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Intro 00:00
Pits And Peaks 03:32
Tails From The Trenches 14:48
Case Collections 18:08
Schooling For An Aspiring Surgery Vet Tech In Mixed Practice 25:35
An Update On Neighbor Ben's Dog 33:26
Using AI For Impregnation In Vet Med 34:35
Pre-Vet Student Mentioning The Veterinary Roundtable During Interview 36:42
Outro 38:04
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Intro 00:00
Pits And Peaks 03:32
Tails From The Trenches 14:48
Case Collections 18:08
Schooling For An Aspiring Surgery Vet Tech In Mixed Practice 25:35
An Update On Neighbor Ben's Dog 33:26
Using AI For Impregnation In Vet Med 34:35
Pre-Vet Student Mentioning The Veterinary Roundtable During Interview 36:42
Outro 38:04
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00:00The surgery was done completely fine.
00:02You know why my immune system's so strong?
00:03They let me lick the Walmart floor when I was little.
00:05Oh, gross.
00:06Basically, all the doctors who were there come together.
00:09We pulled the ultrasound, and she
00:11had free fluid in her abdomen.
00:12Because I could tell the mom was grieving one way.
00:15She wanted to talk about it, and then the dad
00:17didn't want to talk about it.
00:18And he just looked so sad.
00:19Oh.
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00:40I'm so sorry that I did that.
00:41Don't let anyone see you.
00:43On screen.
00:45Basic.
00:47I that sound like a hug.
00:49Oh, baby!
00:50Don't touch me.
00:51Don't lion blue.
00:52Oh, yeah.
00:53Oh, that was real.
00:54Yeah, that's me.
00:56That was you, orOff screen.
00:58Take the reigns.
00:59Spotify is really pulling through
01:01because Apple is only up by one.
01:03We're now at 126, previously 125.
01:06But we're not going negative, so that's good.
01:08No, it's not possible.
01:10We still gained on both.
01:11Yeah.
01:12I don't know if it's possible to go negative.
01:14People can delete their comments, right?
01:16I guess that's true.
01:18That'd be rude.
01:19That would be kind of funny when we're like,
01:20wait a minute, we have zero.
01:22Next week is at like 20.
01:27I feel good about six in a week on Spotify.
01:30And our goal on Spotify is 500,
01:32and then we're going to do something else, right?
01:33Yep.
01:33Yeah, but when we get closer, we're going to decide it
01:36and have the filming or whatever date set.
01:40Yes.
01:40So we can deliver quicker than last time.
01:43No delays for the people.
01:45Yes.
01:45No excuses.
01:46All four of us have different schedules.
01:48Yeah, but we'll just be better.
01:49Yeah, we got to be better.
01:50We will improve.
01:51Yes, we will.
01:52Follow us at the Veteran Roundtable.
01:56What did you just say?
01:57The Veteran Roundtable.
01:58Oh, I thought you said the wrong roundtable.
01:59Our name.
02:01That too, I guess.
02:03Instagram and TikTok.
02:04And then we have a YouTube channel
02:06where all the video podcasts will be published
02:08going forward at the Veteran Roundtable on YouTube.
02:12If you want to see our beautiful faces.
02:14Yeah, I mean, and our red scrubs,
02:16and us sitting differently and having our socks out.
02:20Sometimes we don't have our shoes on.
02:22I'm actually going to take them off.
02:22I went my Jeffree socks out today.
02:24Yeah.
02:24What?
02:25The one time I wear shoes, you guys go barefoot?
02:27I don't wear these anymore because they're getting holes,
02:29and I'm sad.
02:30I know I can order new ones, but these are my OG Jeffree socks.
02:33I have a Phyllis and a Frank.
02:34Yeah.
02:35The clinic used to, we don't do it anymore,
02:37but on our birthdays, we would get a pair of socks
02:39with our pets' faces on it.
02:41So that's a great way to lift up morale.
02:44I put these on this morning, and I
02:45meant to put it in the suggestion box today,
02:47but I'm going to have to bring that back.
02:48I know.
02:49Because I think it's awesome.
02:50Yeah, I agree.
02:51And if they only have one pet, just
02:53get them a new pair every year.
02:54Yeah.
02:56I agree.
02:56Bring it back.
02:58I'm Dr. Ashlyn Duckwell.
02:59I'm Devon Fortune.
03:00And I'm Courtney Allen.
03:02And this is the Veterinarian Roundtable.
03:05And we are missing King.
03:06She ditched us for Tennessee.
03:08Yeah.
03:08Not the first time.
03:09Lame.
03:09Rude.
03:10Lame.
03:11Indiana's better, especially today.
03:14The weather's great.
03:15You were never going to say that again.
03:16You don't mean that.
03:17I don't.
03:18I've always wanted to get out, but it's tack.
03:22Yeah.
03:23All right, pits and peaks.
03:25Who wants to take it away?
03:27Courtney and I share the same peak.
03:29OK.
03:29Well, then I'll just go first real quick here.
03:33My peak is that it was beautiful out.
03:36Got to get outside, sit in the sunshine.
03:38Oh, yeah.
03:38You had the day off.
03:40You had the day off.
03:41Devon, if you're not watching, is
03:43reaching to the back of a pillow.
