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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Kamran Akmal (Former Cricketer)
- Firdous Shamim Naqvi PTI
- Meher Bano Qureshi PTI
- Senator Afnan Ullah PMLN
- Muhammad Malick (Senior Analyst)
Pakistan defeat South Africa, secures spot in tri-series final - Kamran Akmal's Reaction
Why did Imran Khan expels Sher Afzal Marwat from PTI? - Firdous Shamim Naqvi Reveal Insiders
My Relations with Sher Afzal Marwat Improved, That’s Why He Was Expelled - Afnanullah Khan
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Kamran Akmal (Former Cricketer)
- Firdous Shamim Naqvi PTI
- Meher Bano Qureshi PTI
- Senator Afnan Ullah PMLN
- Muhammad Malick (Senior Analyst)
Pakistan defeat South Africa, secures spot in tri-series final - Kamran Akmal's Reaction
Why did Imran Khan expels Sher Afzal Marwat from PTI? - Firdous Shamim Naqvi Reveal Insiders
My Relations with Sher Afzal Marwat Improved, That’s Why He Was Expelled - Afnanullah Khan
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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:03Peace be upon you.
00:14In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:15Peace be upon you.
00:16We will talk about politics, of course, but for our nation, cricket is more than just a game.
00:21And a while ago, I myself had to come from the stadium.
00:24In fact, when I reached the stadium, there were about 20 Pakistanis there.
00:28And at that time, some very famous people, I don't want to say their names,
00:31they were saying that, brother, you have lost.
00:34You just don't understand.
00:35But the Pakistani team, being a Pakistani team,
00:37the Pakistani cricket team has done the biggest thing in the history of One International today.
00:43The partnership between the Pakistan team and Rizwan, the captain and vice-captain,
00:48Rizwan and Salman Ali Agha, has been the biggest partnership in the history of this place.
00:52The National Stadium has never seen such a big deal before.
00:57Pakistan chased the target of 352 runs.
01:00And now Pakistan will get the honor of playing in the final of the three-country series against New Zealand.
01:07This is very good news before the Champions Trophy.
01:10Otherwise, of course, a lot of emotions were going down, especially after losing the last match.
01:15So I want to quickly, before we come to politics,
01:18these are a few moments of happiness, I don't know when I will come next time.
01:21So let's celebrate it today.
01:23Mr. Kamal is with us.
01:25Brother Kamran, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:26Wa-Alaikum-Salam.
01:28Isn't it amazing?
01:29When I was in the stadium till the 20th over,
01:32I had the impression that Rizwan and Salman are standing,
01:37but there is no one ahead.
01:39So one of them has to get out, then the line has to be put up,
01:41then the matter is over, where will the chase be at 350?
01:43And both have centuries.
01:45It's amazing, what can I say?
01:47Definitely amazing, such a century.
01:50Look, in cricket history, big performances are remembered.
01:55And they are remembered by the innings.
01:57I think this performance, this chase, this century of partnership,
02:03will be remembered for centuries.
02:05Because they deserve it.
02:07I think when a losing match, when Fakhar came out,
02:09honestly, as a cricketer, as a test player,
02:11I was thinking that maybe the Pakistan team is trapped now.
02:14It is very difficult to chase for the Pakistan team now.
02:17But both have played very big batting, very big innings.
02:21I enjoyed watching the match.
02:23The Pakistan team can do it.
02:24The Pakistan team should have belief.
02:26Look, in modern day cricket, big teams are playing 6-7 matches out of 10.
02:32They play with this approach.
02:34So if we want to catch those teams,
02:37then we will have to continue this approach.
02:40We will have to keep this momentum.
02:42The Pakistan team can play this type of cricket.
02:44Why did they play today?
02:45You know, the last match was bad.
02:47They scored 250 runs.
02:48And if we don't qualify in the final,
02:51what will the media say?
02:53What will everyone say?
02:55How will we gain confidence in the Champions Trophy?
02:58When it hits the head, all our things start getting better.
03:02So today we saw those things.
03:04And they did an excellent chase.
03:06They chased the record.
03:08With that, the batting that Salman Ali Agha has shown,
03:12I think he will bat well.
03:14The 103 runs he has scored,
03:16the matches he has won,
03:18this is the biggest thing.
03:19So I think,
03:20the more we appreciate,
03:22the more we support,
03:24the more we praise,
03:26look, we also criticize when we don't play good cricket.
03:29When we play well,
03:30we should support as much as we can.
03:33And we should also say that the Pakistan team can do it.
03:36There is belief.
03:37And we should continue this thing.
03:39Don't let the momentum go down.
03:40Pakistan vs New Zealand.
03:41It shouldn't take years.
03:43It shouldn't take years to see such a performance again.
03:46It shouldn't take a week, a month,
03:48it shouldn't take time.
03:50Because today's cricket is so fast.
03:52Who is your favorite against New Zealand in the final?
03:55I don't want to ask.
03:56Cricketing analysis.
03:58Look, from this total,
04:00definitely I feel that the Pakistan team can do it.
04:04But let's forget about this performance.
04:07Don't hide behind the risk in the upcoming matches.
04:10Don't change the approach.
04:12Don't change the approach.
04:13Continue this approach.
04:15Don't give up.
04:17You see, when you give up,
04:19that three are out,
04:21then who will chase such a big total?
04:23Until the last ball,
04:25the last wicket doesn't fall,
04:27the match doesn't end.
04:29So Australians,
04:30you see,
04:31in the ICC event,
04:32they are number one in the world.
