Video Information: The Myth Demolition Tour, 7.5.16, Dharamshala, Himanchal Pradesh, India
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शिवं न जानामि कथं वदामिशिवं न जानामि कथं भजामि । अहं शिवश्चेत्परमार्थतत्त्वं समस्वरूपं गगनोपमं च ।।
I do not know Shiva, the Truth; how do I talk of the Truth?
I do not know Shiva, the Truth; how do I sing of the Truth?
I am, the benevolent, most liberating, and sky-like Truth.
Avadhuta Gita
Chapter 1, Verse 27 .
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शिवं न जानामि कथं वदामिशिवं न जानामि कथं भजामि । अहं शिवश्चेत्परमार्थतत्त्वं समस्वरूपं गगनोपमं च ।।
I do not know Shiva, the Truth; how do I talk of the Truth?
I do not know Shiva, the Truth; how do I sing of the Truth?
I am, the benevolent, most liberating, and sky-like Truth.
Avadhuta Gita
Chapter 1, Verse 27 .
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00:00First chapter, twenty-seventh verse.
00:22Shivam na janami, katham bhajami, Shivam na janami, katham bhajami.
00:39I do not know Shiva, the truth.
00:45How do I talk of the truth?
00:51I do not know Shiva, the truth.
00:53How do I sing of the truth?
00:59Further, the verse proceeds to sing.
01:07I am the benevolent, most liberating and sky-like
01:32truth, implying, therefore, that why do I need to talk or sing of the truth?
01:49Shivam na janami, katham bhajami, Shivam na janami, katham bhajami.
01:58I do not know the truth.
02:07How do I talk or sing of it, katham bhajami?
02:18What we call as knowing is just accumulated knowledge, a thing of the memory.
02:28When do you say that you know something or somebody?
02:31Only when you can use memory to identify that thing or person.
02:41If something is not at all in your memory, then you will not say that you know that thing
02:46or will you?
02:48If you have no previous experience of something, if something is not a part of time, not a
02:53part of the past, you will not claim that you know that thing.
02:59So what we call as knowing is actually just memorization, actually just a collection of
03:06more information and knowledge.
03:12Dattatreya is saying the truth is not a matter of knowledge.
03:24Only knowledge can be expressed in words, so you cannot talk of the truth.
03:36Now is that an incapacity?
03:41Is that a limitation, a bondage or is that your highest expression, your greatest liberation,
03:51your total freedom?
03:56That you cannot know the truth, that you cannot talk or sing of the truth is your greatest
04:02freedom because it means that you yourself are the truth.
04:13You can only be in the truth.
04:20You can only be as the truth.
04:24You can only be the truth.
04:29But talking or singing of truth or knowing or conceptualizing the truth all as mental
04:37activity is futile.
04:44In the world, you say that you know when you have an image, when you have a name and a
04:55form of something, somebody.
05:01In essence, in spirituality, you say that you have really, really known only when you
05:10forget all about forms, names, knowing, talking, singing.
05:18When you have forgotten all about knowing, then you know.
05:25When you fail to express through words, then you have really expressed.
05:36When you know that no song can contain him, then every song that you sing is his song,
05:45the song of truth, the song of Shiva, the song of Brahman.
05:53You take this.
05:54To the mind, it sounds like bad news.
05:59Oh, I cannot know the truth.
06:02I cannot talk of the truth.
06:08To the mind, it is almost like humiliation.
06:12I am being told that I am not even capable of talking of the truth, what to say of reaching
06:21the truth.
06:26But to you, it is very good news because it is being repeated and asserted that you are
06:42the truth.
06:45You are the truth.
06:50No truth, not as a dualistic experience, no truth as your very being, you are the truth.
06:58No truth, not as some kind of an information, but as your deepest silence.
07:12No truth, not as some thought, but as the centre around which all thoughts move, but
07:21which itself is unclouded by thoughts.
07:28Getting it?
07:33These are two things that go together and parallel and appear to be opposites.
07:43One, you cannot know truth.
07:50Second, you already know everything about truth, you already know the truth itself because
08:02you are the truth and these two go together.
08:10Because whatever you call as knowing is not knowing at all.
08:15In the name of knowing, you just collect data, it is mind.
