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00:00:003 years have passed since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began on February 24th.
00:00:07On February 4th, Ukraine's President Zelensky announced that
00:00:11after the Russian invasion, 45,100 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and 390,000 wounded.
00:00:21About 350,000 Russian soldiers were killed and 600,000 to 700,000 wounded.
00:00:30This year, 2025, is said to be the 100th year of Showa.
00:00:35Showa began in 1926 and ended in 1989.
00:00:41Heisei ended in 2019 and now is the 7th year of Reiwa.
00:00:47Assuming that Showa continues, this year will be the 100th year of Showa.
00:00:53I don't know if this calculation makes sense,
00:00:56but this year is also the 80th year since the end of the 1945 World War II.
00:01:05So, today's Can I Go That Far? ENOCHI is a special episode of
00:01:11Can I Go That Far? ENOCHI.
00:01:16From this season, Sasaki Roki, who has decided to move to the Dodgers,
00:01:20will be a teammate with Ohtani Shouhei and Yamamoto Yoshinobu.
00:01:25Speaking of the Dodgers,
00:01:27Hideo Nomo crossed the sea and challenged the Major League 30 years ago.
00:01:33Hiromichi Makihara, who was excited about pro baseball in the 90s,
00:01:38will talk about Hideo Nomo's thoughts on the Dodgers this year.
00:01:44A series of problems involving former talent Masahiro Nakai's female troubles.
00:01:49Fuji TV is still in the midst of a riot.
00:01:52What was the coup d'etat that Hisashi Hieda once set up?
00:01:5920 years after the Japanese Broadcasting Purchase Plan of Horiemon,
00:02:05what happened behind the scenes?
00:02:10And 30 years after the 1995 subway murder case
00:02:14committed by the cult group Aum Shinrikyo.
00:02:1925 years after Aleph, the successor of Aum,
00:02:22was arrested in 2000.
00:02:25What kind of activities are they doing now?
00:02:29Religious scholar Hiromichi Shimada will shine a light on the darkness.
00:02:34In addition, in 2010,
00:02:36the China Prefecture, which operated near Senkaku Island in Okinawa Prefecture,
00:02:40was caught in a ceasefire by the Secretary-General of the Seaside Security Agency.
00:02:4415 years have passed since the incident.
00:02:47Was it right for the Senkaku Island to be nationalized by the Democratic Party after that?
00:02:53This program is a hot topic on the Internet.
00:02:57If you look at YouTube, it's crazy.
00:03:01Kei Noguchi, an alpinist and environmental activist,
00:03:05who was noted for his unwavering statement the other day,
00:03:08is back on the committee.
00:03:10We will have a thorough discussion with the members of the committee.
00:03:15The story goes back to the Ukrainian woman at the beginning.
00:03:19Three years from tomorrow, Ukraine will be invaded by Russia.
00:03:23Before that, President Zelensky asked a reporter
00:03:26if he was ready to negotiate a ceasefire with the Russian President Putin.
00:03:32If that is the only way to bring peace to Ukraine, I will choose.
00:03:38He said.
00:03:41So I have a question for Yoshihiko Okabe.
00:03:44Do you think the war in Ukraine will continue?
00:03:49Yoshihiko Okabe.
00:03:51What do you mean by saying,
00:03:53I want to put an end to it by asking Trump?
00:03:57I think it looks like a ghost is moving because of the Ukrainian Trump's statement.
00:04:03In fact, for the past three days,
00:04:05Trump's Ukrainian special envoy, General Kerog,
00:04:08is actually in Kiev.
00:04:10He is in exchange for the U.S. government.
00:04:12General Kerog is a soldier,
00:04:14and what he is saying is that he is working in Trump's time.
00:04:19The day before, he was told to do this,
00:04:21and the next day he was told to get results.
00:04:23In fact, Japan is also quite influenced.
00:04:26February 7th is the day of the Northern Conquest for Japan.
00:04:29The day of the Northern Conquest will be held nationwide in Tokyo.
00:04:35Most of the prime ministers have not been elected,
00:04:38but Mr. Ishiba was elected.
00:04:40He was elected to meet Trump.
00:04:42The Hokkaido Newspaper said that the prime minister is a bloodthirsty person.
00:04:48In fact, Japanese politics are already moving in Trump's time,
00:04:52so I have no choice but to ask Trump.
00:04:55Trump and Putin are together,
00:05:00and they criticize Zelensky.
00:05:02But the thief is Putin.
00:05:04He takes people's land.
00:05:06Is it okay to attack and take people's land and kill people?
00:05:10Is it okay?
00:05:12I will continue to imitate Putin.
00:05:14No, I'm worried about the relationship between Putin and Trump.
00:05:19This time, I heard only what Putin said,
00:05:24and I have the impression that the opinion with Zelensky does not match.
00:05:29What do you think about that?
00:05:31If you think about it, it's not about Ukraine.
00:05:33Various things are starting to happen in the United States.
00:05:36The same level of things are happening.
00:05:38For Trump, it's not just listening to what Putin says,
00:05:41but what he thinks is the most important.
00:05:44I found that out from this series of statements.
00:05:47I think Trump is doing a good job.
00:05:52Mr. Tajima said that it's just a theory,
00:05:55but foreign countries don't understand the theory.
00:05:58In that sense, he's trying to be very realistic.
00:06:01I don't know yet because it's a foreign country,
00:06:03but in that sense, I think he's doing as expected.
00:06:07What I'm worried about is the landing point.
00:06:10As a Ukrainian, there is a need to restore the territory.
00:06:14Putin says he will never agree to that.
00:06:17It looks like water and oil,
00:06:20but if it's a landing point,
00:06:22will it be decided within the current power range?
00:06:28Or will it be possible to land in a part of the eastern part of Ukraine?
00:06:33Mr. Okabe, how do you feel about that?
00:06:37As a Ukrainian, I think there are all kinds of options.
00:06:43One is whether the Russian side will agree to it.
00:06:46The territory that Russia is occupying
00:06:48has been restored by the constitution,
00:06:50and they have changed it to their own territory.
00:06:52So they have to restore the constitution again.
00:06:54President Putin says he won't agree to that.
00:06:56Another condition is whether Ukraine is non-armed.
00:07:01I don't think they can reach an agreement on that.
00:07:04Mr. Okabe, can you predict how the decision will be made
00:07:10by the end of February?
00:07:14The Trump administration wants to set a deadline.
00:07:17During the election, it was 24 hours,
00:07:19and now it's 6 months.
00:07:21He wants to get results by April 20th.
00:07:24That's what he thinks.
00:07:26But I don't think the decision will be made.
00:07:29I think it's because the Russian side
00:07:31is not ready for that.
00:07:33What do you mean?
00:07:34Trump proposed the U.S.-Russia summit,
00:07:36and President Putin is happy about it.
00:07:38In a word, he's ready to meet the media.
00:07:40But he doesn't want to have a meeting
00:07:42where they drink tea or coffee
00:07:44and talk about the future.
00:07:46He says he won't meet the media
00:07:48until the final decision is made.
