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00:00That has given England a real problem if they're going to try and qualify.
00:03They have two games remaining.
00:05Wednesday, they're back here in Lahore to take on Afghanistan.
00:07There's actually a bit of rain forecast potentially for that.
00:10But that is a must win really now.
00:12So is the game against South Africa in Karachi.
00:15Australia are taking the points, which is important for the Champions Trophy
00:18and their qualification hopes for the semi.
00:20But with Nasser and Matthew Hazen, that is a win against the old enemy.
00:24That's what matters most.
00:25They get these Champions Trophy points, isn't it?
00:28Some innings, some run, Chase.
00:32Yeah, when you think back to Ducat's 160,
00:35it was always going to take something very special from one Australian.
00:39I didn't know if it was going to come so low down the order.
00:42That kept Australian fans chewing at the bit.
00:45When you think about how they were in trouble, two for 20 inside
00:48that first power play was something to come back from.
00:51And the partnership with Kerry, who's been in sublime form,
00:54that that was a really magic stage of the match.
00:57So, yeah, some innings.
00:58He used the pace.
01:00And it wasn't just the fact that he was using the pace.
01:02He used his brain as well, didn't he?
01:04He did right from the very first ball.
01:06He got off the mark straight away with a boundary.
01:08He's arguably one of their better players of spin.
01:11That's why he's been in the side and come into the side.
01:14He's in great nick, him and Kerry.
01:16Kerry's been in good nick as well in the recent tour of Sri Lanka.
01:19And they just were busy.
01:21Amazing thing with a run, Chase.
01:22Usually when you see it 350 plus, you panic a little bit
01:26and you go a little bit too hard, too early.
01:28But they didn't.
01:29They were always up with the rate.
01:30They lost those two early wickets and didn't panic.
01:33It's an extraordinary win.
01:35I know they've got most of their batters here,
01:37but with the bowling attack, they are missing on a surface like this
01:40to keep England to maybe 20 runs below par.
01:43We all thought the halfway mark 20 runs more in England are well in that game.
01:48They chased it down comfortably.
01:50That is some win from Australia.
01:51This is no excuse.
01:52And I'm genuinely not making an excuse.
01:54But you walked out to join us just a moment or two ago.
01:56And you went, it's wet.
01:58The dews surely changed conditions a bit in Australia's favour.
02:01Yeah, 100%.
02:02And that's right at the toss.
02:03When you think back to the vision of Steve Smith at the toss saying,
02:07look, he thinks it's going to be due in.
02:08They'd had a couple of training sessions ahead of this match under lights
02:12and there was due.
02:13But I see this all the time in IPL.
02:16One side bats, they're so determined, Chase, because they know in some venues,
02:21for example, like Bangaluru, that it's just such a different surface.
02:25Ball skidding on.
02:26They used a heavy roller.
02:27I asked both of you, actually, your opinion on that,
02:30whether it was a light roller or a heavy roller.
02:32But they chose the heavy roller.
02:34And Woody, at the time, you said, well, they'll probably just dampen
02:37the first 10 overs, hoping that the due comes in later on.
02:41And that's exactly what happened.
02:43You know, it still doesn't get around the fact, though,
02:47that that innings was something very, very special.
02:50To have the bottle to remain in the game for such a long time
02:55takes courage and it takes belief, something which you'd sort of
02:58think amongst Australian cricket teams that have had over the years.
03:03But because there are so many changes to this lineup,
03:05virtually it's a second 11 Australian side with all their superstars out.
03:11Could England have done anything different in their tactics?
03:14They had issues.
03:15Cars didn't have a great day.
03:17We've mentioned the due and that affects the ball being gripped.
03:19Archer was off the field for a period of time.
03:21That said, could England have done anything different?
03:23I think the makeup of the bowling attacks were very similar.
03:26So four frontline bowlers and their mix and match to the three bowlers
03:30to get you through ten or even more.
03:32And I think England did that as well.
03:34But the difference between the two sides, Steve Smith did it better
03:39and their bowlers did it better.
03:40How many of the Australian bowlers had a bad day?
03:43Nathan Ellis, I thought, was excellent.
03:45He went wicketless, but he only went at five and a bit and then Zampa.
03:48And they all kept Australia in the game.
03:50The problem when you have that balance of the attack,
03:53if one has a bad day or one and a half as England, you're gone.
