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00:00Hello Pri, today we are here with Cristian, a man who lost 200 million pesos at the hands of who he thought was his best friend.
00:13Cristian, thank you for joining us. Tell us what your problem is and how we can help you.
00:18Hello, good afternoon. The truth is that more than helping me, maybe my story can help someone.
00:26A few years ago I created a company, we were four friends, one of whom was very close.
00:34He was a guy from the south, the typical good guy from the south.
00:38And finally, after running a construction company for about seven years, we began to notice him with half-strange attitudes.
00:47And we began to monitor his work more, and we realized that 200 million pesos were missing.
00:56We faced it, it was done in the middle of the madman, let's say.
01:02And then, looking for more, in the end we found that the figures went up even more.
01:08The issue is that when you work with people, especially in companies that are so small, it is very difficult not to be friends with them.
01:15My mistake was, because I was the legal representative and the initiator of the company,
01:19that I, with the friendship, I was giving participation of the company.
01:23Finally, the four of us had 25% each of the participation of the company, I kept the legal representation.
01:30And my mistake was not having trusted the friendship, not having been inquisitive in the inspection, and having trusted the people.
01:40The problem is that one sometimes tends to confuse friendship with trust,
01:45or that it looks ugly that one inspects if he is a friend of one, but in reality you have to do it.
01:51And what happened in the bottom of your heart when this issue was already irremediable?
01:55You saw the numbers, they no longer fit, 200 million pesos are missing. What happened to your soul?
02:00It is a strong pain.
02:03Even remembering it, one gets a little excited.
02:08Because it was something that one had done with effort, and it was not only his betrayal,
02:17but also the company in which we worked did not believe in us.
02:23And also in the self-criticism of oneself, one realizes that one was stupid,
02:29that one trusted people that one should not have trusted.
02:32Did you fall in love with him at some point?
02:36Yes, I fell in love with him along with the other partners,
02:39but he always looked for the way, because what hurt us the most,
02:46and what we tried to see at what moment, because I'm sure he wasn't like that when we hired him,
02:52we met him at some point along the way, I don't know if maybe the increase in money,
02:58the bad influence, the bad friends, I don't know, changed the ambition,
03:04because we helped him a lot, and yet that's how people turn you.
03:10And the worst thing is that you told me that he is now living in Reggio,
03:15he bought a place, and you are still paying those debts, you are still in the banking system.
03:20Of course, that leads to a lot of financial problems, family problems,
03:25one has to ensure the studies of the children, and there are a lot of things that,
03:30at least for me, obviously it is nothing compared to what happened to Arturo Vidal,
03:36but for me it was all my capital, at an age when it is very difficult to reinvent oneself,
03:41and therefore it is something that accompanies you for the rest of your life.
03:47We have a panel with experts who can also comment on your story,
03:53Cristian, and maybe give you some advice, because he, for example,
03:56did not want to take legal action, but maybe he could have.
03:59Yes, Cristian, first, thank you very much for trusting our program,
04:03and it is true, more than asking for advice, you already went through a very distressing situation,
04:11but you feel somehow free to expose this, and that other people do not,
04:16because it shows that you are also a good person, you had the best intentions,
04:19you felt betrayed, and probably beyond having lost 200 million pesos,
04:24which is a lot of money, it hurt you a lot to have lost a friend,
04:27and that may be what hurts the most.
04:30I want to ask Mónica López, who is our psychologist,
04:33in some way, of course, the same business may make people change,
04:40or not, maybe we start with one, and then we end up being partners with another.
04:46Indeed, money, the search for power, when you see yourself in those situations,
04:52it starts to, precisely, he says something key,
04:56I stopped supervising him because he was my friend,
05:00and that point is one of the most classic mistakes in family business,
05:04in business with friends, where you say, no, how ugly it is to be supervising,
05:08managing, controlling, because it comes from trust,
05:12how nice it would be if we could really do without contracts, controls and everything,
05:17and just trust, but unfortunately, in the end, this protects us,
05:21especially when there are business within friendship, it is important to put those limits,
05:26and from there, the power, and this is a message for all the people who listen to us,
05:30that if you have a family business, every so often evaluate how we are going,
05:34are the commitments being fulfilled, let's do an audit from the beginning,
05:39let's do an audit every so often, so that we can all account,
05:43as if it were a business without friends, without family.
05:46All very transparent.
05:47All very transparent, because in the end, it is a duel,
05:50what Christian is seeing, indeed, emotional, which has much more power than money.