03:45So I don't know what is happening.
03:47And my pit is, OK, a couple episodes ago, I said,
03:51oh, I got to go on a mom date with kids.
03:54We went to a coffee shop.
03:55Well, that said coffee shop got me and Helen sick.
03:58What?
03:59So all last week, I was fighting a virus.
04:01And it's still lingering a little bit
04:04to where I'm uncomfortable enough to not
04:07be excited throughout the day.
04:09But it's getting better, thankfully.
04:12Are the other people sick?
04:13No, the other family didn't get sick.
04:15How do you know it came from the coffee shop?
04:16I don't.
04:16What?
04:17I'm just saying.
04:19I'm just blaming it.
04:20Charles was traveling, and it was just me and her.
04:22You have a really weak immune system, I feel like.
04:24Oh, no.
04:25My family has immune deficiency.
04:26Yeah, it's a known thing.
04:27Oh.
04:28Like, it's an actual diagnosis.
04:29I did not know that.
04:32I didn't have it.
04:33Mostly my siblings and my parents.
04:35I was the one with the healthiest, ironically.
04:37Wow.
04:38I feel like you're sick more than you're not sick.
04:41Yeah, that's correct.
04:41Helen's been sick more of her life.
04:43Like, legitimately, I have asked to get Helen tested,
04:47because it's just so.
04:48Is there anything you can do about it?
04:50Yeah, my brother gets infusions to boost his immune system.
04:54Huh.
04:54Every week or two weeks.
04:56Oh, wow, that's frequent.
04:57Yeah, so.
04:58Yeah, it's a thing.
05:00I'm not faking it.
05:02It's OK.
05:03She didn't have a diagnosis.
05:04I'll diagnose you.
05:05Yeah.
05:08Hey, you know what my parents always said?
05:10You know why my immune system's so strong?
05:11They let me lick the Walmart floor when I was little.
05:14Oh, gross.
05:14Or just go to the playground.
05:16I don't know if they actually did.
05:16They might have.
05:16I don't know.
05:17If you don't have one there, though.
05:20If you don't have an immune system, that's really not going to help.
05:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:24Yeah, you're right.
05:24When I was young enough, when I was spending most of my life in a barn,
05:28that my immune system's pretty strong.
05:30There you go.
05:31You know, just touch things, people.
05:33Helen will be fine when she's older.
05:35Yeah, she'll be great.
05:36Keep her in the barn.
05:36She's fine, yeah.
05:38Can you stay out here tonight?
05:39She now has barn gym shoes and normal shoes,
05:41because she would wear barn gym shoes and then go to daycare and stuff.
05:45I was like, we shouldn't do this.
05:47She doesn't live in a barn.
05:48She just really likes to hang out in there.
05:50Is that poop on her?
05:52Yes, but it's OK.
05:53What kind of poop?
05:54Duck.
05:55But it's fine.
05:56No, definitely not the duck.
05:57She's nowhere near those bees.
06:00Fireball turns five this year.
06:02She's already five this month.
06:03Who?
06:04Fireball.
06:04That's crazy.
06:05One of my ducks.
06:06She ain't never going to die.
06:07She ain't going to die.
06:08The things that girl has survived.
06:09That's a long life for a duck.
06:10She has seen a lot.
06:12All odds have literally been against her.
06:13That could be an in the trenches story if we don't have any one time.
06:18That's so smart.
06:20We need to jot that down.
06:22Yeah, that's great.
06:23Yeah.
06:24Go fireball.
06:25If you didn't get that, she's a duck
06:29named by my nephews.
06:30OK, should we do our peaks first, Devin?
06:33Sure.
06:33We're going to start with my over there.
06:35Go with your pit.
06:36My pit. OK.
06:37My pit is I think every time I say this, I sound like I feel very like
06:42privileged and kind of bratty, but I've always had leased cars.
06:46OK, so when I first got my driver's license, my parents surprised me.
06:50I know with a leased Civic.
06:54A Honda Civic is brand new.
06:55The reason being, he didn't want a teenager to have to deal
06:58with a whole bunch of car issues, blah, blah, blah.
06:59It was covered because teenagers are stupid anyway.
07:03So then I traded that car and I got another lease.
07:06Yeah. And then I decided not to buy that car.
07:08And so I bought my next car with all cash.
07:10So I own my car currently.
07:12OK, it's a 2013 Honda Pilot.
07:14Yeah. Love my car.
07:16Well, he's having some issues.
07:18Oh, no.
07:19My father-in-law is a mechanic, so usually he handles most things.
07:23But I have to take it to Honda for this problem.
07:26So it's going to a couple hundred dollars, but it's worth it.
07:29Because I own the car.
07:31My transmission. Oh, no.
07:32So the fluid is just needed to be changed a long time ago.
07:36We didn't know that because we thought it was changed when I bought it.
07:38But it wasn't.
07:40So if I hopefully it'll fix the problem
07:43because my car shutters.
07:45So I'll be driving in the steering wheels like it feels like I'm going over
07:49like really, really, really rough gravel.
07:50Yeah. Like the whole car just shakes because the transmission has nothing to run on.
07:54Yeah. So I got to do that this weekend.
