:56I told him, hey, there may be some protests, whatever.
00:06:58And he goes, I'm not coming if there aren't any protests.
00:07:05But, Bordasar, last Saturday, the president invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to declare that a Venezuelan foreign terrorist organization,
00:07:14Tren de Agua, is invading the United States and authorized the expedited removal of its members from the United States.
00:07:22Walk us through the Alien Enemies Act, why he invoked it, issues around it,
00:07:29and is it going to be obviously used beyond Tren de Agua?
00:07:35You got me here?
00:07:36Yeah.
00:07:37Okay.
00:07:38Well, look, the president, through proclamation, invoked his authorities under the Alien Enemies Act.
00:07:42And what the media is not telling you is that that's a law passed by Congress, signed by the president.
00:07:47So he's taken his executive privilege in invoking that Alien Enemies Act, which is the right thing.
00:07:54There's been numerous investigations, deep investigations.
00:07:58We know that Tren de Agua come to this country, to undersell this country.
00:08:05They're connected to the Maduro regime, to the military and law enforcement.
00:08:08We know that.
00:08:09They came to this country to commit violent crimes, to spread fentanyl to kill 1,000 Americans, and create havoc and unsettle this nation.
00:08:17So the president took his authority through executive action, and we invoked the Alien Enemies Act.
00:08:24It's the right thing to do.
00:08:25TDA is an enemy of the United States, just by the mere fact of what they did when they got here.
00:08:30So they are a priority of this administration.
00:08:32The president has been clear that criminal safety threats, public safety threats, national security threats are going to be priority one, and they are priority one of priority one.
00:08:43So we're going to do everything we can to get every single TDA member of this country as quick as we can to save American lives.
00:08:49And that's what the president did.
00:08:51And as a quick follow-up, talk a little bit about the ruling where we have a federal judge who says what you're doing is in seeking an injunction against turning the planes around.
00:09:07Well, I found it remarkable that any district judge has the authority to overrule the president's executive orders.
00:09:14And what basically he wanted us to do is turn planes around in midair full of terrorists and bring them back into the United States, which is just ridiculous.
00:09:22And we didn't do it.
00:09:24Now it's under litigation.
00:09:26But as I've been clear, I'll let DOJ fight that out.
00:09:33I'm not a lawyer.
00:09:34I'm a cop.
00:09:35So we'll let the lawyers fight it out.
00:09:36But bottom line is we're not going to stop doing what we're doing.
00:09:38We're going to arrest aliens today.
00:09:40We're going to arrest TDA today.
00:09:41We're going to deport TDA today.
00:09:42We're going to deport criminals every single day.
00:09:44ICE is out there right now.
00:09:45I just looked at the numbers.
00:09:46There are about 40,000 arrested by ICE in the interior since the president took office, a vast majority of them being public safety threats and national security threats.
00:09:54They're not going to stop us.
00:09:56A district court judge isn't going to stop us from making this country safe again.
00:10:00We're going to keep moving forward.
00:10:02And I would just add, you know, where was the district court judge when all these folks were coming into the United States, right?
00:10:12And so this idea that you're going to have a judge or even, you know, the left of the country is now siding, first they sided with illegal aliens, and now they're siding with terrorists instead of with the American people.
00:10:22So I think Tom's exactly right.
00:10:25And I think, you know, the American people by and large support what the president is doing here.
00:10:31Governor, now you have some thoughts on the judge.
00:10:34Well, look, I mean, well, first of all, the U.S. Supreme Court had a chance to nip all this in the bud about a month ago.
00:10:45And they could have just been aggressive, put these district judges in their place.
00:10:52But, you know, the three liberal justices, they're always going to be against no matter what.
00:10:56And then of the six others, you know, a lot of them aren't reliable.
00:11:00Thomas is reliable.
00:11:01Alito is reliable.
00:11:03But you had a 5-4 where the chief justice and Justice Barrett sided with the liberals, kept these cases alive.
00:11:12And it was a different case than the one just there.
00:11:15But the principle is, are we ruled by the consent of the governed under elections and under a written constitution,
00:11:23or are we ruled by a district judge in D.C., Hawaii, wherever the hell they can shop for a judge to find somebody?
00:11:32And then that trumps everything that is in the Constitution in terms of executive powers, because that's what they'll keep doing if you let that happen.
00:11:41So the U.S. Supreme Court needs to put a kibosh on it.
00:11:44I mean, forget about just whether a judge should even be involved in this to begin with.
00:11:49Clearly, if you have one case, judge rules against the government,
00:11:53that shouldn't be a nationwide injunction where the government can't act and all the other 99.9% of the cases.
00:12:01And so the U.S. Supreme Court could reel that in if they wanted to, and maybe they will.
00:12:06But, you know, Congress, people say, oh, these courts are out of control.
00:12:11They've been out of control for a long time.
00:12:13It got worse under Trump 45.
00:12:15We knew this was going to happen.
00:12:17Like, this is the most predictable thing that this is what the left would do.
00:12:22Congress has the authority to strip the courts of jurisdiction over certain issues.
00:12:28They can say you can't hear any case involving the removal of an illegal alien or the removal of certain classes.
00:12:35They could do that if they wanted to do it.
00:12:38They haven't done that.
00:12:39They haven't been aggressive on it.
00:12:41But that's plain in the Constitution.
00:12:43When Jefferson became president, they had had problems with judges.
00:12:47They just eliminated these judgeships that they had problems with.
00:12:50They didn't even bother.
00:12:52So, like, none of these courts exist as a matter, other than the Supreme Court,
00:12:56none of the other courts even exist as a matter of constitutional right.
00:13:00That's purely the discretion of Congress to create and then set the jurisdiction.
00:13:05So, and we were talking about this earlier before we came out.
00:13:08If you look at how our government, not just on immigration, on everything,
00:13:12how our constitutional system has really been transfigured in a bad way over many, many decades,
00:13:19the root of the problem is Congress's fecklessness.
00:13:22The reason why you have so much debt, continuing resolutions, a massive bureaucracy run amuck
00:13:27is because Congress doesn't use the power of the purse to rein it in.
00:13:31The reason why you have these judges doing what they're doing
00:13:34is because Congress has not used the authority in the Constitution
00:13:37to take political issues away from the courts
00:13:40and make sure that that's reserved in the executive branch.
00:13:43So, I don't know.
00:13:45I mean, basically, if Congress isn't going to do anything,
00:13:47then you're hoping that the U.S. Supreme Court will ultimately put the kibosh on this.
00:13:53And maybe they will.
00:13:55And I think that the arguments that the Trump administration will put forward are the right arguments.
00:14:00But I've also seen them put forward the right arguments already,
00:14:03and the Supreme Court has not been willing to adopt those arguments yet.
00:14:07So we'll see what happens.
00:14:09But if they don't put the kibosh on this,
00:14:11then you're just going to have four years of trying to find the most liberal judge you can,
00:14:16file a lawsuit, they'll say nationwide injunction,
00:14:20and then your hands are tied from doing the job that the American people elected the president to do.
00:14:27APPLAUSE
00:14:32Secretary, I'll come back to you.
00:14:34A lot's been said lately about until we get this under control,
00:14:38until there's some real meaningful long-term solution,
00:14:41just shut down the border completely.
00:14:43Your thoughts?
00:14:45Well, I think that's what President Trump and the team is doing, right?
00:14:48They're using the authorities that they have to make sure that they protect the American people.
00:14:53So the national emergency, a 212F order,
00:14:55all the things that they're doing now are things that could have been done the last four years under President Biden, right?
00:15:00They chose not to do that from just the sheer will of not wanting to go in a certain direction.
00:15:06So we hear a lot of talk about, you know, comprehensive immigration reform,
00:15:11which is like the worst term I've ever heard.
00:15:13But I think what the Republican Congress needs to do now
00:15:17is look at all the actions that President Trump and his team are putting in place
00:15:21and how do you codify that into law?
00:15:23So that if you do have a different president from a different party,
00:15:27that they're just not going to undo everything.
00:15:29And so Congress really needs to take a good look at what's being done here,
00:15:35put it into law so that we don't have the chaos of the last four years
00:15:40that we had under President Biden at that border.
00:15:42Because that's what will happen if we don't get a lot of this just enshrined into law.
00:15:48Executive authority is great because you can do it quickly.
00:15:50You can do it fast.
00:15:52I'm just worried in four years when President Trump leaves office
00:15:56and it's not a Republican and a conservative that has an enforcement mindset,
00:16:00what is that border going to look like?
00:16:02And so that's where I would push the Republican Congress to do,
00:16:06you know, obviously we can get a lot of infrastructure.