04:34If India becomes,
04:35then you have to develop this mentality in the Pakistan team.
04:39Should we go with this combination in the next match?
04:42What are you saying, Sauri?
04:43Should we go with this combination in the next match?
04:46Look, in today's match,
04:47we got to know about the bowling of both the teams.
04:50Yes, yes.
04:51It's almost 700 runs.
04:53If we go with 5 bowlers,
04:55then we will be successful.
04:56Otherwise, it will be a loss of 350.
04:58So I don't think we will go with 4 bowlers.
05:01We should go with 5 bowlers.
05:04We can use the 6th bowler, Suleman Ali Agha.
05:07Right. Thank you.
05:08Thank you very much, Kamran bhai.
05:09Thank you for your time.
05:10May Allah make it happen as he said.
05:12And we come to our discussion.
05:14And let's start with the latest news,
05:16which is,
05:17I will read it out for you.
05:19This is the announcement of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
05:21which has been issued by the Additional Secretary General PTI,
05:23Firdaus Rameen Naqvi,
05:25which says,
05:33and also his actions,
05:35subject to the show-cause notice.
05:37Taking both these aspects into consideration,
05:40and on the instructions of the Founder Chairman of the Party,
05:43Mr. Sher Afzal Marwad,
05:45is being expelled from the party,
05:47with immediate effect.
05:49Sher Afzal Marwad's program
05:51is not continuing in the PTI,
05:53and his program has ended.
05:55He has been expelled from the PTI,
05:58with immediate effect.
06:00This letter is being issued by Mr. Firdaus Rameen Naqvi.
06:03Mr. Firdaus is with us right now,
06:05Mr. Additional Secretary General.
06:06Mr. Firdaus, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
06:07Wa-Alaikum-Wa-Alaikum-Salaam.
06:09Thank you very much for your time.
06:11This has happened before as well,
06:13against Mr. Marwad.
06:14The letter was issued,
06:15and he responded.
06:16The action that started again,
06:18which ended in this manner,
06:20that he was expelled from the party,
06:22this disciplinary issue that took place in the Swabi Jalsa,
06:24that became a catalyst,
06:26if not the fundamental reason,
06:28that became the main reason?
06:30I think,
06:32as you know,
06:34this was the third notice,
06:36and all the other things,
06:38as it is written here,
06:40that he himself made some promises,
06:42that I will stay in the discipline of the party.
06:46This is not just one incident,
06:48it's a series of events,
06:50it's a reply,
06:52and if subsequent things are problematic,
06:56then such action should be taken.
06:58So, is it right to say,
07:00that this is a kind of final action,
07:02and it will be difficult to return to the party?
07:08Yes, what is written in this,
07:10that is final.
07:12The rest,
07:14this final action,
07:16what is there in the world,
07:18I don't know about it.
07:20In politics, there are many ups and downs.
07:22Next time,
07:24because he is no longer a member of PTI,
07:26technically,
07:28he is an MNA,
07:30but PTI has lost its confidence in him.
07:32So, will he be asked to resign from the seat of the National Assembly?
07:34I think,
07:36we will have to inform the speaker,
07:38accordingly.
07:40You will tell the speaker,
07:42your party,
07:44that we have lost our confidence,
07:46so he should be de-seated.
07:48Right, okay.
07:50Thank you, sir,
07:52for your time.
07:54We will ask the guests.
07:56I am grateful to have you with us.
07:58Senior Ahmad Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insa,
08:00you need no introduction.
08:02Thank you very much for your time.
08:04Afnanullah Khan is also with us.
08:06I don't know,
08:08if Mr. Afnan has been cursed,
08:10or if Mr. Amarwad has gained a lot of fame
08:12after Javed Shahi's program.
08:14I would like to ask him,
08:16what are his impressions?
08:18Mr. Malik has also joined us.
08:20Mr. Amarwad,
08:22do you have any comments on this?
08:24He is a person,
08:26who made a name for himself in the party,
08:28and then,
08:30he was removed from the party.
08:32Such extreme actions,
08:34are rarely seen.
08:36See, getting an opinion on social media,
08:38and giving some statements,
08:40is another thing.
08:42And understanding the party's affairs,
08:44and following the party's
08:46views and discipline,
08:48is another thing.
08:50Sometimes,
08:52unfortunately,
08:54if you get an opinion on social media,
08:56then,
08:58you start considering yourself
09:00greater than the party's views.
09:02But the party has a modesty,
09:04a discipline,
09:06and following that is the most important.
09:08Sometimes, following the party's discipline,
09:10also means,
09:12that you keep your views aside,
09:14and follow the party's views.
09:16So, I think,
09:18it's just a case of that.
09:20Discipline is very important.
09:22If there is discipline in every party,
09:24then the party will function well.
09:26So, I think,
09:28Mr. Khan's statement...
09:30Wasn't it a bit surprising for you?
09:32It was very surprising for me,
09:34when Mr. Amarwad was removed,
09:36but he was already in ZAD.
09:38We all could see it coming.
09:40There is no one else,
09:42apart from Mr. Khan,
09:44Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur,
09:46when he comes to Swabi Jalsa,
09:48he brings him along,
09:50he literally shares the stage,
09:52he shares the mic,
09:54then Mr. Amarwad takes the mic from him,
09:56and says,
09:58he will speak in my language.
10:00In that too,
10:02without taking Mr. Salman Raja's name,
10:04he rubs it.
10:06I was under arrest at that time,
10:08so I didn't see all this.
10:10You gave a very innocent answer.
10:12Were you surprised to hear that?
