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00:00Before anybody whinges and whines,
00:01saying, you're going to privatise the NHS.
00:03F**ks.
00:04Woeful incompetence of Kemi Vaidnok.
00:07We are the party of the workers and the strivers,
00:09not the shirkers and the skivers.
00:11What do you make of Keir Starmer as a man?
00:14You stepped aside for Nigel.
00:16Who called who?
00:17Two words.
00:17Net zero.
00:18Net stupid zero.
00:19We're messing it up here.
00:21We're not good enough.
00:22You're obviously a very wealthy man, a millionaire.
00:23How do you connect with the people here?
00:25Here's the thing.
00:26I'm the best person to make this constituency great again.
00:29I'm in Skegness today, which is next to Boston.
00:32The seaside town and Boston together
00:34are the constituency of Richard Tice MP,
00:38who is the deputy leader of Reform UK.
00:40We're going to chat to him today
00:42about local issues and national issues.
00:45How would you describe your two big towns
00:47you've got in your constituency, Skegness and Boston?
00:49Skegness first.
00:50They're remarkable towns in completely different ways.
00:52So Skegness, massive tourist resort.
00:56It was the home for the first Butlins in 1936.
01:00Like all coastal towns, it's got its challenges,
01:03but it's also the home of the greatest number
01:07of mobile homes and caravans,
01:10some 30,000, the biggest number in the whole of Europe.
01:15So that's another great opportunity.
01:18And then that's very different to Boston.
01:20Boston, huge history, incredible architecture.
01:24Boston was the second biggest trading port
01:27outside London 300 years ago.
01:29The second biggest contributor to customs and excise
01:33300 years ago.
01:34But the issue is that the Bostons,
01:38like a lot of market towns,
01:39got real problems on the high street.
01:42I think it suffered through mismanagement.
01:45And I'm working on plans to turn that round
01:49and talking to all the various parties
01:51because we've got to turn that heritage and history
01:54to its advantage.
01:55I know that this great constituency,
01:57all of you will work with me.
02:00I'm looking forward to working with you.
02:02We can do great things together.
02:04Thank you very much.
02:06What's it like being a reform MP, Richard?
02:07Well, I've never been an MP before,
02:09so it's all a new experience.
02:10People sort of thought that we wouldn't achieve anything,
02:14but look how much noise we've made in six, seven months.
02:17Five of us, we've become the real opposition.
02:19And that's through just hard work,
02:22common sense policies,
02:23a bit of courage,
02:24a bit of leadership,
02:26and understanding what's concerning people.
02:29Do you feel like you're speaking up
02:30for a certain kind of person?
02:32Yeah, I think we're speaking up for hardworking,
02:35patriotic British folk
02:38who know that it's a great country
02:39that's being let down through bad management,
02:42wasting taxpayers' cash,
02:44and a complete failure to understand
02:46what makes people better off,
02:48what makes the country better off.
02:50And we understand it.
02:51We've all been around the block.
02:52We've achieved things.
02:53We've done things.
02:55We know how to be successful.
02:56We know how to take decisions.
02:58And so I think that's why we're making progress.
03:02In the past, you've talked about
03:03how multiculturalism has failed.
03:06What's it like in this constituency,
03:07in Skegness, in Boston?
03:09Because in Boston,
03:10one in four people were born outside of the UK.
03:12Is that a problem?
03:14The thing about immigration is, first of all,
03:17you should only have legal immigration.
03:20And you want smart immigration
03:22that helps the British economy.
03:24So people who are lucky enough to come and live here,
03:27they've got to integrate,
03:28they've got to work,
03:29and they've got to learn to speak the language.
03:31And many have, but many haven't.
03:35And that is a problem.
03:36And whether it's Tony Blair, David Cameron,
03:39Angela Merkel, they've all said,
03:42actually, multiculturalism has failed.
03:44And we've said it.
03:46And that's the truth.
03:46We want people to live and enjoy life
03:49under one British culture,
03:51of the British values, who we are,
03:53what we stand for.
03:55And that's really, really important.
03:57And is that a problem locally in this constituency?
03:59It's a problem across the country.
04:00It's a problem in the constituency, yeah.