03:57You've got nowhere to go as a captain.
03:59So Cars has a bad day.
04:00Archer goes off and then he's not at his best towards the end there.
04:04He's going around the park and the drop catch.
04:07Then you are really chasing the game.
04:08So that was the difference for me.
04:10The balance of the side was a gamble on a flat surface.
04:13Australia's gamble paid off because they all put in a decent,
04:17if not very good performance.
04:19England, with that balance of the side, you cannot afford one person
04:22to get injured and you cannot afford one person to have a bad day.
04:26And that happened.
04:27We're pretty good at stealing players, you know, over the years.
04:29We had a few from South Africa.
04:31I mean, maybe we could just just pull him back.
04:33Quite interesting that Steve Smith said he never got out of first gear.
04:36He's in cruise mode.
04:37He's got 120 off 80 odd balls.
04:38Not bad, not out.
04:39Yeah, he's back end in particular.
04:41I think he probably did go to overdrive.
04:43He maybe had a sixth gear as what Smudge was trying to say there to us.
04:47But yeah, superb, superb character.
04:50You know, it's when you think about your first hundred for Australia
04:53in a situation where you're chasing 350,
04:56that's a sort of career changer for you in conditions like this
05:00in a tournament as big as this is.
05:02If you are in a mental position to be able to score 100 there,
05:05it just sets you up for the rest of your career.
05:08We mentioned the balance of England's side
05:09and how that can sometimes make things different in these conditions
05:12if someone's not on their game or someone goes down injured.
05:14Steve Smith had to fiddle around with the lineup of their side,
05:18losing those three terrific players with 1,700 international wickets
05:21between them.
05:22And he's got to fiddle a few overs.
05:24How did he go today to restrict England to something
05:26that won the end was quite easily chasable?
05:28I thought he was brilliant, actually.
05:29I thought more importantly, the lads he turned to were brilliant.
05:32So on a flat pitch, quick outfield, ducky going absolutely ducky en route.
05:37Two magnificent players a spin and your backup bowlers are spinners
05:41for them to come in and just not let England get away from them
05:44and just have periods of three or four overs.
05:47You're always going to go for boundaries here,
05:49but not let your head drop.
05:50Just keep going through your plans.
05:52Keep introducing that fifth six bowler occasionally fielding.
05:56The carry catch is brilliant.
05:57The fielding in the deep.
05:58And it was it was weird being on this outfield in between play
06:02and seeing England get three, five, one and thinking
06:05that maybe 20 or 30 short.
06:07You you've you've left a few out there.
06:09And as Steve Smith said there, we were actually quite happy chasing 350.
06:13So I thought those the mixing and matching from Australia
06:17was better than what England could manage because Brydon
06:21Carr said a bad evening.
06:23Archer had a bad evening in the latter part of his spell.
06:26England's fielding, the drop catch wasn't as good as Carey's
06:29magnificent catches.
06:30And in the end, when you have two good sides like that,
06:32that's going to be the difference.
06:33Those small moments in a game in 100 overs, those small moments cost you.
06:38And they cost England.
06:39And Australia didn't actually make that many mistakes today.
06:42What would that do for the squad?
06:43Not just the 11 players that were on the field today winning this game,
06:46but you have lost those three senior bowlers.
06:49Mitch Marsh is injured.
06:51Stoinis has retired.
06:52So they're trying to find their way.
06:53They're on the big stage now to pull off something like that.
06:56What would that do in terms of progression through this tournament?
06:59Woody, I get the sense talking to the lads this morning
07:02that they were kind of in a mindset where they were just going to give it a crack.
07:06You know, I suppose so often that Australia comes to these tournaments
07:10and they've won eight ICC tournaments, you know, so it's a
07:14it's a big stage to arrive with a very big and rich history of winning.
07:18So this group, I'd say, sort of sees the opportunity
07:23to shine outside, you know, the big three.
07:26Even the bowlers tonight, Ellis in particular, was his opportunity
07:30to be a frontline bowler for Australia.
07:32And he snatched it, didn't take a wicket,
07:34but he was superb on a very good batting surface.
07:37So those signs and Australian cricket will take that as a as a real compliment
07:41to its backup players, if you like.
07:44I mean, once you start removing Pat Cummins, Hazelwood and Stark,
07:48you can maybe afford to lose one of those and hope to win a tournament.