08:23The mind can only accumulate information, the mind cannot really know or understand.
08:36It is not a feeling, no not even that.
08:42It is a pure relaxation in which thoughts, feelings, intuitions, all have no meanings.
08:53It is more like a cessation, a gap, a breaking away from the whole rigmarole of thinking,
09:04feeling, acting.
09:06Sir, truth is nothingness.
09:13For you, nothingness is something.
09:15So, even if I say truth is nothing, you will translate it to mean the truth is something.
09:21Whenever you say nothing, don't you have an image of nothing?
09:27So for you, truth is nothing and that means truth is something.
09:32That is dangerous.
09:33But for me, my experience is more like a chaos, space, something like that, I don't know.
09:44Something holding me.
09:49The experience of daily living or the experience of truth?
09:54What I feel is the self.
10:02Will you feel this way if all your memory is wiped out?
10:10Will you still remember the can and you know this, that, sky, whatever image you have?
10:17Will you feel this way in your deep sleep?
10:21You won't.
10:22Right?
10:23So, all of this is felt only in the conceptualizing state of mind, only in the waking state of
10:30mind.
10:31And what is it that the mind experiences in its waking state?
10:38Thoughts and ideas.
10:39So, this is just a thought, an idea.
10:42It is not the self, not the truth, not Shiva.
10:45It will be your own concept.
10:52Whatever you will say about the truth will be false, whatever you will say in the truth
10:56will be true.
10:57Beside the conceptualization, there is something, isn't it?
11:03No, there is nothing called a God experience or a truth experience.
11:10It is a little different.
11:15When you are in God, then all experiences are godly.
11:20There is no specific God experience.
11:23Surrendered to God, all your experiences are godly.
11:27Not surrendered to God, whatever you do, feel, act or experience is ungodly.
11:39So, do not give value to any one particular experience.
11:45If your mind is in the right place, at the right center, then all experiences will carry
11:54the flavor of the self.
11:57All experiences will be godly.
12:05Shopping, you would be operating from divinity, walking, taking a bath, playing with a pet,
12:22sipping tea, all godly, all godly.
12:30Either God is in all your experiences or he is not in any particular experience.
12:38When you are in God, then everything is godly, mind you everything, not one or two specific
12:46things, everything.
13:16Sir, for example, on mobile, news blinks, anything, we see it, we feel disturbed.
13:36It is not necessary.
13:37First of all, it is not necessary that you are disturbed.
13:41Second, it is not necessary that when you are disturbed, then you become the disturbance.
13:52You get this?
13:53Firstly, it is not necessary that the mobile phone or whatever creates ripples in the mind.
13:59That is not necessary.
14:00Secondly, even if it does create ripples in the mind, it is not necessary that you become
14:07one with the ripples.
14:13Ripples are only there on the surface of the sea, deeply the sea is quite calm, you can
14:17stay deep.
14:18So, let the ripples be there superficially.
14:31Sir, when we drop all the concepts or ideas, when we don't, you know these awareness,
14:50is it not the same?
14:53But that awareness is not a thing of experience.
14:57Also remember that you need not drop ideas and concepts.
15:02Ideas, concepts in practical daily living, they have a certain utility, so you need not
15:09just wipe them off from your memory, let them stay, poor things, let them be.
15:17Just don't take them seriously, just don't think that one can contain the truth in his
15:21ideas or her ideas, let them be.
15:28Awareness is not an idea.
15:31Awareness powers all ideas, but no idea is big enough to know awareness.
15:38In fact, idea could have known awareness had awareness been an object, something limited,
15:44something that existed.
15:46Awareness is something that is non-existent, it is an absence of disturbance.
15:55It is a very relaxed silence.
16:01It is like the waves of disturbance have now just subsided, that is awareness.
16:10You are operating in consciousness, you are trying to know through thought and trying
16:19to know through thought was such an effort.
16:23And now you have just known, after you have known, do you still need to continue thinking?
16:31That is awareness.
16:32Sir, but awareness is continuing, we don't know ourselves.
16:43Yes, only awareness is really continuing, it knows no full stops.
16:48Awareness has beginning, there and ends, awareness has no beginning, no end.
16:52Even in deep sleep?