04:02I mean, in Boston,
04:04you can walk through the town centre,
04:06and I love talking to people,
04:08but 40% of people,
04:10as you walk through the town centre,
04:11will barely speak a word of English.
04:12We've got a problem with illegal,
04:15legal in inverted commas,
04:16immigration, people coming from Bulgaria and Romania
04:20on a visitor visa.
04:21The moment they get here,
04:23they're trying to claim that they've been here
04:26for many months or years,
04:27and trying to claim EU settlement status.
04:29So yeah, there's fraud,
04:32there's illegality going on,
04:34and we're trying to stop it.
04:35It's not easy.
04:36In Saville Town in particular,
04:37it seems that the statistics suggest
04:39that the white population is not a minority.
04:41And are you worried about that?
04:43Actually, do you know,
04:45skin colour's irrelevant.
04:46It's about, are you working?
04:48Are you integrating?
04:49Are you part of your local community?
04:51And there's our slogan,
04:52family, community, country.
04:55Those are the key things.
04:56Getting stuck in, getting involved,
04:58getting up in the morning, going to work.
05:00What we can't do is pay millions of people
05:03to sit on their arse at home.
05:04And we are the party of the workers and the strivers,
05:08not the shirkers and the skivers.
05:09What would reform do to that end?
05:12Well, we need to have,
05:13we need to stop illegal immigration
05:15by stopping the boats.
05:16We can pick up and take back legally.
05:18That requires just political courage.
05:20And then we want net zero immigration.
05:22We want smart immigration.
05:23And we've got to stop cheap, low-skilled immigration.
05:26We've got to stop big business
05:28from relying on not training our own people.
05:31And that's really important.
05:32And if we do that,
05:33then you create a shortage of labour.
05:36That means that actually people will,
05:38it's basic economics.
05:39If you can't afford the labour supply,
05:41you invest in capital equipment to replace it.
05:43And that's how an economy works.
05:46That's how it worked in the 80s and 90s.
05:48And we can do that again.
05:49And then everybody will be better off.
05:51And that's our key thing.
05:53You've got to make work pay.
05:54You've got to make risk-taking pay.
05:56And if you do that,
05:57then other great things will happen.
05:58We got in.
05:59Yeah, we're making progress.
06:01It's all happening.
06:01Now we've got to get stuck in,
06:03stop the boats,
06:04stop the nonsense.
06:06Thank you very much.
06:07Well, have you seen the progress we've made since?
06:09Yes.
06:10We're now number one in the polls.
06:11We're going to push on.
06:12Have a lovely day.
06:13See you.
06:13These speeches are brilliant.
06:15You and Rupert Lowe and Nigel Farage.
06:16Yeah, we're getting stuck in.
06:17We're not lucky about it.
06:18I think you're going to do it next time.
06:19Well, we've got to.
06:20We were lifelong conservatives.
06:21I know.
06:22We voted for you.
06:22So was I.
06:23Yeah.
06:23But you know,
06:24they let us down.
06:25They betrayed us.
06:25Knack of the job.
06:26Nice to see you.
06:27Thanks for saying hello.
06:28All right.
06:28Cheers.
06:29See you.
06:29Got to kick Starm but out quickly.
06:31I know it's going to take too long,
06:32but we will kick him out.
06:33I invented that word Starmageddon.
06:35I didn't realize it'd be that bad.
06:36Oh, no.
06:37It's worse than that.
06:38It's worse than that, isn't it?
06:39Just shocking.
06:40Do you remember me then?
06:41I do.
06:41Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
06:43We're doing all right.
06:43We're battling on.
06:44Just the job.
06:46Anyway, I need a bit of coffee
06:47just to, you know, get the soul going.
06:50So here is the jolly fisherman
06:54here in Skegness.
06:55And the slogan,
06:56Skegness is so bracing.
06:59Do you find much of the people
07:00are angry, frustrated here?
07:02There's a lot of frustration
07:03and there is some anger,
07:04but there's a lot of hope that
07:06we can turn things around,
07:07make a difference.
07:08And it's quite a responsibility,
07:11which, you know,
07:12we really feel that people,
07:14people say you're the last hope,
07:16the last chance.
07:17When someone said to me
07:18at a meeting the other day,
07:21he said,
07:21the next election is yours to lose.