07:51But, you know, considering this performance tonight,
07:54that that's a real moral booster for the side.
07:57Josh Butler's just done the interview with Mike Latham.
07:59He's just gone up to do the written press.
08:01That's another game, another step, another lump of pressure
08:04that is upon his shoulders.
08:05Yeah, as Haydos was chatting now, I was thinking England complete
08:09flip side to that.
08:10Australia missing all their players.
08:12The expectancy was there.
08:14Maybe today may not be their day.
08:17Maybe they will miss a bowling attack.
08:19I think England, the flip side was actually when Duckett was smashing it
08:22everywhere and got 165 and this getting up towards 350 plus.
08:27You were thinking maybe England have found a formula.
08:30Maybe these conditions will suit England.
08:33They can't work out whether to play the extra batter, which they did today.
08:36I mean, their bowling's a bit short or play one of their bowling
08:40all rounders, Atkinson or Overton, but then their batting's a bit short.
08:43I think recent cricket has shown the value of one individual,
08:46and that is Ben Stokes.
08:48You know that Ben Stokes character, an individual
08:52makes your balance of your batting and your bowling much more comfortable.
08:56And I think he's a big loss.
08:57Well, I'm sure there's mixed emotions for Ben Duckett,
08:59who is waiting to come and join us.
09:01Come in between myself and Nass,
09:02because when both of us stand next to Matthew Hayden,
09:05it makes me feel very small.
09:06I'm sure it's mixed emotions for you with the defeat,
09:09but a majestic, magnificent hundred from you.
09:12Yeah, to be honest, I feel pretty flat right now.
09:16I'm obviously happy to have, you know, scored runs, but,
09:19you know, it's just never the same in a losing cause.
09:22Where did that second innings get away from you as a side, do you think?
09:26I mean, I think first of all, you know, when a side chased down 350,
09:33you've got to give them credit.
09:34I think they played really well in those middle overs.
09:38I don't know, to be honest, it felt like we were one,
09:41two wickets away from, you know, potentially winning pretty easily.
09:47You know, I couldn't always, where I was fielding, see the lines we were bowling,
09:51but it felt like we were maybe cut a little bit too much on that wicket.
09:56You know, the one thing I spoke about was, you know, keeping the stumps in play.
10:00But, you know, you only have to walk across here to see it.
10:03It did get easier.
10:04You know, the back end of our innings, it felt impossible to kind of
10:08stand there and try and hit sixes, you know, when Joss and Livy and those guys came in.
10:12I think, you know, their conditions obviously changed.
10:16But, yeah, I mean, we were happy halfway, winning the toss and scoring 350
10:19and getting, you know, Steve Smith and Travis Head in the power play.
10:24Things couldn't have started much better.
10:26I just think, you know, we were just lacking a wicket or two in the middle overs.
10:30With the bat then, just how do those, explain how those conditions do change?
10:33Because it looked that the ball was coming on very nicely to start with.
10:36Maybe that was the hardness of the ball.
10:37Then is it the sun beating down, the ball getting softer where it just starts to grip?
10:40I saw Joss occasionally just say, you know, that stopped in the pitch.
10:44And then contrast that now.
10:46I mean, it is wet. It's going to zip on.
10:48It sort of evolves pitches in this part of the world as you go through the game.
10:52Explain what that's like.
10:53Yeah, I mean, we were unsure how much it was going to change.
10:58I think chatting to the groundsman, he didn't think it was too much.
11:02You know, but I think you could see the color of the ball they had.
11:07You know, Marnus is getting me out there.
11:09It was almost hitting the base of the stumps.
11:11You know, we tried the same things.
11:13It just doesn't quite do that as much later on at night.
11:17But to be honest, you know, we scored 350.
11:20We felt like we were in an extremely good position to win that game.
11:23And yeah, there were probably just certain moments that we'll talk about
11:27the, you know, what we can do better moving forward.
11:31You know, there's certainly a lot more positives
11:33I think we can take from this game.
11:34And, you know, now we've got to wake up tomorrow and think about Afghanistan.
11:38And, you know, it's not a long competition.
11:40There's only going to be hopefully four games left.
11:43And it's about winning them at the right time.
11:45I know you won't want to talk about your innings, but it was pretty special.
11:47And we've had a few conversations after games of cricket where
11:50or you could have gone and got 100.