00:07:50It takes a lot of time to prepare for that.
00:07:53That's what the U.S. Secretary of State
00:07:56said at the end of last year.
00:07:58And he was right.
00:08:00We have a big gap.
00:08:02We can't move forward in that space.
00:08:04I think the war will continue.
00:08:08What do the Ukrainians think
00:08:10about the Russian-U.S. negotiations?
00:08:15Before the Trump administration was formed,
00:08:18at the end of last year,
00:08:20Trump's voice was expected to be
00:08:2240 to 50 percent higher than
00:08:24the U.S.-Russia summit.
00:08:26But recently,
00:08:28Zelensky only gave 4 percent of the support,
00:08:31and Zelensky said no to that.
00:08:33In that exchange,
00:08:35Zelensky's support rate went up
00:08:37to 57 percent.
00:08:39Trump's voice is disappointed.
00:08:41What Trump is thinking is
00:08:43to end the negotiations as soon as possible.
00:08:45The U.S. would probably
00:08:47put more energy into
00:08:49facing China.
00:08:51In other words, he wants to promote China.
00:08:53If he forgives Russia's actions,
00:08:55it will lead to China's
00:08:57support for Taiwan.
00:08:59But China's attitude
00:09:01has softened a lot.
00:09:03They went to Europe
00:09:05for a meeting
00:09:07and said they would
00:09:09do it in a multilateral way.
00:09:11But now they are leaning towards Europe.
00:09:13No one would believe that.
00:09:24Once again,
00:09:26we are going to talk about
00:09:28what is going to happen
00:09:30in 2020.
00:09:32Thank you all for coming.
00:09:34Thank you very much.
00:09:39We've been talking a lot,
00:09:41but this is the opening talk.
00:09:43That's right.
00:09:45Let me introduce you again.
00:09:47This is Mr. Ken Nobuchi,
00:09:49who will be here for the second time.
00:09:51Nice to meet you.
00:09:54This is the second time, right?
00:09:56Yes, it is.
00:09:58This is a tough show.
00:10:00It was tough last time,
00:10:02but this time,
00:10:04we have a new character.
00:10:06Why are you looking at me?
00:10:08I'm looking forward to today's debate.
00:10:10Thank you for coming.
00:10:12I don't care,
00:10:14but this is the first time
00:10:16Mr. Takenaka is wearing glasses.
00:10:18I don't care?
00:10:20You look like a nice person.
00:10:24What do you look like usually?
00:10:26I'm usually half-hearted.
00:10:28That's the worst.
00:10:32Here is the theme
00:10:34we have prepared for you.
00:10:36Please choose one.
00:10:40The baseball season
00:10:42is about to start.
00:10:44Let's go with this one.
00:10:46It's the challenge
00:10:48of the year.
00:10:54On April 10th, 2022,
00:10:56in the match between
00:10:58Chibarate Marines
00:11:00and Oryx Buffaloes,
00:11:02Sasaki Rokitoshu
00:11:04won the match.
00:11:06This is the first time
00:11:08in 28 years
00:11:10since the 1994
00:11:12match between
00:11:14Makihara Hiromi
00:11:16and Sasaki Rokitoshu.
00:11:18At the same time,
00:11:20Sasaki Rokitoshu
00:11:22broke the Guinness World Record
00:11:24for 13 consecutive wins.
00:11:26Sasaki Rokitoshu
00:11:28was aiming to
00:11:30move to the Major League
00:11:32from Lotte.
00:11:34However,
00:11:36Sasaki Rokitoshu
00:11:38moved to the Dodgers
00:11:40this season
00:11:42and became a teammate
00:11:44of Sasaki Rokitoshu.
00:11:46Sasaki Rokitoshu's win
00:11:48gave Sasaki Rokitoshu
00:11:50a big boost
00:11:52for the Dodgers.
00:11:54Speaking of the Dodgers
00:11:56and Japanese players...
00:11:58It's been 30 years
00:12:00since the challenge of
00:12:02Nomo Hideo.
00:12:04Nomo Hideo
00:12:06was nominated
00:12:08as the best pitcher
00:12:10in 1989
00:12:12As a result of the nomination,
00:12:14the Golden Iron Buffaloes
00:12:16won the right to negotiate.
00:12:18The director was Akiya Ogi.
00:12:20The contract was
00:12:22estimated to be
00:12:24over 100 million yen,
00:12:26which was the first time in history.
00:12:28When the contract was signed,
00:12:30the condition was
00:12:32not to change the form.
00:12:34In April 1990,
00:12:36he made his debut in the Seibu Lions.
00:12:38After that,
00:12:40he had won the defending title
00:12:42of the San'ei Prefecture,
00:12:43three Saitadatsu,
00:12:44the highest winning pitch and
00:12:45four of the victors of this week.
00:12:47He also won
00:12:49the MVP
00:12:51of the best nine
00:12:53and 8 pitch in the rookie period.
00:12:55And
00:12:5730 years ago
00:12:59in 1995,
00:13:01Japanese samurais
00:13:03crossed the sea.
00:13:05On February 13th,
00:13:07he signed a minor contract
00:13:09The first major leaguer in Asia, Masanori Murakami, has been a major leaguer in Japan for the first time in 30 years.
00:13:20The major league in that year was delayed for over three weeks due to the strike of the national team.
00:13:27He surprised the American baseball fans who were fed up with the Russian warfare that had been going on since the previous year.
00:13:34This is the high-class form of samurai from Japan.
00:13:38Tornado Toho
00:13:40This year, he won 13 wins and 6 losses.
00:13:42His defense rate is 2.54.
00:13:44He took the 236th win in the league and shined as a new player.
00:13:50At that time, a passionate fan named Nomomanya came to Dojo Stadium.
00:13:56Mr. Nomohide is still praised as a savior who stopped the American baseball fans.
00:14:03He won the Major League 123 and the National League 201.
00:14:09He became a pioneer of the Japanese Major League, which was born in the 2000s by Ichiro and Matsui Hideki and Daisuke Matsuzaka.
00:14:1830 years after the first appearance of Mr. Nomohide.
00:14:23Shouhei Otani, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, and Roki Sasaki are the strongest Japanese players.
00:14:29The Dojo Stadium is filled with the passionate gaze of baseball fans all over the world.
00:14:35This time, he achieved a perfect game in front of Roki Sasaki in 1994.
00:14:47On the other hand, in 1985...
00:14:53In the Koshien, Kakefu Okada of Hanshin hit a home run to the back screen three times in a row and became a legend.
00:15:02Former Giants player Hiromichi Makihara appeared again.
00:15:07We will hear a lot about Nomohide's feelings for this year's Dodgers and his passion for baseball in the 90s.
00:15:19I have a question for everyone.
00:15:22What do you want to ask Mr. Hiromi Makihara?
00:15:28I have a question for everyone.
00:15:33We have received various opinions from everyone.
00:15:37Yes, and we will introduce the guest.