10:14No, I think everyone wanted
10:16that everyone should come together,
10:18with joy,
10:20no one wants anyone to be left out.
10:22But, I think,
10:24even there,
10:26there is still opposition to discipline,
10:28no one is following their promises,
10:30and no one is coming
10:32in that ambit of discipline,
10:34then you are forcibly
10:36forcing the community
10:38to make such a harsh decision.
10:40I think so,
10:42everyone wants this,
10:44everyone wanted this in leadership,
10:46that things should go well,
10:48no one wants anyone to be left out.
10:50And is your opinion about Mr. Amarwad
10:52to this extent,
10:54or to some other extent?
10:56For example,
10:58many people from your party
11:00put another allegation on him,
11:02but Mr. Khan's statement
11:04gave an impression,
11:06that there are some planted people in our party,
11:08and Allah knows better
11:10how the hearts are,
11:12so I don't want to comment on this.
11:14Some of his statements,
11:16they have been surprising at times,
11:18because they were completely
11:20against the party line,
11:22or it might have caused more harm.
11:24What did he say about the party line?
11:26He violated the party discipline
11:28and hit some individuals.
11:30That's what I mean,
11:32I don't want to get into it,
11:34why should we repeat the past,
11:36but sometimes he has given
11:38such statements,
11:40which have caused more harm
11:42and have been less in our favor.
11:44Okay,
11:46let me ask Mr. Afnaan,
11:48Mr. Afnaan,
11:50when you were involved,
11:52you had a lot of fame,
11:54both of you,
11:56Mr. Amarwad,
11:58you have been on TV talk shows for a long time,
12:00Mr. Amarwad was new,
12:02so I am very interested to know your comment.
12:04I got a message,
12:06Mr. Afnaan,
12:08please ask him,
12:10if this happened because
12:12of his curses.
12:14In the name of God,
12:16it didn't happen because of my curses,
12:18because I don't curse anyone.
12:20So I won't curse anyone,
12:22and I have a good relationship with them.
12:24I think,
12:26maybe my relationship with them
12:28got better,
12:30and that's why PTI took action.
12:32This is not a problem at all,
12:34you have solved it.
12:36Mr. Imran Khan says,
12:38go and curse,
12:40so if he comes here and meets us,
12:42then of course,
12:44there will be problems for him.
12:46But,
12:48it may be true,
12:50let me ask you a question.
12:52It's not about cursing,
12:54but Mr. Khan,
12:56do you mind,
12:58if someone's picture
13:00is posted on social media?
13:02Why were you with Mohsin Naqvi?
13:04I'll tell you why.
13:06I'll come back to you later.
13:08The political atmosphere right now,
13:10the people who
13:12stole our votes,
13:14instead of our elected representatives,
13:16they took the plunge,
13:18knowing that
13:20Form 47 is their trap.
13:22Why did you meet them
13:24like this?
13:26Why did you meet Mohsin Naqvi?
13:28In politics,
13:30there is a discipline,
13:32and it should be there.
13:34But,
13:36but,
13:38our situation right now,
13:40with our community,
13:42it's not just that the people
13:44stole the mandate,
13:46you have done a lot of injustice
13:48to your people.
13:50On 8th February,
13:52the stories that came to us,
13:54which are printed in our workers' homes,
13:56were so violent,
13:58that they had a heart attack.
14:00The atrocities,
14:02the violence that is happening in this country,
14:04in that environment,
14:06the people who are responsible for it,
14:08sitting with them,
14:10like they are spreading flowers
14:12to the people,
14:14and to your workers,
14:16that is not right.
14:18Right.
14:20Mr. Afnan,
14:22what is your opinion on this?
14:24Then I will ask Mr. Malik,
14:26that there is no other message
14:28that the people
14:30who have
14:32harsh statements in the party
14:34will prevail more,
14:36and this is not needed.
14:38I saw that Mr. Saif was also
14:40dismissed from his post today.
14:42Yesterday, Mr. Sheikh Maqas said
14:44that those who can't retweet
14:46Imran Khan's tweets,
14:48those who don't take up
14:50Imran Khan's statements,
14:52we will make a policy on this.
14:54So, this means that the party's
14:56aura and temperament is going
14:58where the party will be told
15:00that you have to take on this matter,
15:02you have to name and shame it,
15:04otherwise you will do it.
15:06You have also heard
15:08Mr. Junaid Akbar's statements about this.
15:10Mr. Afnan.
15:12Look, the thing is that
15:14all the politics of PTI
15:16is based on rhetoric
15:18and saying bad things about
15:20Uthman Buzzar,
15:22Imran Khan,
15:24Ali Aman Gandapur.
15:26There is no delivery.
15:28I was at another talk show
15:30and asked the representatives
15:32to tell me three projects
15:34that you have just started
15:36in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
15:38They couldn't tell me those three
15:40projects in an hour.
15:42So, the thing is that
15:44the party's rhetoric
15:46and saying bad things about
15:48Uthman Buzzar,
15:50Imran Khan,
15:52Ali Aman Gandapur,
15:54Ali Aman Gandapur,
15:56Ali Aman Gandapur,
15:58Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:00Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:02Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:04Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:06Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:08Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:10Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:12Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:14Ali Aman Gandapur,
16:16So, tell me three projects
16:18that you have just started.
16:20The health card is old.
16:22Listen to it, Afnaan.
16:24No, tell me the new ones.
16:26No, the new and old things
16:28are not the same.
16:30First of all, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
16:32is the only province whose budget
16:34surplus is higher than its target.
16:36We have also met all our
16:38targets economically.