07:23I thought, wow.
07:24You think where we've come from,
07:25it's pretty remarkable.
07:27But it's a sign of
07:30how the two main parties
07:31have utterly failed.
07:32The Tories broke Britain
07:34and now Labour is rapidly
07:35bankrupting Britain.
07:36What are people angry about,
07:38frustrated about?
07:39They're angry about
07:40the state of the country,
07:41the state of public services,
07:43the cost of housing,
07:44the cost of living,
07:44the cost of energy,
07:46all of them.
07:47And then, you know,
07:48mass immigration that people
07:49didn't vote for.
07:51The fact that the main parties,
07:53the Tories,
07:54they said they would control
07:55our borders
07:56and they did exactly the opposite.
07:57They opened it up to mass immigration
07:59and that's having a huge impact
08:02that's reducing
08:03our quality of life,
08:04it's suppressing wages,
08:06it's putting unsustainable pressure
08:07on the healthcare system,
08:09it's meaning higher housing rents,
08:10lack of availability of housing.
08:12So, yeah,
08:12people are really angry
08:13because this stuff's not rocket science
08:17and it's not what people voted for.
08:20How is it representing an area
08:21you're not from yourself?
08:24These are all the same issues
08:25across the whole country
08:26and here in Boston, Skegness,
08:28people are getting poorer
08:29and they know it.
08:29They know that
08:31they sort of look back,
08:31well, I remember it 20 years ago
08:33where there was work available,
08:35we could afford housing,
08:36we could get jobs
08:38and people are angry.
08:40They're frustrated
08:41and so that's a really important thing.
08:43That's why people come up to me and say,
08:46you know,
08:46please keep battling on,
08:47keep trying.
08:48You're obviously a very wealthy man,
08:49a millionaire,
08:50property developer.
08:52How do you connect with the people here
08:54who are generally a lot poorer?
08:55Here's the thing,
08:57people respect hard work achievements
09:00How are you?
09:00Nice to see you.
09:01You all right?
09:02How are we, sir?
09:03Yeah, nice to see you, all right?
09:05Thanks a lot.
09:07Do you know what people like?
09:08Successful people getting stuck in
09:10and telling it as it is
09:12because they know that,
09:14I think people realise
09:15you want good people
09:17running the country,
09:18managing things,
09:19taking tough decisions
09:21and you can't keep spending
09:23more than you're earning.
09:24You can't at home,
09:25you can't in your business
09:27and we shouldn't as a country
09:29and so I think so often
09:31people are lamenting
09:33the woeful quality of too many people
09:37running the country in politics
09:39and it's not easy
09:41in the sense it shouldn't be easy
09:43but I think we do need
09:45higher quality people in politics.
09:46Speaking of those people,
09:47what do you make of Keir Starmer as a man
09:50when you've interacted with him?
09:52Well, frankly,
09:54I just think that he acts and thinks
09:56like an international human rights lawyer.
09:59He doesn't act and think like
10:01how am I going to make people better off?
10:03How am I going to incentivise work?
10:04How am I going to incentivise risk-taking
10:07and how am I going to make people more prosperous?
10:09He's got no idea at all.
10:11He's never run a business.
10:12No one in his team has ever run a business.
10:14They literally haven't got a clue
10:16and all they seem to spend their time doing
10:18is betraying our country
10:19by giving our money away
10:20on overseas climate aid,
10:23on ridiculous carbon capture schemes,
10:26giving away tens of billions of pounds
10:30on giving away our own freehold
10:32called the Chagos Islands.
10:34Strategically important defence asset.
10:36Utterly disgraceful.
10:38That's the ultimate betrayal
10:39is giving our money away to other people
10:43when you're taking money away from our own pensioners.
10:45We've got 22,500 pensioners
10:48in this constituency of Boston and Skegness
10:51who have lost their winter furlough allowance
10:54to be told that we've got to give
10:55billions of pounds of their money
10:59to Mauritians who never own the Chagos Islands
11:03and who are in breach of an international treaty
11:05when they said they would give up any claim to it.
11:07It's a scandal.
11:08It's an outrage.
11:09It's got to stop.