00:16:08I know we're building wall.
00:16:10There's a maritime buoy going in in South Texas.
00:16:13There's a lot of stuff that President Trump's doing today.
00:16:16But you've got to get it codified into law.
00:16:18And they've really not in Congress done anything to codify any of these actions.
00:16:28I mean, let's just be clear.
00:16:30You know, you came in and it's almost like you have the Trump administration
00:16:34has gone, you know, 100 miles a minute on all this stuff.
00:16:38You know, everything but the kitchen sink to move the country in the right direction.
00:16:43Congress is like almost the opposite.
00:16:45Like they're on a two-week vacation right now.
00:16:48They haven't voted to codify.
00:16:50They haven't successfully codified a single executive order.
00:16:54You know, we were talking about the border wall.
00:16:56They just passed a continuing resolution, Republicans' votes,
00:17:01that did not provide one cent for the border wall.
00:17:04It was just a continuation of Biden's spending from last year.
00:17:08That's all it was.
00:17:09USAID, they go on cable news.
00:17:11Oh, this is so bad.
00:17:13And yet they voted to fully fund AID.
00:17:16Now President Trump's not going to probably allow some of these grants to go out,
00:17:20which is great, but why wouldn't Congress at least do that?
00:17:23I mean, Doge is doing all this stuff.
00:17:25So I think that they've not shown any inclination to do what Chad is saying needs to be done.
00:17:31And what will happen is you will absolutely see all that go up in smoke
00:17:36if a new president comes in in 29 that doesn't agree with these policies.
00:17:41It will happen like that.
00:17:43So, you know, you've got to start to think strategically.
00:17:45You've got to start to think more long-term.
00:17:47And it's great to see what's happened at the border,
00:17:50for it to go down by 96, 98 percent, whatever, in two months,
00:17:54when they said you needed some convoluted bill to be able to secure the border.
00:17:57That was obviously a lie, but it's been proven to be a lie.
00:18:00But you can just as easily reopen the border like Biden did.
00:18:04I mean, he reopened the border.
00:18:06He was flying people in.
00:18:08They were literally going to foreign countries and flying people in to the country
00:18:12and dumping them all over the United States.
00:18:15And that happened for four years.
00:18:17So we've got to get this into law,
00:18:20and I think Congress really needs to be way, way more aggressive than what they've been so far.
00:18:26Zara, give us an update on where we are on the wall.
00:18:30First of all, the government is giving me flashbacks.
00:18:33I woke up pissed off for four years under the Biden administration.
00:18:37I'm getting flashbacks.
00:18:41I love my job now.
00:18:44I worked for the greatest president of my lifetime, Donald Trump.
00:18:48Where are we at?
00:18:52In four weeks, we arrested more criminal aliens in the interior of the United States
00:18:56than Joe Biden did in a year, first of all.
00:18:59Second of all, the border numbers right now are down 96%.
00:19:0296% decline in six weeks.
00:19:06We did it in six weeks, which Joe Biden refused to do in four years.
00:19:10And what we needed as a president articulated during the speech,
00:19:14all we needed was a new president, a new administration,
00:19:18who took border security seriously, and that's what we have in President Trump.
00:19:2196% decline on border crossing.
00:19:24But here's the most important part, what I think is the most important part,
00:19:27gotaways.
00:19:30Under Joe Biden, we got 2.2 million people across the border,
00:19:33weren't apprehended, weren't fingerprinted, weren't vetted.
00:19:362.2 million people came into this country,
00:19:39and we got them on video, drone traffic, sensor traffic.
00:19:42They weren't apprehended because Border Patrol was too busy.
00:19:45Changing diapers, making baby formula,
00:19:48taking care of the humanitarian crisis of people coming across that border by the millions.
00:19:512.2 million people crossed the border.
00:19:54We don't know who they are, where they came from, why they're here.
00:19:57Gotaways by average were 1,800 a day under Joe Biden.
00:20:001,800 people a day crossed this border and weren't apprehended
00:20:03because Border Patrol was so overwhelmed.
00:20:06The gotaway number yesterday, 41.
00:20:0941, 1,841.
00:20:1241, 1,841.
00:20:15That means less people are entering this country
00:20:18that we don't know who they are.
00:20:21When you have the border, and here's where I keep preaching,
00:20:24but the left keeps pushing back,
00:20:27when you have a 96% decline in illegal border crossing,
00:20:30when 96% less people are coming,
00:20:33how many women and children aren't being sexually assaulted by the cartels?
00:20:36How many children aren't dying crossing that border?
00:20:39How many pounds of fentanyl is not getting into this country to kill Americans?
00:20:42How many people on the terrorist watch list aren't escaping this country?
00:20:45How many billions of dollars are the cartels not making?
00:20:48A secure border saves lives, and that's what President Trump has done.
00:20:51We were saving lives by the thousands
00:20:54simply because we have a secure border.
00:20:57We got more to do.
00:21:00Look, we were arrested about three times more than Biden did in one month.
00:21:03I already talked about that.
00:21:06We compare his month to our month,
00:21:09we're arrested three times more than Joe Biden did, that's not enough.
00:21:12We need to do 10 times more, because he wasn't doing squat.
00:21:15So the media's been all over me,
00:21:18well, are you happy with the numbers?
00:21:21I'm happy, but I'm not satisfied.
00:21:24We're not going to rest.
00:21:27I'm not going to sleep well at night
00:21:30until every public safety threat, illegal aliens eradicated from this country.
00:21:33I'm not going to relax, and that's when we take action.
00:21:36APPLAUSE
00:21:42I think what we've been reading and hearing from the administration
00:21:45is also striking, amazing partnerships
00:21:48with the state and local governments.
00:21:51But if you go from California to Florida
00:21:54across the southern border, Governor, you can start.
00:21:57I mean, you've passed immediately upon...
00:22:00You've called two special sessions
00:22:03to pass broad-ranging immigration reform.
00:22:06But I don't know if any of the other states have done it.
00:22:09Walk us through the reforms that Florida's passed
00:22:12and what needs to be done in the other states.
00:22:15Well, we've barely been focused on this since I first became governor.
00:22:18My first year as governor, Florida, we finally banned sanctuary cities.
00:22:21And it was something that they had not been willing to do.
00:22:24Part of it was political.
00:22:27You know, you're not going to be able to win Latino votes
00:22:30if you ban sanctuary cities. It was just the opposite.
00:22:33We had a higher approval of that policy
00:22:36amongst Hispanics and Floridians
00:22:39than any other subgroup to ban the sanctuary cities.
00:22:42So we did that.
00:22:45In 2023, we did a series of reforms
00:22:48involving employment verification.
00:22:51We did things to hold illegal aliens accountable.
00:22:54We made sure no...
00:22:57So we've never done driver's licenses or allowed that,
00:23:00but these counties wanted to issue these IDs.
00:23:03We said, you're not allowed to do that.
00:23:06Private organizations aren't allowed to do...
00:23:09I mean, we basically want to remove incentives
00:23:12for people to come illegally.
00:23:15And so we did a lot over a number of years,
00:23:18but with the election of President Trump,
00:23:21we did a lot of work on the enforcement of immigration laws
00:23:24in the interior of our country.
00:23:27I mean, we had been doing things like the maritime patrols.
00:23:30Remember, a year ago, they said all the Haitians
00:23:33were going to come in because of the instability.
00:23:36Well, we put all our assets there with the Coast Guard,
00:23:39and we... just the Florida interdictions
00:23:42have been almost 18,000 illegal aliens captured at sea
00:23:45and repatriated over the last year and a half.
00:23:48We're putting more resources in.
00:23:51We did the transport program to places like Martha's Vineyard,
00:23:54which, you know, was a big deal.
00:23:57But it was...
00:24:00It was interesting, because it kind of goes in
00:24:03what Tom and Chad are talking about,
00:24:06about TDA, the Venezuelan gangs.
00:24:09Most of the people on that first flight to Martha's Vineyard
00:24:12were Venezuelans.
00:24:15The media tried to say, oh...
00:24:18And I was running for re-election time.
00:24:21They go down to Miami, they find these, and they're like,
00:24:24oh, it's going to be so bad.
00:24:27The governor made a huge mistake.
00:24:30Venezuelans are going to be mad at him and all this.
00:24:33And I didn't really believe it, but, you know, you don't know, right?
00:24:36And so I remember the next time I was in Doral, like a week later,
00:24:39had, like, a group of these guys come up to me.
00:24:42Hey, Venezuelans, thanks for what you did,
00:24:45because they said that Maduro was sending a lot of bad people.
