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Did the British Royal Family have a secret fascination with UFOs and the paranormal? From Lord Louis Mountbatten and Prince Philip’s deep interest in UFO reports to the astonishing claim that King Charles himself flew a UFO in Canada in 1975, this documentary explores the hidden connections between the monarchy and the UFO phenomenon. What secrets does the Windsor archives hold, are they connected to the Vatican?
🔥 Why Watch?
✔️ A fascinating look into the Royal Family’s UFO connections.
✔️ Investigates decades of classified reports, sightings, and secret beliefs.
✔️ From the director of 'GOD VS UFOS', Mark Christopher Lee.
Did the British Royal Family have a secret fascination with UFOs and the paranormal? From Lord Louis Mountbatten and Prince Philip’s deep interest in UFO reports to the astonishing claim that King Charles himself flew a UFO in Canada in 1975, this documentary explores the hidden connections between the monarchy and the UFO phenomenon. What secrets does the Windsor archives hold, are they connected to the Vatican?
🔥 Why Watch?
✔️ A fascinating look into the Royal Family’s UFO connections.
✔️ Investigates decades of classified reports, sightings, and secret beliefs.
✔️ From the director of 'GOD VS UFOS', Mark Christopher Lee.
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00:00Hello, my name is Howard Hughes and you're watching The King of UFOs.
00:22We hope you enjoy this royal rollercoaster ride of paranormal and extraterrestrial delights
00:28and hopefully, by the end of it, we'll both have learned something.
00:32I mean, it'll be the speculation that UFOs, let's say, landed in Buckingham Palace and
00:36all the rest of it.
00:37He would have to be an ambassador.
00:39It would change our whole perspective on life, wouldn't it?
00:42I'd like to think that the king would be the man to meet them because he is head of our state.
00:47So just to recap, so Charles is one of three pilots and you said it had a glass dome,
00:52is that right?
00:54Yeah, what I saw, like what I saw when it was flying, it looked like a regular helicopter
00:59when I looked at it during the day.
01:00But then when I saw it at night, it was odd.
01:04There were dome-like projections around each of the pilots.
01:09The British royal family has always managed to capture the public's curiosity.
01:14While their lives and duties are often shrouded in secrecy, an intriguing aspect emerges.
01:20Their interest in UFOs and the paranormal.
01:24Join us now on this riveting journey as we explore
01:27the British royal family's unique fascination with the unknown.
01:50Okay, welcome Richard, thank you for joining us.
01:53My pleasure.
01:54I'm just really interested to get your thoughts on the British royal family and the history of
02:01the paranormal.
02:02Have the royal family showed an interest?
02:04Oh gosh, yeah, well you see, the thing is that obviously most of their, all of their properties,
02:09I would say, are old, ancient, I mean to quite an extent.
02:15Are old, ancient, I mean to quote Longfellow,
02:20all houses where men have lived and died are haunted houses.
02:24So they've got buildings that have got history beyond anything.
02:28All of their properties, well, have got ghosts in them, it's as simple as that.
02:34And they know it.
02:36And yeah, they're into it, because they've witnessed it.
02:38They've seen things, heard things, sensed things.
02:42The late queen, of course, I mean, she saw her namesake,
02:46Queen Elizabeth, in the library of Windsor Castle.
02:50The king, he's seen the same ghost, Queen Elizabeth.
02:56His grandfather, George VI, saw Queen Elizabeth I eight times in the library
03:04before the start of the Second World War.
03:07They live with their ghosts, because people do.
03:10You see, most people aren't frightened of ghosts
03:12when they're in their houses, because they just accept them.
03:17There's a rich history, because British history, you know,
03:22it's ancient, I guess, and the royal family goes back hundreds of years.
03:26And there's a lot of legends and ghosts in these places like Windsor Castle,
03:32Sandringham, Balmoral, as sightings of everyone from Henry VIII,
03:39King Charles I, King Charles II, Anne Boleyn,
03:43Queen Elizabeth I at Hatfield House.
03:46We've got so many royal ghosts, and it's, you know,
03:50it's part of the British mythology, the culture.
03:55You know, it's part of what makes us British, I think, the folklore.
03:59Where it's mainly the Victorian times when the paranormal became prevalent
04:04in the form of seances and spiritualism,
04:07there was a lot of kind of spiritualist leaders, gurus around at the time that were,
04:14you know, promoting this talking with the afterlife, basically,
04:17making contact with deceased relatives, etc.,
04:21which is what Queen Victoria was doing when she was interested in seances.
04:26She wanted to contact her recently departed husband, Prince Albert.
04:31And so there was this big fashion, I guess, at the time,
04:35for all things paranormal, spiritual.
04:37We had the likes of famous authors like Conan Doyle, who wrote the Sherlock Holmes books.
04:44He was promoting it as well.
04:46You know, he was taking it from a scientific point of view that there was something there.
04:50You know, historically, the royal family have been generally quite interested in the paranormal,
04:57you know, going back to Queen Victoria and having seances.
05:01But for it to be kind of public knowledge that a member of the royal family did that.
05:13I just wanted to get your thoughts on the British royal family's interest in the paranormal.
05:21Well, I think it goes back many years.
05:24I'm going to go back to the 1950s,
05:26because I know a little bit about that few contacts I made a couple of years ago.
05:32Psychic News Magazine.
05:33In the 1950s, there was a famous trance medium called Lillian Bailey.
05:38And she visited Lionel Logue, who was King George VI's speech therapist.
05:44And she received messages which were then passed on to the then king.
05:48After George's death, Lillian received a request to give a private seance at her house in Kensington,
05:55which I think was in 1953, as far as I can remember.