16:40What you don't see in Punjab,
16:42Balochistan, Sindh,
16:44we have also expanded
16:46the health card.
16:48And the health card
16:50is an absolute game changer.
16:52And Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
16:54is the only province
16:56that is in the midst of terrorism.
16:58The amount of NFC award
17:00that we should get is not being given
17:02by the federal government.
17:04The FATA region has been merged
17:06but the money is not being paid
17:08to the KP government.
17:10But the KP government is taking
17:12a lot of responsibility.
17:14The KP government
17:16is running the province
17:18in a very difficult situation.
17:20Isn't it wrong that Mr. Khan
17:22is concerned about the KP government's
17:24governance?
17:26I don't know about it.
17:28Under the circumstances,
17:30there is always room
17:32for improvement.
17:34Let me ask Mr. Malik.
17:36Mr. Malik,
17:38Mr. Marwat has been removed
17:40from his post.
17:42I know Mr. Afnan
17:44but I know you more than him.
17:46Because in your program,
17:48for the first time,
17:50he took the name of
17:52Mr. Salman Akram Raja
17:54and said,
17:56who is he?
17:58There is a notice in your program.
18:00Let me hear it.
18:02Then I will ask you.
18:04Are you satisfied now?
18:06Let me hear what Mr. Malik says.
18:08What does Salman Akram Raja
18:10have to do with the PTI?
18:12He is the Secretary General of your party.
18:14Who says that?
18:16Mr. Khan has appointed him.
18:18Have you seen the notification?
18:20Have you read the PTI regulations?
18:22Only an elected person
18:24can be the Secretary General
18:26of an inter-party election contest.
18:28If we disobey our party's regulations,
18:30then how will we disobey Pakistan's regulations?
18:32Where were these three or four people?
18:34Four months ago,
18:36he came to the PTI.
18:38Now he is explaining it to me.
18:40So, mind your own business.
18:42If he says anything more,
18:44I will have to answer him.
18:46I can tolerate it to a certain extent.
18:50Are you comfortable now, Mr. Malik?
18:54Your name should be
18:56Waseem Bechaini, not Waseem Badami.
19:00What an innocent question.
19:02It is not innocent.
19:04It is not my fault.
19:06Salman Akram Raja came to Kashif's program
19:08at 8 o'clock that day.
19:10So, the entire network
19:12is involved in this.
19:14Yes, the entire network is involved.
19:16He spoke harshly about it.
19:18He came to me at 10 o'clock
19:20and I took his answer.
19:22This is what happened.
19:24These people themselves do it.
19:26Groups have their own fights.
19:28There are small things happening
19:30in big parties.
19:32The development projects
19:34that were being counted,
19:36I think it has gone beyond that.
19:38The next election
19:40will not be based on the number
19:42of development projects.
19:44The next election will be based
19:46on a narrative.
19:48A narrative that people think
19:50is based on establishment pro
19:52and this angle.
19:54The second narrative is
19:56the narrative of defiance.
19:58It is natural that people like
20:00this narrative because
20:02every ordinary person
20:04has a lot of difficulties in life.
20:06So, when you call anybody
20:08who is in a place of power
20:10and authority bad,
20:12people like it because
20:14you have to blame somebody
20:16for everything.
20:18Plus, we are politically
20:20very active people.
20:22Our minds are very overactive.
20:24So, we move fast.
20:26This will be a war of narratives.
20:28For example, if you look at
20:30the government of Ibrahim Khan,
20:32when the government fell,
20:34we have lost 15 elections
20:36before that.
20:38The government was immensely
20:40unpopular.
20:42When the government fell
20:44and he took a stance,
20:46suddenly that time was forgotten.
20:48And I have also heard
20:50your analysis.
20:52The next election is based
20:54on the developing situation.
20:56In the current situation,
20:58when I am talking to you today,
21:00on 12th February, 2025,
21:02what are the ways for PTI?
21:04This narrative thing is done
21:06and it is very popular with them.
21:08But do they feel that
21:10their remaining ways are limited?
21:12That is why they are doing
21:14what they are doing.
21:16Today, when I am talking to you,
21:18Mr. Khan has also written
21:20a third letter to you
21:22from Asim Munir,
21:24Mr. Khan must not be expecting
21:26that Mr. Asim Munir will reply
21:28that Mr. Imran Khan,
21:30I have read your letter
21:32and I wish you good health.
21:34What would Mr. Khan be expecting
21:36from you?
21:38Look, defiance or aggression
21:40is in his brain.
21:42Everyone has a personality
21:44and a way of speaking.
21:46You speak sweetly,
21:48but you speak harshly.
21:50That is you.
21:52So, that is him.
21:56I think he is in his element.
21:58Secondly, tell me,
22:00he is inside,
22:02his party is in a mess.
22:04Does he have the option
22:06of taking hard line
22:08or defiance?
22:10If he becomes soft tomorrow
22:12and the party becomes good,
22:14will everyone come out?
22:16No, he does not have the option
22:18to lower his statements
22:20and backdoor the matter.
22:22No, he has forgotten his dialogue.
22:24Power talks to power.
22:26He has only one solution.
22:28Now,
22:30the third party
22:32which does not believe in PTI,
22:34they have expectations,
22:36no one believes in it publicly,
22:38that the third party
22:40will be through arbitration.
22:42Ms. Benazir Bhutto Sahiba,
22:44General Musharraf,
22:46they also had a third party intervention.
22:48In both these examples,
22:50the third party was from a foreign country.
22:52So, this will happen this time also,
22:54if it happens.