07:56On top of taking my husband's truck to get an oil change.
07:59You could do it Thursday.
08:00No, I can't. They don't have appointments.
08:02So I got to get that figured out.
08:04And then there's a couple other weeks.
08:05But my father-in-law can fix this.
08:07So it's just it's like new territory because you have a new car.
08:10You don't really have to worry about anything except oil changes.
08:12But then having a used car, you got to put a little bit more money into it.
08:16But it'll last me a long time, hopefully, because it's taken care of.
08:20So, yep. Just kind of annoying.
08:23More than anything. Yeah.
08:24Our problems are just because it just adds to your schedule on a weekend.
08:26You don't want to.
08:27And you have to spend money to add to your schedule.
08:29Yeah. And when dealing with it.
08:31Yeah. And wintertime slow for my husband's job.
08:34So then more money, more problems.
08:36Yeah. Yeah, it's fine.
08:40More cars, it sounds like.
08:41That's true. Yes, that's true.
08:43It's fine. It'll get fixed, hopefully.
08:45And that'll just everybody say a prayer that after it gets fixed,
08:48I don't have to change my transmission. Yeah.
08:50Because it's so that it wouldn't be.
08:52Well, if you get stuck on the side of the road, you can call me.
08:54OK, great.
08:56Just don't be on a road trip because I'm not going to get you.
09:01Yeah, it'll be fine.
09:03OK. OK.
09:04My pit, I will shed a little bit of light on.
09:07Just waiting for it to pull out.
09:08It's really not that it's a jerky.
09:10It's not. No. What?
09:12I saw jerky sticks over there and I saw you.
09:14No, Courtney. Like, let me talk about my pit.
09:18The audacity, I'm shedding a little bit of light
09:22to the case that Courtney discussed last week.
09:24It was the cat that suffered.
09:27A lot of things and ended up passing,
09:30but I was rather close to the family. I.
09:34That kitty was honestly like my first loyal
09:37and like long term pet sitting client.
09:40Met them a couple of years back when she was just a kitten.
09:43And the past three summers, I've pet sat her for two months at a time
09:47while the family travels across the world.
09:50So I was I was close to her, close to the family.
09:53Like it was just a nice relationship.
09:56So that, of course, hit me hard.
09:57But they elected to crew cremate the kitten.
10:03And she returned today and they were back with their other cat
10:08to get her checked up after everything that went down.
10:10So I had the privilege of returning her to the family.
10:13But full circle is just sad.
10:16We talked about how the whole family was doing.
10:18They have two sons, how the other cat is doing.
10:21So it was nice, but it's difficult because like I could tell the mom
10:26was grieving one way, like she wanted to talk about it.
10:28And then the dad didn't want to talk about it.
10:30And he just looks so sad.
10:32And like the children are grieving differently.
10:35And it's just, yeah, sad, but cats grieving.
10:38Yeah, it's hard when I mean, grief hits you so many different ways.
10:43Yeah, it's just fascinating to see like how they're all grieving so differently.
10:47But I'm sure they appreciate you showing care and compassion and being like,
10:51hey, your cat touched my life, too.
10:52And you guys did.
10:53So, yeah.
10:54And I was there that day when that happened.
10:55So I saw them then and we hugged it out.
10:58But they said that they're doing OK.
11:00But they're talking about getting a kitten because their other cat is so like
11:05she's so active. Yeah.
11:06And she needs a friend.
11:07And when they go to Turkey this summer, she's going to be all alone.
11:11Yeah. Like, yeah, she's going to need a friend for that.
11:13Yeah. Like, so you'll have a ragdoll kitten.
11:15Oh, yeah. Yeah.
11:17They have British short hair and British long hair.
11:19The British short hair is on the pass.
11:20Oh, OK. It was heart failure.
11:22Oh, at three years old.
11:24It was it was an intense, intense day for everybody.
11:28Well, I saw like the recap of it and stuff like that.
11:31But I didn't I wasn't there when it happened.
11:33Yeah. Yeah.
11:35It was just nice to cats may connect with them.
11:38They're a little tickers.
11:39You just they're just.
11:41Take it away.
11:42They never know.
11:43It's a first. Yeah.
11:46OK, well, get on to this peak.
11:47I'm waiting in anticipation.
11:49Clearly, it's OK.
11:50So we both had a really long day.
11:52OK. And we were talking about it and I'm like, we OK.
11:56So I come straight from work to the podcast on Tuesdays.
11:59Now. Yeah. And so then I get home and I don't want to eat dinner
12:03because it's so late.
12:04Yeah. And so our lead came to me and she was like,
12:07you guys want a snack for the podcast?
12:09We're like, yeah, because I had popcorn and that's not a substantial meal.
12:12Yeah. Well, actually, I feel like I should share what I was doing.
12:15I was doing aftercare on a patient.
12:16Oh, sure. And it was it was a bulldog and I was trying to do a nose print.
12:20And you can imagine how that was going.
12:22Oh, yeah. So I called Courtney.
12:23I'm like, hey, what you doing?
12:25So I had her come and give her opinion on my nose prints that I'd had.
12:29And she was eating her popcorn.
12:31And then I left that out.
12:35And then sanitary.