05:58She was blindfolded and taken by a limousine to this residence.
06:03And as usual, she went in the trance and allowed her spirit guide to come through.
06:08It was a guy called Bill Watton.
06:09At the end of the seance, the blindfold was obviously taken off.
06:14And we found, to her surprise, that sitting there was the Queen Mother,
06:18the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Margaret,
06:21Princess Alexandra, and the Duke of Kent, all sitting in the seance circle.
06:25I do know there's a long association with various royal families
06:28and spiritualism and the paranormal.
06:29That's a long-running strand through most of the royal family,
06:33even to this day with Prince Charles.
06:35But I think a lot of it's kept very secret.
06:37And what about William, the next generation?
06:41He's had his own kind of paranormal experiences in his house in Sandringham.
06:48We know his mother was interested in the paranormal.
06:52And interestingly, so the house that he's in, in Sandringham,
06:58is supposed to be haunted by a Catholic priest.
07:01And his comment about it was, you know, I'm not bothered.
07:07As we enter the modern era,
07:09the British royal family's interest in UFOs and the paranormal
07:13continues to captivate conspiracy theorists
07:16and people who are fascinated by the unknown.
07:19Prince Albert was probably the first member of the royal family
07:23as Queen Victoria's consort and husband that had a UFO experience.
07:27Before there were UFOs as in modern folklore,
07:33I think it was 1875 or 1876, he wrote an entry in his journal
07:39saying that he saw strange dazzling lights in the sky,
07:43like orbs flying past, and he couldn't describe them.
07:47We would probably describe it now in modern terms as a UFO.
07:51At the time, you know, that word didn't exist.
07:53So we're just kind of putting a modern interpretation on it now.
07:57It was unexplained.
07:58It was powerful enough for him to make an entry in his journal.
08:03So there's definitely something to it there.
08:05So that was the basis of, you know, modern royal ufology, I guess.
08:09And that kind of led on to the next person,
08:13which was Lord Mountbatten, who was uncle to Prince Philip.
08:20And Mountbatten had this passion for UFOs.
08:25And his biographer, Philip Ziegler, mentions that he had this fantastic passion.
08:32He thought that UFOs were from Jupiter or Venus.
08:36And he elaborated on the fact that he thought they were living craft.
08:41They thought there was definitely a non-physical element to these UFOs,
08:46which is, you know, this is back in the 1940s, 50s, which is quite radical at the time.
08:52But now we've got recent whistleblowers in the US Navy.
08:56David Grouch has come forward and he said there's this non-physical,
09:01paranormal element to UFOs.
09:04So there is definitely something there.
09:06The royal family has been interested in UFOs for decades,
09:11but this was always a matter of extreme sensitivity,
09:17because in some ways it was counter to the government's public position on this,
09:23or if not directly counter to it, certainly difficult to gel with it.
09:29And what I mean by that is that the Ministry of Defence
09:32Their public line was always that UFOs were of no defence significance
09:40or limited defence significance.
09:42And so to have a situation where the royal family were almost arguably denying that line
09:50by taking it seriously was awkward.
09:53And I think that's why the royal family has been interested in UFOs.
09:58Lying by taking it seriously was awkward, to say the least.
10:03Prince Philip was very much at the forefront of royal interest in this,
10:09though arguably he was introduced to the subject by Earl Mountbatten, his uncle.
10:15This is a fabulous resource, the Great British UFO Learning Centre.
10:21Invaluable documents going way back to the 50s.
10:26And I see there's lots of pictures of Prince Philip and Lord Mountbatten.
10:32So there seems to be a real interest from the royal family in UFOs.
10:39Does that start with Lord Louis Mountbatten, you think?
10:42Well, it did for me because I met Lord Louis Mountbatten back in the 70s.
10:48My ex-father-in-law, Chief Petty Officer Ted West, was aboard HMS Kelly,
10:55which was actually sunk in 1941.
10:58And his skipper was Lord Louis Mountbatten.
11:01For many years they had a reunion and I do know that my ex-father-in-law went there.
11:06So, you know, I'm proud of my association with Ted and HMS Kelly.
11:14You're obviously aware that there was the incident at Lord Louis Mountbatten's house
11:19when somebody called Briggs witnessed a UFO there.
11:24Mountbatten, of course, famously in the 50s, had actually had a report of a UFO landing
11:32at his estate, Broadlands.
11:36And he had personally investigated this and was impressed by the credibility of the witness,
11:44who was one of his own employees, of course.
11:46So he was someone known to Mountbatten.
11:54So Mountbatten had this passion, but then he also was lucky enough
12:09to have a UFO land on his estate in Hampshire.
12:13And I'd say Mountbatten wasn't present at this landing,
12:18but his bricklayer and labourer, Fred Briggs, witnessed this UFO land at Broadlands.
12:27A ladder, a long ladder came down and an occupant came out
12:32and knocked Fred Briggs off his bike, apparently.
12:35And this was only recently released when Mountbatten Archives,
12:41we had access to them and we found this report in there.
12:44And actually Mountbatten had written a testimony about it,
12:47swearing to the honesty and credibility of Fred Briggs.
12:51He says, I have no doubt, no reason to disbelieve if what he said was true.
12:57So that's a fascinating encounter by a member of the royal family.
13:02And Mountbatten, you have to realise, was a big influence on Prince Philip.
13:07And through Mountbatten's interest, yes, the Prince Philip,
13:12the Duke of Edinburgh became involved.
13:15And this was, of course, particularly awkward,
13:19because as the spouse of the reigning monarch at the time,
13:26and somebody who was perhaps unfairly, but however you view this,
13:32was at the centre of a number of so-called gaffes, this was a potential scandal.