22:56Because we do not trust each other,
22:58it is a foreign guarantee.
23:00If we have a foreign guarantee
23:02from domestic to international,
23:04then only we trust each other.
23:06Otherwise, we do not trust each other.
23:08No, they say,
23:10it depends on what size of a club
23:12you are wielding.
23:14Accordingly, people respect you.
23:16How much can you enforce?
23:18You tell me in Pakistan,
23:20which institution or person
23:22has made any agreement
23:24between Imran Khan and the establishment
23:26and forced both of them
23:28to abide by it?
23:30There is no one in Pakistan.
23:32That's a reality.
23:34Guarantor has to be stronger
23:36than one of the parties.
23:38If not both,
23:40then at least one party
23:42has to be strong.
23:44So, the arbiter should also
23:46be stronger than one party.
23:48In Pakistan,
23:50if there is a third party
23:52more powerful than Imran Khan,
23:54then you tell me.
23:56Triple A is a very famous term.
23:58Allah, America and Army.
24:00It is a trifecta.
24:02Then I will ask Mr. Afnaan.
24:04Practically speaking,
24:06Mr. Malik has said
24:08that no one has tried Honor,
24:10but at this time,
24:12it is not as if
24:14if there is a matter
24:16from across the seven seas,
24:18then it might be a reason
24:20to change the situation.
24:22Otherwise, the tensions are increasing.
24:24I am not saying that you are wrong.
24:26But how will you find a solution?
24:28If you look at it academically,
24:30you should agree with Mr. Malik.
24:32But even today,
24:34I still have hope
24:36in Pakistan's own people
24:38and its own institutions.
24:40We will not be able to stand on our feet
24:42until we see someone
24:44from outside
24:46intervene or help
24:48or influence someone.
24:50If we want to get out of this mess,
24:52then you can do it in one way.
24:54Your institutions
24:56should be strong.
24:58The parliament should be strong.
25:00The judiciary should be strong.
25:02This fight has gone so far
25:04at the personal level
25:06and at the institutional level
25:08that how can we go back?
25:10Yes, everything has gone so far.
25:12I want to say one thing.
25:14Yes, yes.
25:16He gave a very good example
25:18of the mud.
25:20When you are stuck in the mud,
25:22the more you go in,
25:24the more you drown.
25:26You get a hand from outside
25:28that pulls you out.
25:30The mud in which we are stuck
25:32needs a hand to pull us out.
25:34Sure, maybe the whole of Pakistan
25:36is stuck in the mud.
25:38The powerful people
25:40who have all the power
25:42are not able to see
25:44how much damage
25:46is being done to the country
25:48by following this line.
25:50On February 24,
25:52you had a very beautiful opportunity
25:54to let go of
25:56the past.
25:58You should have bowed your head
26:00in front of the public's opinion.
26:02You should have accepted it.
26:04On that day,
26:06when we saw the polling,
26:08I thought that
26:10maybe we are going to put an end
26:12to all the injuries
26:14that have been inflicted
26:16for the past year and a half.
26:18But still,
26:20we are not saying that
26:22our needle is stuck.
26:24The needle of this country
26:26is stuck on the day
26:28when you rejected
26:30the people's opinion
26:32and then you destroyed
26:34the judicial system.
26:36All the distortions
26:38that you are creating in your system,
26:40you need to distort it further.
26:42You need to overpower it.
26:44You need to control it.
26:46Will there be a way out of this?
26:48Will you increase your pressure
26:50and expect the other side
26:52to lighten the burden?
26:54I think if we want to do it together,
26:56everyone will have to see
26:58where their mistakes are.
27:00They are not always right.
27:02They make mistakes.
27:04They have made mistakes.
27:06We should not make it a matter
27:08of ego.
27:10We should put the country first.
27:12We should put the country's interests first.
27:14You did all this.
27:16How did you come up with examples?
27:18In the current government,
27:20from your Prime Minister
27:22to the Prime Minister,
27:24no one knows how things work.
27:26What is happening?
27:28All the people sitting here in your studio,
27:30ask them if they feel
27:32that inflation has come down.
27:34What does it mean?
27:36The rate at which inflation was increasing
27:38has decreased.
27:40Inflation had reached the sky.
27:42Ask them if their salary
27:44is enough to cover their expenses
27:46or do they need more money every month?
27:48You still cannot afford
27:50the basics in this country.
27:52The economy is shrinking.
27:54Your industrial output is decreasing.
27:56You are moving towards de-industrialization.
27:58Why are people drowning in Greece?
28:00Let me take a break.
28:02I want to ask you
28:04that this is also happening in the country.
28:06People are meeting the Chief Justice
28:08and the IMF.
28:10This is a unique incident.
28:12Shouldn't the government
28:14do something about this?
28:16I want to ask Mr. Sherbano
28:18that maybe Mr. Khattak tweeted
28:20a while ago
28:22that those who showed weakness
28:24in the show-cause
28:26will not be removed from the party.
28:28They have become the hostages
28:30of the workers.
28:32They are being sidelined.
28:34My name has been removed
28:36from the meeting with Mr. Imran Khan.
28:38Mr. Zain Qureshi's name
28:40is also in the show-cause.
28:42What is his status now?
28:44A committee has been formed
28:46for that.
28:48We hope that when the committee
28:50takes up the show-cause
28:52and sees the answers
28:54that Mr. Khattak has given,
28:56he will not be removed.
28:58Is he suspended?
29:00Not at all.
29:02Let me ask Mr. Afnaan.
