Lewis Goodall goes head-to-head with Sergei Markov, former adviser to Vladimir Putin.
In a fiery exchange, Markov dismisses the possibility of a ceasefire, claiming past agreements were exploited to strengthen Ukraine’s military.
He denies Russia’s civilian casualties and argues that Ukraine is a "neo-Nazi regime."
When challenged on Russia’s invasion, Markov insists Ukraine is part of Russia, comparing it to British-Scottish relations.
Lewis counters this and questions why Ukrainians fiercely resist if they see Russia as liberators, but Markov maintains that Ukrainians will eventually be "grateful" for Russia’s actions.
He also rejects Western peacekeeping, accusing the UK of direct involvement in the war.
'Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?' Lewis stresses. 'Can I invite you to join planet reality?'
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In a fiery exchange, Markov dismisses the possibility of a ceasefire, claiming past agreements were exploited to strengthen Ukraine’s military.
He denies Russia’s civilian casualties and argues that Ukraine is a "neo-Nazi regime."
When challenged on Russia’s invasion, Markov insists Ukraine is part of Russia, comparing it to British-Scottish relations.
Lewis counters this and questions why Ukrainians fiercely resist if they see Russia as liberators, but Markov maintains that Ukrainians will eventually be "grateful" for Russia’s actions.
He also rejects Western peacekeeping, accusing the UK of direct involvement in the war.
'Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?' Lewis stresses. 'Can I invite you to join planet reality?'
Listen to the full show on Global Player: https://app.af.globalplayer.com/Br0x/LBCYouTubeListenLive
#lewisgoodall #russia #LBC #ukraine #vladimirputin
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00:00Let's talk to Sergey Markov, former advisor to Vladimir Putin, also represented Russia
00:05at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, joining us now live from Moscow.
00:08Mr Markov, thank you so much for joining us this morning. How do you think that Vladimir Putin is
00:14going to play the week ahead? Do you think that there is any possibility at all of his accepting
00:18a 30-day ceasefire? Yes, of course, Vladimir Putin will be glad to accept this ceasefire for
00:27one month, but Russia already has negative experience of ceasefire with Ukrainian regime,
00:36which has been supported and still supported by Western countries.
00:41Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 agreement, probably you know about this agreement of ceasefire,
00:48and all of them have been violated by Ukrainian side, but most importantly,
00:54this ceasefire has been used, first of all, for full armament of Ukrainian army,
01:04and recovering of Ukrainian army after military defeat, and mobilization of the young people to
01:12Ukrainian army. And leaders of Germany and France, Hollande and Merkel, directly told
01:19that they are lying to Russia during preparation of this ceasefire, and their plan from the beginning
01:26was just to make Ukrainian army more strong. That's why Russia is concerned that probably
01:33this ceasefire again will be used by Western countries just to make Ukrainian army more strong
01:39and to start the war again. In which case, though, if Vladimir Putin is, as he says he is,
01:48committed to actually achieving some sort of peace, then surely the very last thing that he
01:52would be doing was preparing to open up another front by invading Sumy, which we hear from the
01:57Ukrainians this morning that they are concerned he is about to do. Do you think he will invade
02:01that area of Ukraine? Yet another one. Your question is very strange. You know,
02:09Sumy is neighboring region to the Kursk region, and Ukrainian army invaded to Kursk region,
02:16occupy a lot of territories in Kursk region, kill a lot of civilians, and still even control
02:23part of the Kursk region. Well, Russia has killed a lot of civilians,
02:30haven't they, Mr. Markov? Russia has killed a lot of civilians, haven't they, Mr. Markov?
02:35No, no, no, no, no. You know, the point is that for Russians, Ukrainians, it's part of our people.
02:42No, they're not. They're their own people. That's the problem with this.
02:45From our point of view, I'm talking about our point of view, not your point of view.
02:50From our point of view, the relation between Russians and Ukrainians, it's not like between
02:57British and French. It's between British and Scottish, and British and English people. So
03:04it's part of the Ukraine, part of the big Russian people.
03:07In which case, why are you bombing your own people? If they're your own people,
03:12why would you bomb your own people and kill your own civilians and kidnap your own children?