12:37Back to there's a computer overheating or something.
12:41Take cover, blow up and then go back to.
12:45And then Amber asked if we wanted beefsteak.
12:47Beefsteak. And we said, yeah.
12:50So we brought our beefsteak to the beefsteak.
12:53It's not a jerky steak.
12:54Oh, so we both are now going to enjoy our beefsteak.
12:58Beefsteaks are like my favorite snack.
13:00I like don't. Who doesn't love a good beefsteak?
13:02I clearly duck wall.
13:06I have so many comments I just wanted to make
13:09really struggling to open the office joke that he Michael always says.
13:13That's really what I wanted to say.
13:14But I don't want to. I know.
13:16I can't. That's what she said.
13:17That's what I wanted to say.
13:20I mean, I just all got stuck in my permanent.
13:22I don't mind them, but I don't like looking at them.
13:29Like they just look like if you think about it too much,
13:34it's just like to be completely honest, like hot dogs are better.
13:37Oh, yeah. I'll eat a hot dog, but I want to think about it like, oh, no.
13:41Yeah. Don't know.
13:43Because you will vomit. Yeah. Yeah.
13:45There's like no seasoning on it. Yeah. I like the other one better.
13:47I think this is because it's healthier.
13:49Zero sugar, zero sugary.
13:51Mm hmm. I'll stick without the egg.
13:54That's what I said.
13:58Well, for me, a dirty joke
14:01it literally says it on the back of so many jokes
14:04with the beefsteak because its name is a beefsteak.
14:09OK, well, I'm going to let you guys enjoy this.
14:10Another one. Yeah. Do you want to go on above it?
14:14Say it out loud.
14:16Oh, no, it's funny.
14:17Grass fed and finished beef.
14:19Hmm.
14:22I don't know if you have a dirty mind.
14:23Never mind. Continue.
14:28OK, I think I get where you're coming from.
14:30But from the trenches. Yeah.
14:31Do you want to read it?
14:32Well, so we can eat our beefsteak.
14:35Just I'm not going to look at it.
14:36I'm going to go like this.
14:38OK, this is our new section.
14:40Tales from the trenches.
14:41We have our first entry.
14:43So thank you.
14:44Can't wait to see what it says. I did not read ahead.
14:46Did you guys read ahead?
14:47I didn't know. OK, OK.
14:49Hello, VRT.
14:50I heard about your new segment and mentioned it to my husband,
14:52and he said I had to share his favorite story from my last job.
14:56I worked in a shelter that did high volume spay neuter.
14:59One patient we had was a young
15:02chi mix named Princess, who came in wearing a glittery pink collar.
15:06On exam, she looked like a normal, healthy female with a rather large vulva.
15:11When we started her surgery, however, we couldn't locate her uterus.
15:14After exploring a bit, the doctor found what happened
15:17appeared to be internal testes in the inguinal region.
15:22These were sent off for biopsy and turned out to be ovo testes.
15:25Princess was intersex.
15:26Wow. Of course, its name was Princess.
15:28I know, right? Not a.
15:30What's the word I'm looking for?
15:31Monotone.
15:32She set that up right with the pink collar and everything, too.
15:36The comedy started when we needed to reach out to the owner
15:38to let them know what was happening.
15:40The owner was a Spanish speaker, and none of our Spanish
15:43speaking employees wanted to call and tell them that their dog was intersex.
15:46We scrambled around the building and finally found one of our lovely kennel
15:50staff who was willing to call the owner.
15:52Fortunately, the owner thought this was absolutely hilarious and told our staff
15:55that they had always wondered why Princess lifted her leg like a boy dog.
16:00Anyways, I just wanted to share.
16:02We did that about eight thousand spay neuters a year
16:05and found about one intersex animal a year.
16:07So it always stood out.
16:08Thanks for your fantastic podcast.
16:10Kathy Watson RVT.
16:13We have had that happen at our clinic.
16:15Just the one, right?
16:16I've never experienced.
16:17I think we've only had one.
16:18Yeah, it was a blood that I can remember.
16:20Yes, it was. Yeah.
16:21And we sent him out for biopsy and everything.
16:23And it came back as ovotestes.
16:24Yeah. Yeah. So they're out there.
16:26I think Harrison posted something on the All-Star page
16:29because we read the histopath of it or something.
16:31I feel like he documented it at some point.
16:34Oh, OK. Would you say it's that way more so than like
16:37you go in for a neuter and you find a uterus?
16:40Yeah, because you really don't go internal.
16:42I guess that's true.
16:42The only thing I would think thinking through,
16:45I really don't know the science, but like how this happens
16:49and whatever.
16:51Anyways, like the only thing I could think is like
16:53if it's a male, like externally, you see the penis, the prepuce,
16:57but there are crypt orchid or double crypt orchid.
17:00And then when you go in, you're like, wait, these aren't normal testes.
17:04Huh? That would be the only I mean, because otherwise
17:06you're not going in the abdomen.
17:08So, yeah, I wonder.
17:10I'm sure I feel like it'd be more common for it to happen this way
17:15than the opposite way.
17:16I would agree, especially because of the external genitalia.
17:21So, yeah, I would think so.
17:23I don't know. Great story, though.