16:53Yes, even in deep sleep you are aware, even when you think you are unaware, you are still
16:57aware.
16:58Is awareness non-separation?
17:03It is not even separation, it is not even non-separation, because whenever you say non-separation
17:12or separation, you will be able to give a definition to it and the very definition of
17:18something is its boundary, when you say non-separation is this, then you are saying non-separation
17:25is not that, so you have created a boundary and awareness does not know boundaries, in
17:33awareness boundaries are dissolved.
17:34That is why it is not a thing of mind.
17:35Sir, when we die, I die, then what happened to my awareness?
17:51It was not yours.
17:56Is it something personal?
17:57Does the person exist in awareness?
18:03Had it been yours, had it been yours, it would have died along with you.
18:11Does time exist in awareness?
18:15Does time?
18:19So what do you mean by after death?
18:21After implies time, that I am gone, now time is still continuing.
18:27Awareness and time are not in the same dimension.
18:31Awareness is the same as the self, the truth, the Atma.
18:36Awareness also sees time.
18:42So that is why we say we all are one, we are not two, we are all one.
19:01A few days back you said something about someone having the experience of feeling that his
19:10awareness was also going through the world, through the insects, something like this.
19:17And you said like this is just illusion.
19:21So if the awareness is not personal, why is it not possible that once we are really in
19:31this awareness we are not getting closer to each other, if we are sharing the same awareness?
19:37He just said that in awareness there are no boundaries.
19:42The moment you say each other, what do you mean?
19:47Boundaries and boundaries and more boundaries.
19:49Each other, me, him and that is all boundaries.
19:53In awareness others don't exist.
19:58In awareness others don't exist at all.
20:02The very absence of otherness is awareness.
20:07If you are still seeing others, you are hardly aware yet, even you are not there because
20:20if you are there then others are bound to be there.
20:27In awareness others are not there but even you are not there because you are nothing
20:35but something defined by a boundary.
20:41Physically you are defined by the boundary that the skin is, mentally you are defined
20:45by the boundary that the ego is.
20:50In awareness neither of these boundaries have any meaning.
20:58In fact there are no meanings at all in awareness.
21:04Awareness is pure relaxation, experiencing nothing, identified with nothing, existing
21:17as nothing.
21:21Does it mean that one does not exist in awareness?
21:25Well, one neither exists nor does one not exist because both existence and non-existence
21:33are just concepts and concepts don't exist in awareness.
21:50Awareness is just a great and highly eloquent silence, a silence that speaks, sings, makes
22:00you dance, that is awareness.
22:07You are already there, just don't prevent yourself from dancing, all is set, just be
22:20one with the dance, step in, join the dance, that's all.
22:30All is ready, nothing is lacking.
22:33Sir, how does it connect the word joy with this state, awareness?
22:40Yes, awareness is joy.
22:42Just as we are talking of awareness as an absence of all disturbance, similarly joy
22:49is the absence of both happiness and sadness.
22:55So, in making strip, do we have disturbance of everything?
23:01Look at the question, the question says, can I have a taste of that joy?
23:05And what is this I?
23:08This I is the one that says I want happiness, I want to avoid sadness.
23:14And what is joy?
23:17What is joy?
23:19Something beyond both happiness and sadness.
23:21So, are these two compatible, I and joy?
23:25I is the one which goes after happiness, joy is the one that has nothing to do with happiness.
23:33Now, will I and joy go together?
23:36So when there is joy, there is no I.
23:40And as long as there is this I, there can be no joy.
23:45So, for mind, that joy cannot be experienced at all?
23:49It is not experienced by the mind in the way it experiences everything else.
23:57Joy is a cessation of experience, the mind is not.
24:05The wonderful thing is, in not being, the mind finds a peace beyond experience.
24:15You see, when you are sleeping deeply, are you there?
24:18But don't you wake up and say, I am relaxed.
24:21That is joy.
24:22A pointer, just a pointer, not exactly joy.
24:28You see this?
24:30In not being, the mind finds a peace and that peace is not really an experience.
24:36After waking up, you can say, oh, it was nice.
24:40But do you say the thing is nice while you are in sleep?
24:48So not quite an experience, yet something quite wonderful.