11:52You got a magnificent 100 today.
11:54Magnificent.
11:55And that was what you're trying to take your game to the next level.
11:58And you didn't just get past 100, you kicked on.
12:00Yeah, I mean, I think I was really excited
12:03when I got told by Baz I was going to open in this format.
12:06It's a format that I haven't played a lot of.
12:10And it's just something that I want to I want to do.
12:12I want to score hundreds in this format at the top of the order.
12:14I want to score big hundreds.
12:16You know, I want to score hundreds where we win games,
12:19you know, and be that guy who wins his games.
12:21Yeah. So I'm obviously delighted with the, you know,
12:25the way I'm hitting the ball at the minute.
12:27And hopefully I can take that forward.
12:29Just from a vatting point of view, there was a couple of instances
12:31where Glenn Maxwell had bowled pretty well to you and he'd kept it pretty tight.
12:34And then he managed to get him away for the final ball of the over for a boundary.
12:38Are you just saying, right, I can't allow him to get a dot or a two.
12:41I'm not going to take a two.
12:42I've got to take the positive option and put some pressure back
12:45and get that boundary.
12:47Yeah, I mean, not all the time.
12:49I wasn't overly thinking it.
12:50I've obviously spent a bit of time with Maxi in Melbourne,
12:54and I know that he likes to go for a pole or two occasionally.
12:57And, you know, I think the beauty now is people are cutting off the sweeps for me,
13:01which, you know, allows me to hit straight.
13:03And, you know, on that pitch, it felt like really early.
13:06Actually, I'm not going to sweep too much with the bounce being a little bit
13:09invariable, but, you know, I'm going to commit and run down
13:12and make sure I can hit the ball straight.
13:14And I think that's probably the biggest part of my game that I've tried to change.
13:19I was going to ask you exactly that.
13:20You've evolved, haven't you?
13:21When you first came into the side, everyone saw the sweeps, the slog sweeps,
13:25the little dab sweeps, every sweep and the reverse.
13:28And so they've gone squarer.
13:30But that does mean someone has to come up straight down the ground.
13:33We've seen you practicing a lot in the nets, running down and belting it over the top.
13:37Yeah. And obviously in this format, that extra man up, it's so big,
13:41you know, in T20 cricket, they'd probably still have a long on.
13:44And, you know, would I get run down as much? I'm not sure.
13:46But, you know, it's the beauty of this format,
13:48especially batting through the middle overs against spin.
13:51It always feels like there is a gap somewhere.
13:54Yeah. And it's something that I'm working on.
13:56You know, I might get caught mid-off next game.
13:58Who knows? But it's something that I back myself to do now.
14:02And, you know, I've only got to clear the ring.
14:04How do you balance it?
14:04Because obviously, Brendan McCullum and the skipper wants you to be positive
14:08and attacking and with Phil Salt.
14:10But you are also England's one of England's with Joe Root, best player of spin.
14:14So you need to be in when spin comes on.
14:16So you're at the top of the order.
14:17But some of your value is actually in the middle overs as well.
14:20How do you balance and have you done that well today?
14:22Do you think that was the secret that you were in when spin came on and you went big?
14:27Yeah, potentially.
14:28I mean, facing spins a lot easier when you're 40 not out.
14:32You know, when coming in the middle overs, it is tricky.
14:36I've done a lot of it in my career.
14:37But, you know, the thought process probably is facing the new ball in test cricket.
14:41And I feel like I can certainly put, you know, I probably wouldn't have run down
14:45and hit those first two off Maxwell if I was on four, you know.
14:49But being 40 or whatever I am on, you know, you're already in a suit.
14:53They want to come in and bowl a couple of overs where they go for seven or eight.
14:57But the game's a lot easier when you're in.
14:59And I think that's the thought process behind it.
15:01And today I was certainly not fluent at the top.
15:04You know, I was probably my slowest power play I've had.
15:07But I knew in my head that, you know, they were going to bowl a lot of spin
15:10through those middle overs.
15:11And it was it was spin that I could target.
15:13Just finally, the challenge for you is set out.
15:17You've got to beat Afghanistan, got to beat South Africa and see what happens.
15:20But how much have you just watched Joss come back from the press conference up there?
15:23He looks a bit disconsolate.
15:25Do you have to put your arm around the captain?