03:17Yeah, it's exactly for the same reason why you bombed Nazi Germany, to liberate Germans from
03:24the neo-Nazi regime, from Adolf Hitler. So Ukrainian kids had to die because Ukraine
03:31was in fact a Nazi regime? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
03:35Ukraine is a neo-Nazi regime, and you may know that.
03:38Except it's had a democratic... When was the last time Russia had a democratic election,
03:42which is considered free and fair by international observers? Ukraine has had one more recently than
03:46yours.
03:47Russia has a main characteristic of democracy.
03:52Right. What, like when opposition leaders get thrown out of windows?
03:56Right. Tell that to Alexei Navalny, mate.
04:00The main hero of the current Ukrainian regime is the main Ukrainian fascist, Stepan Bandera.
04:05Right.
04:05Stepan Bandera served for Adolf Hitler. Why do you ignore the fact that the Ukrainian regime?
04:13It's your responsibility. Your country is supporting this neo-Nazi regime. Frankly speaking,
04:19I think such a leader as Barry Johnson sometimes would be...
04:22You say, Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, you say that Ukraine is your people,
04:28from your point of view. OK, that's your point of view. The Ukrainians disagree. Is their view
04:33on that completely unimportant?
04:36In which case, why are they fighting you then?
04:39In which case, why wouldn't they just welcome you in with open arms? Come on,
04:42comrades, come and take Kiev.
04:45No, no, no. Ukrainians, because they are under the pressure of terror, of course,
04:51they are very much consolidated. Those Ukrainians who agree that Ukraine is part of Russia,
04:57they are all in prison. If you will be in prison immediately, you also will have no
05:03opportunity to say something.
05:04Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, can I invite you to join us on
05:09Planet Reality for a second?
05:12Why would it be, if, as you say, Ukrainians actually consider you to be the same people,
05:19Russia and Ukraine, if that is the case, why are hundreds of thousands of them resisting you
05:25every single day? Why wouldn't they just invite you with open arms? Is it not, have you ever
05:31considered that maybe, just maybe, they don't want to be part of Russia and that is why they've
05:36been fighting you for the best part of a decade and longer?
05:40Very reasonable question, because majority is following the leaders and we can see majority
05:48of the nation every time follow some political leaders. And if you have all political leaders,
05:56all thousands of political leaders who told that Ukrainians are part of the Russian people,
06:02all of them have been either arrested or just killed.
06:04Oh, so they don't understand, they don't understand, I see, they don't understand,
06:08and you're just trying to liberate them from the misconceptions that they've been told,
06:12is that right?
06:14We want to liberate them from terroristic regime.
06:17By bombing them to bits, by bombing them to bits, it's an interesting thing.
06:23Now you're discussing to me, but do you know that American plan, which now given to Russia,
06:30included denazification of Ukraine, that neo-Nazi organisation.
06:35So you're the heroes, really, you're the heroes, then we should be thanking you,
06:38for you, the Ukrainians should be thanking you for bombing them to bits.
06:43It's exactly as Germans thanks to American and British and Russian for liberating
06:49Adolf Hitler's regime. Exactly, Ukrainians will be thankful to Russians after Russian victory.
06:57Yeah, I bet they can't wait to thank you. I bet they can't wait to thank you for
07:00bombing their cities to smithereens. I bet they can't wait to thank you for
07:04women who have been raped. I bet they can't wait to thank you. I bet they can't wait to thank you
07:08for all the kids that have been kidnapped and their parents have never seen them again.
07:11I bet they cannot wait to say thank you.
07:14No, nobody likes bombs. And of course... Vladimir Putin don't mind them.
07:21Nobody likes bombs. Even those people who like Russia and Ukraine, they don't like
07:27Russian rocket missiles and Russian bombs. So you're fighting a war of liberation.
07:32That's what you're saying, war of liberation. Exactly.
07:35Then you, my friend, are liberated from reality.
07:38From neo-Nazi terrorist regime. After liberation, Ukrainians will be thankful to liberators.
07:47So can I ask you a point of fact, if we can try and return to some facts. You know Vladimir Putin's
07:53mind. Kirstarma and others are suggesting at the moment talking about a peacekeeping force to be
08:00deployed to ensure that Vladimir Putin does not go back on his word to keep any deal that might
08:05be developed. Is there any chance, do you believe, that Vladimir Putin would accept
08:10Western peacekeeping forces in Ukraine?