17:24That's a good story.
17:25Thank you for your submission, because that was a nice little laugh.
17:28I think I mean, it's good.
17:30The owners thought it was hilarious.
17:32I mean, you can't be mad at it.
17:34The owner we had was awesome about it.
17:36Yeah.
17:38Nobody's fault. Yeah. Right.
17:40Just you know, we're not lying.
17:42OK, if you have more ridiculous, funny unhinged stories
17:45that you want us to read off on our podcast, please send in your stories
17:49to the veterinary roundtable at Gmail dot com.
17:51Yes, I've thoroughly enjoyed that.
17:53We try to share our unhinged stories, but it's funny
17:56or when we hear it from other people. Yes. Yeah.
17:59Yeah. Case collections.
18:01OK, we're going to start with Freya.
18:04She is a one.
18:06Yes. One year. One year old ish.
18:09One year old ish.
18:10Great Dane.
18:11She presented to our hospital for a routine spay and gastropexy.
18:17So the surgery was performed without a hitch.
18:22To my knowledge, it was with one of our colleagues.
18:24And the next day she was she kept was in hospital longer
18:29just because she didn't show interest in eating.
18:31Blood work was normal prior to the surgery.
18:33Blood work was normal. OK.
18:35And she was I mean, she was a great Dane.
18:37She was a smaller great Dane, but she was still a large breed.
18:40And hence the gastropexy included.
18:41But anyway. Yeah.
18:43So the next day she really show interest in eating.
18:47But the incision, everything had looked good that morning from the surgeon.
18:51So she stayed throughout the day just for observation, thankfully,
18:54because it was towards the afternoon when myself and Courtney
18:59were in treatment area doing an exam on a dog.
19:02And Courtney kept saying, Freya, stop licking.
19:04What are you licking?
19:05And we just thought it was, you know, she was trying to go towards her incision,
19:09even though she had a surgery suit on and then she kept doing it.
19:13And so our other assistant went up and she's like, oh, there's
19:16there's a little bit of blood.
19:17And then you could eventually like with us looking,
19:19you could see the blood from like her mouth, too.
19:22So we were like, oh, did she bite her tongue?
19:24Like what happened here?
19:26So Freya was we got her out to do another look.
19:29And unfortunately, you could tell there was swelling subcutaneously
19:33along her incision.
19:34And it wasn't just like small blood.
19:36It was a pretty steady like faucet drip coming out.
19:40And then she did have blood in her mouth.
19:42But once we looked in there, it looked like she truly just had a lesion on her tongue.
19:47She had bitten her tongue.
19:48So this day was quite crazy in general at the hospital
19:53with emergency surgeries and low staff
19:57that the surgeon for Freya had to leave early that day due to personal reasons.
20:01So it was just kind of like a all hands.
20:03It was a cluster for the day anyways.
20:06And so this was going to be what the third emergency surgery.
20:10Yes. So we had basically any all the doctors who were there come together.
20:15We pulled the ultrasound and she had free fluid in her abdomen.
20:18So when you have that, obviously you have to go in
20:20and you have to figure out what's bleeding and ligate it.
20:23So between the four of us that were there, Dr.
20:27Ham was the doctor who went in then and she was able to find the bleeder.
20:31She said that there obviously it's a large dog.
20:33So thankfully she was she could afford to lose blood.
20:38Not that you want them to, because she was still pink on observation
20:41and she was alert, bright, everything.
20:44Her PCVTP was normal prior to the second surgery.
20:48She said, Dr.
20:49Ham said that all of the incisions in the sutures
20:53from the gastropexy and the spay were intact.
20:56Everything looked great.
20:57But what was weird, she said, was that there was this vessel or bleeder
21:02that was near the uterine pedicle that was like deeper down.
21:06So it was just one of those unfortunate,
21:10complicated things that happened or complication things that happened
21:14to nobody's fault.
21:15Like this is a good case where it's like this surgery was done.
21:20Yeah, like this surgery was done completely fine.
21:23Yes. And it was the monitoring and the observation of the staff
21:28and like the doctor who did everything was like, oh, she's not eating.
21:32Let's just keep her.
21:33Like all of those things that just showed like you just even though it's routine
21:38surgeries, you still have to take it as each individual case.
21:42And if it's not responding as expected,
21:44you don't just overlook it and say it's probably nothing.
21:47And then having staff in the back like monitoring constantly,
21:51not just saying they're being monitored.
21:53And thankfully, the dog did great.
21:55It was a Friday, of course.
21:56But we were able to perform the surgery and she went to 24 hour
21:59care for observation, went home the next day.
22:04She's doing great. She's doing great.
22:05She came back again and she was doing really, really well.
22:08She was just not pooping as much or something, but she looked fine.
22:11And so, yeah, it was just an unfortunate like complication.
22:17Yeah. Like, I mean, that's the only way you can explain it.
22:19Yeah. It's like, you know, there's going to be like we just don't ever.
22:22I mean, like you said, spays are routine, but it's still a full abdominal procedure.
22:26Like, I feel like sometimes we can tend to forget
22:30that we're still going into the abdominal cavities.
22:32I mean, you do spays so often that you're like, OK, it's a spay, whatever.