00:15:40Mr. Hiromi Makihara, a baseball commentator who has had three back screen hits in the Koshien and is celebrating his 40th anniversary this year.
00:15:48Thank you very much.
00:15:51I'm sorry for the three back screen hits.
00:15:55But I feel like spring has come again.
00:15:59But there aren't many people who remember the play after retirement.
00:16:05But that video comes out well.
00:16:08Even in my grandchildhood, I was doing it.
00:16:12You were told by Mr. Makihara.
00:16:14Especially when I come to Kansai.
00:16:16That's right. It's a story about Koshien.
00:16:19But I was holding back at Koshien.
00:16:22That's all the summer comes out.
00:16:24That's good.
00:16:26It's a story that I was holding back.
00:16:29If you put it in the interpretation.
00:16:34I have a lot of questions for Mr. Makihara.
00:16:38Mr. Maruta, I'm curious about the story of Major League Baseball.
00:16:42I think it's a theme for the future.
00:16:45Young people who have a promising future.
00:16:48To make their dreams come true.
00:16:50It's a very noble thing to go down the path of your own hope.
00:16:54I'd like to respect that.
00:16:56On the other hand, I understand the desire of the professional baseball world.
00:17:00I think Japanese professional baseball has to get excited.
00:17:04I felt that professional baseball was a little mean when I was in Nomo.
00:17:11At the beginning of Sasaki.
00:17:13It's not a secret.
00:17:16There's something to be said.
00:17:18It's okay for promising players to go abroad.
00:17:21I wonder if there's a choice to increase the number of remaining players.
00:17:25From a player's point of view.
00:17:28Especially in 1994, I had the right to play in the FA.
00:17:31I had the right to go if I wanted to go.
00:17:34At that time, the salary was about three times.
00:17:38Now it's ten or twenty times.
00:17:41Everyone goes.
00:17:43It's money.
00:17:45Players only have a limited amount of time.
00:17:49You have the right to choose where to play.
00:17:52If you choose, you have to aim for ten times more.
00:17:56There's something about professional baseball that makes me think it's good.
00:18:01The women's world is also exciting.
00:18:04Was it last year?
00:18:06Toshio Yamamoto won the Tegasaki Ogui Tournament.
00:18:11That's not the case at all.
00:18:13It's a scene that doesn't get much attention in professional baseball.
00:18:16It's not a baseball fan, but it's an industry that attracts attention.
00:18:20I thought it was very good.
00:18:22But I thought it would cost a lot of money.
00:18:25I thought it was very difficult.
00:18:27There used to be a woman's world.
00:18:30Sometimes on Friday and Hocus, I was wondering who the wife was.
00:18:34Did you do that?
00:18:36I was doing it, but there was a time like that.
00:18:38Do you think the environment is better between Japan and the major leagues?
00:18:42No, it's completely different.
00:18:44What's the difference?
00:18:46There are a lot of customers.
00:18:49Of course, even if you're in the stadium,
00:18:51The players are protected by high-priced salaries and insurance.
00:18:57I think the biggest difference is the pension after retirement.
00:19:01The pension is $200,000, so it's $30,000.
00:19:06Is it a year?
00:19:08You'll get it until you die, right?
00:19:10If you do it for 10 years, it's $200,000.
00:19:13You don't get that much in a year?
00:19:14I don't get that much in a year.
00:19:16But Mr. Makiwara's face is full of regret.
00:19:22But Mr. Tajima wants to ask.
00:19:24So why isn't Mr. Makiwara here?
00:19:28As I said earlier, it was only twice as much.
00:19:31We had a good pension at the time.
00:19:34Even in professional baseball.
00:19:36You don't have it now?
00:19:37It collapsed around 2010.
00:19:41You don't have a pension?
00:19:42I don't have a pension.
00:19:44It's completely different from the United States.
00:19:49I know what it's like to go over there.
00:19:52It's in the core of the Japanese baseball league.
00:19:55First of all, we need to do something about the pension.
00:19:59The charm of the pension is...
00:20:02It may not be directly related to the pension.
00:20:07But there's a difference.
00:20:09The attitude is completely different.
00:20:11I have a question.
00:20:13How many wins did I win in the Major League with Mr. Makiwara?
00:20:17I'd like to ask you something essential.
00:20:20I'm sure you've all forgotten.
00:20:23Mr. Makiwara has a new record of 147 km in high school baseball.
00:20:31Mr. Makiwara also set a new record of 155 km in professional baseball at the time.
00:20:37On top of that, he's playing a perfect game.
00:20:39He's amazing.
00:20:40I'm sure you've all forgotten that.
00:20:43I'm sure you've all forgotten that.
00:20:46In Japan, you could only win 159 wins.
00:20:50But when you went to the Major League and set a new record, of course you won 250 wins.
00:20:57What do you think?
00:20:58I can't answer that question.
00:21:00Wait a minute.
00:21:01You answer it first.
00:21:03I think it's exactly what Mr. Tajima said.
00:21:06But I wanted to go there.
00:21:09But it wasn't an environment where I could meet the requirements.
00:21:15Mr. Makiwara, let's be honest.
00:21:17You couldn't go because you were in the Giants, right?
00:21:20If it wasn't for the Giants, Mr. Makiwara would have gone.
00:21:25You couldn't go because you were in the Giants, right?
00:21:28Mr. Takenaka just said that.
00:21:30Mr. Nagashima came to persuade him.
00:21:32That's right.
00:21:33Mr. Nagashima brought me a rose when I was in the F.A.
00:21:38He told me to stay.
00:21:40So I stayed.
00:21:41After that, I played in the Giants for 20 years.
00:21:45If I had gone to the Major League, I would have really wanted to play.
00:21:50But...
00:21:51You're full of regrets.
00:21:54Completely full of regrets.
00:21:56I had an interview with him the other day.
00:21:59He told me that I shouldn't talk about the Major League.
00:22:08There are 25-year-old rules and a posting system.
00:22:13The 25-year-old rules are made by the Major League.
00:22:16I think it's a system that has changed a little bit.
00:22:20Could you explain what the rules are?
00:22:22If you're under 25 years old, you can't sign a major contract.
00:22:27I see.
00:22:28That's right.
00:22:29I'm talking about a minor contract.
00:22:31If he plays in the Open, he can play as a Major contract.
00:22:36So his salary won't go up.
00:22:38He's only 21 or 22 years old, right?
00:22:40When I was about the same age as him, Ohtani-kun went to the Major League.
00:22:44His salary was very low.
00:22:46It's only possible for minors.
00:22:47But if you're over 25 years old, your salary goes up.
00:22:50But there's a case where Ohtani-kun did a good job.
00:22:55This time, Sasaki-kun couldn't stand it and went to the Major League.
00:22:59I don't think it's a good thing.
00:23:04Mr. Takeda, how much can Sasaki-san do?
00:23:08I don't know how often he can do it.
00:23:13I think he can do it in one game.
00:23:16What do you think?
00:23:17There's definitely a time limit.
00:23:20If it's 60 games, you have to go up to 5 times to win.