08:14You know, you again ask me a strange question. Of course, of course, people, peacekeepers,
08:22it's important for the stopping of war. But peacekeepers should be from neutral countries.
08:27You are Great Britain and France are in war with us. It's impossible to have peacekeepers
08:34from the side which is taking part in the war. You're not neutral. You're part of the war.
08:41That's why you cannot be a peacekeeper. Peacekeepers will come from Indonesia,
08:47India, Brazil, Nigeria. It's good peacekeepers.
08:53So that's what you accept.
08:55Yes, it's what Russia accepts. But British part of the war. Your officers are already
09:01fighting on the Ukrainian front. You already have, you know, hundreds, hundreds of British
09:06soldiers who have been killed by Russian army on the Ukrainian front.
09:14Your government keeps secretly this. Your government not giving information to your
09:19citizens about this tragic truth.
09:22So, Mr. Markov, maybe we could just finish off by, could you perhaps just speak directly to
09:27the Ukrainian people who have lost loved ones, lost family members, lost children who have been
09:32kidnapped, lost their homes, which have been destroyed by Russian bombs. Just speak directly
09:36to them as to why they should be grateful for what Vladimir Putin has done.
09:41Yes, and we are to continue to talk about this. Of course, they will be grateful because they
09:47will be liberated from terroristic, neo-Nazi regime.
09:52Sorry?
09:53So the ones who are dead should be grateful. How will they be liberated when they're dead?
09:56No, no, no. Those who will be dead cannot be grateful, but...
10:03No, no, they can't be. You're right about that.
10:05Yeah, yeah, yeah. But who is responsible for the killing of Germans during World War II?
10:11Adolf Hitler or British and American troops?
10:15Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, Mr. Markov, the Germans...
10:20Germany in World War II was a genocidal regime. It was killing millions of its own people.
10:26Ukraine isn't doing that. That is just nonsense.
10:28Ukraine, Ukraine, it's exactly your government has information already that Ukrainian government
10:36killed dozens of thousands...
10:38What is it like being in cloud cuckoo land?
10:41You know, we have a lot of information. I can give you names of the people in Russia
10:46who is managing to monitor it, but your government keeping secretly terror, which we have in Ukraine.
10:54That's why we... So, I'm sorry.
10:56Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, Mr. Markov, do you believe anything that you're saying?
11:03Are you just afraid that Vladimir Putin will kill you if you don't say what he wants you to say?
11:09If I will be Nazi, people probably... I never will be thankful for the killing.
11:16But I think it's this personality, it's the demagogy which you use.
11:24But more normal thing, as it's my question, which you deny to answer.
11:28Who is responsible for killing German civilians during World War II?
11:33Adolf Hitler or British people?
11:38Hitler's regime in the Second World War was killing...
11:40Adolf Hitler or British regime?
11:42Hitler's regime during the Second World War had invaded its neighbours and were killing
11:47millions of its own citizens. Ukraine has done neither. Your country is the aggressor.
11:53Your country invaded them. You deny that your country invaded them.
11:59You deny that your country invaded them.
12:01Ukraine invaded Donbass. It killed thousands of people.
12:04Donbass is in their country. How can they have invaded Donbass?
12:07It's in their country. It's their own regime. It's their own territory.
12:09No, they've been in their country. They've been in their country.
12:12Right.
12:13But after Donbass oppressor...
12:15We ain't getting very far, are we, Mr. Markov?
12:17...legally repressive regime, they invaded to see. And sharply violated all ceasefire.
12:23Coming back. It's the point. We don't want Ukrainian regime with such support,
12:29which express you from your governmental position. We don't want to repeat same
12:37catastrophe for the same catastrophe of ceasefire.
12:41Well, the good news...
12:41Do you understand?
12:42The good news for you, Mr. Markov, is that you will be able to walk by windows
12:46without fear. Thanks for that interview. Sagi Markov there, former advisor to Vladimir Putin,
12:51who represented Russia at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. And frankly,
12:55I want whatever he's having.