00:24:48President Trump's made this point.
00:24:51And so they saw what was coming in,
00:24:54and they knew that that was not good for the country.
00:24:57So we did that. We did all that.
00:25:00But I knew we had to act quickly,
00:25:03so I called a special session of the legislature
00:25:06to take place a week after the president took office.
00:25:09And I wanted to be able to capitalize on that.
00:25:12So ICE does not have enough personnel.
00:25:15Border Patrol does not have enough personnel and resources
00:25:18to do what needs to be done.
00:25:21So we just say it's their responsibility.
00:25:24We're just not going to get the job done.
00:25:27Like, you have to supplement with state and local.
00:25:30Now, they're going to build up, but under Biden,
00:25:33all this stuff withered because that's not what they believed in.
00:25:36So they built a system where state and local
00:25:39could be deputized to exercise immigration enforcement authority.
00:25:42So under Biden, our Highway Patrol,
00:25:45you could have an illegal alien driving drunk,
00:25:48putting people at risk, even running people over.
00:25:51They don't have a license. They're not here legally.
00:25:54Our guys, they could call ICE and say,
00:25:57hey, will you pick this guy up?
00:26:00But Biden's people weren't picking him up,
00:26:03and they're not here legally.
00:26:06So they're not here legally.
00:26:09So they're not here legally.
00:26:12So they're not here legally.
00:26:15So under this 287G, we've said all jurisdictions in Florida
00:26:18must assist with immigration enforcement.
00:26:21So we have 67 counties.
00:26:24All 67 sheriffs have signed agreements with ICE.
00:26:27Those are not all conservative sheriffs, by the way,
00:26:30but they have a duty on them to do it.
00:26:33Same thing at the municipal level.
00:26:36We're now working through getting police departments to do agreements.
00:26:39And if ICE doesn't want to do an agreement with one,
00:26:42then obviously, but if ICE wants to help, then we're going to do it.
00:26:45You saw this thing where the city council's
00:26:48fighting the mayor and the police chief
00:26:51about whether Fort Myers PD should be involved in it.
00:26:54And it's not a policy question at this point
00:26:57because it's a law.
00:27:00They must be involved in it, and that will happen one way or another,
00:27:03and we will get that done.
00:27:06So we're the only state
00:27:09that called a special session
00:27:12to combat illegal immigration.
00:27:15We're the only state that's imposed
00:27:18an enforceable duty on all local...
00:27:21See, the state, it didn't really matter.
00:27:24We just want to be able to have all the state agencies sign up
00:27:27and let's be part of the solution.
00:27:30We want to be on the team.
00:27:33But the locals...
00:27:36And look, even some conservative, generally conservative folks,
00:27:39some of them are just like, look, it's not our problem.
00:27:42Let the feds handle it, whatever.
00:27:45And it's not that they're going to sabotage it.
00:27:48They just want to focus on other things.
00:27:51I mean, you see all that for sure,
00:27:54but just the sheer number of people.
00:27:57We have almost a million people in the United States
00:28:00that are under final deportation orders,
00:28:03including tens of thousands in Florida.
00:28:06Why aren't they being removed?
00:28:09Why aren't we enforcing the law?
00:28:12But what happens is you cause a lot of stress on social services,
00:28:15schools, emergency room.
00:28:19Florida spent $600 million last year in emergency room
00:28:22for people here illegally.
00:28:25The law says you have to treat, so it's not like there's discretion.
00:28:28So you do that. That has a huge cost.
00:28:31So this is a big problem that affects all aspects of the community,
00:28:34public safety or whatnot,
00:28:37and the answer of just saying we want to sit on our hands,
00:28:40that doesn't cut it.
00:28:43So we leaned in on it, we got it done,
00:28:47and governments are not being part of the solution.
00:28:50We've got a lot of tools, including suspension from office,
00:28:53that we can do.
00:28:56Now, we're working with Tom and his team on some additional operations.
00:28:59We've been doing a lot in Florida,
00:29:02but you're going to see a lot more that's going to happen
00:29:05over the weeks and months, and there is no question.
00:29:08I think of all the law enforcement entities in the United States,
00:29:11there's about 285
00:29:15entities that have agreements with ICE to do this,
00:29:18and the majority of those are in Florida.
00:29:21So it just shows you.
00:29:24Let me just emphasize
00:29:27that the type of cooperation
00:29:30that Governor DeSantis is talking about
00:29:33is absolutely critical.
00:29:36So if you look along that southern border,
00:29:39the state of Florida, the state of Texas are leaning for it.
00:29:42The amount of money the state of Texas has spent
00:29:45during the four years of the Biden administration
00:29:48trying to secure that border because the federal government was just absent from it
00:29:51is tremendous, but you keep going west
00:29:54and you run into New Mexico, Arizona, and California
00:29:57and you don't have the same type of cooperation with federal law enforcement
00:30:00or even there at the state level.
00:30:03You have in New Mexico where they're trying to ban private companies
00:30:06from detaining individuals and deporting them.
00:30:09I think that that's a really important mindset
00:30:12and I think that you see both here in Florida
00:30:15and perhaps maybe even to a lesser extent in Texas
00:30:18that that's what real cooperation looks like.
00:30:21That's when the state and the federal law enforcement
00:30:24are working together to protect those communities
00:30:27and that is a model what Governor DeSantis is doing
00:30:30in here in California and in Texas.
00:30:33That is the model that we need around the country.
00:30:36We see a number of states lending National Guard support
00:30:39and others and I think that's great.
00:30:42There's certainly more that they can do as the Governor's outlined.
00:30:45Having their law enforcement engage in this fight
00:30:48to help Tom and the folks that he's directing
00:30:51I think is absolutely critical
00:30:54and I think more and more Americans, more and more elected officials
00:30:57are starting to understand why that's important.
00:31:00Just to be clear, New College Police Governor
00:31:03has done their 287G to cooperate.
00:31:06Nice.
00:31:09That was another thing.
00:31:12In this special session, I talked about we had worked on removing
00:31:15magnets and incentives to come
00:31:18but one of the things that had been done in Florida
00:31:21I think 10 years ago, 12 years ago before I was a Governor
00:31:24was doing in-state tuition discounts
00:31:27for illegal aliens
00:31:30and I'm just thinking to myself, why are you giving a discount
00:31:33but yet you live in Valdosta, Georgia
00:31:36and you're a U.S. citizen and you've got to pay a lot
00:31:39it just makes no sense.
00:31:42As part of this package, that provision
00:31:45was repealed from Florida law.
00:31:48It's like these folks make
00:31:51states can make bad policy in the past but if you correct it
00:31:54I think that's a really good sign.
00:31:57We've been working to get that done the entire time I was Governor
00:32:00we almost got it in 23
00:32:03it always would magically fall out of the bill before the bill passed
00:32:06and then this time we were like, alright, we've got to get it done
00:32:09so I think that's really, really good
00:32:12and I think New College being a part of the solution
00:32:15is great as well.
00:32:18And just to be also clear, I voted against that bill 10 years ago, Governor.
00:32:21And it's where I learned my first good lesson
00:32:24when someone says to you that you're on the wrong side of history
00:32:27it means you really are on the right side of history.
00:32:30Having said that though, the incentives are a real issue
00:32:33and I think the biggest incentive, and I'll go to you, Zar
00:32:36what about birthright citizenship?
00:32:39I mean, you just get across the border, you get here
00:32:42and you're born here, you're a citizen
00:32:45is that something that needs to change?
00:32:48Well, I'll say this is an enticement
00:32:51to a lot of things in immigration
00:32:54for example, under President Obama
00:32:57a lot of families came across
00:33:00a lot of single females came across
00:33:03and Jay Johnson was the secretary at the time
00:33:06and I respect Jay Johnson
00:33:09didn't agree with him all the time
00:33:12but his door was always open, he heard me out, right?