00:23:24If you win, people in Japan will say,
00:23:27Sasaki did a good job this year.
00:23:30In that sense, I think it will end in a disappointing result.
00:23:33I think he'll be able to play in March.
00:23:36Next week or so, in Japan.
00:23:38Tokyo Series.
00:23:39There's a possibility that he'll play in the Tokyo Series.
00:23:42I don't know if he can win there.
00:23:44If the number of balls is determined to a certain extent,
00:23:47I don't know if he can win.
00:23:49I don't know what's best for Sasaki-san.
00:23:52Is it really good for him to grow up slowly and carefully in the minor league
00:23:55and play in the Major League a few years later?
00:23:58No, but he's probably experienced enough in Japan.
00:24:03Rather than playing in the minor league,
00:24:05he needs to build his body well
00:24:07and play in the Major League once every 10 days or once every 2 weeks.
00:24:11Nobuzawa has a lot of balls.
00:24:13If you look at it, everyone wants to play from the beginning.
00:24:16The players you're looking forward to this year,
00:24:18not just the players in the Major League,
00:24:20but also players like Imanaga and Aoyagi.
00:24:24They're all going.
00:24:25I'm curious about Sasaki-san's future.
00:24:30I think the younger generation than Sasaki-san
00:24:35wants to go to the Major League.
00:24:38Takahashi Hiroto in the Junior League is amazing.
00:24:41I definitely want to go to the Major League.
00:24:43If he goes to the Major League, he'll be an ace, right?
00:24:45I interviewed him the other day.
00:24:48He said the Major League is definitely no good.
00:24:53He said the Major League is no good.
00:24:55I said, of course it's no good.
00:24:57He said, of course it's no good.
00:24:59But there's no way he wouldn't be aware of it.
00:25:04Let me ask you one thing.
00:25:06I also want to ask Makihara-san today.
00:25:08Actually, I was in the 6th grade in elementary school
00:25:10when the back screen was three consecutive times.
00:25:12I was watching it live.
00:25:14And every year...
00:25:16This time, the VTR came out.
00:25:18Do you feel grateful to the three of them?
00:25:23Or are you still annoyed?
00:25:25Or after that, do you have a drink together?
00:25:34I don't have a drink.
00:25:36But when I meet the people at the time,
00:25:38that's what I'm talking about.
00:25:40I was young at the time.
00:25:42I was able to feel that professionals aren't easy.
00:25:45I'm grateful.
00:25:47But I thought it was no good here.
00:25:49So, after all,
00:25:51It's better to be hit than to hold it down with a pitcher.
00:25:55It reflects and listens to people.
00:25:57So, even if Sasaki doesn't do well this year,
00:26:01I want you to watch him so that he can be stronger.
00:26:09Today, I'm going to tell you a lot of behind-the-scenes stories.
00:26:16Thank you very much.
00:26:18Thank you very much.
00:26:20Next,
00:26:22There's a lot going on.
00:26:24It's been 20 years.
00:26:26Let's go here.
00:26:28It's been 20 years since then.
00:26:30It's the Fuji TV buying crisis.
00:26:37April 1, 2022
00:26:40For about 140 years since the Meiji era,
00:26:43The age of youth, which was set at 20 years in Japan,
00:26:46has been reduced to 18 years.
00:26:49There's a saying in this world,
00:26:51There's a saying in this world,
00:26:53The former president of a 32-year-old venture company
00:26:57The former president of a 32-year-old venture company
00:27:01Currently,
00:27:02The current problem of female trouble in Mr. Masahiro Nakai
00:27:05The current problem of female trouble in Mr. Masahiro Nakai
00:27:08It was shaking a lot 20 years ago.
00:27:1220 years since the Fuji TV buying crisis
00:27:15Mr. Hisashi Hieda, who is currently the representative of the Fuji 3K Group,
00:27:20Mr. Hisashi Hieda, who is currently the representative of the Fuji 3K Group,
00:27:23The American investment fund, Dalton Investments,
00:27:26The American investment fund, Dalton Investments,
00:27:30Why is it that one dictator has been allowed to rule a huge broadcasting group for nearly 40 years?
00:27:37I know I sent a letter to ask for Mr. Hieda's resignation,
00:27:42I know I sent a letter to ask for Mr. Hieda's resignation,
00:27:47It was said that it was a coup d'etat between the Shikanai family and Mr. Hisashi Hieda.
00:27:55The Japan Broadcasting Institute, which was founded in 1954,
00:27:59The Japan Broadcasting Institute, which was founded in 1954,
00:28:04It was a three-dimensional media.
00:28:06Here, Mr. Nobutaka Shikanai was the one who seized the management rights
00:28:10based on the share ratio.
00:28:12After that, in 1959, when Fuji Television began broadcasting,
00:28:17Mr. Shikanai operated the Takumi's Mochikabu here as well,
00:28:21and Nippon Housou became the owner of Fuji Television's Hittokabu.
00:28:25Furthermore, by selling it to a three-dimensional newspaper company
00:28:28and putting it in a series,
00:28:30Mr. Nobutaka Shikanai took over the three-dimensional media of the newspaper,
00:28:36television, and radio.
00:28:38Mr. Nobutaka Shikanai retired in 1985,
00:28:42and the group was led by his eldest son, Mr. Haruo Shikanai.
00:28:46In 1981, when Mr. Haruo was the vice president,
00:28:50he changed the image of the station,
00:28:52which had the slogan,
00:28:55and the catchphrase,
00:29:05However, in 1988, Mr. Haruo passed away,
00:29:10and two years later, his father, Mr. Nobutaka Shikanai, also passed away.
00:29:14The Shikanai family is the son and daughter of Mr. Nobutaka Shikanai,
00:29:17and Mr. Hiroaki Shikanai, a former banker, is the successor.
00:29:21The executives of Fuji Television strongly opposed Mr. Hiroaki's aggressive management policy.
00:29:27And then, on July 21, 1992,
00:29:32the Shikanai family, which had continued to rule the Fuji Three-Dimensional Group,
00:29:36was hit by the coup d'etat.
00:29:39At the order-taking meeting on that day,
00:29:42Mr. Hiroaki Shikanai was recognized as the first in the country.
00:29:48It is said that it was Mr. Hisashi Hieda who led the coup d'etat,
00:29:53and Mr. Hieda, who succeeded in driving out the Shikanai family,
00:29:56will finally be the top of the group.
00:30:00However, someone who was trying to save Mr. Hisashi Hieda suddenly appeared.
00:30:07On February 8, 2005,
00:30:09the president of a live door venture company related to the Internet,
00:30:13Mr. Takafumi Horie, a 42-year-old, held a press conference.
00:30:17Today, I would like to tell you that
00:30:22both Live Door and Live Door Partners
00:30:27have purchased 35% of Japan Broadcasting's shares
00:30:34in the market, resulting in 35%.
00:30:41As a long-term owner of 35% of Japan Broadcasting's shares,
00:30:46Mr. Horie and the Fuji Three-Dimensional Group,
00:30:49which is the majority shareholder of Fuji Television,
00:30:52have partnered with both capital and business
00:30:55to aim for a business that merges the Internet and TV and radio.