15:26Because, you know, he says he's practicing his smile.
15:28There wasn't a big smile when he was just walking back over there to the dressing room.
15:32No. And, you know, completely right.
15:34You know, we're all feeling the same thing.
15:36You know, we're in a competition and we've lost the first game.
15:38And, you know, against Australia, it's always amazing playing against Australia.
15:42And it's a side that we always want to be.
15:44And I think the frustrating bit today is we've probably played
15:47some very good cricket for a lot of it.
15:50You know, it's not just going to be Joss.
15:51We're all going to be hurting.
15:53But the beauty of this format is it's a short tournament
15:57and we'll wake up tomorrow and we'll get ready for Afghanistan.
16:00Well played to you. Bad luck on the result.
16:02Appreciate your time, though. Thanks very much, guys.
16:04Thank you. Appreciate it.
16:06He does look a bit down in the dumps, Joss.
16:07I don't know if you were saying because you were asking the questions to Ben Duckett.
16:11We touched on it.
16:11It's it's going to add more pressure on him.
16:13But what England have to do from now on in is pretty straightforward.
16:17Afghanistan, South Africa and then see.
16:19Yeah. And as Ben Duckett just said, there are lots of good things today.
16:23From what the performances I've seen where they've lost their last four bilaterals
16:26and since the last World Cup, their win percentage has dropped to 29 percent.
16:30They are way down from where they need to be.
16:33They have played poorly today.
16:34They played a lot of really good cricket, actually.
16:37And it will hurt because they played a lot of cricket
16:39and that have been feeling today at times.
16:41You know, Ben himself said it.
16:43You'll forget about India if we go on and win this tournament.
16:46And there were periods in today's play where you watch this England side
16:49and when maybe in these conditions with this batting lineup,
16:53maybe you know what they could do.
16:55And they got up to three, five, one.
16:57And you thought maybe they could do.
16:58But you're coming up against Australia.
17:01You're coming up. Afghanistan is a lot beaten last time.
17:03And you then got South Africa playing a lot of good cricket.
17:06He will be down. He is under pressure.
17:08He cannot afford. This is just Butler.
17:10He cannot afford another poor tournament.
17:14It's got to lift himself.
17:15He's got to lift his own game.
17:16He was part of that little drop off there towards the end.
17:18Him and Livingston, the two finishers, if they'd finish properly,
17:22England may well have got 370, 380.
17:24And that might have been a bridge too far for Australia.
17:27So it is a very difficult period for Josh Butler.
17:30That's the game that's been capped in.
17:32OK, what's the challenges for Australia going forward?
17:33Two more games.
17:34Obviously, South Africa, then Afghanistan,
17:36taking a big stride forward with these two points
17:38because it's so condensed nonetheless.
17:41You know, a little bit like England,
17:42even though you found yourself on the wrong side of,
17:46you know, the result today, I think it's just about
17:50really playing consistent cricket, you know, finding a consistent formula.
17:55So much one day cricket
17:57is played just from a strategic point of view.
18:00And England have found their mark today.
18:03350, you're winning nine out of ten matches, getting 350.
18:06For Australia, chasing down that will be obviously a huge confidence boost,
18:10but it'll only be as good as what it is that they can perform now
18:13in a consistent manner.
18:14So, you know, you've got Smith that's at three.
18:17I think that's, you know, something that he'll need to really,
18:20you know, find his tempo early in this tournament.
18:23It's good to see Manus Lavashane, for example, who's been really
18:27struggling for his form, get amongst some runs today,
18:30also with the ball and always contributes in the field.
18:33I think consistency in the field, right?
18:35Today, Australia were brilliant.
18:37You know, so to me, the defensive sides often win tournaments.
18:41When you think about the success Australia's had,
18:43it's always benchmarked itself in its fielding efforts.
18:46And so more of that to come.
18:48And then from a bowling point of view, I guess it's just really, again,
18:51Ellis leading the attack.
18:53You know, they might chop and change, you know, with Abbott missing out today.
18:57They might bring another right hand into play.
19:00So lots to sort of think about.
19:02Consistent cricket.
19:03Simplify it through the tournament and really just field your backsides out.
19:08Hey, Dos, appreciate your time.
19:09Thank you very much indeed.
19:10Nasser, we shall see you soon as well.
19:12So Australia take the points here in Lahore.