00:33:15So despite all the hate on Trump
00:33:18President Obama approved a family operation
00:33:21where these family groups who've been ordered removed
00:33:24because they lost their case
00:33:27and 90% of people who claim asylum at the border
00:33:30will end up with order removal because they simply don't qualify for asylum
00:33:33they come here for a better life, I get that
00:33:36but they're not escaping fear and persecution from their home government
00:33:39because of their race, religion, and political affiliation
00:33:42to make a fraudulent asylum claim
00:33:45so President Obama approved this
00:33:48to go look for these people and deport them
00:33:51we went looking for them
00:33:5444% of these family units
00:33:57the mother's already had a U.S. citizen child
00:34:00or was pregnant with a U.S. citizen child
00:34:03despite all the hate that's out there
00:34:06and people attacking this
00:34:09that is a driver for illegal immigration
00:34:12the use of social services
00:34:15it's a driver of illegal immigration
00:34:18birthright citizenship
00:34:21Russia and China, the two biggest countries
00:34:24they come here on a tourist visa and they're pregnant
00:34:27they have a U.S. citizen child while they're here
00:34:30they're not here to be a tourist or a visitor
00:34:33they're here to have a child and become a U.S. citizen
00:34:36so I think the Supreme Court finally needs to answer that question
00:34:39the U.S. citizen has a child in this country
00:34:42is automatically a U.S. citizen
00:34:45when they keep going back to the Wong case
00:34:48the Wong was actually here under immigration control
00:34:51they were here legally
00:34:54they weren't citizens but they were here legally
00:34:57they were here under the control of the government
00:35:00so we'll see what the Supreme Court says
00:35:03I hope the Supreme Court will decide the right way
00:35:06I know I've got some haters out there and I love that
00:35:09because I'm not running a popularity contest
00:35:12when people say this is just innocent illegal immigration
00:35:15there is no such thing
00:35:18because if you wore my shoes for 34 years
00:35:21there's a whole ugly underbelly of illegal immigration
00:35:2431% of women that make their journey get sexually assaulted
00:35:27fact
00:35:30while I'm talking to you right now
00:35:33it's a big deal
00:35:36that's the border
00:35:39unless that's happening
00:35:42illegal immigration is not a victimless crime
00:35:45I've done it for a long time
00:35:48and it's the right way and wrong way to enter the
00:35:51greatest country on earth
00:35:54we've got millions of people standing in line
00:35:57doing their background investigation
00:36:00They can claim they're asylum seekers all they want, okay, they're seeking asylum.
00:36:04But here's what you need to understand.
00:36:06Nearly 90% of everybody that claims asylum on our southern border end up with an order
00:36:11removal, which is why we need to do a massive deportation operation.
00:36:15Everybody says, well, what a racist thing to say.
00:36:17No.
00:36:18When you have a massive illegal alien crisis on our southern border, by the millions, and
00:36:23we know 90% don't qualify for asylum, people on the left can say they have a right to claim
00:36:29asylum.
00:36:30They have a right to see a judge.
00:36:31They have a right to due process.
00:36:33And we made that happen.
00:36:35But due process doesn't mean squat if the final decision of the courts isn't carried
00:36:40out and executed.
00:36:41That's what due process is.
00:36:43So since 90% of millions of people came across the border to be order removed, those orders
00:36:47have to be executed.
00:36:48And if they're not executed, then what the hell are we doing?
00:36:51Just shut down immigration court doesn't mean anything anymore.
00:36:54Take the border patrol off the border.
00:36:56We need to send a message to the whole world.
00:36:58There's a right way and wrong way to come to this country.
00:37:01There's a legal way to do it.
00:37:02You want to be part of the greatest nation on earth.
00:37:05Breaking our law shouldn't be the first thing you do.
00:37:08I mean, I think the biggest enticement to come is employment and then in places like
00:37:20California benefits like taxpayer benefits.
00:37:24But I think birthright citizenship is also an enticement.
00:37:28And that was not what the 14th amendment was ever intended to do with respect to illegally
00:37:33crossing the border and then giving birth here in the United States.
00:37:37The purpose of the 14th amendment was to overturn the Dred Scott case, which said that basically
00:37:43blacks could not be US citizens.
00:37:45Dred Scott was a freed slave.
00:37:48He sued.
00:37:49The Supreme Court said he can't be considered a citizen.
00:37:51Lincoln rightfully attacked that ruling.
00:37:56Lincoln was not even going to.
00:37:57And he said that you shouldn't comply with the ruling.
00:37:59You know, you hear some of these people talk, oh, they're not following corridors.
00:38:02Read what Lincoln said about Dred Scott.
00:38:05Lincoln did not submit to Dred Scott.
00:38:07And so when you had time for the 14th amendment, that was written in there to to nullify the
00:38:13Dred Scott decision.
00:38:15And that was specifically meant to deal with the issue of African-Americans, particularly
00:38:21after after the abolition of slavery.
00:38:24Now, and Tom makes a good point, because in law school, we're even taught, oh, the
00:38:27Supreme Court's already decided anyone born here is a citizen.
00:38:31And you and I and I used to think that was the law until I started really looking at
00:38:35it.
00:38:36But this Wong Kim case from the 1880s or 90s, you had two Chinese nationals who legally
00:38:43immigrated to the United States.
00:38:45And then they had a and then they said under those circumstances that that was birthright.
00:38:50But that's a lot different than people coming in, contrary to what the law is, where the
00:38:56the American people have never, through their elected representatives, provided that pathway
00:39:01to come just across the border.
00:39:03So it's definitely a live issue.
00:39:05I think the Supreme Court will will tackle it.
00:39:09Look, I don't know that I would be heavily optimistic that they'll rule the right way.
00:39:15I think it's possible.
00:39:17But I think it's very much a jump ball.
00:39:19We know how three of them will rule the opposite.
00:39:22They will say, you know, as long as you get across, you get across that border legally
00:39:26a minute later, give birth or say that's what the Constitution somehow was supposed to be.
00:39:30We know that's not what what is there.
00:39:32And it's not honestly what the text says.
00:39:34But it is going to be it is going to be litigated.
00:39:36I think the president was right to do the executive order.
00:39:39He knew that this was going to end up in the courts.
00:39:43And that's that's fine.
00:39:44I mean, this this this is the type of an issue where a Supreme Court would end up having
00:39:49the ability to pass a judgment on.
00:39:51But let's just be clear how this has developed over the last many decades.
00:39:56No one at the time the 14th Amendment was ratified would have said that was appropriate.
00:40:02And if you had told them that's what was going to happen, the 14th Amendment as written would
00:40:06not have even been ratified.
00:40:07Yeah, I agree.
00:40:09I think this idea that and I think President Trump was in his team was very smart.
00:40:15You know, the executive order is very specific about birthright citizenship and they knew
00:40:20it was going to get into the court.
00:40:21So I certainly agree with that.
00:40:23But they started focusing on those folks that come to the United States illegally and whether
00:40:27they have or their children have a right to citizenship here.
00:40:30And I think that is something that certainly needs to be decided.
00:40:33But Tom brought it up and the governor's brought it up, this idea that you have a right to
00:40:37asylum or you have a right to a student visa, right, the Columbia student who is being deported,
00:40:43or that you have a right to a green card.
00:40:45I think the left has misconstrued that for so long.
00:40:48You don't have a right to any of that.
00:40:50That is a benefit.
00:40:51That is a discretionary benefit that the United States government provides you.
00:40:55And embedded in that are restrictions and things that you need to do to adhere to that.
00:41:00And so this idea that you can't deport students or this idea that you can't deny green cards
00:41:06or even remove people with green cards, of course you can.
00:41:08That's a discretionary benefit in immigration law that the United States government provides.
00:41:13And when you don't adhere to certain principles and certain requirements, well, guess what?
00:41:17You don't have a right to that.
00:41:19That can be withdrawn and you can be removed.
00:41:21So a lot of this that we've talked about here is just getting the American people to think
00:41:26about what they've been sort of told for so long.
00:41:29People have a right to certain things.
00:41:32If you look at the law, which Tom and others do quite often, that's actually not the case.
00:41:37And I think what President Trump and the team is doing this time around, we did it, what
00:41:42I call Trump 1.0, we did it there as well, is actually looking at the law and actually
00:41:47adhering to the law and administrating an immigration system how it was supposed to
00:41:52be designed, not how it's been conceived over many decades.
00:42:03I think part of the problem that you're hearing, and I'll give this to you first, Czar, is
00:42:10we live in Florida and we have Governor DeSantis.
00:42:13And when we have local officials, I don't care if it's in the judiciary or county commissioners,
00:42:18city mayors, it doesn't matter, not following the law, he exercises his constitutional authority
00:42:24and removes them.
00:42:26But you have other states, you know, and to your point, Governor, California, not only
00:42:29are they not following the law and saying they're not going to follow the law, but they're
00:42:32even giving more and more incentives to break the law.
00:42:36And I will say on my way in, I did notice that Gavin Newsom's across the street protesting.
00:42:45But what do you do with these states and these governors like Gavin Newsom and these leaders?
00:42:50And you've said you talk about criminal prosecutions, Czar, what do we do to rein in these individuals
00:42:57who think that the rule of law does not apply to them?