11:10What do you think his motivations are, the Prime Minister?
11:12Credit where credit's due.
11:13I think he's getting better and more confident
11:16in the chamber as Prime Minister,
11:18partly due to the woeful incompetence of Kemi Vaidnok.
11:23But the reality is that I don't think he understands
11:28what his job is.
11:29His job is to make the British people better off.
11:32His job is to protect and defend the British people.
11:35And we've had to drag him kicking and screaming
11:38on defence, for example,
11:39to get to two and a half defence spending
11:42in the next couple of years.
11:43That was in our contract at the election
11:46and then 3% in year six.
11:48So I'm delighted he's got there in the end.
11:51But it's sort of kicking and screaming.
11:54Obviously reform would like to form the next government
11:56and people have obviously heard a lot
11:58from you and Nigel and others
11:59about migration and your policies there.
12:01But I think they'll want to know more about other things,
12:04like the NHS, for example.
12:05The NHS is the most wasteful department
12:08in the whole of the country.
12:09And when I talk about the waste and incompetence,
12:12the mismanagement,
12:13I always get contacted by nurses and doctors saying,
12:17you're so right, please keep telling it as it is.
12:20GDPR is stopping different GPs and pharmacies
12:24from being able to talk to each other
12:26through the same computer system,
12:28which means that time is wasted, money is wasted,
12:31patients are inconvenienced.
12:32This is madness, the absolute insanity,
12:36insanity of bungling bureaucracy.
12:40So our plan with the NHS is
12:43we need to use the independent sector much, much more.
12:46So the NHS should be buying
12:48millions more appointments and consultations and scans
12:52from the independent healthcare sector.
12:54That would ease the pressure on the NHS.
12:56Still free at the point of delivery
12:58before anybody whinges and whines,
12:59saying you're going to privatise the NHS.
13:02F**ks, that's absolute nonsense.
13:04What we're going to do is be smart
13:06about how we do healthcare.
13:07And in this country,
13:08we need to talk about healthcare, not the NHS.
13:11The NHS has become a religion in this country.
13:14And what's happened is actually
13:17the customers, patients, as a result, have suffered.
13:21The NHS is a service to its customers
13:24and it's failing its customers and it's got to change.
13:26Is the future looking bright for places like this?
13:28The future at the moment is challenging.
13:31But if Reform UK form the next government,
13:33then the future will look brighter.
13:35It'll take some time to turn it around,
13:37but we will start to make people better off.
13:39The general election campaign,
13:41people will remember that you stepped aside for Nigel
13:44when he became leader of Reform UK.
13:46Who called who?
13:47Did he give you a call and ask you?
13:48No, I'd been urging Nigel to get back into politics big time
13:54since, you know, basically since he got back from
13:57I'm a Celebrity the previous December.
13:59And we all knew, Nigel knew, it was a massive lifestyle decision.
14:03But the state of the country was getting worse and worse.
14:06And he was furious.
14:09I was furious.
14:10And we knew that actually, in a sense,
14:14Nigel's the most recognisable, famous politician in the country.
14:20But it was a huge decision for him.
14:21So you're the one who called him up and asked him to come back?
14:25And obviously, I've been growing Reform.
14:27And so I said, yeah, look, you know,
14:31if you want to do this, then let's do it.
14:34And so we, you know, we looked at it.
14:38He looked at it.
14:39And we said, yeah, actually, this is doable.
14:41Would Reform be as effective in polling and with people's opinions
14:47and people's views and the support if Nigel weren't leader?
14:51Well, the reality is, as I say, Nigel's the most successful
14:55politician of a generation, the most recognised.
14:58And that's been a huge pull.
15:00So yeah, it's but in a sense, this is worked out exactly as we hoped.
15:06Actually, the truth is, it's happening faster than we hoped
15:09because of what Labour have done.
15:11How are you doing? All right.
15:12Because they're bankrupting the country.
15:15So people are saying, yeah, and people are saying,
15:17thank heavens, there's an alternative choice.
15:19Thank heavens, successful people like Nigel, like myself,
15:24like Lee Anderson and Rupert getting stuck in.
15:27So you personally felt good on that stage, stepping aside for Nigel?
15:31I was thrilled to bits.