13:40But he handled his interest, I think, very carefully and intelligently.
13:47He was always careful to put a little bit of clear blue water between this subject and him.
13:55So, for example, when he looked into this,
13:58he did so using one of his royal equeries as an intermediary.
14:04And that was Sir Peter Horsley.
14:06Even this equery had a meeting in a Chelsea flat with some person or entity called Janus.
14:17And this Janus basically said he was an extraterrestrial here to save us.
14:24We were basically destroying the earth.
14:26And he wanted to speak to Prince Philip, arrange a meeting
14:30so that they could discuss these issues.
14:33The thing is, what we think now is possibly Janus might not have been an extraterrestrial,
14:38might have just been a Russian spy.
14:41So the meeting never happened.
14:42It could have happened.
14:43It's a very, very strange encounter.
14:45And it's all documented in Sir Peter Horsley's autobiography.
14:50And so when the Duke of Edinburgh said, for example,
14:55oh, I want to hear about this George Adamski character,
15:00um, he was advised by his royal equery,
15:05you know, look, don't, don't meet him personally.
15:07This, this will leak and, and it will cause quite a scandal.
15:12So, so do it through the, the intermediary.
15:16And that's, that's what happened.
15:17And Sir Peter Horsley went out and, and interviewed UFO witnesses
15:22and quizzed them often with questions,
15:26which had been put directly by, by Prince Philip.
15:30But, uh, he had a large collection of UFO books.
15:34He subscribed to a Flying Saucer Review and a number of other applications.
15:41All this again was done very carefully so that, I mean,
15:44you didn't take out a subscription and say, please, please send to Buckingham Palace.
15:49Um, so a series of cutouts were used, not, not dissimilar to the way
15:55in which when I was on the UFO program, um,
15:59we, we subscribe to various UFO magazines and we use the post office box.
16:04Prince Philip had this passion, had this knowledge,
16:07maybe it was a bit politically embarrassing,
16:10which is why it kind of kept it a little bit secret.
16:13And you have to realise Prince Philip's archives are
16:17not going to be open now for another 90 years.
16:20Uh, you know, so we're not going to know really the truth about,
16:24you know, what he actually believed.
16:25And I'd be interested to know, of course, what's happened to his collection.
16:29And what we don't know, perhaps one of the big unanswered questions,
16:33is to what extent, uh, King Charles III has, has inherited any of the documents,
16:42the files, the books, the magazines, and most of all, perhaps the interest.
16:48Flipping the thing on its head about the royal family,
16:51it might not be that their interest in the paranormal is based on just a normal interest.
16:59Maybe it's based on knowledge, so their interest is based on
17:05factual knowledge that they've been able to get access to that we don't.
17:08Maybe they're interested because it's, it's,
17:12they know more about it and they want to find out more.
17:15They know the truth.
17:17We seem to have this, this stream coming down from the royals,
17:21from Lord Mountbatten, then to Prince Philip.
17:24Uh, do you think this has now been passed on to, to King Charles, this interest?
17:29Well, I would imagine so.
17:31You yourself have just looked on the computer there, a newspaper cutting.
17:35I thought, was that, what about 74 or something?
17:38But the newspaper printed an article about, um, a meeting at the, uh, the palace.
17:46To discuss, um, all manner of things.
17:48Uri Geller went there, I think, according to that.
17:51Um, why not?
17:53We know that Prince Charles is, you know,
17:56so interested to the fact that he's attended like UFO conferences,
18:00you know, 2008, 2009.
18:03He even spoke at a UFO conference in 2009.
18:08I suppose the problem is if you can look at UFOs, you can look at the paranormal
18:12and you can adopt a, a, a, a, a jocular attitude towards them,
18:17as indeed quite a lot of UFO enthusiasts have done over the years.
18:22That's fine.
18:23But when you tip over the border or you tip over the line
18:27and you think, by God, these things are dangerous.
18:29These things we know very little about.
18:32You know, we're all interested in UFOs, but to go and speak,
18:37especially as someone so high profile, you,
18:43you've got a lot to lose, haven't you?
18:45You're going to make yourself potentially look a bit kind of idiotic or,
18:49or, yeah.
18:51So why would you do that unless you were convinced that there was something happening?
18:59Yeah, there's this fascinating story, uh,
19:01that Prince Charles flew a prototype UFO in Canada in 1976.
19:06Uh, and I have to say it probably wasn't extraterrestrial.
19:10It was based on an Avro car.
19:12So it was a saucer shaped craft with dual rotor blades.
19:16But the funny thing is it had some strange magnetic, uh, propulsion system,
19:22uh, which was unknown, still is unknown.
19:25Uh, but it was observed by Dan Costello,
19:29which gives a description that it emitted a blue ionic flame
19:33and it was controlled magnetically by a larger craft behind it.
19:37Uh, so it's all very bizarre,
19:39but it just points to the fact that, you know,
19:42maybe UFOs are not necessarily extraterrestrial and maybe it is some, uh, exotic,
19:47as yet unknown technology that, uh,
19:50either the US government's developing or Chinese, Russians, who knows,
19:56but it could be something more earthly,
19:58but something that's not been released to the public.
20:01So I think it's, that's an interesting, uh, angle.
20:09Next, our story definitely goes all the way to 11 on the weird scale.
20:23It involves Prince Charles allegedly flying a prototype UFO
20:28in Nova Scotia, Canada in 1975.
20:34Canadian diver Dan Costello claims to have worked with Prince Charles
20:37on a top secret project called Servico at a location known as Sandy Point.
20:43Yours is a fascinating story.
20:45Uh, could you just give us some background on, uh,
20:49Sandy Point, Nova Scotia and what you were doing there, really?