00:43:00Well, luckily we got Pam Bondi as the attorney general who's going to sue these people.
00:43:08And I've been clear when it comes to sanctuary, they say, well, we're welcoming community,
00:43:13we're a sanctuary city.
00:43:15And their justification is we want victims and witnesses of crime, if they're illegal
00:43:21aliens, victims and witnesses of crime to feel comfortable coming to law enforcement
00:43:26and not think they'll be turned over to ICE because we're not working with ICE.
00:43:29Okay, that's bullshit, first of all.
00:43:34Because victims and witnesses of crime don't want the bad guy in the neighborhood either.
00:43:39Right?
00:43:40So what ICE is strictly want, we want access to the jail where they chose to lock somebody
00:43:46up because of the public safety threat.
00:43:49That's the person we want to talk to.
00:43:51We don't want to talk to the victim witness at all.
00:43:54Matter of fact, if we did talk to the victim, it might end up with a visa if they're a victim
00:43:57of a crime.
00:43:58But we want to talk to the bad guy.
00:44:00And I can't believe there's any elected official, whether it's a governor, a mayor, or a city
00:44:03council person, like what's happening down in Fort Myers area, that doesn't want public
00:44:09safety threats removed from their community.
00:44:11Their number one responsibility is the protection of the community.
00:44:15So why would any elected official not want public safety threats removed from their community?
00:44:19Because that's what ICE is doing.
00:44:21As far as sanctuary states, sanctuary cities, they're not going to stop us.
00:44:24We're just going to keep doing what we're doing.
00:44:26We'll double the manpower there.
00:44:28But here's the issue.
00:44:30Sanctuary cities are going to get exactly what they don't want.
00:44:33More agents in the community and more collateral arrests.
00:44:36Now the media is all over right now.
00:44:38Well, a big part of these criminal arrests are actually non-criminals.
00:44:41Yes, they are.
00:44:42Where do these collateral arrests happen?
00:44:45Sanctuary cities.
00:44:46Why?
00:44:47Because you forced us in the community to find a bad guy.
00:44:52So when we find the bad guy, he's probably with others.
00:44:55Others that are in the country illegally, but maybe not a criminal alien.
00:44:58They're coming too.
00:44:59We're going to force immigration law.
00:45:02Unlike the last administration under Mayorkas and Biden, they told ICE agents, immigration
00:45:07officers, you cannot arrest an illegal alien for simply being here illegally.
00:45:12They wrote, here's the executive branch rewriting statute.
00:45:16They told ICE officers, you can't enforce the law unless they convicted a serious crime,
00:45:20you can't arrest them.
00:45:21Well, that garbage is over with.
00:45:23If you're in a country illegally, you got a problem.
00:45:26Now we're going to prioritize public safety threats first, and that's what we're doing.
00:45:31But it's not okay to be in this country illegally.
00:45:34It's against the law.
00:45:35It's not okay to cross the border illegally.
00:45:37It's a crime.
00:45:38And we'll deal with it in a prioritized fashion, which is exactly what we're doing.
00:45:42But here at the sanctuary city, here's the problem.
00:45:45We just want access to get a bad guy in jail.
00:45:47One agent can apprehend a bad guy in the safety and security of a jail where everybody's safe,
00:45:53the officer's safe, the community's safe, and the alien's safe.
00:45:57But when you force this in the community, it puts officers at great risk.
00:45:59Now they have to arrest a criminal alien and disturb, we ask access to who knows what weapons.
00:46:04It puts the community at risk of further crime.
00:46:06Releasing a public safety threat back in the public is just dumb.
00:46:11Give us the guy in the jail.
00:46:13And I would say any elected politician, you go to the immigrant community,
00:46:16because look, the immigrant community, even those who are here illegally,
00:46:21despite them being here illegally, the vast majority are family people.
00:46:25They want to raise a family, and they're God-fearing people.
00:46:27And they don't want pedophiles in their neighborhood either.
00:46:30They don't want someone arrested for DUI ten times in their neighborhood either.
00:46:34Go to an immigrant community and ask one question.
00:46:36Would you rather have ICE in the jail or your community?
00:46:39What do you think they're going to say?
00:46:40The jail.
00:46:41Because they don't want public safety threats running around their community either.
00:46:44And where do most TDA and MS-13, who do they victimize?
00:46:48The immigrant community.
00:46:49So I'm sick of the sanctuary city politicians saying we're protecting the immigrant community.
00:46:53No, you're not.
00:46:54When you set a public safety threat, you're putting the immigrant community at greater risk of crime.
00:46:59You're putting the victim and witness that you're saying you're protecting at greater risk of retribution.
00:47:04Let ICE agents in a taxpayer-funded jail to take the bad guy not only out of the community,
00:47:09but out of the country and make this country safer.
00:47:12Every criminal alien that we remove from this country makes this country safer.
00:47:17Every single one of them.
00:47:18We're going to do it one at a time, and we're going to make this country safer at the end of this four years.
00:47:23Guaranteed.
00:47:24I think I want to just underscore something Tom said.
00:47:34Yes, obviously, if you have Venezuelan gang members, that's going to be a priority for law enforcement.
00:47:40And it should be.
00:47:41But that doesn't mean that people who are here illegally, who are not part of this gang,
00:47:46or have not been convicted of a crime, that somehow that means you're fine.
00:47:50Like, oh yeah, nothing wrong.
00:47:51But you do hear this rhetoric where you have law enforcement say, oh, well,
00:47:56if you come illegally and you commit crimes, then we're going to go after you, but not somehow short of that.
00:48:02If that's the case, you have 20 million people here illegally, I don't know what the number is.
00:48:07But I would guarantee you the overwhelming percentage of those people have not been convicted of separate crimes since they've come.
00:48:15So if you say the only trigger for being deported is being convicted of a separate felony in the United States,
00:48:21then you are basically saying we have a de facto open border.
00:48:25If you don't have interior enforcement, you do not have control of your country.
00:48:30And so one of the things, one of the reasons why we wanted to do what we do, highway patrol,
00:48:35all these other guys, is because they have interactions with people who are here illegally,
00:48:41who have not been convicted of a separate crime.
00:48:44I know, by the way, in the special session, we made it a crime to enter Florida illegally,
00:48:49and we created an enhanced felony if you're in Florida after previously being deported.
00:48:53That's a state level that we can hold you accountable.
00:48:56So it's not true to say you haven't committed a crime if you cross the border illegally.
00:49:00But there needs to be routine interior enforcement, and
00:49:05you cannot say that people who are here illegally are scot-free up and
00:49:11until the time they actually commit a separate criminal offense.
00:49:15I want to get them out before they commit an offense against someone.
00:49:18Why would we want more victims to be able to do?
00:49:21So there's a priority, there's limited resources, and you have to apply that intelligently.
00:49:26But we cannot have this rhetoric, and you hear it a lot on Republicans, will say that, okay,
00:49:32yeah, we're only interested in people who have committed these serious crimes once they've come here.
00:49:37And we're somehow not interested just because you came in illegally.
00:49:41That's not the state of Florida's policy.
00:49:43We're holding you accountable if you've entered the state of Florida illegally,
00:49:47as you should be held accountable for.
00:49:49And if I can put, let me put stop for you a sec, because the governor is exactly right.
00:49:56The message you want to send to the whole world is, enter this country illegally,
00:49:59which is a crime, just don't commit another crime, you're good to go.
00:50:02You're never going to solve the border crisis.
00:50:05You're never going to fix it.
00:50:07That's why we have to do what President Trump is doing.
00:50:10Congress can fix the system if they want, I don't have a lot of faith they're going to,
00:50:15but we need to send a message to the whole world.
00:50:17It's not okay to enter this country illegally.
00:50:19And let me tell you why.
00:50:20Under Joe Biden, on an average day under Joe Biden, 70%,
00:50:26seven zero, percent of border patrol agents are pulled off the line
00:50:29to take care of this humanitarian crisis, right, 11,000 a day.
00:50:33And they were actually changing diapers, making sandwiches, making baby formula,
00:50:37taking people to the hospitals, dealing with this humanitarian crisis.
00:50:40When you take 70% of agents off the line, in some sectors in the last couple years,
00:50:46they pulled every single uniform off patrol because they have overcrowding.
00:50:50And the only thing the Biden administration was concerned about, we can't have overcrowding
00:50:54because the cameras cut that, we can't claim the border secure,
00:50:57we got overcrowding these facilities.
00:50:59So their number one priority was process quickly, release quickly,
00:51:03because there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see.
00:51:06But when you overrun the border, 70 to 100% of agents pulled off the line, what happened?