29:10Mr. Afnaan,
29:12do you think
29:14justice has been served
29:16and that the IMF
29:18is meeting the Chief Justice
29:20for the first time?
29:22The IMF is an institution
29:24that looks at economic
29:26and social issues.
29:28It gives you money
29:30and then asks you
29:32whether you have done
29:34fiscal discipline or not.
29:36The Chief Justice did not even
29:38tell us what happened.
29:40Why did this happen?
29:42Do you think this is right?
29:44I think that
29:46in the past,
29:48the Chief Justice
29:50has been trusted
29:52to handle
29:54foreign investment.
29:56If there is an adjudication,
29:58it will eventually
30:00go to the Supreme Court.
30:02The Chief Justice
30:04did not meet the IMF
30:06in Pakistan.
30:08He did not meet the IMF
30:10but if you remember
30:12the Recodec case,
30:14the Supreme Court
30:16did not meet the IMF.
30:18This is not a bad thing.
30:20If foreign investment
30:22is being made
30:24and all the major
30:26power players
30:28are aligned,
30:30I don't think
30:32it is a bad thing.
30:34How did the IMF
30:36come to this?
30:38If you want to
30:40raise foreign investment,
30:42you have to make
30:44a country for foreign investment.
30:46Adjudication will be
30:48done at the end of the day.
30:50I am telling you that
30:52the Supreme Court
30:54was involved in the
30:56Recodec case as well.
30:58You can check it.
31:00The more dangerous thing
31:02is that
31:04the PTI
31:06is writing a dossier
31:08of 350 pages
31:10and giving it to the IMF
31:12because our government
31:14is gone.
31:16This should be checked.
31:18Secondly,
31:20I have asked
31:22the question
31:24to count three PTI projects.
31:26The budget of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
31:28is Rs. 1754 billion.
31:30Rs. 1754 billion.
31:32You cannot count three projects.
31:34People say that
31:36Ali Ameen Gandapur's
31:38value has increased
31:40and the people
31:42of his cabinet
31:44are accusing each other
31:46of corruption.
31:48This is what is happening.
31:50I am saying that
31:52you cannot count three projects
31:54because all the wealth
31:56is gone.
31:58You are not counting
32:00solar projects,
32:02you are not giving
32:04people interest-free loans,
32:06you are not giving
32:08people any interest.
32:10This is what is happening.
32:12I think that
32:14Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's government
32:16has explained this properly.
32:18When I went there,
32:20Faisal Ameen was explaining
32:22a lot of things.
32:24You count three.
32:26It is a long list.
32:28If we come back to the topic
32:30of discussion,
32:32the IMF delegation…
32:34They are saying that
32:36we should obfuscate.
32:38They do not want to answer
32:40the real issues.
32:42They want to go back to the
32:44current situation.
32:46The role of the judiciary
32:48is very important.
32:50What does the judiciary ensure?
32:52It ensures that there is
32:54rule of law in a country.
32:56One of the six priorities
32:58of the IMF is
33:00transparency in the country,
33:02rule of law,
33:04and capacity to strengthen.
33:06They want to see these things.
33:08This has an effect on good governance.
33:10When there is good governance,
33:12you will not go back to the IMF program.
33:14This is our 25th program.
33:22The role of the judiciary
33:24is to ensure the rule of law.
33:26Is there a rule of law in this country
33:28where there was no
33:30fair and just election?
33:32No, there is no rule of law in this country.
33:34The rule of law is there.
33:36Imran Khan has written
33:38that the most important
33:40thing in the country
33:42is political stability.
33:44Why are you writing to the IMF?
33:46Because in 2023,
33:48when the IMF delegation
33:50came before the election,
33:52you will remember meeting Mr. Khan.
33:54I met Mr. Khan.
33:56My father was also present.
33:58This is what happened.
34:00If we want political stability
34:02in this country,
34:04then there should be a fair
34:06and just election.
34:08Everyone should agree to that.
34:10The IMF should not give money to Pakistan.
34:12Absolutely.
34:14The IMF should give money to Pakistan.
34:16But the money that it is giving
34:18to Pakistan,
34:20if it does not give it to the elected government,
34:22which does not have
34:24the confidence of the people,
34:26then it is a very difficult step
34:28for structural reforms.
34:30If an unpopular government
34:32So, this is not an election for you?
34:34So, the IMF should not give money to Pakistan?
34:36I will tell you,
34:38the IMF will lose money
34:40because they will not be able
34:42to make difficult decisions.
34:44They are already unpopular.
34:46So, the media is saying
34:48that if they do not get money,
34:50then they are unpopular.
34:52We are saying that
34:54if we want to move forward,
34:56we need fresh elections.
34:58We need fresh elections.
35:00We have a rule that
35:02there has been an intermediate theft.
35:04Did you ever go to the extent
35:06that you did not give money to the IMF?
35:08It was not just about the RTS.
35:10If you talk about RTS,
35:12you should take a look at the transmission
35:14and the polls.
35:16Before the RTS,
35:18the PTI seats were 124 or 126.
35:20After the RTS,
35:22the PTI seats have become 116.
35:24We lost seats.
35:26These are facts.
35:28I swear they are.
35:30Look at it.
35:32There is no comparison.
35:34We did not lose in 2018.
35:36I did not lose in 2018.
35:38I can tell you what happened.
35:40What happened in 2024,
35:42you are a witness.
35:44I am a Karachi witness.
35:46I said nothing happened in 2024.
35:48Even in 2018,
35:50nothing happened.
35:52The polls predicted
35:54that the PTI
35:56was the popular party.
35:58Even in 2018.