15:32Because people might have felt a bit sorry for you.
15:34Garbage.
15:35I think what people said was actually, do you know what?
15:38We're doing this for the country.
15:39We're doing it because it's the right thing to do to maximise the opportunity,
15:43maximise the choice for the country.
15:46And so, no, I was absolutely thrilled he came back.
15:49We were chatting earlier on about how much time you're spending in the constituency.
15:51You've come under some flack recently for spending some time in Dubai.
15:55Obviously, your partner Isabel is based there now.
15:57What do you say to the people who say you shouldn't be there, you should be here?
16:01What I say is, and my constituents back me up on this hugely.
16:04I'm working seven days a week, 24-7.
16:08And every six or seven weeks, I reckon that I deserve a long weekend off
16:13in order to recharge the batteries.
16:15And people respect that.
16:16You can't perform at your best if you are knackered and run down.
16:21So, and here's the point.
16:23People see that I'm in the top 10 of people speaking in Parliament.
16:27I'm always in the constituency.
16:29I'm visible.
16:30You can see today.
16:31People recognise me.
16:32They see me around.
16:33I'm putting Boston and Skegness back on the map.
16:36I think people are thrilled.
16:37My uncle built the first skyscraper in Dubai in the 1970s.
16:41What I learned is that they are smart.
16:45They're getting stuff done.
16:46They're growing fast.
16:47How are you, all right?
16:49They are using their energy treasure under their feet.
16:51And we should be doing the same.
16:52That's why I want to use our oil and gas and shale gas.
16:56And so the thing you never read in Dubai papers is two words, net zero.
17:03Net stupid zero.
17:04And that's why I'm so convinced and committed to scrapping this net zero policy.
17:10The attitude from the establishment here is can stop, will stop.
17:14As opposed to can do, will do.
17:16And that's the difference.
17:18We have to be brave enough to say we're messing it up here.
17:20We're not good enough.
17:22We need to learn from others.
17:23Get stuck in and make progress and make Britain grow again.
17:29So I'm actually, do you know what?
17:31I think it's fantastic to be able to learn lessons from elsewhere.
17:37The Tories, remember, impose net stupid zero on the country.
17:41They have to pay the price for that grotesque negligence.
17:44The Tories are the ones who impose mass uncontrolled immigration on us.
17:50And then you've got Priti Patel saying that it was the right thing
17:55and that anybody who criticizes her should apologize.
17:57I mean, yeah, ludicrous.
18:00So fundamentally, they don't believe in the critical policies and values
18:06that we believe in, in order to make people better off.
18:09And so frankly, competition is a good thing.
18:13And we're just going to, we're in a seismic change,
18:18a once in a 100 year change in British politics.
18:22And competition is a great thing.
18:24And we're going to out-compete them.
18:26Can we not care to stay as leader of the Tories, do you think?
18:29Who knows? Who cares?
18:31So do you think her days are numbered?
18:33I neither know nor care.
18:34We're focusing on we're doing well, and we are doing very well.
18:38And that's for the Tories.
18:41I'm the best person to make this constituency great again.
18:45And I think I can make a massive contribution to turning the country around.
18:49How are you, sir? Nice to see you, all right?
18:50Yeah, keep up the good work, all right?
18:52What do you think he's doing well?
18:53He's doing what normal people want him to do for the country,
18:57which is get rid of the illegal immigrants and just get Britain working again.
19:02Yeah, you see, we've just been talking about it.
19:03Getting Britain working.
19:04Getting Britain working.
19:05Yeah, make work pay.
19:06Are many people like yourself your age thinking the same?
19:09Yeah, anybody like my dad.
19:10Are you saying he's younger than me?
19:13It's a good place to say goodbye.
19:14Thank you very much for your time.
19:15Brilliant, thanks for coming.
19:16Really appreciate it.
19:17What you've seen is that I'm engaged, I'm known, I'm appreciated.
19:23And people understand that we're trying to make a difference.
19:26And there's a recognition that there's, well, there's some hope.
19:30But actually, people here are anxious about the current state of the country,
19:35but they're hopeful and optimistic that we can turn it around.
19:38And you're hoping that's your field to number 10?
19:41Yeah, we're going to win.