00:51:11Enough fentanyl came across the border to kill a quarter million people.
00:51:16Sex trafficking was up 600%.
00:51:20The death of aliens crossing the border were at a record high.
00:51:244,000 people died crossing the border.
00:51:27Basically because the border patrol wasn't there to pull them out of the river
00:51:30or save them in the desert.
00:51:32Record number of Americans died, a record number of illegal aliens died, sex trafficking up 600%.
00:51:38No one suspected terrorists, over 400 people on the terrorist watch list.
00:51:42In four years, on the southern border, President Trump had 14 in four years.
00:51:46So for those who want to say it's just simple illegal immigration, innocent, no it's not.
00:51:52Because when you overwhelm the system, all these other bad things happen.
00:51:56So securing the border, which we're doing right now at record levels,
00:52:00you're going to see fentanyl deaths decrease, sex trafficking would decrease,
00:52:05deaths of illegal aliens would decrease, the cartels are going to go bankrupt.
00:52:10This is the right thing to do.
00:52:11Secure borders saves lives, and no one can prove anything different.
00:52:16The data speaks for itself.
00:52:18A secure border saves American lives, it saves aliens' lives.
00:52:22That's a fact.
00:52:32Last question before we take to the audience questions.
00:52:35What you're talking about though, you know, you, Governor, said that the Congress is feckless,
00:52:39you said you don't have confidence, because this is my thought is,
00:52:42I remember when the Biden administration took over and I said to my wife,
00:52:46I can't believe it was like nine months they'd been in charge,
00:52:49and how in nine months, you could take this great country,
00:52:52and it was just changing rapidly in a negative way, open borders, lawlessness,
00:52:57no following of the rule of law, it was just like, how could it happen in nine months?
00:53:02The same is true, regardless of how successful you guys are, you're gone,
00:53:06and there's another change in administration, can it change again in nine months
00:53:09without there being permanent legislation passed by Congress, and yet they're feckless.
00:53:15Let's not forget, under Trump one, Trump 45, he had the House and Senate,
00:53:21they didn't help him, and I'm not just talking about Democrats,
00:53:24there's not Republicans on health, they need to lead too.
00:53:27Yeah.
00:53:28So, bottom line is, now we have both again, and as Governor Sanchez said,
00:53:32we're not getting what we need.
00:53:33So, they didn't learn a lesson from the first administration,
00:53:35I was hoping and praying they'd learn a lesson, let's hope they come through,
00:53:38but you're exactly right, he had the House and Senate, Trump 45's got the House and Senate 47,
00:53:43what have they done?
00:53:44Nothing.
00:53:45So, hopefully they wake up, or some Republican senators in Congress need to lead too,
00:53:49we need to vote them out because they're not doing the right thing.
00:53:52Well, so much of the modern Congress is just performative, it's just political theater,
00:54:00it's not substantive, they're not engaged in the business of accomplishment,
00:54:06it's all about putting on a show to be able to get returned to office
00:54:10and stay there for as long as possible.
00:54:12It's one of the reasons why I think we need term limits for members of Congress,
00:54:16which I think would be really good.
00:54:20But it just needs to be, because it's just like, you know, you turn on cable news
00:54:25and you got these guys jabbing, it's like, what have you done?
00:54:28Okay, I know you like to jab, I know you like to talk, what have you actually done?
00:54:34You've been in now for, so President Trump's only been in for 60 days, a little bit more than that,
00:54:39Congress was in almost, you know, two weeks, three weeks before that,
00:54:42so since January 3rd, what have they done?
00:54:45How many weeks have they had off for fundraising and junkets and all this other stuff?
00:54:50And why aren't they really attuned to what needs to be done to deliver support for the President's agenda?
00:54:57But just as importantly, solidifying these changes so that it is actually in law.
00:55:03And don't say it can't be done.
00:55:05Biden, they only had 50 senators when he came in, they had a very narrow majority in the House.
00:55:10Did that stop them from doing all this stuff?
00:55:13They did a lot of bad legislation, but they did it, they got it done.
00:55:18You look in the 90s, Republicans or Congress, I mean, when Clinton was president,
00:55:22they passed very tough immigration laws back then.
00:55:25It's popular.
00:55:26And so I don't even see an effort really to push this forward.
00:55:30And the thing is, is when you have a new president come in,
00:55:32you have a certain period of time where you have a lot of momentum, right?
00:55:36Just political physics, naturally, the momentum for
00:55:39the first 100 days is gonna be greater than the momentum two years later.
00:55:43That's just the way politics works.
00:55:46And what I just see is I don't see them really in Congress working to seize the moment.
00:55:53And to understand that this is different,
00:55:55that we actually have a chance to really make serious changes.
00:56:00I see the President doing things that are really, really transformative.
00:56:04But I don't see the same energy from Congress.
00:56:06And so the answer is, is almost anything the President is currently doing could be undone.
00:56:12Now, these guys build the border wall.
00:56:14That's hard to undo, cuz you have to tear.
00:56:17That's one of the reasons why I support it.
00:56:19It's easy to stop building it.
00:56:20When Biden came in, he stopped all the construction.
00:56:23He left the fence there.
00:56:24He tried to sell the fence right before he left office, and that was stopped,
00:56:29thankfully, but stuff that's done by executive can be done.
00:56:34And just the flip side is Biden passed things through the Senate with
00:56:38the so-called reconciliation with 50 votes, Inflation Reduction Act,
00:56:42all these things, trillions of dollars of waste.
00:56:46The Congress now, we have 53 Republicans.
00:56:48We could repeal all of Biden's spending policies in the upcoming reconciliation,
00:56:54and yet they're not even proposing to do all that.
00:56:58So look, it is what it is.
00:57:01And so we just gotta hope that these guys on the administrative side are able to get
00:57:06as much done as possible, and maybe that creates enough momentum where
00:57:10no one in the future would wanna reel it in.
00:57:13And I do think the Democrats privately admit that Biden's open border was one of
00:57:17the key factors in them losing the White House, because it was just so
00:57:21outrageous and indefensible that a lot of voters who may have voted Democrat in
00:57:26the past were really disenchanted by that.
00:57:29But you gotta get this stuff into law, and it's not always easy.
00:57:33Washington's tough, but I don't even see an attempt to do it, and
00:57:37I think that should frustrate all of us.
00:57:39I agree.
00:57:47I say to my wife that if the only two things that happen in the Trump
00:57:50administration, notwithstanding all the great work you guys are doing,
00:57:54are term limits and a balanced budget amendment.
00:57:56The country's saved for another 200 years.
00:57:58And it's really what we have to- Well, Florida has done this.
00:58:01So we at the legislature, under Article 5, has done term limits, and
00:58:06we need enough states to do it.
00:58:09We've also done a balanced budget amendment.
00:58:10We now have, I think, 28 or 29 states nationwide.
00:58:15If you get 34, that triggers to where this amendment would be debated and
00:58:19potentially sent to the states for ratification.
00:58:22I'm actually gonna be traveling around to some other states where they're gonna
00:58:26think about voting on it and urge the legislatures to do it.
00:58:31Because the reality is, if we'd had a balanced budget amendment in place 25
00:58:35years ago, the country wouldn't be $36 trillion in debt.
00:58:38That's just a fact.
00:58:40If you look at Florida, we have a balanced budget requirement.
00:58:43And what have we done?
00:58:44Since I've been governor, we've paid off the state over 180 years,
00:58:49the debt that Florida racked up.
00:58:50We've paid off 41% of it just in the last six years.
00:58:54So we have the lowest debt per capita of any state in the country that has state debt.
00:58:58And so it can be done, and I understand it's more difficult in Washington because
00:59:03of everything, but left to their own devices, this is another kind of thing.
00:59:07Even if they get a balanced budget this year, which they're not gonna do, but
00:59:11even if they did, future congresses can unravel that.
00:59:15They say they'll do these spending deals where they'll promise to cut spending
00:59:20ten years from now.
00:59:22So even if that was something that made fiscal sense,
00:59:26there's no way to enforce that, new congresses get in.
00:59:28So I agree with what Richard's saying.
00:59:32You gotta have structural reform to change the behavior of that institution,
00:59:38because it's a failed institution at this point.
00:59:41And they're not just gonna voluntarily turn it around.
00:59:45Let's start with you, a question from the audience, Secretary.
00:59:53What do we do with the use of migrant workers?
00:59:57I mean, I remember when we were fighting for some of these e-verify,
01:00:01the biggest groups against us were large industries who were using
01:00:05immigrant workers, and yet that's also a threat to our security.