20:53Sandy Point's a very small village now,
20:56but during World War I, World War II,
20:59these were some of the largest, um, industrial naval yards
21:04that we had on the east coast of Canada.
21:06The Royals had a lot of interest there.
21:08Through the twenties, they were fabricating these depots
21:11around and about in unofficial ways.
21:14Churchill had been, um, one of the first sea lords to involve himself in this,
21:18as well as Prince Louis of Battenberg.
21:20So this is the previous generation of the Battens that I knew.
21:24Right.
21:24My front yard, I met, uh, Max von Batten,
21:27who was King Charles's first cousin and Max von Batten's wife.
21:31Some of the, the projects that Lord Louis Montbatten had overseen as black ops,
21:36when he first took over the Royal Marines and commandos in 41,
21:40there were sites there that were still under the auspices of Montbatten.
21:43He was still coming and going until 79.
21:45Um, I knew him fairly well.
21:47I knew them all on the first name basis.
21:48My parents weren't able, allowed to know what I was doing with this project.
21:52The neighbor was a sapper who had worked on illustrious
21:56with Montbatten back in World War, uh, World War II.
21:59He was overseeing my role and sort of intervening between my parents' authority
22:04and the Royal's desire for these projects to go ahead.
22:07Because there was a couple of the hatches that needed to be penetrated
22:12that were too small for anybody else's hands.
22:15And they had a bunch of the Germans, they had child divers among them as well.
22:19Let's just recap.
22:20You were being recruited, was it?
22:23Being recruited.
22:23By the, by the British Navy, was it?
22:25Or through?
22:26Well, it was the combination of the group.
22:29Okay.
22:29When I was sitting down, it was Royal Navy, their engineers in the room.
22:34They're the ones that are training me.
22:36And then who else is in the room is Max von Batten.
22:39Then who else is in the room is Prince Philip.
22:42And who else is in the room?
22:43King Olaf of Norway, as well as Prince Harold, who's now the King of Norway and so on.
22:48There'd be a half a dozen other Royals were sitting there around me
22:51as they're devising this contract that I'm signing with my thumb.
22:55So they wanted to recruit you as a child diver to help them on what were you doing?
23:00What they described this to be as Royal salvage.
23:03And what it was, was treasures and armaments that had been stocked up
23:07from the seven years in Napoleonic times,
23:10all the way up to what it was left over after World War II.
23:13A lot of the projects did have a security dimension to it.
23:17The risk was real, related to the sharks and also related to the electrical turbine risks.
23:22So part of it was me helping save the lives of my family and my community and the Royals,
23:29but also a part of it was the reward base,
23:31that they were dangling a carrot in front of me at all times.
23:35And let's just forward on to Prince Charles's involvement in this area.
23:41What happened there?
23:43Well, I mean, Prince Charles, he was pretty personable when I first knew him.
23:47I knew, like I met him and Princess Anne just down the same street where I was living,
23:52because they were putting together, it was an antique steam turbine
23:57that had been built on the site by Howden Humes.
24:00And I think it was a Howden-Zoellie turbine.
24:02So I guess you mentioned in an email that you had some information regarding
24:09Prince Charles and a prototype UFO.
24:12Can you just explain to us?
24:14The structurals that I was seeing regarding the prototype helicopter, whatever it was, UAP,
24:22like I say, it might've had sort of a flattener-like tail
24:25or a bit of a come-on kind of pinch along one end to show where the end of it was.
24:30I don't remember seeing like a tail rotor at all.
24:33It looked like a helicopter when looking up at it, but it was silent.
24:37There was no sound coming out of the thing.
24:39And I'd seen Charles come and go there with commercial rotary craft, regular helicopters.
24:44So I already knew helicopters make a specific sound.
24:48I just thought that was quite odd.
24:49That was kind of scary to me.
24:50I ran away.
24:51I didn't know that that was the actual craft.
24:53They headed out and around that sunset that afternoon.
24:56And you say Charles is one of three pilots.
25:00Is that right?
25:01Yeah, they were short of engineers.
25:03And I think Charles and his engineering crew had been back and forth for some
25:08missions to those sections already.
25:10They knew the circumstances and events, the risks, and they had the training.
25:15And they were familiar with the craft.
25:17What I saw when it was flying, it looked like a regular helicopter
25:20when I looked at it during the day.
25:22But then when I saw it at night, it was odd.
25:26There were dome-like projections around each of the pilots.
25:31And as I recalled, there was an armored body suit that may have been
25:36an anti-electrical protection device for the pilots.
25:41And I helped test this as a diver.
25:43And I didn't know that's what I was doing.
25:45I thought I was testing it for my own safety.
25:47We needed it.
25:48But they also needed this.
25:50You said it was silence.
25:54And you said there's some sort of strange electric, electromagnetic?
25:58Yeah.
25:59I didn't notice this when I saw it during the day.
26:01But when I saw it coming up and around the house, I didn't distinguish that it
26:05had this until that night.
26:07And I'm looking at it.
26:08And there's like there was a hole in the bottom of the structure of the craft.
26:12There was something projecting out of there that was blue.
26:15And it was turning the surfaces where it was interacting with the surface along
26:19that section into molten blue elements of the soil.
26:23Like it looked like it was turning things into glass and liquefying things
26:28sort of in my view.
26:30It was sort of shocking, obviously.
26:32The sound that was coming from that was sort of like a crackling,
26:36humming, crackling, roaring.
26:38And then it would gust its way around the clearing.
26:42And it was clearing the path for the larger flight craft that was coming behind it.
26:46I didn't realize that that's what they were doing at the time.
26:48It was turning the fabric of the forest along the semaphore line into dust.