05:54Yes, Christian, at some point you said, maybe we are at an age where it is very difficult to reinvent,
06:00to move forward, to be able to get that amount of money,
06:04but anyway, you are working, I understand that you are working in a veterinary,
06:08tell me how that has been, too.
06:12Yes, look, it helped me a lot to work at the NGO El Mejor Cambio,
06:18I take this opportunity to send a greeting to Jairo, because that gives you a little faith in people,
06:23and now we have a veterinary clinic, because I am a professional veterinarian,
06:29and thank God it has gone quite well, and at least with that it gives us to support ourselves and live.
06:39We were never very greedy or anything, but fortunately, with the profession, one can move forward.
06:46But also, as a message, let's say, to approach societies that help the NGO or help the neighbor,
06:54that also helps a lot to believe in people again,
06:57because one really comes out hurt and distrustful of their shadow.
07:01Yes, how important, and now that you mention Jairo, I imagine that many of the people who participate in the Jairo NGO,
07:08perhaps sometimes come with despair, or are also surprised to know that not all people are equally bad,
07:16because in some way you have to regain confidence, we cannot live distrusting everyone,
07:20even if we have had a bad experience.
07:22Yes, first send a hug to Christian,
07:24I met Christian when he was in this company, and he was very good, he helped us with the NGO,
07:29he contributed money, he is a very supportive man and a very trusted person.
07:33I think that's also why he went through what he was telling us.
07:38And I also saw the other process of him, when he went through all this scam of his friend,
07:44the pain he had, how he got there, and he started working with us more in the field.
07:48He accompanied us to build, and it was a super good therapy for him,
07:52to be able to realize that there are people who are good, that is, that not everything is bad, that not everything is negative,
07:59so it was a super good therapy for Christian, so I'm glad to see him, I send him a kiss, a hug,
08:04and forward, not just for me, but forward, and to give impulse.
08:07Christian, you know he's here, I don't know if you know him, Ivan Martinez,
08:11he is a funeral businessman who has been very successful, and also he gives talks,
08:16and I want to learn from you, really, what do I want from you? I think from everyone.
08:21Because he has a lot to say, and probably he, who is already in a new job,
08:25maybe he needs some words of encouragement, he needs to know what not to do so as not to make a mistake again.
08:31Well, Christian's friend, apparently, was hit on both sides,
08:35this blow hit him in the heart, apparently, which maybe sensitizes a little bit with the friend,
08:40and it also hit him in the pocket, which usually happens.
08:44Nowadays, I always recommend, when you're looking at a company,
08:49whether it's a small, medium, or large company,
08:51you always have to have the company's visibility, at least once a month.
08:57I do it weekly, I see the numbers a little bit weekly, and see a little bit, and understand a little bit,
09:03what is the cost of a salary, what is the cost of a supplier.
09:07Because you are always present.
09:09I just want to ask Christian, so as not to make these mistakes,
09:12because there are so many people who can benefit from your experience.
09:14Have you ever been on top?
09:16Did you make that mistake of checking the accounts?
09:19Or did you really stop being there?
09:21Maybe because it can also be a bummer that he sees it.
09:27What is the mea culpa that you do?
09:28In the beginning, of course, yes.
09:31What happens is that over time, as I was saying,
09:33friendship generates trust, and as I said before,
09:38it looks bad that you check a friend.
09:40So in the end, you delegate things, you take things for granted,
09:44things that are going to be done and are not done.
09:46Of course.
09:47So the mea culpa is that.
09:48I think that no matter how much friendship, family, brotherhood, or whatever,
09:52I think that if you are above all responsible for the business,
09:55because I was the legal representative, you have to check.
09:58It doesn't matter if they are friends, family, intimate,
10:01you don't have to leave because the honor and the name of one is at stake.
10:05Yes, because maybe he also delegated a lot.
10:07Yes, I think of two issues here.
10:09One issue may be, I don't always accuse the robbery,
10:12it may be a bad administration of the person in charge.
10:15Out of ignorance.
10:16Out of ignorance, because a bad administration of a company
10:19that leaves someone in charge,
10:21money can be diluted with bad expenses, bad income, bad productivity.
10:26It may not necessarily be a robbery,
10:28because suddenly one is talking about robbery
10:30and maybe it was a bad administration of the person
10:32who spent the money improperly.
10:35These are two processes that I think are equally clear from my point of view.
10:39Yes, but being above and also somehow asking for financial explanations.
10:43Yes, Cristian?
10:47Yes, in my case, I am particularly sure that it was a robbery,
10:51because in fact this person now has a dairy in the south,
10:54the lady has a business, she took several trips and all that.