01:00:09What do we do?
01:00:11Well, yeah, I mean, obviously, e-verify should be mandatory.
01:00:13Right now, it's voluntary in many parts of the country, so
01:00:17it needs to be mandatory.
01:00:19Look, this idea, and I keep hearing this, which is, as President Trump and
01:00:24Tom and others, they're gonna deport the labor force, and
01:00:28that's gonna have a devastating effect on the economy.
01:00:30I don't subscribe to that.
01:00:32As Tom has indicated, obviously, they're focusing on criminals and
01:00:35criminal actors.
01:00:36So whether they work in ag, or whether they work anywhere,
01:00:38you want criminals out of your community, and
01:00:40I think that's critically important.
01:00:42There are legal ways to get certain groups, agricultural workers,
01:00:46seasonal workers, right?
01:00:47You got H-2A, H-2B, you got H-1B, high-skilled visas.
01:00:51You got a number of visa programs that are designed,
01:00:54they're just mismanaged.
01:00:55They're mismanaged, they've been abused over time.
01:00:59And so, again, this is, we'll come back to Congress.
01:01:01Congress actually needs to do its job and
01:01:03actually reform the legal immigration system.
01:01:06So that we have workers here for the economy built today,
01:01:11not an economy of three decades ago.
01:01:14And so it just doesn't work now.
01:01:15And so if you incentivize workers, if you incentivize employers to come in
01:01:19the country, get vetted, do your job.
01:01:22And if you're seasonal, leave, come back the next year and
01:01:25have it repeat over a period of time.
01:01:27You're gonna see both migrants and others take advantage of that,
01:01:31but the system is just broken today.
01:01:35And I think if you talk to anyone that's involved in that or
01:01:37trying to get workers or anything else, it's absolutely broken.
01:01:40We need to do our best to protect American jobs at the same time.
01:01:44And I think that gets lost.
01:01:45So there's a number of things that can be done.
01:01:47But, and cuz I hear from a variety of groups, this idea that maybe we shouldn't
01:01:52target this group or that group because they're really critically important to
01:01:55the economy.
01:01:57Again, I don't subscribe to that.
01:01:59I don't think the economy's gonna fall apart cuz Tom's deporting people.
01:02:01It just doesn't work that way.
01:02:04And so there is a way to bring in the right workforce, a skilled workforce or
01:02:07an unskilled workforce to make sure that, again,
01:02:10we have the economy that we need.
01:02:12Because just from my perch, the United States is the strongest and
01:02:18has the ability to exert power internationally when we have a strong economy.
01:02:22Economic security is national security.
01:02:25So making sure that we have the right workforce,
01:02:27that we have the right economy here, and President Trump's focused on that,
01:02:31is absolutely critically important.
01:02:34Making sure that we get the bad people out of the country is a part of that, but
01:02:36making sure also that we're bringing people into the country on merit-based,
01:02:40right?
01:02:41Get rid of these diversity visa lotteries.
01:02:43Get rid of all this just handing out green cards left and right.
01:02:46Let's bring people in that are gonna contribute,
01:02:49that aren't gonna be on welfare as they come into the country, and focus on that.
01:02:53And unfortunately, that is a role that Congress has to play.
01:02:57They're not good at it, unfortunately.
01:02:59And we'll see if the Trump team can actually push that conversation along,
01:03:05because it needs to happen.
01:03:06Well, and-
01:03:07So when we did RE-Verify, we get reports.
01:03:16Hey, there's all these laborers, it looks like they're going.
01:03:20Our guys would go, they were on these H-2A visas.
01:03:23And so there's no limit to this, right?
01:03:25People can bring in H-2A workers.
01:03:29There's criticism to that program, too, with how it's done.
01:03:32But when they're bringing in illegal migrants, they're doing that cuz they can
01:03:35pay them less than they have to pay an H-2A worker.
01:03:38That's why they're doing it.
01:03:40And so basically, it's a business that is socializing the cost of its operation
01:03:46to taxpayers, because you bring in someone illegally,
01:03:50who pays for their healthcare if something goes wrong?
01:03:52You do.
01:03:53Who pays for their kid's school if they bring in, you pay for the kid's school.
01:03:57Who pays for the effects of traffic accidents, everything?
01:04:00They don't have insurance, so not them.
01:04:03You're gonna have to bear that cost.
01:04:05And so it's a way to just have dirt cheap labor, and
01:04:10then export all the associated costs with that to the general public,
01:04:16rather than hire people legally.
01:04:18And you can hire these H-2A workers, but you can hire people illegally for cheaper.
01:04:23And that's all it boils down to, is just a desire for cheap labor.
01:04:28So the question is, just satiating that, is that the best policy for
01:04:33the United States of America, at the expense of everything else that flows from that?
01:04:38I don't think so, and I think we've chosen to go a different way in Florida.
01:04:43And I also look, they said when we did E-Verify, we got big resorts,
01:04:47we got all this, they said, you're not gonna be able to hire people or whatever.
01:04:52And one, that hasn't been the case in Florida.
01:04:55Yes, we had people that left because of those rules, but
01:05:00you've also been able to hire other people.
01:05:02And what's wrong with expecting our young people to be working part-time now?
01:05:09I mean, that's how it used to be when I was growing up.
01:05:11Why do we say we need to import foreigners,
01:05:18even import them illegally, when teenagers used to work at these resorts?
01:05:24College students should be, all this stuff, it's like you go 30,
01:05:2840,000 in debt to just take loans, but you're not expected to work at all.
01:05:33So I think the priorities have been jumbled, and
01:05:35I think there's absolutely people that would be able to do.
01:05:39And then even these legal programs, I mean, I'm sorry, these H-1B visas,
01:05:43that's used to pay cheaper than Americans, that's why they bring them in.
01:05:46They say, it's the best and the brightest.
01:05:48Well, 75% of H-1B visas come from one country, India.
01:05:54Why? Because that's where all the companies are that are in the process of
01:05:58brokering these visas, so it's devolved into a total scam.
01:06:03You've had situations in Florida where
01:06:06the American workers are training their H-1B replacements.
01:06:11So they get fired, H-1B gets less money to come in, and then they do.
01:06:17And the H-1B is indebted to the company.
01:06:19So if Microsoft brings an H-1B,
01:06:22that person can't just jump to Google or somewhere else.
01:06:25You have to stay with it.
01:06:27So that's another giveaway.
01:06:29And they're operating, at least ostensibly, within the confines of the law.
01:06:34But there's a notion out there that somehow people think, and
01:06:38a lot of elites assert that somehow Americans just don't cut it.
01:06:41And I don't agree with that.
01:06:43And we can't agree with that if we are, in fact, the greatest country in the world.
01:06:48So rule of law will work, following the Constitution will work.
01:06:54And I think our economy will be really, really strong as a result of that.
01:06:59So I agree with everything that's been said.
01:07:07Of course, I'm not an import program in the export program, so
01:07:10I'll deal with the exports.
01:07:11But let me give you one real life example of what happens every day across this country.
01:07:18And this is a true story.
01:07:19I put a new roof in my house, had a storm damage.
01:07:21I had to call six different companies before I got a company that guaranteed me
01:07:24a legal workforce.
01:07:26Well, a father and son showed up, and he was hoping I just need a roof repair and
01:07:29not do a whole roof, because the father and son didn't have the ability to do that.
01:07:33So talking to him, I said, no, I need a whole roof replaced.
01:07:35So I talked to him, I said, well, how long have you been a roofman?
01:07:38He said, here's what he shared with me.
01:07:40He employed 20 US citizens to get on the roof, pay him 20, 25 bucks an hour.
01:07:46But he couldn't win a contract, he went bankrupt because he couldn't win a contract
01:07:49with these other companies that illegal aliens are paying seven bucks an hour to get on the roof.
01:07:53So he couldn't compete.
01:07:54So what happened?
01:07:56He laid off 20 US citizen employees.
01:07:59That happens across this country every day.
01:08:04No one hires an illegal alien, I truly believe, either goodness or harm.
01:08:08Work them harder, pay them less, and undercut their competition.
01:08:12So this is about American business.
01:08:13This is about making sure US citizens stay employed.
01:08:16This is about keeping wages at a certain level, not decreasing wages.
01:08:21It's the right thing to do.
01:08:22And there is a way, as Chad said, to bring people in legally.
01:08:27Congress needs to address that.
01:08:28If we need a workforce to do that type of work, there's a process to go through.
01:08:33It needs to be improved, I agree with it.
01:08:34But illegal immigration is not the answer.
01:08:37Again, it's not a victimless crime.