00:31:01In the background of this acquisition of shares,
00:31:04Japan Broadcasting, which has a small company size and a small share price,
00:31:08has a situation where the parent-child reversal can affect the management of Fuji Television.
00:31:13In order to resolve this instability,
00:31:17Fuji Television purchased TOB Co., Ltd. to make Japan Broadcasting,
00:31:20a parent company, a small company.
00:31:24Mr. Hieda, who was tired of Live Door,
00:31:29said,
00:31:32Mr. Hieda, who was tired of Live Door,
00:31:37said,
00:31:40Fuji Television and Live Door Partners,
00:31:43which have Japan Broadcasting's shares,
00:31:46have partnered with SBI SoftBank Investment,
00:31:49which is led by Yoshitaka Kitao,
00:31:52to lend Fuji Television's shares to SBI.
00:31:55With this, even if Live Door acquires Japan Broadcasting's shares,
00:31:59Fuji Television will no longer be able to influence Japan Broadcasting.
00:32:03After about 70 days,
00:32:06the conflict has been resolved in the form of young people.
00:32:11So I have a question for everyone.
00:32:13Do you think Fuji Television should have been reborn 20 years ago?
00:32:22I have a question for everyone.
00:32:24Do you think Fuji Television should have been reborn 20 years ago?
00:32:28Yes.
00:32:29It seems that the story has already come out,
00:32:32rather than the story that it has not been reborn.
00:32:35After all, it is a story that drinking parties are dangerous.
00:32:41I didn't think so,
00:32:44but in short,
00:32:46Mr. Horie became a dictator in place of Mr. Hieda of Fuji Television,
00:32:51and said how much he did.
00:32:54I have a question about how much Fuji Television was able to keep its spirit
00:32:59because it probably did the same as Mr. Hieda.
00:33:02I have a question about how much Fuji Television was able to keep its spirit
00:33:07because it probably did the same as Mr. Hieda.
00:33:10This is the most important problem.
00:33:13Originally, the stock company was owned by the stockholders and employees,
00:33:18so it was necessary to function properly
00:33:21and eliminate the dictator.
00:33:24However, it was not possible at all.
00:33:27Because it was a media company,
00:33:30it was necessary to operate properly,
00:33:33and not to put only Yes Man around it,
00:33:36but to put a capable person around it.
00:33:39If it had been possible,
00:33:41Fuji Television would not have become like this.
00:33:44Now, Fuji Television is doing its best to revive,
00:33:47but I don't think it would have been good if Mr. Horie had been the dictator.
00:33:53But I think he was about 35 years old.
00:33:5832 years old.
00:33:5932 years old.
00:34:00There was a big age difference from Mr. Hieda.
00:34:03There was a big age difference from Mr. Hieda.
00:34:06I don't know much about his ideas,
00:34:11but if Mr. Horie had been the dictator,
00:34:14I don't know what Mr. Horie would have thought at that time,
00:34:17but if at least young people had worked together,
00:34:20I don't think there would have been as much discrimination as Mr. Hieda.
00:34:23If I had been Mr. Horie,
00:34:25I don't think there would have been as much discrimination as Mr. Hieda.
00:34:36I think so, too.
00:34:38I think so, too, but I'm not convinced about the discrimination of women.
00:34:42Basically, that's right.
00:34:44If Fuji Television had been the leader in the future,
00:34:47if it had been the leader in the future,
00:34:49and if it had been the leader in the future,
00:34:52and if it had been the leader in the future,
00:34:55I think it would have been a terrible company that dominated the media.
00:34:59I think it would have been a terrible company that dominated the media.
00:35:02I heard about the fusion of communication and broadcasting.
00:35:05When I was the Prime Minister of Japan,
00:35:08I talked to all the top officials in the Kii Bureau one-on-one.
00:35:12At that time, Mr. Hieda was the only one who was serious about communication and broadcasting.
00:35:18The reason is that the other top officials are all journalists.
00:35:23The reason is that the other top officials are all journalists.
00:35:26At that time, the fusion of communication and broadcasting was an important issue.
00:35:30At that time, the fusion of communication and broadcasting was an important issue.
00:35:33If you think about governance,
00:35:36Japan's system is a terrible system.
00:35:39For example, in the scope of broadcasting,
00:35:42a certain number of people cannot have more than one-third of the TV station.
00:35:45So if the management gets worse,
00:35:47they usually have more than 50% of the shares,
00:35:51but they can't rebuild the TV station.
00:35:55Fuji Television is very special,
00:35:59but in other places, one-fourth or one-fifth of the shares are held by journalists.
00:36:04And in the case of journalists,
00:36:07the governance is limited to the shares themselves.
00:36:13I think that the fusion of governance is connected to this issue,
00:36:17including female discrimination.
00:36:21I think we should take this issue as an opportunity.
00:36:26I talked to the TV station and the press,
00:36:29so please cut me off.
00:36:32Mr. Takenaka, please.
00:36:34It's very difficult if I don't choose the words.
00:36:37Of course, after the incident,
00:36:40they continued to be friendly.
00:36:42It's because there wasn't enough support for women.
00:36:45I'm not saying there's no fire on the Fuji TV side,
00:36:48but the biggest problem right now is whether it should have changed.
00:36:52It's become a hot topic whether or not there was a so-called
00:36:56female-dominated system in the company.
00:36:59But it's not yet clear what's wrong with that.
00:37:03What's wrong with this decision?
00:37:06And who should change?
00:37:08How can we change?
00:37:10And is it the right way to change?
00:37:12I don't know any of that yet.
00:37:14Isn't the female-dominated system bad?
00:37:16No, it's not.
00:37:18I don't know,
00:37:20but it's true that there was a woman and Mr. Nakai
00:37:23at the dinner party planned by the TV station.
00:37:26Was there anyone else?
00:37:28But after that, on the day of the incident,
00:37:30Nakai himself contacted the company.
00:37:33He didn't hire the company.
00:37:36I don't know what's going to happen,
00:37:39but if we don't take all the risks,
00:37:42we'll have to ban all the dinner parties.
00:37:46No way.
00:37:48We don't know until the results come out at the end of March.
00:37:51We don't know.
00:37:53But it's bad.
00:37:55We don't know what responsibility we're taking,
00:37:57but we have to stop it.
00:37:59As I said earlier,
00:38:01it's very difficult to know what's right.
00:38:04I think it's easy to turn a dinner party into a black box.
00:38:08But there's a slight possibility of turning it into a black box,
00:38:11so let's stop it all.
00:38:13I don't know if it's okay for a white society to do that.
00:38:16Rather than saying that we're not doing it,
00:38:19as soon as that story comes out,
00:38:22people will say that a dinner party is dangerous.
00:38:26It's not just a matter of Fuji TV.
00:38:29It's not going to be like that.
00:38:31I don't think any company will be in danger.
00:38:35Speaking of various companies,
00:38:37it's not the company's job.