26:54Wow.
26:55And without flame, turning the branches of the trees into black carbon falling
27:01into their surface.
27:03I've never seen anything like it before or since.
27:06And then the next day, there were a bunch of bulldozers that came down to cover it all up.
27:12Do you think the technology US pilots are seeing now in the space?
27:18Could be linked to what Charles was flying?
27:21Well, this is what I believe because I never saw anything like that before or since.
27:27It didn't make sense to me looking at it.
27:29It didn't make sense that it was flying because there were periods where
27:32the dual rotors were stopping mid-flight and the thing is hanging in the air.
27:38And then the blue flame was coming out at that time.
27:41There was a ferocious fire that took place under the roadbeds
27:44directly up towards my house that night that fried out a bunch of probably,
27:49I'm assuming 1920s interpower cables that had been attaching some of these turbines,
27:55probably from the 1900s.
27:57So just going back to this craft with the ground effects, what was it?
28:03What was powering it?
28:04I'm assuming that it's something pretty radically similar to a Tesla turbine.
28:09So basically, you're saying that Sandy Point where you were,
28:12where you worked as a child diver,
28:14this has been some sort of secret location that the British Navy government used.
28:21You were saying that Churchill was going to use it as a fallback if Hitler was successful.
28:29I mean, I just want to say this story sounds incredible.
28:34What proof do you have?
28:35I mean, if you come under Sandy Point Road at Venrez,
28:40you'll find some of the concrete caissons would still be there or the roadbed wouldn't be there.
28:44These sections were designed, some of them the size of aircraft carrier cargo holds,
28:50and they went along the roadbeds.
28:52Some of them were rail line fitted and they fitted, in 1980, they shut the rail line out.
28:57But that would all still be down there.
28:59Those sections I've checked to some of the locals who still live in the area.
29:03They tell me a lot of those tunnels are still down there.
29:06You know, they could have evolved, you know, a plasma turbine technology that no one else did.
29:13It could have been something from Tesla's day.
29:16Thanks, Dan.
29:17I mean, I guess the last question we've got for you is
29:20why should we believe your fantastical story?
29:23The royals themselves know it's true.
29:25They were there.
29:26You know, King Charles knows it.
29:28Princess Anne knows it.
29:29Queen Margaret knows it.
29:31King Harold knows it.
29:32King Carl Gustaf was there back and forth before he got married.
29:37Yeah, I just happened to be in that particular location by God's will.
30:12We'll now look at the continuing interest of Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II in UFOs
30:17and other paranormal phenomena in the 1980s and 1990s.
30:22We look at their interest in the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident,
30:26which has been called the British Roswell,
30:28and also their correspondence with various UFO authors
30:32and claims that they had their own royal UFO and paranormal library.
30:38It's an interesting correlation between Prince Albert's
30:41sighting of orbs in the sky and what happened at Rendlesham Forest in 1980 in Suffolk.
30:48It was at RAF Bentwaters.
30:50It was a joint US RAF base that was housing nuclear weapons at the time.
30:56And these strange lights appeared over the Christmas of 1980,
31:01and allegedly a craft landed.
31:06And it emitted some strange messages to the people that observed it.
31:11So it's a fascinating part of British ufology,
31:16and it's been called Britain's Roswell.
31:19It's that big an impact.
31:22And people go there now to Rendlesham, and they see strange orbs like Albert saw in the sky.
31:29For me, the phenomenon exists because so many sighting reports from people,
31:34from members of the public, who, like us, have no idea,
31:40but felt that their reports, their sightings should be preserved for posterity,
31:46which is what I'm trying to do.
31:49But yeah, and over the years, of course, in front of you are a number of letters
31:55from Prince Philip then, who was very interested in the UFO subject,
32:02who wrote to me thanking me for the books he had.
32:06So yeah, that's...
32:07So what books were you sending Prince Philip?
32:10Well, volumes 1 to 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11, and probably the Holt book as well.
32:18Both the Queen and Prince Philip held a passionate interest in Rendlesham.
32:23John Hanson, an author, ex-police officer, CID,
32:29you know, a very credible person.
32:32He's written books on the Rendlesham forest incident with Colonel Charles Holt.
32:37Charles Holt was the colonel that was in charge of the base
32:39at the time these sightings happened,
32:41and Charles Holt observed these lights and documented it on his dictaphone.
32:48And they've written books about it.
32:50These books were sent to the Queen and Prince Philip,
32:53who wrote back to John Hanson saying,
32:56you know, we enjoyed your book.
32:57We've added them to our collection.
32:59So they've definitely got an interest in Rendlesham.
33:02Why?
33:02Your correspondence with Prince Philip and the Queen regarding the Holt perspective,
33:08this was about the Rendlesham UFO incident.
33:11Could you just give us a bit of info about what Rendlesham was?
33:15Rendlesham is such...
33:20As you've seen yourself, we have vast files on Rendlesham,
33:23but to put it simply, it was a series of UFO sightings,
33:30unexplained, that took place in Rendlesham forest
33:34at the end of December 1980,
33:36witnessed by a number of airmen.
33:41I've interviewed nearly all of them over the years,
33:43but for me, it's what Colonel Holt saw,
33:47who's a personal friend,
33:50and he witnessed these lights appearing over the forest.
33:53We have the famous memo from Colonel Holt,
33:58which was released some time after.
34:01I remember speaking to somebody in one of the national newspapers,
34:03and he said,
34:04the trouble is, John,
34:08we can't offer anything serious because it would alarm people.
34:12I think they are open to the paranormal and the fact that UFOs exist.
34:18However, they have to be careful,
34:19because they are heads of state, heads of the church,
34:24so there's only so much they can state publicly.