01:08:40If you've seen what I've seen in my career, you might not like me, but you understand me.
01:08:46I've talked to girls as young as nine years old, they were raped multiple times.
01:08:49And when you get on your knees, you talk to a nine year old little girl who had everything innocent and
01:08:54pure stolen from her, ripped from her, who has lost faith in all humanity.
01:08:59That happens on the border all the time.
01:09:01I stood in back of a tractor trailer and 19 dead people at my feet, including a five year old little boy.
01:09:06They all baked to death.
01:09:09You wear my shoes and see the tragedies I've seen at the border.
01:09:12Secure borders, I'll say it again, secure borders saves lives.
01:09:16Illegal immigration is not the answer.
01:09:18Congress needs to do some fixes, but I agree with Governor Santus.
01:09:21The rule of law is what this country's about.
01:09:25And if we keep pushing the rule of law, this country's even going to be greater than it is now.
01:09:29We gotta stand by the rule of law.
01:09:31We gotta great founders of this country when they stand by the principle of what this country's all about.
01:09:36People who come to this country, we're the most welcoming country in the entire world.
01:09:40We bring more refugees and visitors to this country through the legal process than any other country in the world.
01:09:45Matter of fact, almost more than all countries combined.
01:09:49We're the most giving country in the world.
01:09:52And we won't change that, but we gotta have a rule of law because people are dying.
01:09:57Bottom line, that's why I fight as hard as I fight.
01:10:06Real quick, closing thoughts by all three of you.
01:10:12What are the next three and a half years look like in solving the immigration crisis in America?
01:10:18One, two, three things that need to happen, should happen, or hopefully will happen.
01:10:22Well, there's a term that I've been using over these last 50 days, and that word is velocity.
01:10:27The amount of action that the Trump administration has done in these 50 or 60 days has been unprecedented.
01:10:34I hope that continues for the next three and a half years.
01:10:37I hope we don't slow down.
01:10:39I think there's so much change that can be done, not only at the border,
01:10:43not only about removing individuals, but also on that legal side.
01:10:47And really need to fix that, because it is being abused, as the governor said.
01:10:53And so there's a lot that needs to continue to be done on border security and on immigration.
01:10:58So if the pace continues, we'll see if folks can keep up with it.
01:11:04I think there's a lot of folks that are tired.
01:11:06Not Tom, but others, 60 days or so in, but that pace needs to continue.
01:11:13I think that's what the American people voted for last November.
01:11:16They didn't vote for 60 days of it, they voted for four years of it.
01:11:19And so I'm hopeful that that velocity that we see continues
01:11:23across all the fronts that we've been talking about here.
01:11:27APPLAUSE
01:11:32First of all, I got a hard job.
01:11:34You probably don't know this, but I'm 30.
01:11:36LAUGHTER
01:11:40Look, I'm honoured to be on the stage with Secretary Wolf and Governor Sanchez,
01:11:44who's one bad-ass governor. I love him.
01:11:46APPLAUSE
01:11:53They both need a haircut.
01:11:55LAUGHTER
01:11:58We have hair.
01:12:00LAUGHTER
01:12:03Again, it all goes back to the job, Chad.
01:12:05LAUGHTER
01:12:08Look, here's what I want. I said it earlier.
01:12:10I've seen a lot of tragedies in my lifetime who changed me.
01:12:14It made the man I am today.
01:12:16Again, I started in 1984 as a border patrol agent.
01:12:20I was a special agent. I've done numerous investigations.
01:12:23I've seen so much tragedy, so much death,
01:12:26so much terrible things in my life,
01:12:30that I fight hard today because I know every day
01:12:33that we secure that border, we're saving lives.
01:12:36Women aren't being raped, children aren't drowning in the river.
01:12:39And as we remove these public safety threats like TDA,
01:12:42who raped and murdered young women,
01:12:45set a woman on fire in a subway, that's why I fight so hard.
01:12:50So what does the next three, almost, well,
01:12:53just two months shy of four years mean for me?
01:12:56I will start smiling on TV
01:12:59when we remove every illegal alien public safety threat,
01:13:04every gang member,
01:13:06every national security threat from this country.
01:13:08They have no right to be here and they need to go.
01:13:11If they don't want to go on their own,
01:13:13then we're going to hunt them down and we're going to deport them.
01:13:16And I do that with no apology.
01:13:18That's what we're going to do.
01:13:20And if I accomplish that, I can retire for the third time.
01:13:23LAUGHTER
01:13:25APPLAUSE
01:13:32I got the greatest wife in the world,
01:13:34best thing that ever happened to me,
01:13:36I'm sure you're in the same spot as I am,
01:13:38who's been through hell.
01:13:40I got death threats, you see a lot of security detail around me,
01:13:43I got more death threats than you can imagine.
01:13:45You know what? But I'm not going to shut up, I'm not going away.
01:13:48Bring it. Because I'm going to do my job
01:13:51and President Trump is going to do his job.
01:13:53APPLAUSE
01:13:55What I ask you to do, what I need to tell you,
01:13:57here's what I want you to do.
01:13:59You see an ICE agent, you see a border patrol agent,
01:14:01you see a Florida state trooper, you see a cop,
01:14:04walk up to them and just thank them.
01:14:06Because these men and women are putting it on the line every day.
01:14:09While you're sleeping in your bed at 2 o'clock in the morning,
01:14:12there's a border patrol agent standing post on a dirt trail someplace
01:14:15who's going to take something on.
01:14:17A sensor goes off, is it just an illegal alien looking for a better life?
01:14:20Or is it a heavily armed drug smuggler?
01:14:22They don't know, but they're going to take it on.
01:14:24I know because I did that job.
01:14:26So God bless the men and women of the border patrol,
01:14:28God bless the men and women of ICE,
01:14:30and God bless the men and women who carry a badge
01:14:32and strap it to their hip every day to keep us all safe.
01:14:36That's what you need to do.
01:14:38APPLAUSE
01:14:43Well, I think over the next three and a half, four years,
01:14:50we've already established Florida will be leading the states in this fight.
01:14:56We are on board.
01:14:59APPLAUSE
01:15:01And we understand this is a team effort.
01:15:04When you have a federal system where there's states and the federal government,
01:15:10you've got to collaborate, you've got to work together.
01:15:13In fact, we've got a proposal to augment the things Tom's talking about.
01:15:18I know he's reviewed it.
01:15:20I think they're this close to proving and letting us go out
01:15:22and do even more than we've already done
01:15:24over the first two months of the Trump administration.
01:15:26So we're looking forward to that.
01:15:28I'd love to be able to announce something soon.
01:15:30So that's just where we're going to be on all this stuff.
01:15:33We're going to ensure the law is enforced in Florida across the board.
01:15:37We're going to make sure we're doing everything we can
01:15:40to protect the people of the state from, yes, public safety threats,
01:15:44but also just making sure that our state is orderly,
01:15:47that we have a legal workforce and that we're following the rule of law.
01:15:52So we had four years of frustration under the Biden administration
01:15:56where you could have a criminal alien
01:16:00and they were very lackadaisical
01:16:03and even taking those people off the street when you presented to them.
01:16:06It was just the inmates running the asylum.
01:16:09They were flying people in who were coming illegally.
01:16:13I mean, it was a total, total catastrophe.
01:16:15And so there's been remarkable progress made at the border.
01:16:19I knew there would be good progress,
01:16:21but 96% in less than two months is pretty spectacular.
01:16:25But now we need to see the best effort in American history
01:16:29on the interior enforcement.
01:16:31And I know that's what Tom is pushing for.
01:16:33I know there's other folks in the agency.
01:16:35I know that's what President Trump wants to see.
01:16:38And if states like Florida step up, I think we'll be able to achieve it.
01:16:41If states don't do more than what they're doing outside of Florida,
01:16:45that's going to be much more difficult.
01:16:47So we're going to lead the way, but some of this is leading by example.
01:16:51And the number of things that have happened in this country
01:16:53over the last six years in other states
01:16:56that started with Florida leading, showing results,
01:17:00and then citizens in those other states asking their representatives,
01:17:03hey, why aren't you doing what Florida's done?
01:17:05You can write a book about all those things.
01:17:07And so that's what we're going to keep doing.
01:17:09APPLAUSE
01:17:16It's absolutely been one of our greatest Socratic stages.
01:17:20I can't thank you enough.
01:17:21Secretary Azar and Governor, it's been fantastic.
01:17:24Thank you so much for sharing the stage here at New College
01:17:27and go out there and proselytize all you can about the great New College experience.
01:17:32APPLAUSE

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