00:38:39It's the company's job.
00:38:41For dinner parties attended by officials,
00:38:44they try to keep female employees as close as possible.
00:38:47That's what most companies do.
00:38:49For dinner parties,
00:38:51they don't let female employees participate.
00:38:53That's what most companies do.
00:38:56In short, when a woman and a man have a drink together,
00:38:59they say, let's stop it.
00:39:01But from a woman's point of view,
00:39:03if she's told not to attend a dinner party,
00:39:05there are women who want to go.
00:39:07That's right.
00:39:09Mr. Maruta is drinking until the morning.
00:39:13The police didn't operate on him.
00:39:16If he had entered the room at that time,
00:39:19the incident wouldn't have happened.
00:39:21It wouldn't have happened.
00:39:26This time, for example,
00:39:28what went wrong,
00:39:30what happened between the men and the women,
00:39:32there was a debate like a wild horse.
00:39:34This is something that must be eliminated.
00:39:37Whether or not he was forced to drink
00:39:40Whether or not the compliance functioned properly
00:39:43Whether or not the social worker was watching properly
00:39:46We have to make a decision based on that.
00:39:49I don't think anything will improve
00:39:52if we are marginalized by what happened at the scene.
00:39:55Mr. Takenaka,
00:39:57how can we stop these people
00:40:00who continue to hold the human rights of these victims
00:40:03in the middle of the process?
00:40:08How do you see this?
00:40:10First of all,
00:40:12we have to separate the organization and the management.
00:40:15For example, the BBC
00:40:17has been hiring employees who have caused problems
00:40:20to the management,
00:40:22but the organization
00:40:24interviews them
00:40:26because they think it's strange.
00:40:28In Japan, for example,
00:40:30the chief executive and the president
00:40:32are in the same place.
00:40:34We have to separate the management
00:40:36and the management.
00:40:38I think it's the same thing.
00:40:40For example,
00:40:42is it an ideal TV station?
00:40:44The BBC is doing it.
00:40:46No, not in Japan.
00:40:48I don't think it's in Japan at all.
00:40:50That's crazy.
00:40:52I think Mr. Takenaka's opinion is right.
00:40:55It may be a little different,
00:40:57but Mr. Horie
00:40:59has had a great influence in the past 20 years.
00:41:02I thought I'd read Mr. Horie's book
00:41:05when I was a student
00:41:07who was working part-time.
00:41:09I read one book a month.
00:41:11I often chose his self-proclaimed books.
00:41:14I wrote the same thing every time.
00:41:16I wrote,
00:41:18the content is the same,
00:41:20but it makes me feel better.
00:41:22The other day,
00:41:24I saw a book
00:41:26where Mr. Horie and Mr. Takenaka
00:41:28were just chatting.
00:41:30I was surprised.
00:41:32Mr. Horie and Mr. Takenaka
00:41:34were just chatting
00:41:36on that page.
00:41:38That's crazy.
00:41:40It's true.
00:41:42Did you really chat?
00:41:44Mr. Takenaka,
00:41:46did you really do it?
00:41:48I chatted,
00:41:50but I couldn't read only one page.
00:41:52There are pages like that.
00:41:54You sold it well.
00:41:58Let's move on to the next topic.
00:42:00It's been 30 years.
00:42:02It's been 30 years
00:42:04since the incident
00:42:06with the subway.
00:42:12Prime Minister Abe
00:42:14was shot and killed
00:42:16in front of Nara City's
00:42:18Kintetsu Yamato Saidaiji Station
00:42:20during a street protest.
00:42:22His mother, Tetsuya Yamagami,
00:42:24who was arrested,
00:42:26donated over 100 million yen
00:42:28to the Japanese government.
00:42:30Mr. Horie and Mr. Takenaka
00:42:32were just chatting
00:42:34on that page.
00:42:36It's been 30 years
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00:47:36Thank you very much.
00:47:38Now, let's ask
00:47:40Mr. Shimada
00:47:42a question.
00:47:44Mr. Lam, what do you think
00:47:46are the common features
00:47:48of a president?
00:47:50I think
00:47:52the common features
00:47:54of a president
00:47:56have been created.
00:47:58But the common feature
00:48:00of a real president
00:48:02is that he speaks
00:48:04in a very straightforward way.
00:48:06He speaks in a very straightforward way.
00:48:08He doesn't get confused.
00:48:10He makes himself
00:48:12a right person.
00:48:14He made himself
00:48:16a right person.
00:48:18He made himself
00:48:20a right person.
00:48:22He made himself
00:48:24a right person.
00:48:26Mr. Tajima, what are
00:48:28the common features
00:48:30of a president?
00:48:32Mr. Tajima, what are
00:48:34the common features
00:48:36of a president?
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00:51:22He started his career
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00:51:26He started his career
00:51:28as a writer.
00:51:30He started his career
00:51:32as a writer.
00:51:34He started his career
00:51:36as a writer.
00:51:38He started his career
00:51:40as a writer.
00:51:42He started his career
00:51:44as a writer.
00:51:46He started his career
00:51:48as a writer.
00:51:50He started his career
00:51:52as a writer.
00:51:54He started his career
00:51:56as a writer.
00:51:58He started his career
00:52:00as a writer.
00:52:02He started his career
00:52:04as a writer.
00:52:06He started his career
00:52:08as a writer.
00:52:10He started his career
00:52:12as a writer.
00:52:14He started his career
00:52:16as a writer.
00:52:18Religious organizations
00:52:20may look scary from the outside,
00:52:22may look scary from the outside,
00:52:24but the people inside are very kind.
00:52:26If you treat them kindly,
00:52:28they will be attracted to you
00:52:30and you will want to go there again.
00:52:32they will be attracted to you
00:52:34and you will want to go there again.
00:52:36In the case of AUM,
00:52:38it is a great thing
00:52:40to create a system of training.
00:52:42to create a system of training.
00:52:44to create a system of training.
00:52:46Did he also
00:52:48get into it himself?
00:52:50Did he also get into it himself?
00:52:52He thought that killing people
00:52:54was true justice.
00:52:56He thought that killing people
00:52:58was true justice.
00:53:00What do you think?
00:53:02At first,
00:53:04it was about training by himself.
00:53:06It was about training by himself.
00:53:08In his case,
00:53:10his eyes were blind.
00:53:12In his case,
00:53:14You're in control of yourself, right?
00:53:16Yes, I am.
00:53:17Is there a religion that says that people who do evil deeds should be killed now?
00:53:22The first reason for the incident is that the person who was practicing in the church committed suicide.
00:53:29It starts with the fact that it was concealed.
00:53:32When a believer who knows that it was concealed quits, he commits murder for the first time.
00:53:39After the person commits murder, he is able to solve the problem.
00:53:43It's a matter of self-destruction.
00:53:52Humans have conscience and common sense.
00:53:56There are always thousands of people who want to kill people.
00:54:00Nevertheless, what is the point of overcoming fear, concealment, conscience, and common sense?
00:54:16It gradually went in that direction.