22:35Right. It's not like a foreign body.
22:37It's not a cystotomy.
22:38Like it's just whatever. It's just an easy surgery.
22:40But I mean, it's still a spay.
22:41Like it's a full abdominal procedure.
22:44So I think I think it was also a good reminder that it's more intense
22:49than I think we like have in our brains all the time.
22:51Well, not that we're like we are careless about it by any means.
22:54But you just get in that mindset.
22:56Bigger vessels and like a nice eye opener.
22:59Yeah. So I think just if you're going into a spay, just whoever is prepping
23:05the owner to say, hey, these are the complications of a spay.
23:08Yep. Period. It just can happen.
23:10Obviously, we do our best to make sure it doesn't.
23:12And usually it doesn't. So.
23:14Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
23:15Luckily, she recovered very, very well. Yeah.
23:17Yes. She came in, I think, on Monday and was like wagging her tail and everything.
23:20Yeah. The observation saved her life.
23:23Yes. Yeah. Good thing she didn't go home.
23:26Yeah. So does she stay the night after her surgery or she came back in the next day?
23:30OK. No, she stayed the night.
23:32She just because she was from her initial surgery.
23:34Yeah. Yeah. She's a large dog.
23:36And sure. Yeah.
23:39And then we took her to an ER.
23:40Me and a co-worker drove her to an emergency clinic for the owners.
23:45Yeah. Because she was still pretty gorked from surgery.
23:47She was just out of it.
23:49So my co-worker and I offered to the owner for us to drive her.
23:54So they wouldn't have to.
23:55I mean, I don't think anybody really wants to see their dog that.
23:58Well, she's big. And she was like her.
24:00Yeah. We had to put we literally put her on a stretcher.
24:03Yeah. And lifted her.
24:04And she barely fit in my car diagonally.
24:05Yeah. The owner was there and we met her there.
24:07And I think they were grateful.
24:08It was just a lot for them to handle emotionally.
24:11So. Yeah. But I know.
24:12I mean, they were grateful at the end of the day.
24:13So, yeah.
24:15But yeah, she was all taken care of.
24:16And I had a little taxi for her.
24:18She's so cute. She's so sweet.
24:19Yeah. She's cute. And she's so sweet.
24:21Isn't she like kind of grayish?
24:22Yeah. Yeah.
24:23She's a little too. Why am I around her?
24:25She's a great dame.
24:26She looks like a very overgrown Weaver Reiner.
24:28Yeah.
24:30OK, well, that's our case, so.
24:32Yeah. Mm hmm.
24:33It's just good lessons all around.
24:35Yes. Take it away.
24:37Listener question.
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25:25First one.
25:26Hello, I'm a prospective veterinary technician in the New England area.
25:30One thing to know about this region is every state besides Maine
25:33is a no license required state to practice.
25:35And the vast majority of job posting say experience required license preferred.
25:41I shadowed at a small animal general practice on Tuesday
25:44where none of the staff besides the DVM's had licenses.
25:47I want to be a critical care slash emergency tech at a mixed practice
25:51somewhere where you can be at a puppy
25:53well visit and be called away to scrub into a reconstructive surgery
25:56for a pet turtle who got bit by a dog.
25:59Would you recommend schooling for something like this?
26:01Is Penn Foster plus one to two years and small animals GP a good combo
26:08for someone who works who wants to work as a surgical tech
26:11at a 24 seven mixed GP and emergency clinic?
26:15We do have somewhere in the area like that, and they also include specialists
26:18in the same building.
26:20But most of their job postings are for degree holders
26:23or people with five to 10 years experience in GP.
26:26I was originally planning on going into wildlife biology,
26:29but I did not think I could tolerate potentially being unemployed
26:32for entire seasons as wildlife biology has a lot of temporary roles.
26:37But I do have training coming up to learn to be a wildlife
26:40rehabilitate rehabilitator in a month.
26:43So I hope I learn some skills at that training
26:46that can translate over to mixed veterinary medicine.
26:48I love the show, even though I just found it.
26:50I plan to watch all the episodes in order after I watch all the ones
26:54with interesting titles.
26:56Do we know what was wrong with neighbor Ben's puppy badly
26:58and likely? Oh, the patella from Cassandra,
27:02a future vet tech from New England.
27:05We do know, but we'll come back to New England.
27:07That's pretty cool. OK, wow.
27:10Thank you for listening.
27:12Yeah, I mean, going back to the vert.
27:16Don't judge our the editing or the scenery in the early days.
27:20Oh, my God. Yeah.
27:21We were just trying to figure it out.
27:23We're doing our best with what we had.
27:25We're just talking, but we have evolved.
27:27We have. Yeah.
27:29The first question.
27:31Um, first question.
27:33Would you recommend schooling for something?
27:35Basically to be involved in everything?
27:38Mixed practice.
27:39You are. I don't think schooling ever hurts.
27:41I mean, it'd be good to get like a good basis because we learn about many species.
27:47We learn about all the spices.
27:48Yeah, I think you would be more comfortable
27:52as well in your job when you have that baseline knowledge.
27:56Just because if you are interested in truly doing everything,
27:59then it's really going to come in handy to have like that
28:04that book knowledge or clinical whatever through school knowledge,
28:08because it's really hard to just experience alone
28:11to be able to focus all your time on each individual thing.