34:27I'm sure there's a lot that goes on behind closed doors
34:32that we're never going to know.
34:33For instance, Prince Philip's own archives,
34:36we're not going to get access to those for another 90 years.
34:40What's in those?
34:41The Lord Hill Norton report in the 70s,
34:45where the British government set this report up
34:48to look into UFOs and the reality,
34:51and Lord Hill Norton basically gave this report
34:54to members of the establishment,
34:57head of the MOD, army, et cetera, the church,
35:00Prince Philip,
35:01and basically stated that UFOs were demonic in origin.
35:05And Lord Hill Norton was increasingly getting involved in this subject.
35:09For example, asking questions in parliament,
35:13lobbying defense ministers to do more.
35:16He fell under the influence of a maverick priest called Paul Inglesby,
35:22who very much did buy into this idea that UFOs were demonic.
35:28And that was a very unfortunate turn of events,
35:32because I had briefed Lord Hill Norton,
35:36and just as I was, I guess,
35:39engaging and helping to move things forward,
35:42and we had Lord Hill Norton as a powerful figure in all of this,
35:48along came Paul Inglesby,
35:49inserting his bizarre religious views about demons and UFOs into the conversation.
35:58They warned them for investigating further,
36:00don't investigate these things further,
36:01they are demonic, not to be touched, stay away.
36:04And that was the message that was sent to Prince Philip.
36:07So has that been handed down to Charles, William?
36:14I don't know.
36:15Like the lads here want to ask,
36:17and like probably King Charles wants to ask,
36:20is what are these things?
36:22Where are they from?
36:23Do they have an agenda?
36:25Are they in fact intelligent or not, or what?
36:29I just don't know.
36:30There's so many different explanations, aren't there?
36:34But nobody can prove them.
36:37So,
36:50Nick Pope talks about an element in the British and US governments of,
36:55you know, evangelical Christians,
36:58who do take a biblical interpretation of UFOs.
37:02And, you know, the Bible, their interpretation of the Bible is like
37:06anything that's paranormal is a demon.
37:09And UFOs are seen as demons, you know, Satan's minions.
37:14So stay away from them, I guess.
37:17I have to say that's not my view.
37:20I tried to, you know, not to put too fine a point on it,
37:24but undo some of that damage
37:26and try to ease Inglesby out of the equation.
37:32But it was quite difficult.
37:34But yeah, it was a challenge.
37:37Sure, absolutely.
37:38Do you think any of those ideas rubbed off on Prince Philip and then Charles?
37:42I hope not.
37:43I certainly hope not.
37:45But I can't rule it out.
37:46I've, unfortunately, I've not briefed the King personally on this.
37:51So I don't know.
37:52Winston Churchill himself blocked UFO sightings
37:57or blocked reports from pilots of things they'd seen,
38:03you know, during the Second World War.
38:05And he said that was because he did not want to create a problem for religion.
38:11That is documented.
38:14Time after time, I have spoken to people,
38:16and they do regard this stuff as demonic.
38:22But you see, demonic, that raises within you,
38:27you know, you can see the devil jumping up and down and demons.
38:31And I think that's probably not what it's all about.
38:35What I can say is that many cases involving UFOs,
38:41where members of the public have been fairly close to them
38:46or have been influenced by the electromagnetic radiation
38:50that's given off the objects,
38:52will change things,
38:54will cause problems in the house,
38:57you know, malfunctions with electrical and mechanical apparatus.
39:03I mean, the Queen sent scientific advisors to, like, UFO sites,
39:09her and her husband really interested in crop circles,
39:13which kind of can link into the UFO phenomena.
39:17But the idea that she's sending people to these sites,
39:20again, you wouldn't do that unless either you were deeply interested
39:26or you knew that there was something more to it.
39:30You wouldn't send it on a whim, would you?
39:32You've got lots of records here about crop circles,
39:34and I know the Queen and Prince Philip both expressed an interest in crop circles.
39:39And I've been corresponding with Colin Andrews, whom I think you know.
39:43And Colin Andrews mentions this story where he was with a Japanese film crew
39:48He was with a Japanese film crew in the 80s in Wiltshire,
39:53and the Queen sent a Rolls-Royce out to look at these crop circles being formed.
39:58And Colin was expecting the Queen to get out of the Rolls-Royce.
40:01It wasn't. It was a scientific officer.
40:04There must be a link, possibly, between crop circles and UFOs.
40:08Well, undoubtedly, particularly the early crop circles were just
40:13were circular, burnt formations in the grass or in the fields.
40:20I think they described them as UFO nests back in the olden days.
40:25You can stand in the middle of a crop circle, which has been recently made,
40:30and it's fresh.
40:32There's a feeling comes over you.
40:35You can feel the energy.
40:38There are stories I've spoken to witnesses who've
40:41more or less seen these things appear, then gone over,
40:45and then ended up with some quite terrifying experiences.
41:07When humans have interacted with so-called aliens,
41:10the aliens have always been bringing this message that we need to save you.
41:14The planet's doomed unless you change your ways.
41:18There's always been that apocalyptic message,
41:21and maybe the aliens are here to help us.
41:23So I guess maybe that's it.
41:25I know Charles cares passionately about the environment
41:29and what we're doing to the planet.
41:30So maybe that links in with possible alien race saving us.
41:37I wonder if there's a secret knowledge that's been handed down by a generation of royals.
41:43So go back to King James I, Francis Bacon, Baron of Veralam.
41:49He was known as inventor of the scientific method,
41:55also secret alchemist, member of the Rosicrucians.
41:58The Rosicrucians were supposed to have secret knowledge.
42:01I wondered if any of that's been passed down.