00:54:20Now there is self-destruction, and people are killed for the first time.
00:54:23After that, the Sakamoto Incident occurs.
00:54:25Some of the members of the church did it.
00:54:31They were doing it in a place where other believers didn't know.
00:54:38I think it's a big deal that a special group was formed.
00:54:42More and more foreign immigrants will probably increase.
00:54:45Of course, they have a religion.
00:54:47It's not something that can be denied.
00:54:49I personally think that this will lead to the decline of Japanese culture.
00:54:56At that time, there were a lot of believers in Russia.
00:54:59There were about 30,000 people.
00:55:01I was surprised last year.
00:55:03The Russian Ministry of Justice designated terrorist groups and cult groups.
00:55:09It was the first time in 2024 that a Russian religious group was designated.
00:55:15In fact, in 2018, there were about 2,500 new believers in the Russian Federation Security Bureau.
00:55:36Considering that, the total number of Omsk is about 1,600.
00:55:41I wonder if there is a possibility that a group like Kamikuri Shikimura can form a Russian version of the Omsk Second Empire.
00:55:50I wonder if there is a possibility that a group like Kamikuri Shikimura can form a Russian version of the Omsk Second Empire.
00:55:55Originally, Russia had a very strong interest in mysticism.
00:56:01After the collapse of the Soviet Union, not only Omsk, but other groups like that entered Russia.
00:56:09In the end, Russia changed the law to prevent such groups from entering.
00:56:16Russia legally determined the position of the Russian religion.
00:56:23I think there is still such a danger in Russia.
00:56:27Listening to the story so far, I think religion is likely to be the cause of confrontation.
00:56:33The war has been going on for a long time because of religion.
00:56:38In the case of foreign people who have a strong faith in Japan,
00:56:47there may be people who think that religion is the cause of conflict.
00:56:52I think that Japan is more of a culture than a religion.
00:56:56I don't feel like I'm trying to force my culture on my opponent.
00:57:01It's a culture, but it's a milder feeling than a religion.
00:57:05I think it's more likely to be invaded.
00:57:08I remember the sense of crisis.
00:57:10But more and more foreign immigrants will probably increase.
00:57:13Of course, they have a religion.
00:57:15It's not something I can deny.
00:57:17I personally think that this will lead to the decline of Japanese culture.
00:57:21Do you think coexistence is possible?
00:57:23In the case of Japan, religion doesn't come out strongly.
00:57:27Religion and Buddhism are the basics.
00:57:30People who have a very strong faith in religion or Buddhism...
00:57:36There used to be such a tradition in the Soka Gakkai.
00:57:39Now that's gone.
00:57:41Even if people who believe in such a religion come from outside,
00:57:45they won't clash.
00:57:47I agree.
00:57:48For example, when foreigners enter a community or school,
00:57:54they say, let me do it in this culture.
00:57:57I think it's natural for them to have different manners from us.
00:58:02What Mr. Shimada said earlier was that it's a religion versus a religion.
00:58:06He said that in Japan, it's loose, so it won't happen.
00:58:10In other words, it's a story about what will happen when the order of Japanese society collides with a radical religion.
00:58:18In other words, if you have a strong belief that the world will be completed when you close everything with your religion,
00:58:30even in Japanese society, even in regional society,
00:58:33there is a strong dissension.
00:58:36That's the order of Japanese society.
00:58:38There are many small clashes now.
00:58:41What will happen in the future?
00:58:44For example, the issue of the grave of Islam in Kyoto.
00:58:48I don't know what will happen to that.
00:58:51However, on the Japanese side,
00:58:53I think it's important to demand what came from foreign countries after the relationship with China.
00:59:00In the near future, when various cultures and religions come in from the West and the United States,
00:59:06I think it's important to think about how to assimilate them.
00:59:12I agree with Mr. Shimada.
00:59:14If that's the case, we can land.
00:59:16Where is it? It's Senkaku.
00:59:19Here is the last theme.
00:59:22Let's move on to the incident of the collision of the Senkaku Islands and China's fishing boats 15 years after that.
00:59:33April 23, 2022.
00:59:36In Hokkaido's west coast of the Shiretoko Peninsula,
00:59:39a shipwrecked cruise ship sank.
00:59:44In response to this accident,
00:59:46the country's director was strengthened in the fishing boat business.
00:59:50It was also an opportunity for the Coast Guard to strengthen the rescue system.
00:59:55Speaking of the Coast Guard...
00:59:5815 years after the collision of the Senkaku Islands and China's fishing boats.
01:00:03Around 10.15 a.m. on September 7, 2010,
01:00:07in both seas of Okinawa and Senkaku Islands,
01:00:10Yonaguni, the director of the Coast Guard,
01:00:14was in contact with a Chinese fishing boat that was running away after a illegal operation.
01:00:19The Chinese boat followed the director Mizuki's order to stop the war,
01:00:24and also in contact with Mizuki.
01:00:28Mizuki's ship was damaged over 3 meters.
01:00:33In response to this, the director of the Coast Guard
01:00:37appealed to the director of the Chinese fishing boat for arrest.
01:00:42The director was sent to the Ishigaki Port Security Department in Okinawa Prefecture for interrogation,
01:00:48but in response to China's fierce protests,
01:00:51the Democratic Party of the time, the Kansai Prefecture, decided to release the director.
01:00:59In 2009, the Democratic Party of the time, the Hatoyama Prefecture,
01:01:02in response to the U.S. military's relocation of the Fukushima base,
01:01:08established the Island Protection Act to protect and manage the Senkaku Islands and other uninhabited islands.
01:01:15Regarding this, the director of the Coast Guard said,
01:01:18in the name of protecting the uninhabited islands,
01:01:24he was concerned that the ships of the navy and government agencies would monitor the surrounding area.
01:01:32However, the Senkaku Islands collision was exactly as planned.
01:01:39Then, about two months after the incident, on November 4, 2010,
01:01:47Hey! Stop!
01:01:50Stop!
01:01:54Hey!
01:02:00The video of the collision of the Chinese fishing boat was uploaded to YouTube.
01:02:09This video was posted on an account called Senwoku38.
01:02:15After that, it was found that the person who posted this video was Masaharu Ishiki,
01:02:20who was the Coast Guard at the time.
01:02:23After posting the video, Mr. Ishiki contacted Yomiuri TV and responded to the interview.
01:02:29And after leaving the Coast Guard,
01:02:32on May 29, 2011, he appeared on a new program of the same committee.
01:02:39What do you think about the fact that all of Mr. Ishiki's name is included in this name?
01:02:46Well, I haven't told anyone about this.
01:02:50I haven't told the police or the prosecutor either.
01:02:53I think it's either one or the other.
01:02:56I don't know if it makes much sense or not.
01:02:59At that time, the Senkaku Islands was a private land,
01:03:03and the test takers lived in Saitama Prefecture.
01:03:06The Democratic Party at that time,
01:03:09in order to maintain the peace and stability of the islands,
01:03:12started negotiations with the test takers, saying that the nationalization of the islands was necessary.