28:14Yes. That you want to know.
28:15Like we have exotics at our practice, but we have one designated tech for it.
28:20It's it would be really difficult for Devin or Courtney to be like,
28:23all right, I'm going to do a dog and cat,
28:25you know, treatment over here.
28:27But oh, they need me for a bunny, which is completely different.
28:30I'm just learning that it would be a lot, lot slower pace.
28:33Yeah, I was going to say, and you also couldn't learn things
28:35until you see them physically and not everything comes along until it does.
28:39And then it might only happen once.
28:41Yeah. Multiple. Yeah.
28:43So I think I mean, I always think schooling is a great idea
28:46if you have the time. Yeah.
28:47Finances are difficult, too.
28:49So, yep. But I think it's a great idea.
28:52An emergency, you think on your feet.
28:53So it's just it's, again, going to be better to have that
28:57kind of input of knowledge you can get from if it's like.
29:01I think emergency would be a little bit very difficult, actually,
29:05to learn on the job because it's so fast paced and you have to I mean,
29:07you can't sit and be like, hold on, let me look this up.
29:09Or do you know how to do this?
29:10Like you just got to jump in and do it. Yeah.
29:12You don't really have time to think sometimes.
29:15Next question is, is Penn Foster plus one to two years
29:18and small animal GP a good combo for someone who wants to work
29:22as a surgical tech, the 24-7 mixed GP and emergency clinic?
29:28I think if those one to two years are spent like strictly in surgery,
29:33maybe like it might be a good starting point.
29:35But I am almost done with Penn Foster and I've been working at All-Star
29:39for almost three years and I would not be comfortable with that.
29:43Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a good comparison.
29:46But also only like a year of that has been teching.
29:48So. Right. I mean, but it still comes back to it would be better
29:53to get the experience and what you tend what you're going to try to do
29:57with your career. Right.
29:58So can you do Penn Foster plus a couple of years in mixed animal
30:03and not do the emergency part yet or something? Yeah.
30:06Or one or two years of emergency with Penn Foster,
30:08just because that's more of what you're looking and seeking for.
30:12I would worry that if you just did small animal GP.
30:16You're going to get really good at things that you may.
30:18I mean, you'll use, but it's just going to be very it's very different.
30:21It's completely different. Yeah.
30:22Or it might even be nice to work like one or two emergency shifts a week.
30:26Yeah. Shorter. Just to dip your toe in.
30:28Ease into it. Yeah.
30:29And then at some point, you know, go full immersion. But.
30:34Yeah, that might be a lot all at once.
30:36I mean, it also probably depends on what is offered.
30:39I mean, if you can't do any of these combos somewhere in the area like that.
30:46Does that mean like a.
30:48Like it's a GP and emergency in the same.
30:51I think she wants to be a critical care emergency tech at a mixed practice, OK?
30:57She said she wants to be able to do a puppy,
30:59but then also have to go into an emergency, but like have that regular
31:03because like us, we're a GP, we see emergencies, but they're not guaranteed.
31:07Right. We know of any GPs that are emergencies also.
31:12I mean, technically we are.
31:14Yeah, but like, yeah, not guaranteed.
31:17Well, that's why it's just such different medicine.
31:18A lot of emergencies are more of like stabilized triage,
31:22get them stable or whatever, and then send them on to their GP or whoever.
31:27So and then in GP, you just learn a lot of different ways
31:31to communicate in the relationships, which is very different from emergency.
31:35So it would be interesting to see a clinic
31:40that was a GP and then was 24 seven.
31:43We did that for a little bit during COVID.
31:45We had emergency hours during COVID.
31:47Yeah, it was a weird time.
31:49And then King and I worked an emergency shift together.
31:53I think was it Holden?
31:56It was you. He brought us food really late at night.
31:59But King and I literally sat in the doctor's office and watched Netflix
32:02for like five hours and we're like, we're going home.
32:03Yeah, because nobody called. Yeah.
32:06I think I had a couple, but it was either it was a nail trim and ears or something.
32:09Yeah. I kind of wish I worked there during COVID.
32:12I liked some aspects of it, but then I disliked other aspects of it.
32:16During the week was crazy.
32:17Yeah. I wish we would have kept the puppy tally.
32:22Yeah. The amount of puppies we saw.
32:23We had a tally going in reception.
32:25That was wild. It was insane.
32:27That was wild. That was just all of it was just crazy.
32:31Yeah. We moved the treatment up to where the conference table was.
32:34Like everybody. That's when that's when everyone in the clinic learned how to restrain.
32:38That's where Rebecca Miller learned how to restrain.
32:40She would literally be on the phone and hold a dog for me.
32:42It was just so weird. We did it.
32:44A week on, a week off.
32:45Yeah. Good times.
32:47Kind of. But they have specialists in the same building.
32:50Like that's a lot in one building.
32:53That's a big building. Yeah.
32:54I do know there's a clinic on the south side of Indy that is it's called Stop 11, I think.
33:01But it is attached to has some specialists.
33:07Yeah, because I am extern there in school, so.
33:10I don't know. I've been there a while.