42:05Yeah, I mean, it could well be.
42:06It's almost like ingrained in their DNA, isn't it?
42:09And this knowledge, yeah.
42:12Especially, you know, like Lord Mountbatten's library of books around UFOs, paranormal.
42:20Maybe there were, you know, other documents that, again,
42:24we don't have access to because we're not the perceived elite.
42:29I don't like to use the word illuminati,
42:31but there may be an illuminati-esque kind of knowledge hub
42:39that we don't have access to, but they would.
42:42We can speculate that the royal family have had access to knowledge that we don't have.
42:49For instance, the Queen is alleged to have requested documents from the Vatican secret archives.
42:56You know, the Vatican headquarters of the Catholic Church has a well-known secret archive.
43:01With documents going back thousands of years,
43:04possibly, you know, detailing the origins of Christianity and such like.
43:09But also there's allegations that they're holding the truth about the UFO phenomena.
43:1653 miles of corridors full of secret documents and items,
43:26including skulls of extraterrestrials.
43:31Down in the cellars of the Vatican and various other things.
43:36In other words, they are into, although they believe the world to be 6,400 years old,
43:42they are into aliens.
43:46They've got an observatory in Arizona.
43:48They have an observatory at the Pope's summer palace in Rome.
43:53The Vatican's always had an interest in UFOs.
43:55It's got its own cardinal and Monsignor's appointed to deal with
43:59first contact with extraterrestrials.
44:02So it's always had an active interest.
44:04So maybe that's because they know more.
44:08There is some speculation that they were privy to a UFO landing in Sicily
44:15in the Second World War and Mussolini recovered this.
44:18So some say they actually may have a UFO.
44:22And of course, the Vatican, an orange saucer-shaped ship, craft,
44:30has been seen on more than one occasion hovering over the Vatican.
44:36There is even talk that the Pope is an alien.
44:42I'm not sure about that one.
44:44But they know more.
44:47They know far more than we realise about what's going on up there.
44:52So what was the Queen doing?
44:55Requesting documents?
44:56Was it relating to UFOs?
44:58I mean, it's speculation, I guess, but she was requesting access to something.
45:03Which leads me on to the fact that maybe our own royal family
45:06have got their own secret archives at Windsor Castle.
45:09You know, there is millions of documents there going back hundreds of years.
45:15Maybe there's some secret knowledge in there about the paranormal and UFOs.
45:20Well, I believe that's it.
45:21She is obviously a believer, as so many of us are,
45:25because my take on this is, you know,
45:27are we really so self-centred and bigoted as to believe
45:30that we are the only planet in the universe and beyond, and beyond infinity?
45:36Of course, there's life somewhere else.
45:40And again, the royal family, the incredible people, believe it.
45:47Aliens have made contact.
45:49What happens next?
45:52Contact with an extraterrestrial civilisation has been made,
45:56and after that, there is no turning back.
46:00How will the world's leaders react?
46:02And what will our own King do to ease his people's worries and fears?
46:07How will it impact the world's religions?
46:10And what can the King do as head of the Anglican Church to reassure its followers?
46:15Now is the time for him to be the king of UFOs.
46:18We've made first contact with extraterrestrials.
46:21What will King Charles's role be to ease the fears of the population
46:26and going forward on a world basis?
46:30What can and what will he do?
46:32That's a very interesting and an important question,
46:36and I think you've touched on something really fascinating here,
46:39because one of the things that's emerged in the United States
46:43in the current discussions that are being had
46:47is how apolitical this is, which is as it should be.
46:53This is not a partisan issue.
46:56We actually have in the US Republicans and Democrats alike,
47:00and in these divided days, it's quite refreshing to see this,
47:06that it's being handled on a non-partisan basis.
47:09This question is very interesting,
47:11because this is exactly where the monarch might serve a very important function.
47:18In, for example, an address to the nation from the king
47:24would, I think, be something that everyone would want to see.
47:28I would imagine there's a security approach to things and all this.
47:35And so, of course, the king would never operate independently.
47:39We'd like to think that he just went out and shook your hands with the aliens or whatever.
47:42But there would obviously be massive amounts of kind of protocol
47:47and information and advisers and all the rest of it,
47:52leading to what I would imagine would be some kind of public expression of something.
47:59But there's no way on earth that the king would just stand up and make a speech at that point.
48:04You'd imagine that actually the whole thing would be a public speech.
48:08Actually, the whole thing would be couched in quite serious discussions
48:14and with various political bodies.
48:16So if what you're exploring is ultimately ending up with some kind of public expression
48:22of what's happened, I guess that's what you're asking,
48:26rather than the intricacies of what might have taken place
48:30in Buckingham Palace Gardens on that date.
48:32But that's another question.
48:34Obviously, there will be statements from political leaders.
48:37But to stress the non-partisan nature of this
48:40and to bring people across the divide, whatever their politics, together,
48:46an address to the nation from the king is, I think, essential.
48:50And much as we have the Christmas broadcast or the king's speech, say, to parliament now,
48:59we would have, I think, we would need an address to the nation from King Charles.
49:05And it would be, obviously, there are so many variables in the scenario,
49:10it's very difficult to say for sure.
49:13But you would hope that this would be the mechanism by which the establishment would
49:21send out a message of reassurance to people, a message of hope, a message not to panic.
49:28And any instructions and requests that the government feels it would be helpful to do.
49:35Now, the government, of course, would probably draft this speech.
49:39But ultimately, I'm sure someone like King Charles would put his own stamp on this.
49:45And it's a very good way to get a non-political input.
49:50The king would presumably make some kind of statement.
49:53I mean, it's fascinating to imagine.
49:55Would there be a live interview with the alien?