01:03:18However, the negotiations did not progress, saying that the current government could not trust them.
01:03:24In April 2012, the then Governor of Tokyo, Shintaro Ishihara,
01:03:29Tokyo decided to buy the Senkaku Islands.
01:03:32Tokyo will protect the Senkaku Islands.
01:03:35The situation suddenly developed.
01:03:38In September of this year, the Japanese government signed a sale contract with the test takers,
01:03:43and bought the three islands, such as Uotsuri Island, for 2.5 billion yen.
01:03:48The Senkaku Islands were to be nationalized.
01:03:52The Democratic Party was maintaining peace and stability,
01:03:58but now, in the waters of the Liaoning Strait,
01:04:01the China-Korea Line has deteriorated,
01:04:04and the tension is increasing.
01:04:08And China and Taiwan are still claiming the right to own the Senkaku Islands.
01:04:15Meanwhile,
01:04:17the Chinese side found out that the Chinese side had removed the part
01:04:22where the China-Korea Line was located.
01:04:28What was the intention of the removal?
01:04:34So, I have a question for everyone.
01:04:36Do you think the nationalization of the Senkaku Islands was correct?
01:04:43Now, I would like to ask everyone.
01:04:45Do you think the nationalization of the Senkaku Islands was correct?
01:04:48Many people say it was a mistake,
01:04:51but Mr. Kadota, do you think it was a mistake?
01:04:54I think it was a complete mistake.
01:04:56The fact that the government was trying to buy the Senkaku Islands
01:04:59was taken by the Democratic Party leader, Mr. Noda,
01:05:02in a great panic.
01:05:04If he was prepared to do that, it would have been good,
01:05:09but he did it without any preparation,
01:05:12without any plan, without any philosophy.
01:05:15He was scared by the criticism in China.
01:05:20In the case of Governor Ishihara,
01:05:22he said that the Senkaku Islands would be properly maintained
01:05:25and that the Tokyo University would be properly maintained.
01:05:28Why did a country that couldn't do that
01:05:31get in the way of the government trying to do it?
01:05:35It's still a shame.
01:05:37In the end, if this is nationalized,
01:05:40it will be the responsibility of the whole country.
01:05:43That's why China says,
01:05:45why are you doing this?
01:05:47If you think about Tokyo,
01:05:49you can't say that the government is doing it.
01:05:52You can make excuses.
01:05:54If you build a lighthouse,
01:05:56you can't say, what are you building?
01:05:58You can't make excuses.
01:06:00If you're going to build a lighthouse, it's fine.
01:06:02You should build it properly.
01:06:04You didn't do it, but you bought it.
01:06:06That's why he was stared at,
01:06:08and he said he wouldn't do anything.
01:06:10If that's the case, don't buy it.
01:06:12I actually have this in blue.
01:06:14Actually, my opinion is exactly the same as that of Mr. Kadota and Mr. Taniguchi.
01:06:18I had a little conversation with Mr. Ishihara at that time.
01:06:21Mr. Ishihara said in a speech at Heritage America
01:06:24that he was going to build a proper infrastructure.
01:06:28This is the so-called executive power.
01:06:32You can never give up on the water supply issue,
01:06:35so it's important to have proper executive power.
01:06:38That's what Mr. Ishihara was trying to do.
01:06:40Unfortunately, before that,
01:06:43I've been doing a lot of weird things,
01:06:45such as returning the captured captain.
01:06:47As you said in a hurry,
01:06:49I just owned it.
01:06:51It's a very half-hearted feeling.
01:06:53I'm the second best.
01:06:55But just one thing.
01:06:57By arguing at that time,
01:06:59the Secretary of State at the time of the United States
01:07:01said that this Senkaku
01:07:03was in the United States.
01:07:05If anything happens to Senkaku,
01:07:07the United States will intervene.
01:07:09He said it clearly.
01:07:12It's just a little better.
01:07:14But it's still a long way from the very best.
01:07:17If Mr. Ishihara had bought Senkaku in Tokyo
01:07:19and built an infrastructure there,
01:07:21I think things would have been
01:07:23completely different today.
01:07:25Mr. Ishihara didn't come up with it.
01:07:27It was before that.
01:07:29I got a call from him.
01:07:31He contacted me and said he would buy Senkaku in Tokyo.
01:07:34When I first got the call,
01:07:36he said,
01:07:39Where can I land?
01:07:41He said Senkaku.
01:07:43If you buy it in Tokyo,
01:07:45go straight ahead.
01:07:47How do you get there?
01:07:49He said he had already decided
01:07:51the fishing line on Ishigaki Island.
01:07:53He told me to land there.
01:07:55We talked a lot there.
01:07:57Senkaku has many owners.
01:07:59Senkaku Tsutsuji, Senkaku Sawagani,
01:08:01Senkaku Mogura.
01:08:03Most of them are now separate owners.
01:08:06He said he would buy Senkaku in Tokyo
01:08:08and land there.
01:08:10He said he would put biologists
01:08:12from various countries there.
01:08:14He wanted to make it an island
01:08:16like Galapagos.
01:08:18He had a system called Tokyo Ranger.
01:08:20He was in charge of it.
01:08:22He told me to land there.
01:08:24As Mr. Takeda said,
01:08:26if he had bought Senkaku in Tokyo,
01:08:28he would have taken action.
01:08:30I landed there.
01:08:32I built a heliport.
01:08:34I had a plan.
01:08:36I didn't have a boat.
01:08:38The waves were rough.
01:08:40When I landed,
01:08:42I jumped in
01:08:44and swam to land.
01:08:46That's what happened.
01:08:48You should have known that.
01:08:50Chubu doesn't do that.
01:08:52Chubu comes to land.
01:08:56Of course, Taiwan also
01:08:58claims the right to land.
01:09:00When I asked Mr. Ritoki,
01:09:02what did he say?
01:09:04He said, Japan has the right
01:09:06to fight.
01:09:08Don't be scared.
01:09:10Taiwan claims the right to land.
01:09:12That's what Mr. Ritoki said.
01:09:14What Mr. Ritoki and Mr. Abe
01:09:16talked about was
01:09:18Senkaku is definitely
01:09:20the right to land in Japan,
01:09:22but the fishermen
01:09:24should be allowed to
01:09:26land in Taiwan.
01:09:28Mr. Abe and Mr. Ritoki
01:09:30agreed on that.
01:09:32Why don't you just
01:09:34split the prey
01:09:36between China, Japan, and Taiwan?
01:09:38Why don't you just split
01:09:40the prey in the sea?
01:09:42China doesn't do that.
01:09:44China comes to land.
01:09:46You have to split the prey.
01:09:48You don't know
01:09:50what China is,
01:09:52so you do that.
01:09:54China doesn't want fish.
01:09:56They want an island.
01:09:58You know that.
01:10:00You have to fight
01:10:02against the bad guys.
01:10:04Don't be a good person.
01:10:08You must be tired.
01:10:10Yes, I am.
01:10:12Let's call it a day.
01:10:14Yes, let's call it a day.
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