33:11I might have changed.
33:12Might not even be there.
33:13Might be incorrect information.
33:14So sorry. Can I answer all of her questions?
33:17Well, Ben's. Ben's puppy.
33:19Yes. Yes. Yeah.
33:20So he came. He ended up coming in the next day for x-rays.
33:23And that poor pup had a
33:27a fracture. It was.
33:30Oh, my gosh, what is the word? A fracture.
33:32It wasn't rotated. It was just a hairline or I don't whatever.
33:36It wasn't like it wasn't turned.
33:39It wasn't. Anyway, it was a straight line fracture through the tibia.
33:43It was the tibia.
33:45It didn't go cortex to cortex.
33:47So there was no like surgery needed.
33:49There was no displacement, things like that.
33:52So we had to bandage him.
33:54And we did two weeks of bandaging with strict rest.
33:58I mean, ultimately, it takes eight weeks to for it to heal.
34:02We never ended up repeating x-rays.
34:04And I mean, I'm her neighbor.
34:06I know. And we're friends.
34:08So I know that keeping him quiet was very, very difficult.
34:11But I see him now and he's walking on all four legs.
34:13So, OK, great. That's right.
34:15Yeah. He seems to be doing just fine.
34:18Yeah. Puppies heal quickly, too. So.
34:21OK, next one.
34:24OK, we'd like to read it.
34:25My uncle and cousin are starting a show cattle business
34:29and they are doing AI to impregnate some of their heifers.
34:32I know you guys don't do large animals, but I'm curious to know what y'all
34:36think about AI and would you recommend it to clients?
34:39From Molly Francis.
34:41Yes, I think that's like the easiest and safest way to do it.
34:43Yep. And unless you're in Kentucky, it's not that difficult.
34:47No, you just give the mare a small amount of sedation and then inseminate.
34:51And boom. Yep.
34:53We had to practice it, not actual insemination, but we practice it in vet school.
34:57But yeah, that's pretty much the standard because you can also control.
35:01Obviously, you're looking at the mare's cycle and for follicles and very
35:06you have more control over that situation, too.
35:08Whereas if you don't have a stallion on property and safety wise, I mean,
35:12you don't have to deal with the aggression.
35:14Mm hmm. Yeah.
35:15But in Kentucky, especially in like the
35:19racing world and all that stuff, it has to be live cover.
35:22So I did an externship down in Kentucky through vet school and went to.
35:29These huge, beautiful farms, and they literally would have like scheduled
35:33they had they would have to schedule the mare.
35:35They would have the stallion.
35:36You test the you look at the sperm
35:40of the stallion. That's what one of the vets did.
35:42And then they would live cover it.
35:44And I mean, it's literally like if you think of a rodeo
35:47and those basically rodeo clowns that remove people quickly and stuff.
35:51Same thing with these horses.
35:53They're they're geared up.
35:54And as soon as the live cover is done, you separate them and.
35:59Keep going. Yeah.
36:00But like you have to obviously
36:02in that situation, you pay for the the stallion fee.
36:06And it's a whole different world down there.
36:09It's wild. I can't. It's wild.
36:11It's crazy to see. It's so cool.
36:14I love that would be fun to witness.
36:16Yeah. Yeah. A lot at stake in those situations.
36:19I got to meet American Pharaoh.
36:20Oh, that's really cool.
36:21I got a picture with him.
36:23Yeah. Popular. Celebrity horse.
36:26You don't know who he is, anybody.
36:27Then you should Google American Pharaoh.
36:30He was beautiful. I bet.
36:31Do you want to read the next one? Sure.
36:33OK, next one.
36:35Hey, I recently got into Auburn vet school, my in-state whoop whoop.
36:38But wanted to say how grateful I am for this podcast.
36:40And I actually got to speak about this podcast during my interview.
36:43Wow. I just thought you would find this cool.
36:45And I think it helped me get in.
36:47I recommended my interviewers to listen to the VPA episode
36:50since they were a little unfamiliar with the topic.
36:54Super great experience.
36:55And I know you all are.
36:56No, you all are doing great work.
36:58That's sadly cool.
37:00Congratulations, first of all, on getting into vet school.
37:03Well, then that is not for the week.
37:05So good. Oh, freaking job.
37:08This was, I think. Yeah. Yeah.
37:10Did you meet Kinga Lingading?
37:13I highly doubt that saying she listens to this podcast helped her get in.
37:16But maybe it sounds it.
37:18She sounds she sounds like a dedicated student.
37:20She cares. Yeah.
37:21Dedicated, educated, learned the education.
37:24And I would love to know how the context got brought up.
37:26Like what question.
37:27And I mean, they throw some weird questions.
37:30Maybe it's like an extracurricular or.
37:31Yeah.
37:33But she encouraged them to watch VPA.
37:35That's really cool, too.
37:36Get the word out.
37:37That's what we're here for, is to spread the news.
37:40Having some good convos, which, by the way, we have some guests lined up coming up.
37:43So we're working on it.
37:46We sure do.
37:46We'll add some spice in there soon.
37:49OK, it's a little spiky.
37:51A little vert spice.
37:53Well, all right.
37:55I guess that's it.
37:56All right, take us out.
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