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00:00Thank you very much, it's an honor to have the
00:29president with us. So the fact that Trump called Putin first and not Zelensky means that Zelensky
00:36won't have had the opportunity to impress on Trump his key positions and views and perspectives on
00:42how any potential discussions of a ceasefire might unfold or unroll and that's obviously
00:50significant because essentially it means that Ukraine is being cut out of the discussion
00:55and Putin and Trump are speaking directly to each other without taking Ukraine's position
01:00into account. No, we had a great call and it lasted for a long time, over an hour
01:08this morning. I also had with President Zelensky a very good call after that and I think we're on
01:15the way to getting peace. I think President Putin wants peace and President Zelensky wants peace
01:23and I want peace. I just want to see people stop getting killed.
01:53This was only the first initial conversation. The fact that Trump seemingly gave everything away
02:19and Putin got everything he wanted is not a good sign for things to come. The other question of
02:25course is what does this actually look like and that's where I think the distinction between a
02:32ceasefire and a peace deal is important because a ceasefire means that Ukraine could hold on
02:38to its territorial integrity whereas a peace deal along the current front lines
02:46would mean ceding significant amounts of territory to Russia. Trump did say that that's
02:51something that would have to be considered except very much echoed those comments at the
02:54defence ministerial meeting. We're not seeing Europeans move quick enough in terms of coming
03:14up with ideas of how they can actually help secure Ukraine's future and actually putting
03:21things on the table that would appeal to Trump to on the one hand keep the US engaged in European
03:26security because of course the added dimension to all of this is nuclear. Russia is a nuclear
03:32armed state and Europe is dependent on the US for its nuclear security umbrella. Now so far
03:38there hasn't been any talk of taking that off the table so that's positive but certainly quite
03:45a few European countries see continued US engagement in Europe as absolutely essential in
03:49part because of that.
04:08What you know what we have seen develop over the past few months and I think will only accelerate
04:20because of this is very much a coalition of the willing in Europe of countries who are willing to
04:24take the lead on this and feel that their Europe's and their own national interests and national
04:31security is directly threatened by current developments and will therefore take a more
04:35active lead and role on this the UK being one of them but the Baltic states and the Nordic states
04:41very much as well.
05:06you
05:31I mean obviously it makes the conversations that will take place at the Munich security
05:35conference all the more pressing and important and I would see lots of those coalition of the
05:41willing negotiations and talks initiating at MSC over the weekend because everyone will be there
05:48as well as really lots of Europeans talking to their American counterparts who will still be there
05:54trying to impress on them the urgency and importance of bringing Ukraine and other
06:01Europeans into the conversation.
06:32begin again. This must not be Minsk 3.0. That said, the United States does not
06:44believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.
06:50begin again. This must not be Minsk 3.0. That said, the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.
07:00Our understanding is that Zelensky is potentially open to having initial negotiations and some of
07:07the lines are softening a little bit as well but for Putin that hasn't softened and some of the
07:13things that he wants to get out of it for example removing troops or US troops out of Eastern Europe
07:18would really be significant not just for Ukraine but for Europe as a whole.
07:48Whether Putin gets a favourable ceasefire or peace deal on his terms or whether he just keeps grinding them down over time I'm not sure he really minds that much unless of course something significant changes in Russia itself but at the moment there aren't really clear indications that that would happen over the short term at least.
08:49I couldn't imagine that they might feel sold out by the US and that's how the past 24 hours have really been
09:00quite depressing for Ukrainian partners but that's why again the European role and what
09:06really thinking through what else the European allies can do to support that is so so important.