36:00In 2024,
36:02one party got only 17 seats.
36:04Today, they have formed a government.
36:06The party that got 24 seats,
36:08their president is in jail.
36:10The party that got 180 seats,
36:12their leader is in jail.
36:14All their leaders are in jail.
36:16These are bogus cases.
36:18These are false statements
36:20These are false statements
36:22in closed courts,
36:24in closed rooms.
36:26Judgments are given.
36:28The arguments of defense
36:30are dismissed.
36:32They are not even part of the record
36:34or order half the time.
36:36I want to add something to this.
36:38Before that,
36:40I want to tell you something.
36:42If there is a notification,
36:44please send it to me.
36:46There is a notification.
36:48Mr. Malik and Mr. Afnaan,
36:50thank you.
36:52The case of Islamabad High Court,
36:54I want to understand
36:56why it is a permanent case.
36:58Mr. Malik has been made
37:00the Chief Justice.
37:02Mr. Justice Sarfaraz Dugar.
37:04Mr. Mohsin Akhtar Kiani
37:06was the Senior Peonate Judge.
37:08Mr. Amir Farooq,
37:10who was the Chief Justice,
37:12went to the Supreme Court.
37:14Mr. Mohsin was the Senior Mosul Judge.
37:16Mr. Sarfaraz was the Senior Peonate Judge.
37:18A few moments ago,
37:20this notification came.
37:22According to this,
37:24Mr. Mohsin Akhtar was not the Senior Peonate Judge,
37:26but Justice Sarfaraz Dugar was.
37:28Mr. Sarfaraz Dugar was the Judge
37:30of my Tribunal.
37:32Which Tribunal?
37:34That Tribunal.
37:36Okay.
37:38He came from Lahore High Court.
37:40His seniority in Lahore High Court
37:42was at 15th position.
37:44But here he is at 2nd position.
37:46I don't know how.
37:48Because it is a transfer.
37:50You get extra points.
37:52You get extra points.
37:54I am a legal expert.
37:56You get extra points.
37:58Article 200, Article 194.
38:00These are just articles.
38:02Aayin is
38:04an additional reading
38:06of the coursework.
38:08Aayin-e-Pakistan is an additional reading.
38:10It is not compulsory.
38:12I will first ask Mr. Malik
38:14about this development.
38:16And then I will...
38:18Is Raja Mohsin with us?
38:20Is the Court Correspondent with us?
38:22Mr. Mohsin, can you tell us
38:24what is written in the notification?
38:26Mr. Sarfaraz Dugar will be
38:28the permanent Chief Justice.
38:30I want to understand
38:32if he is not permanent
38:34for a few days or weeks.
38:36The permanent Chief Justice
38:38of Islamabad High Court
38:40will be appointed
38:42as the Chief Justice
38:44of Islamabad High Court.
38:46Justice Sarfaraz Dugar
38:48is one of the judges
38:50who was transferred
38:52to Islamabad High Court.
38:54A representation
38:56was also sent
38:58from the judges
39:00of Islamabad High Court
39:02to the Chief Justice
39:04of Islamabad High Court,
39:06Justice Ahmed Dugar.
39:08Justice Ahmed Dugar
39:10will be appointed
39:12as the Chief Justice
39:14of Islamabad High Court.
39:16It is written in the notification
39:18that he will be the
39:20Acting Chief Justice
39:22of Islamabad High Court.
39:24When will he be appointed
39:26as the Acting Chief Justice?
39:28He will be appointed
39:30as the Acting Chief Justice
39:32until the appointment
39:34of the regular Chief Justice.
39:36When will the appointment
39:38of the regular Chief Justice take place?
39:40The Chief Justice of Pakistan
39:42met with the journalists
39:44the other day.
39:46He said about the Chief Justice
39:48of Islamabad High Court
39:50that the Judicial Commission
39:52of Pakistan will consider
39:54this matter.
39:56Justice Gul Hasan Aurangzeb
39:58who was appointed
40:00as the permanent judge
40:02in the Supreme Court of Pakistan
40:04will also be included
40:06in the regular
40:08Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
40:10When the appointment
40:12of the regular Chief Justice
40:14will take place,
40:16he will also be considered.
40:18The Judicial Commission
40:20of Pakistan can be called
40:22in the coming days.
40:24However,
40:26since the permanent judge
40:28has been appointed
40:30by Justice Gul Hasan Aurangzeb
40:32it is also possible
40:34that the regular Chief Justice
40:36will also be appointed
40:38after the Judicial Committee
40:40hearing.
40:44Sir, it is also possible
40:46that you and I can also be appointed
40:48in this country.
40:50None of us are disappointed.
40:52It was the obvious conclusion
40:54that who was the purpose
40:56of this fair?
40:58The biggest strength
41:00of any court
41:02is its moral authority.
41:04Courts do not have
41:06police force like others.
41:08They have moral authority.
41:10Moral authority
41:12reaches its peak
41:14when you needlessly
41:16make it controversial.
41:18There are five judges
41:20represented on this issue.
41:22Four judges have given
41:24their viewpoints in the Supreme Court.
41:26They said that
41:28they have given their mind
41:30and that the transfer
41:32and seniority
41:34should not be mixed.
41:36So, everybody knows
41:38what has happened.
41:40But,
41:42unfortunately,
41:44there is criminal silence.
41:46Our problem is that
41:48all our people
41:50are in power
41:52and they are aware
41:54of the long-term consequences
41:56of their actions.
41:58Everyone is concerned
42:00about their immediate future
42:02and their career.
