Terrorism from Afghan Soil into Pakistan... Is the Afghan Taliban's Control in Afghanistan Weak?
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00:00On one hand, we have repeatedly told the Afghan government to stop using their own land which they had promised not to use against Pakistan and any other country.
00:14Secondly, we have not heard a word from them.
00:17Thirdly, no action has been taken against the TTP.
00:20In fact, we can see support now.
00:22And from here, when we hand over the Jaffar of Khurasan to the US, the US is thankful.
00:29But Khurasan versus Taliban is also an issue.
00:33Will there be a backlash for this or will there be more activities on it?
00:38Look, what backlash will there be?
00:42Despite the fact that Pakistan helped a lot in the Doha agreement,
00:51not only the US, but the Taliban themselves,
00:54the way they came into power without any interference,
00:58Pakistan did not interfere in this.
01:02But what has Pakistan got in return for this?
01:05They strengthened the TTP and released all the terrorists in the jails.
01:11The person who has just been handed over, along with him, 47 more people have been arrested by the ISKP.
01:19These are all the people who are present in Afghanistan.
01:23According to the report of the UN Security Council,
01:27the Afghan Taliban are not interested in containing these groups.
01:33Their interest is to continue their work with the boxes of dollars that come every week from the US.
01:44As far as the backlash against Pakistan is concerned,
01:48it is a declaration of war.
01:50Their people are being killed here.
01:53Their serving military is like the Taliban.
01:56They have been killed here.
01:58Many times they do not take the bodies, then they take them.
02:02So what more backlash will there be than this?
02:06Amir sahib, the biggest problem is that there is a surge of terrorist wave in Pakistan.
02:14Pakistan did not take action first.
02:21Pakistan went for the diplomatic route.
02:23These fissures were initially seen when the Taliban took control of Afghanistan.
02:30Groups started fighting among themselves.
02:32So can we expect that the rule in Afghanistan will be such
02:36that it will be able to stop any activity that disturbs the neighborhood?
02:41Was there such a surge in leadership in Afghanistan?
02:44You are absolutely right.
02:47Since the Taliban returned to Kabul in August 2021,
02:51the graph of terrorism in Pakistan has gone up.
02:56There are many reasons for this.
02:58The first question is that the policy makers of Pakistan,
03:01when we were on the Taliban in very bad days,
03:04all through the war on terror,
03:06Pakistan supported the Taliban.
03:09And because of that, we also had to face America and NATO.
03:13I mean, there was a backlash with us.
03:15We were accused that Pakistan was playing a double game.
03:17But Pakistan thought that we should have fun in Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
03:22We thought that the Taliban was the position of Pakistan,
03:25that it is an indigenous movement and you will have to negotiate with these people somewhere.
03:29So Pakistan proved right from the time and America had to negotiate with the Taliban.
03:34After that, they left from there.
03:37Mr. Agar has lost his voice.
03:40Now the biggest concern is, what next?
04:06NATO-led forces, US NATO-led forces came.
04:09They also could not establish their rids all over Afghanistan.
04:13So the question is, are the Taliban, which is a ragtag army,
04:17are we expecting them to establish rids all over their country?
04:22As you said yourself, it is a challenge to Daesh.
04:25Daesh is an anti-Taliban force.
04:27At times, I think the Taliban may not be able to take action because of this.
04:33They may not be able to take action because of Daesh.
04:37So we have a double-edged challenge for Pakistan.
04:40Number one, we have to end terrorism in our country.
04:43Number two, what should we do about it?
04:45Do we just want a hostile relationship with Afghanistan?
04:49Or should we do a covered diplomacy?
04:51Talk to them and try to make them understand
04:55that they also want to cooperate with Pakistan.
04:58Instead of going all out and doing a vindictive diplomacy.
05:03We are very saddened.
05:05Amir sahib, you have said that we should diplomatically explain to them
05:09that living with Pakistan is in your favour.
05:12But Mr. Solangi, we have been doing this for a long time.
05:14And as you said, we also supported the Taliban in Doha.
05:19And we also made a safe passage for the US.
05:22So we were trying to bridge the gap that was there at that time.
05:26Didn't that make it clear that Pakistan wants to move on
05:30with its relations with Afghanistan?
05:32So here, in the case of terrorism,
05:34the Afghan nationals are involved in such a heavy amount.
05:38And then ultimately we have to be forced to take this step
05:42that we have been hosting them for decades.
05:45They are making a hole in the same plate.
05:47So we have to send them back.
05:49Is this not enough?
05:51Or should we still do something diplomatically?
05:55Look, as they say in English,
05:59comparisons are always lame.
06:02The comparisons are often lame.
06:05It is sad that the governments that have existed
06:12from 1978 to 2021 in Afghanistan,
06:16whether it is from 1978 to 1989 with the presence of the Soviet troops,
06:23or from 2001 to 2021 with the presence of the US troops,
06:29the governments have always had challenges.
06:33But where did they get the challenges from?
06:36When the Soviet troops were there,
06:39we had set up a jihadist factory here.
06:44And the western world was training them here.
06:49And we were also helping them.
06:51Similarly, when the US and allied forces were present,
06:56the problems at that time were that the Afghan Taliban
07:01were also destabilizing them from here and inside Afghanistan.
07:05Where is the threat to the Afghan Taliban at this time?
07:08Pakistan is not doing any such campaign there to destabilize their government.
07:14Iran is not doing it. Central Asia is not doing it.
07:16At this time, they are destabilizing themselves.
07:19Because of the promises they made, their government was removed in 2001.
07:26So they are repeating those actions.
07:29Al-Qaeda is there, Daesh is there, TTP is there,
07:33Uzbek militants are there, Uyghurs are there.
07:36So they have gathered all the terrorists of the world again.
07:40So if there is any destabilization at this time,
07:43they are doing it themselves.
07:45It is said that such destabilization is in their DNA.
07:49We are not involved in any of this.
07:52Now look, the Afghan immigrants or immigrants are not in such large numbers
07:59in any other country in the world.
08:01And where has Iran kept them?
08:04Where has Central Asia kept them?
08:06We have been with them for half a century.
08:09You have seen that even during the Nigran government,
08:126-7 lakh people were removed from the Nigran government
08:15despite all the opposition.
08:17So now we know what the problem is.