49:58I guess the question would be, what are they here for?
50:01And what's Charles going to respond to?
50:03You know, would Charles be responding to a national or international crisis
50:09of a security nightmare, you know, as in a war or something along those lines?
50:16Or is he responding to something that's anomalous and we don't know,
50:20and we're hedging our bets?
50:21Or is he going to be responding to something that has a more positive suggestion?
50:26I just hope they never land.
50:27I really do.
50:28But I'm sure if they did, I'd be honoured.
50:32I'd be pleased that the king would play a part in this, you know, because he should do.
50:39Clearly, there are religious and theological implications
50:42to first contact, however that unfolds.
50:46And absolutely, King Charles's position as head of the Anglican Church would be important,
50:53as would the fact that the king has previously tried to speak out about
50:59the importance of a multi-faith approach in the modern UK.
51:05So actually, I think his role would go wider than just the Anglican Church.
51:11And he would be one of a number of leading figures worldwide
51:15whose words on the religious implications would be important,
51:19and people would listen to.
51:21Not just Christians, but right across the range of faiths.
51:26And of course, addressing those who don't have any faith and they're atheists.
51:31It's important that the king speaks for everyone.
51:45William, I guess, like his mother, possibly has an interest in spirituality, the paranormal.
51:52William, I guess, like his mother, possibly has an interest in spirituality, the paranormal.
52:04Will he take that on board as his role as future king?
52:09We're not aware of him having any UFO experiences, but, you know,
52:13we talked about him having a ghost in his house in Sandringham.
52:19So who knows?
52:21But whoever is king is going to have an important role to play on the world stage,
52:28with disclosure being imminent that we are not alone.
52:32Of course, King Charles, there's no doubt he's into ghosts.
52:38I know that for a fact.
52:38I know he's seen the ghost of Queen Elizabeth in the library at Windsor.
52:44Dumfries' house, the present queen, refused to go to that house while it was being renovated
52:51because she said there was definitely a ghost in that building.
52:55And so as regards the king, I would imagine that if he knows more about aliens and ghosts,
53:02then I think he should disclose to the nation what he knows,
53:10because he certainly discloses lots of other things to the nation.
53:13And I think that's wonderful.
53:15Yes, I think he should.
53:16I hope he will.
53:17Should we have first contacts with extraterrestrials or wherever they may be?
53:23What role do you think King Charles would play?
53:27Well, that's the $24,000 question, isn't it?
53:33I think King Charles is a very open-minded man.
53:37I think he's a very compassionate man and he's a very sensitive man.
53:41And I think he'll be very open to it,
53:44because I believe now he's a defender of the faiths, isn't he?
53:47Not the faith.
53:49The faiths.
53:51I suspect he would know anyway, to some degree, what the true situation is,
53:57as does the Pope and the people that matter around the world, the leaders.
54:01I think it's just a combination of things.
54:06I think from the church point of view,
54:09the head of the Church of England, stuff like this,
54:11I think the Vatican would say, well, we're all God's creatures, regardless.
54:15So wherever they may look like or appear to us, it doesn't disprove a God.
54:22It disproves just a creative source that has perhaps got many, many different mansions
54:26and we're just one infinite, minute little bit of it.
54:39For me, UFOs and the paranormal, it's a bit like a Pandora's box.
54:45If you and I could just lift the lid up slowly and look inside, we'd be shocked.
54:52If we took the lid off and looked inside, we'd never be the same again.
54:57And I just think maybe that isn't the right way.
55:02I'm betwixt and between.
55:04You want to know the answers, I want to know the answers.
55:07Would you really regret having to find out the answer?
55:11Because it could change your whole way of life, your whole outlook on life.
55:16Maybe we don't need disclosure.
55:18Disclosure so far have told me very little about, as we said,
55:22what these things are, where they come from, what they're doing here.
55:26And they've certainly been here.
55:28We know they've been here.
55:29And if you don't know where they've come from,
55:32and they've certainly been here, we know that.
55:34And I think you agree with me.
55:36I mean, we are at an apex of weirdness, really.
55:40We've got disclosure in the US, that's pushing forward.
55:46We've got the CERN-Hadron Collider about to explore other dimensions of reality.
55:52Our king has an interest in spirituality.
55:55He sees himself as king of all faiths, which is a great thing.
56:00So maybe he's got to explore where this may end up
56:07and help us through some momentous change that may be coming.
56:12There's a role, a really, really important role you play as king.
56:17So to embrace that kind of paranormal identity, to embrace UFOs,
56:25that's kind of bringing it into the public realm.
56:27It's bringing a seriousness.
56:29It's bringing a kind of gravitas to it all.
56:35If you've got the king who is standing by it,
56:39these people are going to feel validated, potentially,
56:43and more likely to share their stories.
56:45The impact that first contact would have would be massive on society.
56:50The fact that we are not alone.
56:53There's probably a more intelligent race out there.
56:57How does that affect us, our place in the universe,
57:00our place, if you believe in God, with God?
57:04There's important spiritual aspects of first contact.
57:07Will the aliens bring their own gods?
57:10Will they bring no god?
57:13And by virtue of being far superior than us,
57:16just by the fact they've had to travel the vast distances involved,
57:22will they impose their beliefs on us in a reverse colonialism?
57:28Possibly.
57:29So these are massive, profound questions that, you know,
57:35we don't know the answers to yet.
58:27He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
58:32He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
58:37He's the king, he's the king of UFOs.
58:46Bab al-Azhar says he went too far for a truth we cannot know.
58:53So you take a nap and then your cover's blown with the king of UFOs.
59:05Watch him fly, oh so high, watch him fly tonight.
59:23you