42:04Without realizing
42:06the long-term damages
42:08that will befall this country.
42:10You have made everything
42:12needless controversial.
42:14Elevation of judges
42:16from High Court to Supreme Court.
42:18There was no need for this.
42:20Whether it is right or wrong,
42:22PTI has succeeded
42:24in selling the perception
42:26that court packing is happening.
42:28Four Chief Justices
42:30should have come to the Supreme Court.
42:32Two senior judges have come
42:34but the court packing has stopped.
42:36Because, sometimes you do
42:38the right thing the wrong way
42:40and you face the consequences.
42:42I would like to conclude
42:44that there is a conflict
42:46between four parties in our country.
42:48One is Judiciary,
42:50one is Imran Khan PTI
42:52and one is the establishment.
42:54Judiciary doesn't have to talk to anyone.
42:56That is the nature of their operations.
42:58Government doesn't want to talk to anyone
43:00because they are the children of conflict.
43:02Imran and the establishment
43:04are in conflict and they are alive.
43:06Two people have to talk to each other.
43:08When they do so,
43:10mistrust will be reduced
43:12and the matter will move forward.
43:14Otherwise, all these sideshows will continue.
43:16The system will be destroyed.
43:18You will hear negative things
43:20like mega-trends, economic
43:22and so on.
43:24But, when you synthesize them,
43:26you will see that nothing has changed.
43:28So, that is the real problem.
43:30I will take a closing from you
43:32and then from Mr. Afnan.
43:34Mr. Afnan, we had a fresh news
43:36and we have discussed a lot.
43:38You will conclude
43:40that you feel
43:42that the worst is over
43:44instability
43:46that was supposed to happen
43:48has happened.
43:50PTI has done what it was supposed to do.
43:52Now, things are under control.
43:54Economic conditions are improving.
43:56So, the worst is over for the government
43:58and it is yet to come.
44:00Mr. Afnan.
44:02I feel that
44:04it is difficult to forecast
44:06in political matters accurately.
44:08But, I feel that
44:10the options that
44:12Mr. Imran Khan has
44:14of destabilizing the government
44:16have been used.
44:18But, obviously,
44:20I cannot do anything
44:22to stop him
44:24from doing something new
44:26to harm the country.
44:28I cannot rule out that.
44:30But, I feel that by and large,
44:32the worst is over.
44:34Okay, it is over.
44:36Sweet.
44:38There is an innocent comment on this.
44:40He said, sweet.
44:42Afnan,
44:44Afnan is our favorite.
44:46His father was a great man.
44:48He was our friend.
44:50He was a great man.
44:52I would like to give him some advice.
44:54He also said
44:56that Ameen Gandapur
44:58has earned
45:00100 billion.
45:02So, brother,
45:04be careful.
45:06You have brought PECA.
45:08You know that you are in trouble
45:10and I would advise you to be careful.
45:12Okay, let's reduce the amount.
45:14Or, let's give him 100 billion.
45:16He keeps coming back to us.
45:18Let's tolerate him.
45:20He is so innocent.
45:22He is innocent and sweet.
45:24His comment and analysis
45:26is rather sweet.
45:28No, no, you can comment.
45:30Look, the point is
45:32that we should understand
45:34the sensitivity of some things.
45:36Let's move on.
45:38Mr. Badami, let's move on from that.
45:40What Mr. Malik was saying
45:42and what I said in the beginning of the show,
45:44the distortions that are being created
45:46in your system,
45:48which are being created because
45:50an election was stolen
45:52in a very stupid way.
45:54It was done in a clumsy way.
45:56Every child is a witness.
45:58It was discussed in every country.
46:00To cover that,
46:02you are creating distortions
46:04on distortions.
46:06You are making mistakes.
46:08You are not correcting them.
46:10You are not ready to accept your mistakes.
46:12You are making six more mistakes
46:14to correct one mistake.
46:16This will not improve the situation.
46:18If Mr. Afnaan thinks
46:20that the worst is over,
46:22he is sweetly and sadly mistaken.
46:24Because,
46:26in this pressure cooker,
46:28there is no valve.
46:30There is no release valve.
46:32This pressure cooker,
46:34there is still time.
46:36Everyone should take two steps back.
46:38If this pressure cooker explodes,
46:40If this pressure cooker explodes,
46:42if this pressure cooker explodes,
46:44then neither will they have anything
46:46nor will we have anything.
46:48No one will be able to control it.
46:50The way you are
46:52taking away every institution,
46:54every judiciary,
46:56every hope from this country,
46:58people will react.
47:00May God not let that kind of reaction happen.
47:02It is better
47:04that everyone sits together,
47:06accepts their mistakes,
47:08corrects them,
47:10and does not take this system
47:12to further destruction.
47:14Because the damage so far is irreparable.
47:16The Turkish president has also come to Pakistan.
47:18This is a good thing.
47:20Your fundamental defects
47:22in your system,
47:24whether it is the Turkish president
47:26or the Chinese president,
47:28will not be fixed.
47:30Everyone has to correct their mistakes.
47:32Everyone has to correct their mistakes.
47:34Everyone has to correct their mistakes.
47:36If we do not accept our mistakes,
47:38then how will things move forward?
47:40If we do not accept our mistakes,
47:42then how will things move forward?
47:44If we do not accept our mistakes,
47:46then how will things move forward?
47:48If we do not accept our mistakes,
47:50then how will things move forward?
47:52Let's see what happens.
47:54Let's see what happens.
47:56Let's see what happens.
47:58May God bless you.
48:00May God bless you.