10:59There is no way that it would not have been with the money from us,
11:02if she worked for us, we would know how much she spent
11:04and the numbers simply do not match.
11:07So I'm sure it was not a bad administration, unfortunately.
11:13Yes, it is true, because as Ivan says,
11:16in some way these irregular situations are occurring
11:20and of course, if in some case, which is not this one,
11:23as Cristian clarifies,
11:25bad business is done, bad management,
11:27and that produces losses,
11:29but also being above, perhaps, could have reacted in time.
11:33It is the only recipe there is for controls,
11:36and in life it is like that,
11:38if you are not above the processes that interest you,
11:40it will never be a success.
11:42And the higher you are, I speak weekly meetings,
11:45the more you control,
11:47and if once a month it can be acceptable,
11:49but if after six months you do not control,
11:51a year passes and you do not control,
11:52two years pass and you do not control,
11:53without a doubt you will be surprised with a lot of things that are wrong.
11:56Yes, it is true.
11:57And also, well, I insist on the robbery,
11:59and the issue of bad administration,
12:00which also happens a lot with that,
12:02people do not know how to manage companies,
12:04and the money is diluted by the fingers.
12:07And to avoid that, one should consult, right?
12:09To avoid that, one has to be above,
12:11and see the last line of business,
12:13how much a business is leaving,
12:15if it is profitable or not profitable,
12:16because suddenly one thinks that the fact of having a lot ...
12:19There are people who sell products,
12:21and what is it called,
12:23and do not know what the income is.
12:25It is a very deep issue that has to be studied,
12:27and that is productive,
12:29and the control too, that has to be always.
12:31And have everything very clear.
12:32Now, in this case,
12:33Cristian was the legal responsible,
12:35and he chose not to report,
12:38he should report,
12:39I do not know if maybe he is so affected
12:42with all this situation,
12:44he clearly hit him in the wrist and in the heart,
12:47but if he reports,
12:49would he get something clean?
12:51I mean, let's see,
12:52comparing it with the case of Arturo Vidal,
12:54in this case he is the administrator,
12:56that is, he is the legal representative,
12:58right Cristian?
12:59And therefore, perhaps here,
13:01if it is that the person you say was your partner,
13:03he swindled you in this money,
13:05maybe there is a simulated contract,
13:07an incompatible negotiation,
13:09something, some other figure,
13:10that allows the law,
13:12to be able to pursue this responsibility.
13:14So, it would be necessary to analyze and see,
13:16in the background,
13:17because one thing is that you are the administrator,
13:19and you respond, in the background,
13:21for the acts that you do,
13:22but this person who was an employee,
13:23who was your partner,
13:24who fulfilled certain functions,
13:26see, in the background,
13:27if he will have simulated contracts,
13:29that you did not know,
13:30if you can believe that you did not know,
13:32the things that he was doing,
13:33through which he could finally
13:35swindle you in these 200 million pesos.
13:38And I want to tell you something else,
13:39which is super important,
13:40because when one constitutes a society,
13:42people are always told,
13:44it is important,
13:45the affectus societatis,
13:46that is to say,
13:47that intention,
13:48that will to want to associate you
13:49with such and such person,
13:50for such and such reasons.
13:52Surely, in your case,
13:53and this is very representative,
13:54it is because there was a bond of friendship
13:56and trust.
13:57And then,
13:58that trust was the one
13:59that made you associate with that person.
14:00But that trust,
14:01then,
14:02you have to be checking it,
14:03you have to be looking at it,
14:04because,
14:05not for being friends,
14:06you have to, in the background,
14:07leave the business delivered
14:08and without doing a permanent audit.
14:10Yes, Cristian,
14:11we wish you the best of luck
14:12in your venture.
14:13In fact,
14:14we are going to put it on the screen again,
14:15so that people know.
14:17This is a veterinary clinic
14:18that is located where?
14:20It is on Rosal Avenue,
14:216,
14:223,
14:236,
14:241,
14:25where there is a UNIMAC,
14:26there is a small shopping center,
14:27there we are in the place number 2,
14:28for the people of Maipú,
14:29here we are waiting for you.
14:30Yes,
14:31there it is,
14:32at
14:33housecare.cl
14:34so that you know
14:35if you live there,
14:36near the commune of Maipú.
14:37Thank you very much,
14:38Clarissa,
14:39and thank you very much,
14:40Cristian,
14:41for trusting our program.
14:42Have an amazing day.
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